| Do you notice what shoes people are wearing? |
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16% |
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20% |
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16% |
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37% |
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| Raziell |
 Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:45 am Post subject: Do you pay attention to peoples shoes? |
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After a very heated debate among friends i figured id make a poll about it online.
My points were:
- It doesent make any sense to remember or even care what shoes people wear.
- Only hardcore fashion people would need a practical reason to notice other peoples shoes.
I cant agree with my friends saying "You can know how rich people are by looking at their shoes" because what if someone goes for comfort? Also "Shoes look cool"? Personally ive only ever cared about how GOOD and comfy they are myself because ive always been thinking "who the hell pays attention to peoples shoes anyway?"
So what is your stance on peoples footwear, do you notice what shoes people wear?
Note: This post isnt about what shoes people like to wear, fashion etc. but feel free to share. But on the poll please just keep in mind if you NOTICE peoples shoes or not.
PS: Not sure how writing this on a science forum will turn out but oh well 
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| marnixR |
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what are shoes ?
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| drowsy turtle |
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| marnixR wrote: |
| what are shoes ? |
I believe it's a kind of sweet pastry.
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| marnixR |
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in which case, i've never had the pleasure of eating any
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| KALSTER |
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Apparently they have to be boiled a long time to be edible and I know of at least one case of a family actually living in one. 
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| KALSTER wrote: |
| ... I know of at least one case of a family actually living in one. |
why should you want to live in a boiled shoe ? why not eat it (assuming it is edible) ?
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| Ophiolite |
| Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:54 am Post subject: Re: Do you pay attention to peoples shoes? |
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| Raziell wrote: |
- It doesent make any sense to remember or even care what shoes people wear.
So what is your stance on peoples footwear, do you notice what shoes people wear?
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Clearly you are not in business. The quality and condition of people's shoes yields enormous insight into their character and professionalism. It doesn't matter if you do not wish it to be this way - it is that way. So, yes, in a business setting I place enormous importance on the shoes worn by clients, colleagues, prospective employees and salespersons.
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| marnixR |
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pay particular attention to the degree of wear on the soles of shoes - that will tell them whether you're to be considered worthwhile or a beggar
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| Raziell |
| Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: Do you pay attention to peoples shoes? |
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| Ophiolite wrote: |
| Raziell wrote: |
- It doesent make any sense to remember or even care what shoes people wear.
So what is your stance on peoples footwear, do you notice what shoes people wear?
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Clearly you are not in business. The quality and condition of people's shoes yields enormous insight into their character and professionalism. It doesn't matter if you do not wish it to be this way - it is that way. So, yes, in a business setting I place enormous importance on the shoes worn by clients, colleagues, prospective employees and salespersons. |
But clothes should give the biggest impression/impact here? Are you saying if a guy with a great resumè wants a job in your firm and wears an expensive suit but 10$ shoes that would affect your desicion to hire or not him for example?
Personality and skillset is one thing but shoes? I know this is serious in the businessworld and considering that people this high up in the economy ladder are very materialistic, id never thought theyd be that shallow. (ofcourse i dont expect a lawyer to wear worn jogging shoes either or anything that extreme)
Cant say im not biased here as i can honestly not remember the shoes of a single person other than myself.
Is it really so bad that a guy high up in the businessworld can take a look at your shoes and say what you earn in a year?
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| Ophiolite |
| Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:37 am Post subject: Re: Do you pay attention to peoples shoes? |
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| Raziell wrote: |
| But clothes should give the biggest impression/impact here? Are you saying if a guy with a great resumè wants a job in your firm and wears an expensive suit but 10$ shoes that would affect your desicion to hire or not him for example? |
Of course it would affect my decision. Several points to consider: firstly, screw the resume. All that di was get him the interview. I'm hiring a person not a resume. Can he walk the talk? That's the question.
So he has an expensive suit, but crap shoes. What does that tell me? For one thing it lets me know he doesn't apply consistent standards. I know that if he has written a proposal for a client I shall have to check it from front to back to find where he has left in the equivalent of $10.00 shoes.
Secondly, you seem fixated on price. I am talking finish. Well polished, unscuffed $45 shoes get a plus vote, scruffy, mud coated $800 shoes get a no vote.
The interview is important to the inteviewee and the company. Turning up in scruffy shoes or any other careless element of clothing is disrespectful. There is an accepted formula to be followed in interview situations. Sloppiness says the interviewee does not understand that formula. It raises the question, how much about the rest of the unwritten laws of business does he or she not understand. Are we going to have to invest six months in educating them to the basics?
Let's say I am interviewing people for a programmers position. The individual will never see a client. They will rarely see any other member of staff. Here are two scenarios. Two guys turn up in each. In scenario one Mr. A demonstrates that he has experinece of exactly the kind we want. He shows genuine interest. He has good qualifications. His dress sense is, however, lamentable. Mr. B, has limited qualifications, Has never done the precise kind of work we plan and seems slightly vague about his interest in the job. However he is neatly groomed, smartly dressed and his shoes carry a high polish. I hire Mr. A without a moments hesitation.
In scenario two Mr. A is exactly the same as in one, but Mr. B has the same educational qualifications, the same interest in the job and the same kind of experience as Mr.A. The only distinguishing feature is that he has made a real effort to conform to corporate standards in dress and shoes. I'm pretty sure he will revert sneakers and T-shirts if we hire him, but I also know if I have to parade him in front of top brass to present something that he will dress for the occasion. I hire Mr. B. Not because he has polished shoes, but because he has everything the other candidate had and polished shoes.
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| KALSTER |
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| because he has everything the other candidate had and polished shoes. |
How about suede? 
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polished shoes for polished minds
suede shoes for ... whatever
still i think the fixation with shoes, common though it may be in recruitment circles, is a fixation too far
it reminds me of the top bloke from British Airways who couldn't take Richard Branson seriously because he wasn't wearing a tie - now there may be several reasons for not taking Richard Branson seriously, but not wearing a tie shouldn't be one of them
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| i_feel_tiredsleepy |
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I don't necessarily judge a person based on their shoes, but I always check out the shoes.
When I see someone who has nice shoes, I usually have a desire to steal their shoes for myself.
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| Ophiolite |
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| KALSTER wrote: |
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How about suede? |
They would find it difficult to persuede me to hire them. 
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