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    Where do the dislikes wind up? My profile only shows likes given and received.

    I wish to bring up the list of dislikes granted me to a par with likes! jocular


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    There are no dislikes. Just unlikes to remove a like you gave.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexG View Post
    There are no dislikes. Just unlikes to remove a like you gave.
    What a letdown! So, if folks be pissed-off with ya, they gotta tell it to yer face, no hidden "dislikes"!

    I'll have to live with it. jocular
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
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    There are no dislikes. Just unlikes to remove a like you gave.
    What a letdown! So, if folks be pissed-off with ya, they gotta tell it to yer face, no hidden "dislikes"!

    I'll have to live with it. jocular
    They have to tell you to your face but it's best done in PM or you run the risk of being labeled a trouble maker or a flamer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    Where do the dislikes wind up? My profile only shows likes given and received.

    I wish to bring up the list of dislikes granted me to a par with likes! jocular
    If it makes you feel better please consider yourself to have available a pool of 100 dislikes from me.
    Apply as and when you see fit.
    Let me know if/ when that pool is exhausted.
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    Computerville's foibles continue to enlighten me daily; see, even an old fart, concretely set in his ways, can still learn some new stuff! jocular
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    Where do the dislikes wind up?
    likes go to forum heaven, whereas dislikes go to forum hell - i thought everyone knew that
    i for one would not advocate that this forum should build a highway to hell by making a dislike button available
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    I started a thread about adding a "dislike" button a while back... Ironically not many people liked the idea.
    Maybe because it would be demeaning?

    I think if you dislike, either state your reply or don't reply.

    If you really dislike an individual can't you just put them in ignore?
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    The likes and dislikes are not about the individual, but about the post. Most of the time I vote a like without even being aware who made the post.

    Personally, I am in favour of dislikes. On another forum that I am active on the system works well. There is little abuse and suchas there is turns out to be self correcting. However, the strong balance of opinion among the mod team is that they are a bad idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    If you really dislike an individual can't you just put them in ignore?
    Tsk.
    The like/ dislike isn't for the individual, it's for the post, or should be.
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    I don't know. I get a little excited when I log on after a couple days away and I have some likes. The last thing I want is to log on to a bunch of dislikes. Can't a guy just enjoy a little artificial self-esteem boost once in a while?


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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    I started a thread about adding a "dislike" button a while back... Ironically not many people liked the idea.
    At least none of them disliked it.
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    Another problem with the whole dislike idea is it has the potential to put people off from asking questions or even in some cases from trying to help others. People need to be comfortable that they are able to make mistakes and learn from them, it's surely going to be massively off putting if someone posts something that is not quite right and end up with a permanent record of several dislikes. How many of us would have really wanted to stick around as newish members if that was happening.

    It's could also create a sense of dishonesty where people only ever say what they think would be well received rather than being honest enough to express their true opinions.

    Also it could potentially create more animosity between members if other members names keep popping up on a dislike for a particular member and if it were made anonymous it would seem cowardly and give any member with a grudge free rein to target other members at will.

    Finally we all come on the forum because we enjoy it, now to me that means conversing with people I like and respect but who is going to like or respect other members that not only dislike what we have say but go so far as to make a public record of it, I don't think the forum would be enjoyable for long unless of course you were a masochist or sadist.
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    I wouldn't be able to handle "dislikes".....for I am a delicate flower.:-P
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    Hey you are far to friendly for anyone to dislike
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    Where do the dislikes wind up? My profile only shows likes given and received.

    I wish to bring up the list of dislikes granted me to a par with likes! jocular
    If you want to wear the black hat, you'll just have to try harder. To date, you just don't come across as a hard core, bad-ass ass-hat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    Hey you are far to friendly for anyone to dislike
    Oh, u might be surprised. :-O

    Lol

    TY for the kind post!
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    Where do the dislikes wind up? My profile only shows likes given and received.

    I wish to bring up the list of dislikes granted me to a par with likes! jocular
    If you want to wear the black hat, you'll just have to try harder. To date, you just don't come across as a hard core, bad-ass ass-hat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
    I wouldn't be able to handle "dislikes".....for I am a delicate flower.:-P
    Ditto ...and watching the ole petals droop is rather a bummer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    Another problem with the whole dislike idea is it has the potential to put people off from asking questions or even in some cases from trying to help others. People need to be comfortable that they are able to make mistakes and learn from them, it's surely going to be massively off putting if someone posts something that is not quite right and end up with a permanent record of several dislikes. How many of us would have really wanted to stick around as newish members if that was happening.

    It's could also create a sense of dishonesty where people only ever say what they think would be well received rather than being honest enough to express their true opinions.

    Also it could potentially create more animosity between members if other members names keep popping up on a dislike for a particular member and if it were made anonymous it would seem cowardly and give any member with a grudge free rein to target other members at will.

    Finally we all come on the forum because we enjoy it, now to me that means conversing with people I like and respect but who is going to like or respect other members that not only dislike what we have say but go so far as to make a public record of it, I don't think the forum would be enjoyable for long unless of course you were a masochist or sadist.
    This all sounds reasonable, but is not matched on the one forum where this feaure has been in use for some time. Why? Here are some points.

    1. You are restricted to one dislike per day, but as many likes as you wish. This means that one thinks long and hard before spending ones dislike, so as to ensure ti goes to a deserving member.
    2. Both likes and dislikes are anonymous.
    3. In practice very few members use it in a punitive fashion. Those who do, coincidentally, are the sort of troll, or crank who don't last long anyway. (Anonymity doesn't mean you can't use deduction.)
    4. Members often redress a dislike by applying a like they might not otherwise have rewarded when they think this has been placed out of ignornance or vindictiveness.
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    I could agree with everything except the anonymity. We should all be accountable for what we say here so I don't see why it would behoove us to remain anonymous.

    I kind of think a dislike should require at least a short post as well. I don't care for the notion of someone doing a 'dislike' and run on me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    I could agree with everything except the anonymity. We should all be accountable for what we say here so I don't see why it would behoove us to remain anonymous.

    I kind of think a dislike should require at least a short post as well. I don't care for the notion of someone doing a 'dislike' and run on me.
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    Sounds like he was from southern Indiana. Up here in the civilized parts, our accent is pretty neutral.
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    I lived in Northern Indiana from the age of 10 until 17 and go back regularly because my family is still there. I never noticed any of the idioms that have been mentioned above. While living in Kentucky though I heard lots of stuff like hte aviation fuel one. I think it is more a southern Indiana/Kentucky thing to use idioms like that.

    Although I did just remember that when I first moved to Indiana from Kentucky, I laughed at how the kids would say "warsh" instead of "wash". And a carbonated soft drink was called "pop". In Kentucky all carbonated beverages were called "coke" or "cold drinks"
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    My wife's family is all from the Louisville area. They crack me up. Ask her grandpa how he's doing and it's always, "Oh, fair ta middlin'." One of my favorite phrases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    My wife's family is all from the Louisville area. They crack me up. Ask her grandpa how he's doing and it's always, "Oh, fair ta middlin'." One of my favorite phrases.
    My mom had an expression growing up, an expletive for when something went wrong, "Whale sh!t far!" ....translation: "Well, sh!t fire!"

    I grew up in Crittenend County, Ky to the age of ten when we moved to far Northern Indiana (Kosciusko County) after the coal mines my mom worked in were closed down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    Sounds like he was from southern Indiana. Up here in the civilized parts, our accent is pretty neutral.
    My wife was born in Wolf Lake, way up highway 33, raised and lived until late 20s outside of Churubusco, 10 mi. north of Ft. Wayne. I met her in 'Busco, while working as Plant Engineer for Dana Corp. They had two plants there, a Service Parts Division (SPD) and the Victor Oil Seal Plant, built by the Victor Family before Dana bought them out in 1966. I started with victor in '63, in Chicago, best and happiest at work years of my life.

    So, those weird phrases I heard in Northern Indiana. Hey, no hard feelings intended, after all, we been together 35 years! joc
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    I lived in Northern Indiana from the age of 10 until 17 and go back regularly because my family is still there. I never noticed any of the idioms that have been mentioned above. While living in Kentucky though I heard lots of stuff like hte aviation fuel one. I think it is more a southern Indiana/Kentucky thing to use idioms like that.

    Although I did just remember that when I first moved to Indiana from Kentucky, I laughed at how the kids would say "warsh" instead of "wash". And a carbonated soft drink was called "pop". In Kentucky all carbonated beverages were called "coke" or "cold drinks"
    Growing up in Chicago, we got our groceries in "bags"; in Indiana they were "sacks". In Wisconsin, for "over there", they say "ober dare". My wife's folks, typically rather suspicious of "outsiders", always treated me OK, but rather distantly. Her mother early on asked her if my own Mother and I "speak a foreign language"! This evidently coming from the fact that my Mother was born in Bohemia! joc

    Edit: In chicago, we drank "soda". Indiana it was "pop", except her Dad, to whom it was "sody". He always topped the cake with "motor-sickle"!
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    My wife's family is all from the Louisville area. They crack me up. Ask her grandpa how he's doing and it's always, "Oh, fair ta middlin'." One of my favorite phrases.
    My mom had an expression growing up, an expletive for when something went wrong, "Whale sh!t far!" ....translation: "Well, sh!t fire!"

    I grew up in Crittenend County, Ky to the age of ten when we moved to far Northern Indiana (Kosciusko County) after the coal mines my mom worked in were closed down.
    My wife worked with a gal while we lived in Phoenix who was from PA. She used "sh!t fire" quite often, our first time ever hearing the exclamation, but she pronounced it "sh!t far". Still farther beyond what I consider reasonably acceptable bastardization of pronunciation of English were the useages in the Missouri Ozarks. Our neighbor had a "pahl of pahp" (pile of pipe). joc

    Edit: WTH was this thread supposedly about again? ("aboot" in Canada, sorry Schez!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
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    My wife's family is all from the Louisville area. They crack me up. Ask her grandpa how he's doing and it's always, "Oh, fair ta middlin'." One of my favorite phrases.
    My mom had an expression growing up, an expletive for when something went wrong, "Whale sh!t far!" ....translation: "Well, sh!t fire!"

    I grew up in Crittenend County, Ky to the age of ten when we moved to far Northern Indiana (Kosciusko County) after the coal mines my mom worked in were closed down.
    My wife worked with a gal while we lived in Phoenix who was from PA. She used "sh!t fire" quite often, our first time ever hearing the exclamation, but she pronounced it "sh!t far". Still farther beyond what I consider reasonably acceptable bastardization of pronunciation of English were the useages in the Missouri Ozarks. Our neighbor had a "pahl of pahp" (pile of pipe). joc

    Edit: WTH was this thread supposedly about again? ("aboot" in Canada, sorry Schez!)
    I always cringe when Americans call their language "American", but stuff like this makes it kind of accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
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    Sounds like he was from southern Indiana. Up here in the civilized parts, our accent is pretty neutral.
    My wife was born in Wolf Lake, way up highway 33, raised and lived until late 20s outside of Churubusco, 10 mi. north of Ft. Wayne. I met her in 'Busco, while working as Plant Engineer for Dana Corp. They had two plants there, a Service Parts Division (SPD) and the Victor Oil Seal Plant, built by the Victor Family before Dana bought them out in 1966. I started with victor in '63, in Chicago, best and happiest at work years of my life.

    So, those weird phrases I heard in Northern Indiana. Hey, no hard feelings intended, after all, we been together 35 years! joc
    I know Busco!! The big turtle town, lol. A drinking buddy I had in Indiana before moving to Texas lived there. Well I was pretty antisocial in Indiana as a teen, moved back there in 2007 then to Texas in 2010. As an adult none of the people I knew used those idioms. But it may have just depended on what social group you associated with more. As an adult I mostly knew college age party kids who were barely employed. My parents were both factory workers when I was a kid, but now my dad is in senior management and my mom shifted to retail management. So again, the social groups may have changed a bit, and with it the lingo.
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    I always cringe when Americans call their language "American", but stuff like this makes it kind of accurate.
    I suppose it's "Americanj English" in as way. The BBC presentations my wife watches I find parts of difficult to understand. Technical words especially. Unless having encountered the definitionm, I would not know the meaning of "gudgeon". Do you?

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    I lived in Missouri from 1996 to 2006, about 40 miles west of Saint Louis. Not exactly the Ozarks but plenty of wildlife around. We often had wild turkeys, deer, and raccoons in our back yard. I befriended a raccoon that had been scavenging a dumpster in the apartment complex I lived in. It would come out of the woods behind my building and I would feed it day old doughnuts. Eventually it got to the point it would sit on my lap and eat. Then she disappeared for a week or two only to reappear with a litter of ... what do you call baby racoons? cubs? Anyway, I was shocked that she more or less presented them to me, of course nipping at them to keep a distance but she would come take food from me and deliver it to them. she seemed to be chattering to them and pointing at me a lot too. It was hilarious, I guess I was doing the same thing with my kids. Letting them watch but and pointing and talking about the raccoon but not allowing them to get close to her.

    Oddly I don't think I ever saw any snakes in Missouri, other than the ones in the zoo. I'm glad I never saw any copperheads. I wouldn't have known what to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
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    I always cringe when Americans call their language "American", but stuff like this makes it kind of accurate.
    I suppose it's "Americanj English" in as way. The BBC presentations my wife watches I find parts of difficult to understand. Technical words especially. Unless having encountered the definitionm, I would not know the meaning of "gudgeon". Do you?

    My apologies for the double pic: it happened when I did the Edit, no idea why.
    Fixed the double pic for you.

    Nope, no idea what it means. Then again, English isn't my first language, so I can be forgiven for that I think.
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    Found a couple of possibilities for gudgeon... though I've never heard the word before either,

    Gudgeon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia this one is some sort of fitting

    Gudgeon (fish) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia this one is a fish
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER View Post
    Fixed the double pic for you.

    Nope, no idea what it means. Then again, English isn't my first language, so I can be forgiven for that I think.
    Wish I knew how you accomplished that, given I assume your attendance here is no more managerial than mine, or rather, my computer skills are subsurface acceptable!

    I made a foolish second assumption, also, that being you are British. My apologies, if they are applicable! joc

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    I cringe when I see people killing snakes. Guts me.
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    I cringe when I see people killing snakes. Guts me.
    I did say only Copperheads drove me to that. However, I did kill one harmless snake, a 5 foot long black snake which had suspended itself on a perfectly vertical concrete column which supported our front porch roof. Neither of us witnessed just how it had squirmed it's way up a smooth painted series of blocks, my wife spotted it after hearing the mama Phoebe bird's calling, sitting on her nest at the top of the column. The snake's head was a foot from the nest, it's other end about a foot from the floor. I "swiked" it off the column using a broom, whereupon it fell the four feet down to the ground; by then my wife had retrieved the shotgun kept behind the front door, I fired downwards as the snake was crawling away, cutting it plum in two. The next morning, we found the front half of the critter clear around the other side of the house, about 60 feet baway, where it finally expired.

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    I cringe when I see people killing snakes. Guts me.
    There are no snakes in Hawai'i.
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    I would not have a problem with a rattlesnake. Usually, though, if you make enough noise, and don't "surprise" them, they pretty much hide FROM you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    I cringe when I see people killing snakes. Guts me.
    I hate the idea of killing any animal that isn't going onto a plate to be eaten but if it comes down to choosing to let them kill me or defend myself, I will defend myself in whatever way necessary, even if that means I have to kill it. Ironically, I don't fret so much about humans being killed by humans.
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    I cringe when I see people killing snakes. Guts me.
    There are no snakes in Hawai'i.
    On another forum I list my interests as "Being right as often as possible." The flip side of this means I sometimes have to prove people wrong.


    Two Dead Snakes Turned in This Week | Department of Agriculture

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
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    I cringe when I see people killing snakes. Guts me.
    There are no snakes in Hawai'i.
    On another forum I list my interests as "Being right as often as possible." The flip side of this means I sometimes have to prove people wrong.


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    Oh please, do not misunderstand me. People try to bring them in, but their lives are short lived. They really do "HUNT THEM DOWN".....they are detrimental to our bird population

    But speaking in general, and not for those trying to BRING THEM IN....that they catch and deport......


    There are no snakes in Hawai'i.....by nature.......if any do exist, they were brought IN by humans.

    Is that more acceptable?
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    Is that more acceptable?
    Of course it is. I'm just winding you up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    I did say only Copperheads drove me to that.
    A copperhead is a snake. My sentiment stands.

    I've removed timber rattlers from properties with my bare hands simply to protect them from being killed by the property owner.

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    if it comes down to choosing to let them kill me or defend myself, I will defend myself in whatever way necessary, even if that means I have to kill it.
    I can think of scant few scenarios where an animal attack is not entirely upon the shoulders of the person being attacked. Whether it be due to ignorance of the fact that we remain a part of the food chain or a failure to observe the environment around one's self.

    Suffice it to say, I've never been stalked or chased by a snake. They have become aggressive when I failed to properly observe them in my path or I intentionally tried to handle them.

    When someone talks about killing snakes, I tend to react the way most people would if someone posted about killing kittens (don't worry, I only kill orange kittens).

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    Flick, I hear you. But it's not a perfect world. I've done away with rattlesnakes. Not out of my own fear, though.

    But that of children and our dogs and dogs are Family.

    You cannot expect a child or even the dog to exercise the caution or restraint or respect for the snake you or I might. A rattlesnake is indeed far more likely to fear me than it- and it has that same ignorance and fear that you point out in others... It Will Strike because of it and it may not be me- it may be a toddler.
    And we cannot give a toddler a shotgun and expect good results.

    So, in the end, an innocent animal can still be perceived as a threat and if it's presence is a threat to my child- it's life is forfeit.

    We are as much animals as they are. We lash out and they lash out. We are ignorant and they are ignorant. In the end, one will be the loser.
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    If your kid is being chased by a rattler, you would be well within your boundaries to defend your progeny with any force required.

    I fail to see a scenario where the death of the snake is necessary. If you are concerned there may be snakes on your property, you can take measures to prevent their appearance (removing potential nesting areas, for example). If you spot it before it attacks your child, you can resort to non-lethal removal of the creature. If it has already bitten your child, the death of the snake seems unnecessary.

    I understand that we often destroy that which we fear and I understand that we are not ignorant for fearing pit vipers, but I still fail to see why the death of the snake is necessary in the vast majority of instances.

    Just keep in mind how I feel about wildlife. It's not always going to be rational in the same manner that people responding to threats against their children will not always be rational. I won't pretend to think with a level head when it comes to things like this. I mean, what kind of common sense tells me I should risk my life for an animal that would never return the favor?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    If your kid is being chased by a rattler, you would be well within your boundaries to defend your progeny with any force required.

    I fail to see a scenario where the death of the snake is necessary. If you are concerned there may be snakes on your property, you can take measures to prevent their appearance (removing potential nesting areas, for example).
    You are not understanding. Its Presence is a threat and while we can take some measures, if you're out On The Land, there is only so much you can do.
    It's presence is a threat because I won't see "The Snake Chasing a Child." I will be working and hear a Scream.
    This is the way it is. Most likely the child did not see the snake. The snake, feeling trapped, did what its instincts demand. There is simply the bite. And there IS a way to prevent it: Dead snakes make no bites. I understand exactly how you feel because I have the same feeling, but it's overwhelmed by the more primal part of me that demands the opposite.

    So here is where I am irrational: I place the life of my son as more important than any other animal and any other human.

    If given a choice between saving my sons life or a hundred other people, I'd mourn the hundred.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    You are not understanding.
    Maybe not.

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    And there IS a way to prevent it: Dead snakes make no bites.
    Nor do snakes which have been removed.

    My point is that if you see the snake, you don't HAVE to kill it. Removal is an option. After removing it, you can make an attempt to identify where it was taking shelter or how it got onto your property so that you can prevent a future occurence.

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    So here is where I am irrational: I place the life of my son as more important than any other animal and any other human.
    I wouldn't suggest allowing your son to be killed because he made a poor choice or was too young to understand the situation. I would simply recommend that, upon spotting a potential threat, appropriate measures were taken in regard to both protection of your family and protection of the threat.

    I take measures to protect myself and my wife from constant daily threats, but I have yet to kill anything to accomplish that goal.
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    I feel similar to you, Flick. My thought is...we (ppl) have "invaded" their (wildlife) space with our endless housing developments, office buildings, etc..,And then we kill them when they get in "our way?" Mankind never ceases to amaze me. :/
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    I have tended to abandon that notion simply because it implies that we should live where no other wildlife is present.

    I would agree that we have the ability to live with other wildlife in a manner which other animals cannot. No other animal would hesitate to immediately kill a threatening creature. I simply try to appeal to the altruistic nature of humans to protect the life around them regardless of the danger it poses.

    Snakes are a pivotal part of the food chain and if you and every one of your neighbor kills one, you could wipe out a local population. The whole, "It was just a snake" or "It was just one snake" doesn't fly with me. If we all thought that way, there would be nothing but mosquitoes and rats with whom to share our planet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post

    There are no snakes in Hawai'i.
    Not significant numbers anyway.

    Snakes in Hawaii

    If you live in Hawaii long enough and you root around in your gardens frequently enough, you're bound to see an Brahminy Blind Snake (Ramphotyhlops braminus). If you do ever happen to catch glimpse of these worm-looking vertebrates, you'll be know they are female. Its the only known parthenogenic snake. That means that one snake can populate an island by laying unfertilized eggs that hatch to become virtual female clones. Its a great adaptation that has enabled island existence of other species (notably the geckos).

    Sometime in the 1980's the blind snake was introduced to the islands of Hawaii in potting soil from plants (probably from the Philippines). These small snakes with tiny eye-spots, eat small termites, ants and other arthropods. As termites and ants are also introduced animals, these snakes pose no great threat to ecosystems in Hawaii.
    In the Pacific there are around 4 dozen sea snakes that can be found, of them, only one has ever been reported in Hawaiian waters, the Yellow-bellied Sea Snake (Pelamis platurus). This is the only open-ocean marine snake. Even though it does occur here naturally, it is by no means common. In fact, you'll likely to never see one. Only 20 specimens have been documented.
    No need to carry a side-arm for snake protection, lol...

    The only snakes that I am aware of in Yukon are those that people buy at pet shops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post

    The only snakes that I am aware of in Yukon are those that people buy at pet shops.
    The same can be said of New Zealand, I believe. Just another reason I want to visit it some time in the future.
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    ... I laughed at how the kids would say "warsh" instead of "wash". ..."
    from age 1 to 4 I lived with my uncles mother(the first woman I ever loved) on a farm up the wabash from Terre Haute Indiana. i learned to talk with her and she used "warsh", "warshing machine", etc.......Which earned me some time with the speech pathologist when I started school in Chicago...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER View Post
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    The only snakes that I am aware of in Yukon are those that people buy at pet shops.
    The same can be said of New Zealand, I believe. Just another reason I want to visit it some time in the future.
    I'd love to meet a liar bird in New Zealand. It's the only liar in the world I appreciate lol. If it were legal I would totally try to have one as a pet and teach it to protect our property with stunning special effects.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
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    ... I laughed at how the kids would say "warsh" instead of "wash". ..."
    from age 1 to 4 I lived with my uncles mother(the first woman I ever loved) on a farm up the wabash from Terre Haute Indiana. i learned to talk with her and she used "warsh", "warshing machine", etc.......Which earned me some time with the speech pathologist when I started school in Chicago...
    (what the hell was wrong with those chikaagwins? Grandma knew better. thought I.)
    I'm looking forward to my mom's southern drawl coming back she is moving to southern Indiana right now and will likely be talking like a blue grass hillbilly again in no time. I get my accent back within hours of being there and then it takes a couple of weeks for it to fade again when I leave the area.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
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    you carry a nine mil pistol in your back pocket?

    does sitting on the damned thing turn into a pain in the ass?
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    I'd love to meet a liar bird in New Zealand. It's the only liar in the world I appreciate lol. If it were legal I would totally try to have one as a pet and teach it to protect our property with stunning special effects.
    Lyre Bird.
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    Nor do snakes which have been removed.

    My point is that if you see the snake, you don't HAVE to kill it. Removal is an option. After removing it, you can make an attempt to identify where it was taking shelter or how it got onto your property so that you can prevent a future occurence.
    Removal or death is similar in effect- death is more certain.

    Given a choice, I prefer your method. And the fact is, in spite of my blustering- I have not killed a snake in well over a decade... I've removed normal "threats" like Opossums (Yes, they may not have venom but they are close to it!) from the property...

    But you're not seeing the other side. What if I eat the snake? Does that make it ok? In the natural world, death is an effective solution. That's why the snakes have venom in the first place.

    You are saying removal is an option and I am saying that so is killing it and while I agree with how you feel, am in fact more likely to go your route, even, others may not and that's not a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad thing. By asserting your position as you do, you imply that yours is simple a Better Way.
    The thing is, for others, the certainty and assurance that their young toddler is not going to get struck and killed by the snakes venom is more important than the life of the snake and you cannot fault that or really press that yours is the "better way."
    This is how it is in the natural world and most other animals kill for far less noble reasons.
    Don't mistake this as me disagreeing with your perspectives- I don't disagree. But they are merely perspectives, no matter how "right" they feel.
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    you carry a nine mil pistol in your back pocket?
    No. He's just pleased to see you, in a strangely perverted way.
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    you carry a nine mil pistol in your back pocket?
    No. He's just pleased to see you, in a strangely perverted way.
    Might be what happens when you get exited while tucking.
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    I'd love to meet a liar bird in New Zealand. It's the only liar in the world I appreciate lol. If it were legal I would totally try to have one as a pet and teach it to protect our property with stunning special effects.
    Um, it's a lyre bird.
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    you carry a nine mil pistol in your back pocket?
    No. He's just pleased to see you, in a strangely perverted way.
    Might be what happens when you get exited while tucking.
    tucking ?
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    I cringe when I see people killing snakes. Guts me.
    I hate the idea of killing any animal that isn't going onto a plate to be eaten but if it comes down to choosing to let them kill me or defend myself, I will defend myself in whatever way necessary, even if that means I have to kill it. Ironically, I don't fret so much about humans being killed by humans.
    Does that mean by humans defending themselves against humans, or just humans killing humans? I ask while thinking about WW-II: we lost many servicemen, but then KILLED many on the "adversary side" who did little else but fill bombshells, work in munitions plants, etc. joc
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    Is that more acceptable?
    Of course it is. I'm just winding you up.
    GLARE DOWN!!

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    I cringe when I see people killing snakes. Guts me.
    There are no snakes in Hawai'i.
    On another forum I list my interests as "Being right as often as possible." The flip side of this means I sometimes have to prove people wrong.


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    I suspect it is meant statistically. To think, or believe, there are NO, absolutely NO, snakes in Hawaii, would be ridiculous! Especially if one includes the variety of two-legged snakes. jocular
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    Of course it is. I'm just winding you up.
    Like a clockspring, but dai pozor, springs sometimes strike back! jocular
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    I did say only Copperheads drove me to that.

    I've removed timber rattlers from properties with my bare hands simply to protect them from being killed by the property owner.
    No problem with this, if you are an experienced snake handler, which most of us are not. Thus, since I am not privy to your circumstances or everyday interests, as are most of us (I think), I must say that this represents the efforts of a remarkable fool. jocular
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    I feel similar to you, Flick. My thought is...we (ppl) have "invaded" their (wildlife) space with our endless housing developments, office buildings, etc..,And then we kill them when they get in "our way?" Mankind never ceases to amaze me. :/
    A most fitting corollary to this exists in the line "Cut down all the trees, put 'em in a tree museum; then they charge you a buck and a half just to see 'em." From a top Billboard Hits recording. jocular
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    I have tended to abandon that notion simply because it implies that we should live where no other wildlife is present.

    I would agree that we have the ability to live with other wildlife in a manner which other animals cannot. No other animal would hesitate to immediately kill a threatening creature. I simply try to appeal to the altruistic nature of humans to protect the life around them regardless of the danger it poses.

    Snakes are a pivotal part of the food chain and if you and every one of your neighbor kills one, you could wipe out a local population. The whole, "It was just a snake" or "It was just one snake" doesn't fly with me. If we all thought that way, there would be nothing but mosquitoes and rats with whom to share our planet.
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    No need to carry a side-arm for snake protection, lol...[/QUOTE]

    See how easy it is to jump to conclusions? I surely knew this would come up. A side-arm was carried, at least in our case, as protection against the unexpected threat presented by mountain lions, (properly called in Missouri, Puma, or Jaguar), or of the two-legged variety of "snake" that has seemingly invaded our everyday society. jocular
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    I have tended to abandon that notion simply because it implies that we should live where no other wildlife is present.

    I would agree that we have the ability to live with other wildlife in a manner which other animals cannot. No other animal would hesitate to immediately kill a threatening creature. I simply try to appeal to the altruistic nature of humans to protect the life around them regardless of the danger it poses.

    Snakes are a pivotal part of the food chain and if you and every one of your neighbor kills one, you could wipe out a local population. The whole, "It was just a snake" or "It was just one snake" doesn't fly with me. If we all thought that way, there would be nothing but mosquitoes and rats with whom to share our planet.
    Agreed and understood! Unfortunately, there are harsh realties working against beliefs contained within altruistic philosophies. jocular
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    The only snakes that I am aware of in Yukon are those that people buy at pet shops.
    The same can be said of New Zealand, I believe. Just another reason I want to visit it some time in the future.
    You have then, a dislike of snakes? jocular
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    ... I laughed at how the kids would say "warsh" instead of "wash". ..."
    from age 1 to 4 I lived with my uncles mother(the first woman I ever loved) on a farm up the wabash from Terre Haute Indiana. i learned to talk with her and she used "warsh", "warshing machine", etc.......Which earned me some time with the speech pathologist when I started school in Chicago...
    (what the hell was wrong with those chikaagwins? Grandma knew better. thought I.)
    I regard your post as most important of all those here! Strictly selfish, hear? Your spelling of the bad pronunciation is munificent! jocular
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    ... I laughed at how the kids would say "warsh" instead of "wash". ..."
    from age 1 to 4 I lived with my uncles mother(the first woman I ever loved) on a farm up the wabash from Terre Haute Indiana. i learned to talk with her and she used "warsh", "warshing machine", etc.......Which earned me some time with the speech pathologist when I started school in Chicago...
    (what the hell was wrong with those chikaagwins? Grandma knew better. thought I.)
    I'm looking forward to my mom's southern drawl coming back she is moving to southern Indiana right now and will likely be talking like a blue grass hillbilly again in no time. I get my accent back within hours of being there and then it takes a couple of weeks for it to fade again when I leave the area.
    I never knew these "traits" were not ingrained. So, if I tried hard, I could lose the inflections creating those "Chicago, Wisconsin, ""Midwestern Accents" ? jocular
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    joc,
    you carry a nine mil pistol in your back pocket?

    does sitting on the damned thing turn into a pain in the ass?
    I did THERE, I do not now. Apparently, having a pistol on one's person is a distressing thought to you. Why? Why the hell does this affect some so? A gun is a tool, to be used as needed, or simply allowed to remain available as a means to an end. Those totally unfamiliar with handguns seem to regard them as the "evil reincarnated". They are no more or less of importance than, say, a shovel, which is another tool which can be used just as effectivly as a gun, should that be not available. joc
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    joc,
    you carry a nine mil pistol in your back pocket?

    does sitting on the damned thing turn into a pain in the ass?
    I did THERE, I do not now. Apparently, having a pistol on one's person is a distressing thought to you. Why? Why the hell does this affect some so? A gun is a tool, to be used as needed, or simply allowed to remain available as a means to an end. Those totally unfamiliar with handguns seem to regard them as the "evil reincarnated". They are no more or less of importance than, say, a shovel, which is another tool which can be used just as effectivly as a gun, should that be not available. joc
    <chuckle> I agree with everything you've just said but will point out that the poster Sculptor does not come across as one of those types normally.
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    ... I laughed at how the kids would say "warsh" instead of "wash". ..."
    from age 1 to 4 I lived with my uncles mother(the first woman I ever loved) on a farm up the wabash from Terre Haute Indiana. i learned to talk with her and she used "warsh", "warshing machine", etc.......Which earned me some time with the speech pathologist when I started school in Chicago...
    (what the hell was wrong with those chikaagwins? Grandma knew better. thought I.)
    I'm looking forward to my mom's southern drawl coming back she is moving to southern Indiana right now and will likely be talking like a blue grass hillbilly again in no time. I get my accent back within hours of being there and then it takes a couple of weeks for it to fade again when I leave the area.
    I never knew these "traits" were not ingrained. So, if I tried hard, I could lose the inflections creating those "Chicago, Wisconsin, ""Midwestern Accents" ? jocular
    I don't think it is something anyone "tries" to do. Some people lose and pick up accents really fast. I'm one of those people. But not all do. I went to England for a week a decade ago, and having been there only a week I was told I was speaking like a Brit when I got home, but within a week I was back to talking like those around me.

    Maybe my instinct to mimic is strong. That could explain why I have to be careful what company I keep. I tend to become like those around me, at least on the surface. Probably because I was treated like such an outcast as a kid for being weird. So when around other people, to keep everyone else's sensitivities in tact, I tend to do my best to blend in, even if the people around me make no sense to me whatsoever. But it causes me many sleepless nights the more extreme the transformation has to be.

    But having moved around a lot, even to Pakistan for a year, I have seen that people do tend to have their original accent fade at least a bit. But maybe it just depends on how long you held the accent before being moved to another region. I have moved a lot my whole life. So I never really had a strong native accent to begin with. People who do not speak English as their native language tend to tell me I am easier to understand than many Americans they meet because I don't use much slang and I start to develop their accent lol.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
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    I cringe when I see people killing snakes. Guts me.
    There are no snakes in Hawai'i.
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    I suspect it is meant statistically. To think, or believe, there are NO, absolutely NO, snakes in Hawaii, would be ridiculous! Especially if one includes the variety of two-legged snakes. jocular
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    joc,
    you carry a nine mil pistol in your back pocket?
    No. He's just pleased to see you, in a strangely perverted way.
    An unnecessarily concerned, but nonetheless undestandable response from one who obviously feels those who are armed and not indebted to the government's military effort are acting in ways of cross-purpose to society's benefit. Join the ranks of the "subjects", John, rather than those of the citizens.

    Jesus Christ! Will I also have to register the serial numbers of my garden tools with the gov't. to avoid incarceration? jocular
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    Dang Joc, that's a lot of posts in a row... Making a train?
    I dream of making another, know what I mean? joc
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    joc,
    you carry a nine mil pistol in your back pocket?

    does sitting on the damned thing turn into a pain in the ass?
    I did THERE, I do not now. Apparently, having a pistol on one's person is a distressing thought to you. Why? Why the hell does this affect some so? A gun is a tool, to be used as needed, or simply allowed to remain available as a means to an end. Those totally unfamiliar with handguns seem to regard them as the "evil reincarnated". They are no more or less of importance than, say, a shovel, which is another tool which can be used just as effectivly as a gun, should that be not available. joc
    <chuckle> I agree with everything you've just said but will point out that the poster Sculptor does not come across as one of those types normally.
    Those types of what? What did I miss? joc
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
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    joc,
    you carry a nine mil pistol in your back pocket?

    does sitting on the damned thing turn into a pain in the ass?
    I did THERE, I do not now. Apparently, having a pistol on one's person is a distressing thought to you. Why? Why the hell does this affect some so? A gun is a tool, to be used as needed, or simply allowed to remain available as a means to an end. Those totally unfamiliar with handguns seem to regard them as the "evil reincarnated". They are no more or less of importance than, say, a shovel, which is another tool which can be used just as effectivly as a gun, should that be not available. joc
    <chuckle> I agree with everything you've just said but will point out that the poster Sculptor does not come across as one of those types normally.
    Those types of what? What did I miss? joc
    What he means is that Sculptor was more likely than not, referring to the fact that a gun in your back pocket could lead to actual pain felt in your buttocks either due to sitting on bulky metal or because it may go off unexpectedly and shoot you in the butt.

    I can't remember who on the forum is for or against the right to keep and bare(or is it bear) arms but I don't specifically remember sculptor ever getting upset about individual gun ownership or one's right to carry. I could be wrong though. But sculptor is probably one of the least easy to offend members on the forum.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
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    joc,
    you carry a nine mil pistol in your back pocket?
    No. He's just pleased to see you, in a strangely perverted way.
    An unnecessarily concerned, but nonetheless undestandable response from one who obviously feels those who are armed and not indebted to the government's military effort are acting in ways of cross-purpose to society's benefit. Join the ranks of the "subjects", John, rather than those of the citizens.

    Jesus Christ! Will I also have to register the serial numbers of my garden tools with the gov't. to avoid incarceration? jocular

    That and certain other body parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    I can't remember who on the forum is for or against the right to keep and bare(or is it bear) arms but I don't specifically remember sculptor ever getting upset about individual gun ownership or one's right to carry. I could be wrong though. But sculptor is probably one of the least easy to offend members on the forum.
    Bear*.
    If he's making a firearm bare, he's got the Naked Gun.

    Sculptor has struck me as Pro-Second Amendment and Pro-Freedom.
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    What if I eat the snake? Does that make it ok?
    I support game hunting for food over domestication. While it is a leap backward in terms of human achievements, it's better for everyone and everything involved.

    What I don't like is a creature being killed out of fear or for fun with no consideration for local populations.

    Since this is completely off-topic, I'm going to drop it before I get a mod warning. I'm sure there's another thread out there somewhere that's already gone over all this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    Since this is completely off-topic, I'm going to drop it before I get a mod warning. I'm sure there's another thread out there somewhere that's already gone over all this.
    Yeah, I know I've gone over it extensively in other threads, as well. Usually arguing the same viewpoint you have here LOL. But that is not universal and above, I made the exceptions and why I believe they are valid.
    It may have been off topic, but at least neither tried to wyrm out of it. Some folks would do so like a snake in the grass.
    I guess I'll slither off before I get in trouble, too.
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    So, nobody kills mosquitoes or rats? jocular
    They wouldn't have to if we stopped impacting bat habitats and killing snakes.

    I think the primary reason we control populations of some animals (mosquitoes and rats, for instance) is due to disease vectors. While snakes pose a direct threat, they don't begin epidemics.
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    Ah... I've been wanting to build a bat house for a long time...
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    Ah... I've been wanting to build a bat house for a long time...
    Once we move into our new house, it's going to be one of my first projects. First, though, I have to get a house with some green space and not these ridiculous pop-up neighborhoods that have spawned over all of our old farm land.
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    joc,
    you carry a nine mil pistol in your back pocket?

    does sitting on the damned thing turn into a pain in the ass?
    I did THERE, I do not now. Apparently, having a pistol on one's person is a distressing thought to you. Why? Why the hell does this affect some so? A gun is a tool, to be used as needed, or simply allowed to remain available as a means to an end. Those totally unfamiliar with handguns seem to regard them as the "evil reincarnated". They are no more or less of importance than, say, a shovel, which is another tool which can be used just effectivelyvly as a gun, should that be not available. joc
    shoulder holster?
    Did you eat the snake?---real tasty.
    Frankly I really don't care if you carry a weapon in a holster, in your pocket, hung on a chord around yer neck, or shoved up your(where the sun don't shine)----hmm, would keep it warm in the winter and pretty much guarantee that nobody but you would ever wanna touch the damned thing.
    .....
    I do have a 38 in a shoulder holster, and whenever I shoot the rifle, I have the pistol cleaned, loaded, and hung on a peg nice and handy in-case I gotta follow a wounded deer--(I prefer to not carry the rifle when going through rough brush---and suspect that I would find it cumbersome for dragging a deer up the hill.)----ain't happened yet, but prepared none the less.
    And, though I rarely miss with a rifle, I'm about as worthless as tits on a boar when it comes to pistols. Added to which is that I have enough trouble keeping my pants up without the weight of a 3 pound pistol in a pocket. So, I'm a tad prejudiced.
    That being said:
    The above was intended as levity..............(that joke went over like a lead baloon)

    seriously
    I think that every sane adult who is willing to develop proficiency with a weapon should have at least 1 handy.
    (the sane part is a bit problematic as I would not want some lilly livered anti gun nutjob shrink deciding who could or could not own or carry a weapon.)

    ............that being said:
    What were we supposed to be discussing?
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    ............that being said:
    What were we supposed to be discussing?
    A long, long time ago...

    Where do the dislikes wind up? My profile only shows likes given and received.

    I wish to bring up the list of dislikes granted me to a par with likes! jocular
    Watching various threads wend their way along is absolutely hilarious and occasionally enlightening.
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    A machete, such as the one I keep in the back of my 4x4, is much more effective at killing snakes than a sidearm. Firing sidearms at point blank targets is a recipe for ricochets and blinding or killing oneself instead of the snake.
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    Lynx: Do you eat them(snakes)?
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    Lynx: Do you eat them(snakes)?
    I have before...but not regularly.
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    I ain't killed a snake('cepting one the lawnmower got) in almost 35 years, but I do remember that I liked the meat.

    I like the local snakes. They hunt and eat critters that I ain't fond of. So would'nt intentionally kill one.
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