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marnixR
Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:44 pm    Post subject: the crackpot forum Reply with quote

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despite its title of the science forum, we're seeing more and more loonies posting here, making the forum groan under the weight of assertions that are at best tangential to science

have the moderators lost interest and given up moderating ?
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:51 am    Post subject: Re: the crackpot forum Reply with quote

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marnixR wrote:
despite its title of the science forum, we're seeing more and more loonies posting here, making the forum groan under the weight of assertions that are at best tangential to science

have the moderators lost interest and given up moderating ?


I believe so, but I don't believe it is my fault.
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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here's the last time each of the mods has made an on-line contribution :

HomoUniversalis : 22/08/2007
Coffee : 23/9/2005
Jacques.X : 5/1/2007
Megabrain : 23/8/2007
Ophiolite : 22/8/2007
Pendragon : 8/7/2007
SkinWalker : 20/8/2007

does that mean this forum has gone unmoderated for nearly 2 weeks ?
sigh ... surprising that the loonies haven't completely run away with it
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I hope there are lots of them, and they start posting more and more until it's okay to have a weird thought and not be insulted about it by some holier than thou science major who only believes in things s/he can stick in his/her beaker. This shouldn't be the Science forum, it should be the Scientist forum, because if your interested in science and come here without a formal education in science, you just get ripped to shreds anyway. Adios Scientist forum.
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sometimes I think this way too, but on the other hand the amount of traffic on this site is not overwhelming. It is quite possible to pick and choose which threads to open or not. Science discussions may be held in parallel with the insanity, if you are able to ignore it.
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I just started new course load and a new position at my job, so I've been a little distracted lately. I'll try to take a look at what's going on this week.

In the mean time, if you have a few threads that need specific attention, post their links or titles here and I'll give them priority. It'll make it easier to locate the main problems.

Also, if you PM me, I get an instant email and can focus directly on the problem you see. Going through each active thread can take time and I invariably end up skimming them and missing something anyway.

Sorry for the inattention, guys...

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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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nothing really to highlight as especially outrageous, just a general impression i got that the ratio of crackpot vs. sound threads is tipping in the wrong direction - as a result i find that fewer and fewer threads are even worth taking part in

Amaya, if you have an issue with the way weird thoughts are treated i'd suggest you bring it to the attention of the moderators - after all, they're supposed to set the tone of the forum
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Amaya wrote:
if your interested in science and come here without a formal education in science, you just get ripped to shreds anyway. Adios Scientist forum.


Why let it bother you? Nobody knows who you are. That science major could be as phoney as a search for Bin Laden. I try not to let criticism upset me, Lord knows I've authored more than one dumb thread or post. If I've learned anything in life is that there are 2 kinds of smarts.

The first one is strict memorization and those endowed with this particular gift can't wait to tell you what they've remembered, occasionally acting a might smug about it.

The second one continuously learns and applies knowledge by hard work, determination and a willingness to ask questions without fear of being embarassed. For the most part they exhibit a willingness to share information. Is there a better way to learn than by making a mistake?

If you don't like being insulted then fire back harshly. If you prefer to be subtle then sarcasm works great. You can always ignore, not that I favor that approach. There's no evidence or proof that any one of the so called science experts are who they say they are. Anonymity can make anybody great. Lighten up or get lit up.
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've been a bit lapse around here as well. Trying to balance family life with work and sidelines is proving rather a time consumer. It feels so often like I just get up go to work and get up and go to work again. I know I'm sure not alone in that feeling. I just really appreciate that there are those that do find spare moments to help out the forum.

Thanks everything.
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think the forum is doing okay on it's own so far. Moderation hasn't really been required as much as usual. Although there are a few problems I've both brought to moderation attention and noticed myself.

Nothing severe, however. I believe we're okay until people begin spamming senseless topics and threads.
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just make this forum a log on another page and renew this forum with the same idea. Have the cake and eat it so to speak.
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am without a home computer at present, overloaded with work and so rarely able to log on in the office and therefore absent for the last couple of weeks (and not much the couple of weeks before then when I was isolated somewhere south of Moscow!) None of that by way of an excuse, just a statement of the facts.
Frankly I think the forum does pretty well with limited moderation. Remember the golden rule - "Don't Feed the Trolls". In the absence of reaction they will wither up and be blown away.
All that said when I'm here I'll do what I can and I appreciate the several of you who have drawn my attention, by pm. to concering behaviour. That really helps - for one thing its lets me know what annoys you. Smile
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You'd be surprised how many problems you can solve with a PM and a deleted post. If there is a lack of moderators power-playing out there, all the better methinks.

Anyway, if you ever have a problem, feel free to contact the M-team, or me - and I'll take a look at the problem.
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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*stabs the moderation back into hiding*

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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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People putting cryptic and meaningless titles to get people to click on their woo-wooism, bugs me. Also when people dont post a summary, but just links or a full page spread that doesnt tell you the whacked out point until you've wasted 10 minutes of your life( particularly annoying when posted after your post, as an argument to your point).
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