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    I see members that just joined, with zero posts, doing private messaging. They are probably just viewing some sort of welcome PM that is generated by the site software -- can't remember if I got one. But what if they are PMing a buddy -- a not very nice buddy. I believe that none of the admins or mods can view PMs by members -- don't know if that is true or not. But if it is true, then couldn't terrorists from all over the world keep in touch with each other via this site? Or any other site with similar software and protocols. No one here would know. And if the government was keeping track, they might see it as comms on a benign website -- a science forum that's been around for years.

    Just thinking outside the box a bit -- maybe too far outside.

    Maybe an admin/site owner could chime in and tell me that this can't happen. Or anyone else can tell me why this is a dumb idea. Either way it will set my mind at ease and I can go back to contemplating geologic time.

    (Maybe NSA can view PMs, no matter what site it is.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
    I see members that just joined, with zero posts, doing private messaging. They are probably just viewing some sort of welcome PM that is generated by the site software -- can't remember if I got one. But what if they are PMing a buddy -- a not very nice buddy. I believe that none of the admins or mods can view PMs by members -- don't know if that is true or not. But if it is true, then couldn't terrorists from all over the world keep in touch with each other via this site? Or any other site with similar software and protocols. No one here would know. And if the government was keeping track, they might see it as comms on a benign website -- a science forum that's been around for years.

    Just thinking outside the box a bit -- maybe too far outside.

    Maybe an admin/site owner could chime in and tell me that this can't happen. Or anyone else can tell me why this is a dumb idea. Either way it will set my mind at ease and I can go back to contemplating geologic time.

    (Maybe NSA can view PMs, no matter what site it is.)
    How do you see others doing PMs to each other?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    How do you see others doing PMs to each other?
    I didn't say that they were PMing each other. Just PMing -- I don't know with whom. Viewing who's online shows that a member is executing the PM function. The last selection under "Quick Links".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
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    How do you see others doing PMs to each other?
    I didn't say that they were PMing each other. Just PMing -- I don't know with whom. Viewing who's online shows that a member is executing the PM function. The last selection under "Quick Links".
    There is that astrix like symbol that when hovered says "send emial via ICQ to *****" but none of our regulars have that.
    The middle column "Location" none says PM so what makes you think they are using the PM part?
    "Modifying Profile" so they are more likely just leaving messages through their modified profiles, so what is being changed in their profiles?

    There just seems to be their ICQ number.
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    Robbity, like usual, you've missed the entire point of my thread. What a moron. You're inability to read and comprehend is . . . well, amazing. I am going to put you on ignore. Don't talk to me anymore. Bye.
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    For others. In summary, can the PM function be used to carry on clandestine comms? That's all I'm asking.

    It seems like there should be some reason it isn't a good idea. I really have to believe that the PMs are available for the site owner or admins to look at if necessary. I think the police can ask for this info if needed. If the PMs are available for viewing then that answers my question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
    Robbity, like usual, you've missed the entire point of my thread. What a moron. You're inability to read and comprehend is . . . well, amazing. I am going to put you on ignore. Don't talk to me anymore. Bye.
    You are teaching me about looking into this area of the forum. OK so I might have missed what you are trying to tell me, but that happens mate. You don't need to get all shitty about it.
    PMing could mean PMing other forum members, they can't PM outsiders other than through those ICQ numbers or private email, so if they are contacting outsiders they are doing that via ICQ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    You are teaching me about looking into this area of the forum. OK so I might have missed what you are trying to tell me, but that happens mate. You don't need to get all shitty about it.
    Sadly, I think he does because you've shown a complete ability to ignore polite requests. It's your one true superpower. Yes "that happens" to all, but it happens to you far too frequently because you post constantly about anything and everything. The concept of quiet contemplation is apparently foreign to you. Every thought in your head needs to be expressed immediately, without filtering, without reading preceding posts. That, in my view, is an incredibly rude way to proceed, for it puts the burden on everyone else to deal with a rampaging verbose bull in the china shop.

    In the moderator thread, you've been asked to still your tongue at least twice. Doesn't that make you stop and think a bit?

    Apparently not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tk421 View Post
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    You are teaching me about looking into this area of the forum. OK so I might have missed what you are trying to tell me, but that happens mate. You don't need to get all shitty about it.
    Sadly, I think he does because you've shown a complete ability to ignore polite requests. It's your one true superpower. Yes "that happens" to all, but it happens to you far too frequently because you post constantly about anything and everything. The concept of quiet contemplation is apparently foreign to you. Every thought in your head needs to be expressed immediately, without filtering, without reading preceding posts. That, in my view, is an incredibly rude way to proceed, for it puts the burden on everyone else to deal with a rampaging verbose bull in the china shop.

    In the moderator thread, you've been asked to still your tongue at least twice. Doesn't that make you stop and think a bit?

    Apparently not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
    For others. In summary, can the PM function be used to carry on clandestine comms? That's all I'm asking.
    to be honest, i don't really know, but i don't see why it couldn't
    maybe Harold has sufficient access to shed more light on this, but i'm not sure if anyone can see the content of a PM

    i know that as an admin on other sites i couldn't - you would have to delve into the database to found out
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    Reported.
    Likewise.

    Bob,
    take a look at the thread title: "Could a site like this be used by terrorists to communicate with each other?" It is an interesting thought, something that had never occurred to me before, and yet sounds entirely plausible. Yet we now have eight out of ten posts on the thread that are either from you, or about your inability to understand what is being said. There are many threads throughout the forum that show comparable results.

    tk421 has, accurately, identified two issues that - if you have concern for this forum - you should be heeding and doing something about.

    1. There are numerous occasions when you either misread, or completely ignore what has been written. It may that you are dyslexic, or have some other reading difficulty. That being the case you should realise that you need to take extra care - yet you do not. The alternative is that you are just extremely careless on an ongoing basis.

    2. The disruption that you create in thread after thread is rude. I am embarrassed at taking this thread off topic, to the extent that I have considered reporting my own post as soon as I have made it. You, in contrast, blithely sail through thread after thread making thoughtless and careless posts.

    If you have any sense of responsibility towards other members please read and re-read what others write. Make sure you fully understand. Then, if you must respond, read and re-read your post. Think long and hard as to whether it is a valid contribution to the thread. Ask yourself if it is on topic. Just start behaving responsibly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
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    Reported.
    Likewise.

    Bob,
    take a look at the thread title: "Could a site like this be used by terrorists to communicate with each other?" It is an interesting thought, something that had never occurred to me before, and yet sounds entirely plausible. Yet we now have eight out of ten posts on the thread that are either from you, or about your inability to understand what is being said. There are many threads throughout the forum that show comparable results.

    tk421 has, accurately, identified two issues that - if you have concern for this forum - you should be heeding and doing something about.

    1. There are numerous occasions when you either misread, or completely ignore what has been written. It may that you are dyslexic, or have some other reading difficulty. That being the case you should realise that you need to take extra care - yet you do not. The alternative is that you are just extremely careless on an ongoing basis.

    2. The disruption that you create in thread after thread is rude. I am embarrassed at taking this thread off topic, to the extent that I have considered reporting my own post as soon as I have made it. You, in contrast, blithely sail through thread after thread making thoughtless and careless posts.

    If you have any sense of responsibility towards other members please read and re-read what others write. Make sure you fully understand. Then, if you must respond, read and re-read your post. Think long and hard as to whether it is a valid contribution to the thread. Ask yourself if it is on topic. Just start behaving responsibly.
    I asked Chuck how he could tell what members were doing, and I went to have a look, but it still wasn't clear what he was talking about, so I described what I could see. I think at that stage he lost his patience with me quite unnecessary.
    He didn't need to call me a moron.
    They weren't thoughtless, but were made from a point of newness to looking at the working of that link.

    TK421 can just butt out. I'm sick of his interference, parading as a moderator when he is not.

    Thanks for caring John, I've just had a very frustrating day.
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    Chuck, like Marnix I do not think any staff members can look at pms. However, I do not know if all admins are equal. e.g. does the site owner have access to powers that Harold does not?

    Equally, very few owners or admins are going to have any interest in looking at someones pms. Of the very small number who might be interested many may be able to restrain that interest. I think the idea is sufficiently plausible that I will certainly include it in the novel about terrorism I am writing. If it ever gets finished and published I shall send you a copy.
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    A site like this, yes it's not a bad medium. However it is so easy to have your very own private forum, even free, I reckon they'd go that route. Gaming clans of like six teenage boys have their own forums. NSA will do no better either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Chuck, like Marnix I do not think any staff members can look at pms. However, I do not know if all admins are equal. e.g. does the site owner have access to powers that Harold does not?
    Kalster and I are a lesser sort of administrator than "admin" with just a few extra powers above a moderator. I don't know what admin is able to do. I don't think I have a way to look at pms.

    Would this be any different than if the terrorists communicated by email?
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    Any forum, facebook, or any medium of that or any other kind can be used to send messages. Of course it would not be different than if terrorists communicated by email.

    Could the authorities monitor this site, or any other site? Perhaps. Could they formally and legally request this information? Perhaps. That would of course come down to where the owners are based and this site is registered and based.

    Is it possible for illegal activity to occur in PM's? Certainly, as well as it could occur via emails and the like. It's just something that can happen. Whether it does or not is completely outside of our knowledge and control.

    Only the administrators or the owners could answer that question. Harold has given the extent of what is available to him as an administrator and it is possible that those higher up than he and Kalster are able to view PM's.

    It's just one of these things, I guess. I don't even think about it. I don't know whether to be glad or sad that the knowledge that it could be does not bother me as much nowdays as it used to. Well, does not bother in the way that I don't even think about it. It doesn't enter my mind. Then again, in the past, I guarded my privacy and anything about me, where I lived, my email address and all other contact or identifying details so vividly, that it became a sort of an obsession. With good reason. But I broke away from those shackles now. Does it bother me that the authorities could be listening in? Sure. But does it really? Well, I'm not doing anything wrong, so really, who cares? Bomb bomb bomb bomb.. Have at it!

    Without reason or cause for concern, it probably won't happen. And I would imagine if some dodgy character made themselves known here or the moderators and administrators noticed something untoward or that skirted the law, they would act on it immediately and I am sure if that means giving the authorities details of something that happened here and possibly email addresses and the like, then so be it. Perhaps deal with it when the time comes and act in a rational manner.

    In the meantime, to answer the OP, probably yes. But that's something that everyone knows if you post on the internet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    Would this be any different than if the terrorists communicated by email?
    I think e-mails would be a slightly more obvious way to conduct clandestine communication. Probably not very safe since they are so easily intercepted and traced. However, since most boards require you to create an e-mail address to confirm your account, I'm not sure PMing would be any safer.
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    on the other hand, any agency with the capability to intercept and read emails would surely be capable of delving into forum PMs if they felt so inclined
    it probably would happen in a way so that even the database owner might not be aware of it - say if the request for access was sent to whoever hosts the server
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    Quote Originally Posted by tk421 View Post
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    You are teaching me about looking into this area of the forum. OK so I might have missed what you are trying to tell me, but that happens mate. You don't need to get all shitty about it.
    Sadly, I think he does because you've shown a complete ability to ignore polite requests. It's your one true superpower. Yes "that happens" to all, but it happens to you far too frequently because you post constantly about anything and everything. The concept of quiet contemplation is apparently foreign to you. Every thought in your head needs to be expressed immediately, without filtering, without reading preceding posts. That, in my view, is an incredibly rude way to proceed, for it puts the burden on everyone else to deal with a rampaging verbose bull in the china shop.

    In the moderator thread, you've been asked to still your tongue at least twice. Doesn't that make you stop and think a bit?

    Apparently not.
    I really don't like to use ad homs but damn, he just won't read. I really think he has a reading/comprehension problem along with the woo he espouses. Great attributes for a moderator of a science forum, huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
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    Reported.
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    Bob,
    take a look at the thread title: "Could a site like this be used by terrorists to communicate with each other?" It is an interesting thought, something that had never occurred to me before, and yet sounds entirely plausible. Yet we now have eight out of ten posts on the thread that are either from you, or about your inability to understand what is being said. There are many threads throughout the forum that show comparable results.

    tk421 has, accurately, identified two issues that - if you have concern for this forum - you should be heeding and doing something about.

    1. There are numerous occasions when you either misread, or completely ignore what has been written. It may that you are dyslexic, or have some other reading difficulty. That being the case you should realise that you need to take extra care - yet you do not. The alternative is that you are just extremely careless on an ongoing basis.

    2. The disruption that you create in thread after thread is rude. I am embarrassed at taking this thread off topic, to the extent that I have considered reporting my own post as soon as I have made it. You, in contrast, blithely sail through thread after thread making thoughtless and careless posts.

    If you have any sense of responsibility towards other members please read and re-read what others write. Make sure you fully understand. Then, if you must respond, read and re-read your post. Think long and hard as to whether it is a valid contribution to the thread. Ask yourself if it is on topic. Just start behaving responsibly.
    His posts are rude -- thank you John for stating that. Every thread that he participates in (and I mean EVERY thread) degenerates into chaos because of his inane posting style. Instead of being nominated for a moderator chair, he should be banned.

    The people that nominated Robbity for moderator should also be banned. (Just kidding. )
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    I just checked the "who's on line" for a few of the "bot" type members (we have thousands of such members - why, I don't know.) If I hover over the green starburst icon for agrgorasjunioray8479 for example, it says "send a message via ICQ to agrgorasjunioray8479" so I think the green starburst just means that person has an ICQ account which you can use to send him a message. Is this what you are referring to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    I think the idea is sufficiently plausible that I will certainly include it in the novel about terrorism I am writing. If it ever gets finished and published I shall send you a copy.
    Please do. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong View Post
    A site like this, yes it's not a bad medium. However it is so easy to have your very own private forum, even free, I reckon they'd go that route. Gaming clans of like six teenage boys have their own forums. NSA will do no better either way.
    I think a brand new private forum with 6-8 members might shout "terrorist cell!". Whereas an old established forum with thousands of members may be the perfect "haystack" in which those needles could hide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    I just checked the "who's on line" for a few of the "bot" type members (we have thousands of such members - why, I don't know.) If I hover over the green starburst icon for agrgorasjunioray8479 for example, it says "send a message via ICQ to agrgorasjunioray8479" so I think the green starburst just means that person has an ICQ account which you can use to send him a message. Is this what you are referring to?
    No. The site PM function. (You're not teasing me with Robbity stuff, are you? )

    Under the "Location" header it will state "Private messaging" when a member is accessing that function -- reading a PM or writing a PM or just looking at the list of PMs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
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    Chuck, like Marnix I do not think any staff members can look at pms. However, I do not know if all admins are equal. e.g. does the site owner have access to powers that Harold does not?
    Kalster and I are a lesser sort of administrator than "admin" with just a few extra powers above a moderator. I don't know what admin is able to do. I don't think I have a way to look at pms.

    Would this be any different than if the terrorists communicated by email?
    Probably not. But e-mails are probably more obvious whereas with PMs on a large site, the handful of wolves could hide amongst the thousands of sheep. (Not me of course, I'm no sheeple. ). And a science forum may be an unlikely place for the authorities to look.
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    Not teasing. I really don't know what you are looking at. Site PM?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
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    Would this be any different than if the terrorists communicated by email?
    I think e-mails would be a slightly more obvious way to conduct clandestine communication. Probably not very safe since they are so easily intercepted and traced. However, since most boards require you to create an e-mail address to confirm your account, I'm not sure PMing would be any safer.
    Well, the bad boys wouldn't be using their e-mail addresses to communicate with each other. And you know how easy it is to get an e-mail address out there . . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    Not teasing. I really don't know what you are looking at. Site PM?
    Under "Who's Online" and then under the "Location" header the text "Private messaging" will be seen for any member that is currently using the PM function of this forum. Occasionally I see brand new members using the PM function of this forum and they have no posts -- please look at the OP.
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    My concern is predicated on what mods/admins have stated over the years on this site and others: They can't read PMs. If that isn't true then the answer to my OP question is "No. Using PMs would not be any better than using e-mails."

    But another possibility is the the one-post wonder thread where the English is bad and everyone just says "Huh?". This one post could have clandestine info encoded within it. How about that for far-fetched?
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    @Harold. Here is a snippet from "Who's Online". Look at my user ID:

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    babe 05:36 AM Viewing Index The Science Forum
    Beer w/Straw 06:45 AM Viewing Index The Science Forum
    carpinteyrotlu 05:21 AM Modifying Profile
    Chucknorium 07:18 AM Private Messaging
    Cibejerlelm 05:40 AM Modifying Profile
    cosmictraveler 07:16 AM Viewing Thread Stephen Hawking Says 'There Is No God'


    After entering the "Who's Online" page I would have to refresh or reenter the "Who's Online" page in order for my status to change to "Viewing who's online". "Private messaging" was the very last thing I was doing before clicking on the "Who's Online" selection.
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    I really have no idea how forum PM's might be used in various covert activity, but it did remind me of this;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
    @Harold. Here is a snippet from "Who's Online". Look at my user ID:

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    Beer w/Straw 06:45 AM Viewing Index The Science Forum
    carpinteyrotlu 05:21 AM Modifying Profile
    Chucknorium 07:18 AM Private Messaging
    Cibejerlelm 05:40 AM Modifying Profile
    cosmictraveler 07:16 AM Viewing Thread Stephen Hawking Says 'There Is No God'


    After entering the "Who's Online" page I would have to refresh or reenter the "Who's Online" page in order for my status to change to "Viewing who's online". "Private messaging" was the very last thing I was doing before clicking on the "Who's Online" selection.
    Okay, I get it/
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    But if it is true, then couldn't terrorists from all over the world keep in touch with each other via this site?
    Yes, but then they would caught up in some argument about free will or climate change and never get any terrorizing done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DianeG View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
    But if it is true, then couldn't terrorists from all over the world keep in touch with each other via this site?
    Yes, but then they would caught up in some argument about free will or climate change and never get any terrorizing done.
    Free will and climate change are pretty terrifying, if you think about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
    But if it is true, then couldn't terrorists from all over the world keep in touch with each other via this site? Or any other site with similar software and protocols. No one here would know. And if the government was keeping track, they might see it as comms on a benign website -- a science forum that's been around for years.
    Sure. But that is true of almost every website out there, from Amazon to Zilla, and is true of any service from POP3 to newsgroups. Anything that allows you to leave comments, send PM's or post messages.

    Of course, the same is true of cellphones, landlines, the mail, and personals in the papers, so neither websites or the Internet is unique in that regard.
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    Totally unrelated: I once saw on ebay a buyer in Lithuania who kept buying second hand camping and caravaning magazines from the same seller, paying exactly 1,000 for each. I tried a few conspiracy theories of my own but couldn't make head nor tail of it in the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zwirko View Post
    Totally unrelated: I once saw on ebay a buyer in Lithuania who kept buying second hand camping and caravaning magazines from the same seller, paying exactly 1,000 for each. I tried a few conspiracy theories of my own but couldn't make head nor tail of it in the end.
    Money laundering. He now has a paper trail for all his money.
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    ~ Wow... just wow ! Through the Hoover years there were 'Reds' under the beds.. Now its terrorist cells and Pvt mails I can only plead the case from where I see it.. Sites like this would not be a good choice for the 'insurgent mouse'.. Only the named receptionist see's the post.
    .. and regardless. I will share what I know.. ( Not think, 'know'.) This medium the internet has many aspects of convenience. That it is almost instant and accessible by all whom want.. That's not a bad thing.. BUT, YOU and I are being watched. Constantly and regardless of the site or content. There IS a computer network watching for words of 'interest' Phrase's or just scanning s of destinations..
    Nobody cares what you said or are saying, but if you use a word of interest your conversation will be 'flagged' You will draw attention.
    If a small group wish to communicate with each other they do not need to come here.. and coming here would not hide them..
    Use 'Facebook' or 'twitter' and somewhere some place your ramblings are seen by a network of computers that watch and do nothing else.. Use the 'wrong' set of words and your 'coms' are now being watched.. If a inference is drawn the conversation is pulled. 'Flagged'
    The PM section of this site is not a good hiding place.. I see that going 'online' in 'Grand theft Auto five' and you are talking in realtime to anyone in that group.. The www is no place to hide.. Do not get bent by these facts. It's for the good of us all..
    ~ and to my friends and RobertyBob.. That he see's things from his own point of view should not make you so angry.. I find him refreshingly different.. Sometimes interesting to ponder his thoughts.. closing the loop. , and yes sometimes a little that..
    ~ That's fine is it not ?
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    During the days of the Boston Marathon attacks one of the major American networks mentioned in passing that there are hundreds of terrorists websites that the perpetrators of that attack could have been using. However, I thought: even for ESL teachers like me there is only one good website and all the others I can count on one hand, and there are thousands of ESL teachers worldwide. We're an obscure lot, but there must be way more of us than terrorists bent on the destruction of the infidels (I mean active and dangerous ones who aren't actually marchng around in Syria and Iraq). And while ESL teachers are not doing anything harmful or clandestine, and thus constantly getting ourselves shut down by the 'democratic' powers that be, this handful of website that we have is more than enough to discuss our business. Similarly with science in all its many disciplines. How many websites with forums does that behemoth have? Is it hundreds and hundreds? How can it be that the terrorists need hundreds of websites, and all they got to show for it is an act of terror every few years? What could they be discussing that requires hundreds of websites? How many threads do they need to discuss thermos bottle bombs and where and when to detonate them? Is it even a good idea to discuss such matters online? Or is it completely freaking stupid?

    So, what I'm thinking -Big Surprise!- is that this 'hundreds of terrorists websites' is more of Uncle Sam's hype and scare tactics to keep the populace frightened and paying for government intelligence and weaponry, and the OP has fallen for such talk hook, line and sinker.

    It must be that terrorists communicate as drug dealers do. They have brief, indirect phone conversations. They arrange meetings (and not like Hollywood criminals who meet in Times Square at noon wearing cool shades and exchanging briefcases, always with a whole entourage tagging along) in private homes and sit and say what they have to say and take all the time they need. They do not put themselves at risk by writing messages coded or otherwise on the World Wide Web. Really now! We may as well imagine a Science Forum PM conversation like this:

    Mohammed: Hey, Abdul dude! My grandma can't pay my monthly internet bill until after the third of the month. No worries though, bro! I'll just shout secret messages from the roof top. And my Uncle Sidik - he's a pilot and has sky-writing equipment!

    Can we ignore this thread now? I know I will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 甘肃人 View Post
    How can it be that the terrorists need hundreds of websites, and all they got to show for it is an act of terror every few years? What could they be discussing that requires hundreds of websites? How many threads do they need to discuss thermos bottle bombs and where and when to detonate them? Is it even a good idea to discuss such matters online? Or is it completely freaking stupid?
    Perhaps you can arrive at a considered set of answers by dipping into a selection of sites identified by this "group":
    Terrorist Websites - courtesy of Public Safety Advocacy
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