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    Hello,

    I can't take the deception anymore since it grates on my nerves to lie. I used to post here under the handle pmb. A time came around when I was being insulted grossly using the excuse that I was looking for pity rather than what I really doing, looking for help, understanding, support etc. I'm disabled from chronic pain and have a tough time doing this whole disbled thing so when I was under attack it cut deep and I was severly hurt emotionally. And you know how flamers are. Once they find out that they're hurting you and how the make it worse for some sick and demented reason. In an attempt to bring it to an end I explained that if it didn't stop I'd report it because it's quite illegal to do what they were doing. I reported it but the moderators allowed it. Because I said I'd report it if it happened again I was banned from this forum for "threatening" someone. Personally I think that's a pervesion of the rule against threatening people. Only bullies and violent people me threats. What I did was to give a warning that what they were doing was breaking the law and I wouldn't sit by and accept it. So I was banned. A similar thing occured at the other forum (I was accused of doing something I didn't do, i.e. misquote someone).

    Being disabled means sitting at home all day and night year after year after year with no friends to talk to. If I didn't create a sockpuppet and start posting again I thought I'd go nuts from the lonliness.
    I had to come here to make an attempt to learn about chronic pain, opioid therapy and how to deal with these things. I was also frustrated for being percieved to be something that I'm not so I thought I'd try to start all over again. I appologize for the deception but not posting seemed to be causing me harm from lonliness and boredom. So sue me.

    The problem is that I can't take the deception. Lying hurts people like me. I can't stand being something that I'm not. Therefore since I was asked to leave the sister physics forum I feel as though I'm waiting for the shoe to drop here so I've decided to leave since they're going to ban me when they learn that I'm the pmb that they've already banned.

    So thanks for the help that you've given so far.


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    Nice to have known you, see ya! BTW they know I've had the same problem you have but I've never been bothered by anyone here. It would seem to me that it might be you who is creating your own problems and should try to address yourself and what you say when you are posting instead of always confronting others and what they do. Just a suggestion so don't get upset at me too.


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    That was... a mistake, lies should be kept if mutually advantageous.
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    I think we should let PhyMan stay, wipe the slate clean, and see how it goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpeedFreek View Post
    I think we should let PhyMan stay, wipe the slate clean, and see how it goes.
    I agree. I'm willing to put up with a bit of cantankerousness, or whatever it was that led to the ban, to keep a member who knows what they are talking about. There's no doubt, PhyMan knows some physics.
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    There you go then Pete, an nth chance. Just don't threaten other members with legal action again please. We don't need those kinds of problems around here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER View Post
    There you go then Pete, an nth chance. Just don't threaten other members with legal action again please. We don't need those kinds of problems around here.
    I decided against staying. Not only did someone assume I must have done something wrong and thus deserve to be flamed but someone took all this as an opportunity to e-mail me flames when I gave them my e-mail to let them know who I am and tus come out of hiding. Apparently people wanted to flame me for having to feelibg that I had to lie. I won't place myself around moderators who don't moderate(i.e. get away with nasty flaming), people who jump to conclusions, or people who choose to flame me in e-mail. People want to hold into the vinegar of the past. Since the same moderators who let them flame me are still doing the same job they were when I was flamed into warning someone with legal action I don't think that this is the place for me. The place I was before here is much more pleasant. Or perhaps I'll create my own. Goodbye.
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    So much for the nth chance.
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    *sigh*

    just..

    *sigh*

    I give up.

    With all sides in this story.

    Pete obviously has his own problems, but who on Earth would bother flaming him by email?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpeedFreek View Post
    ..., but who on Earth would bother flaming him by email?!
    And I posted it here because I am in desperate need of moral assistance - No kidding at all. Some people are just really mean to do something like that. Some people just can't accept appologies. They're just too mean inside. So I had to delete my e-mail address. I learned the valuable lesson of why people don't let their e-mail address get around.

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    Peter, you seem to be begging to be banned.
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    PhyMan, I am not aware of any of the moderators being informed that you were being flamed. Are you saying that was by a member on this forum, or on the other forum? If it was this forum, please pm me the details.

    You say you are in desparate need of moral assitance, but you do not say why. How is anyone meant to help if you don't provide the information. Harold has said he is happy to have you remain. Kalster has said the same. I echo that, but really - can you try to be more coherent and objective and less emotional in your posts. That would help your case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    PhyMan, I am not aware of any of the moderators being informed that you were being flamed. Are you saying that was by a member on this forum, or on the other forum? If it was this forum, please pm me the details.

    You say you are in desparate need of moral assitance, but you do not say why. How is anyone meant to help if you don't provide the information. Harold has said he is happy to have you remain. Kalster has said the same. I echo that, but really - can you try to be more coherent and objective and less emotional in your posts. That would help your case.
    Mr. Galt. Meaning no disrespect, but people who live in chronic pain can get emotional. Pain wears on the psyche and I speak from personal experience of 13 plus years. I hope he stays also.
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    On further consideration, taking into account Pete's past conduct on both this and our sister forum and after discussion in the mod section, Pete will indeed be suspended to help facilitate his decision to leave anyway. Judging by his responses above, he is not suddenly gong to stop clashing with the mod team, including the mod (Guitarist) largely in charge of the math section where Pete would be looking to participate in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhyMan View Post
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    There you go then Pete, an nth chance. Just don't threaten other members with legal action again please. We don't need those kinds of problems around here.
    I decided against staying. Not only did someone assume I must have done something wrong and thus deserve to be flamed but someone took all this as an opportunity to e-mail me flames when I gave them my e-mail to let them know who I am and tus come out of hiding. Apparently people wanted to flame me for having to feelibg that I had to lie. I won't place myself around moderators who don't moderate(i.e. get away with nasty flaming), people who jump to conclusions, or people who choose to flame me in e-mail. People want to hold into the vinegar of the past. Since the same moderators who let them flame me are still doing the same job they were when I was flamed into warning someone with legal action I don't think that this is the place for me. The place I was before here is much more pleasant. Or perhaps I'll create my own. Goodbye.
    Sorry for posting after I've been banned but I made a severe error which needs to be corrected because someone's reputation is at sake. What a thought was a flame in e-mail was actually an olive branch of welcoming. I thought I was going to get some flak for admitting that I was pmb so I was crouched and ready to be pounced on. That led to the unfortunate misreading of an e-mail sent to me extending that olive branch. I humbly appologize for my action. I've asked the powers that be if I can come back and have promised to behave. If they are kind enough to allow that I would be most grateful. I not then thanks for your patience. Please leave this post up long enough so that the person who sent that e-mail will know I appologized and am very sorry for what I have done.
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    We often think that the internet is just 'words on a screen,' but there is another person on the other end. If you wouldn't say something to someone in person, why say it online? I think internet bullies (and offline ones) are a bore, in other words. lol Phyman seems like a sweet man, and he apologized...that to me, is admirable. (as long as the behavior changes along with the apology!) Just my two cents. :=)
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    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
    We often think that the internet is just 'words on a screen,' but there is another person on the other end. If you wouldn't say something to someone in person, why say it online? I think internet bullies (and offline ones) are a bore, in other words. lol Phyman seems like a sweet man, and he apologized...that to me, is admirable. (as long as the behavior changes along with the apology!) Just my two cents. :=)
    I disagree with almost everything you just said.
    I don't say anything to someone online that I wouldn't say to their face. But being honest and trying to help others (not just the people involved but lurkers and readers) see errors or issues or flaws in arguments is most certainly not Bullying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
    We often think that the internet is just 'words on a screen,' but there is another person on the other end. If you wouldn't say something to someone in person, why say it online? I think internet bullies (and offline ones) are a bore, in other words. lol Phyman seems like a sweet man, and he apologized...that to me, is admirable. (as long as the behavior changes along with the apology!) Just my two cents. :=)
    I disagree with almost everything you just said.
    I don't say anything to someone online that I wouldn't say to their face. But being honest and trying to help others (not just the people involved but lurkers and readers) see errors or issues or flaws in arguments is most certainly not Bullying.
    But, sometimes, neverfly, your occasionally agressive nature does come off as a bit strong and confrontational.
    (ain'y nobody's perfect, not even you----------------but keep trying)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
    We often think that the internet is just 'words on a screen,' but there is another person on the other end. If you wouldn't say something to someone in person, why say it online? I think internet bullies (and offline ones) are a bore, in other words. lol Phyman seems like a sweet man, and he apologized...that to me, is admirable. (as long as the behavior changes along with the apology!) Just my two cents. :=)
    I disagree with almost everything you just said.
    I don't say anything to someone online that I wouldn't say to their face. But being honest and trying to help others (not just the people involved but lurkers and readers) see errors or issues or flaws in arguments is most certainly not Bullying.
    I never said anything you suggest. I don't understand why you said this? I never suggested that bullying is what you are stating it as such here. Please don't put words in my mouth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    But, sometimes, neverfly, your occasionally agressive nature does come off as a bit strong and confrontational.
    (ain'y nobody's perfect, not even you----------------but keep trying)
    And sometimes, people seem to have difficulty showing me errors. Sometimes, I have difficulty seeing them.

    One thing people that know me in person who also exchange text messages with me may say is that while I will use the same words in a text message as I say out loud, they are more likely to read different inflections in a text.

    I forgot- Thanks, Pete, by the way, for clarifying that no one flamed you in an email.
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    I never said anything you suggest. I don't understand why you said this? I never suggested that bullying is what you are stating it as such here. Please don't put words in my mouth.
    I will not put any words in your mouth; I will merely show to you two important words you had actually said:
    "Seems Like."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
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    But, sometimes, neverfly, your occasionally agressive nature does come off as a bit strong and confrontational.
    (ain'y nobody's perfect, not even you----------------but keep trying)
    And sometimes, people seem to have difficulty showing me errors. Sometimes, I have difficulty seeing them.

    One thing people that know me in person who also exchange text messages with me may say is that while I will use the same words in a text message as I say out loud, they are more likely to read different inflections in a text.

    I forgot- Thanks, Pete, by the way, for clarifying that no one flamed you in an email.
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    I never said anything you suggest. I don't understand why you said this? I never suggested that bullying is what you are stating it as such here. Please don't put words in my mouth.
    I will not put any words in your mouth; I will merely show to you two important words you had actually said:
    "Seems Like."
    lol oh. my comment was more in general. that said, he states he is lonely and disabled. I guess I saw it as he probably let his frustrations in his own life, come out...on screen. Mods have tough jobs, I couldn't be one. :/
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    couldn't or wouldn't?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    couldn't or wouldn't?
    Shouldn't :-PP
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    Agreed, there. I couldn't be one, either.
    And shouldn't. It's a tough job, though I do believe that if one has been made into one, they need to do what they agreed to do and not claim they don't need to because it's Unpaid or make a poor show of it in general.
    In all fairness, I think few people keep their frustrations in life from coming out on screen. I know my own frustrations are heavy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Agreed, there. I couldn't be one, either.
    And shouldn't. It's a tough job, though I do believe that if one has been made into one, they need to do what they agreed to do and not claim they don't need to because it's Unpaid or make a poor show of it in general.
    In all fairness, I think few people keep their frustrations in life from coming out on screen. I know my own frustrations are heavy...
    see, this is where a 'dislike' button could come in handy. hehe

    i am joking, i wouldn't want the dislike button. it breeds contempt, stuff like that. interestingly, it would be like a 'lord of the flies' message board, and would lose its down to earth 'feel.'

    i could be a mod, but i probably would have a hard time banning people. haha and everyone would be mad at me. and then, i'd cry.

    it would be bad.

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    I've been a mod on a discussion board and a guide in an MMORPG. I quickly developed a reputation for being a ruthless tyrant and no one wanted to be my friend. I just stick to participating now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    I've been a mod on a discussion board and a guide in an MMORPG. I quickly developed a reputation for being a ruthless tyrant and no one wanted to be my friend. I just stick to participating now.
    it's lonely at the top, as they say!

    interesting, that was your experience. was it an unruly message forum, would you say? some boards can 'self moderate' more than others...but if you have a lot of jerks in one spot...eek.
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    Wegs, and Sculptor I have a very simple attitude to this.
    Mods have a tough job. I am one in another totally separate site.
    You have to be fair, but my job is easier because we have an ignore button.

    After two demeaning posts, I simply stick them in ignore.

    I don't need to read that. It is NOT CONSTRUCTIVE, or EDUCATIONAL, it is demeaning and only giving them self-righteous jollies.

    I don't do that in real life.

    I won't do it in a forum or a chat.

    Respect is a two way street.

    Agree and disagree can be done WITH RESPECT.

    When it crosses the line it is plain bullying and demeaning.

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    Sorry about this, folks, but I need to put something on the record here.

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    There you go then Pete, an nth chance. Just don't threaten other members with legal action again please. We don't need those kinds of problems around here.
    I decided against staying. Not only did someone assume I must have done something wrong and thus deserve to be flamed but someone took all this as an opportunity to e-mail me flames when I gave them my e-mail to let them know who I am and tus come out of hiding. Apparently people wanted to flame me for having to feelibg that I had to lie. I won't place myself around moderators who don't moderate(i.e. get away with nasty flaming), people who jump to conclusions, or people who choose to flame me in e-mail. People want to hold into the vinegar of the past. Since the same moderators who let them flame me are still doing the same job they were when I was flamed into warning someone with legal action I don't think that this is the place for me. The place I was before here is much more pleasant. Or perhaps I'll create my own. Goodbye.
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    *sigh*

    just..

    *sigh*

    I give up.

    With all sides in this story.

    Pete obviously has his own problems, but who on Earth would bother flaming him by email?!

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    ..., but who on Earth would bother flaming him by email?!
    And I posted it here because I am in desperate need of moral assistance - No kidding at all. Some people are just really mean to do something like that. Some people just can't accept appologies. They're just too mean inside. So I had to delete my e-mail address. I learned the valuable lesson of why people don't let their e-mail address get around.

    SpeedFreek - Please e-mail me!
    I felt sorry for Pete, so I emailed him. Then, via email, I was (unprompted by me - "who on Earth" is obviously rhetorical) informed of the "culprit" of this "flaming" which, I have to admit gave me a bad impression about them.

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    There you go then Pete, an nth chance. Just don't threaten other members with legal action again please. We don't need those kinds of problems around here.
    I decided against staying. Not only did someone assume I must have done something wrong and thus deserve to be flamed but someone took all this as an opportunity to e-mail me flames when I gave them my e-mail to let them know who I am and tus come out of hiding. Apparently people wanted to flame me for having to feelibg that I had to lie. I won't place myself around moderators who don't moderate(i.e. get away with nasty flaming), people who jump to conclusions, or people who choose to flame me in e-mail. People want to hold into the vinegar of the past. Since the same moderators who let them flame me are still doing the same job they were when I was flamed into warning someone with legal action I don't think that this is the place for me. The place I was before here is much more pleasant. Or perhaps I'll create my own. Goodbye.
    Sorry for posting after I've been banned but I made a severe error which needs to be corrected because someone's reputation is at sake. What a thought was a flame in e-mail was actually an olive branch of welcoming. I thought I was going to get some flak for admitting that I was pmb so I was crouched and ready to be pounced on. That led to the unfortunate misreading of an e-mail sent to me extending that olive branch. I humbly appologize for my action. I've asked the powers that be if I can come back and have promised to behave. If they are kind enough to allow that I would be most grateful. I not then thanks for your patience. Please leave this post up long enough so that the person who sent that e-mail will know I appologized and am very sorry for what I have done.
    So, the reason you chose not to stay (and caused a great big drama about being flamed) was totally bogus? Well, I thank you for setting the record straight, so to speak. You seem to want to be an honourable person, which is indeed admirable.

    But you are, in reality, a total mess. And your actions here have had a negative effect on others. I was given a COMPLETELY false impression about someone here. Now, perhaps in normal circumstances I should have been expected to know better, but seeing as I have the type of personality that takes things literally and cannot read between the lines, I want no more dealings with you.

    It might not be your fault as such, as it is just the way you are, but that way is incompatible with the way I am. I take things on face value and assess them at that level. Your actions have negatively influenced my dealings with another member here, and now I feel like a total fool.

    My advice to you is to find another forum and start again with a completely new identity, as at the moment you carry too much baggage around with you.

    Sorry, but I am out of this one. Do not reply to me.
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    Then, again, thank you Pete for setting the story straight. It bothered me at the time when I saw Speedfreeks reaction, but I could not reply.
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    I'm all for second chances, but it seems like the problem here is fundamental. It's not a misunderstanding or an angry post. It's a guy who has no control whatsoever over his emotional state. I don't think letting him back will end well. Good person or not, he's just not stable.
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    I will never understand the human condition. This is why I prefer dogs.
    Is the supply of them here what maintains your interest level? Ha! jocular
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    I've been a mod on a discussion board and a guide in an MMORPG. I quickly developed a reputation for being a ruthless tyrant and no one wanted to be my friend. I just stick to participating now.
    Your "map" is suggestive of why. joc
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    I will never understand the human condition. This is why I prefer dogs.
    Is the supply of them here what maintains your interest level? Ha! jocular
    That was ruff.
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    I never said anything you suggest. I don't understand why you said this? I never suggested that bullying is what you are stating it as such here. Please don't put words in my mouth.
    You're right. Considering I knew I was the one PMB was talking about, when you said, "Internet bullying of someone who seems like a sweet man," my hackles were raised. I probably read more into it than you had intended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
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    I've been a mod on a discussion board and a guide in an MMORPG. I quickly developed a reputation for being a ruthless tyrant and no one wanted to be my friend. I just stick to participating now.
    it's lonely at the top, as they say!

    interesting, that was your experience. was it an unruly message forum, would you say? some boards can 'self moderate' more than others...but if you have a lot of jerks in one spot...eek.
    I think I'm a pretty nice person, but I don't tolerate disrespect or rudeness very well at all. The forum I was on was a car forum and it could get pretty out of hand pretty quick. Working as a guide for EQ was miserable because that game was filled with people hacking accounts, exploiting bugs, and just being downright awful. The majority of responses I made were simply, "Person A stole monster B from me and looted item C! I demand a copy of item C!". Ugh.

    I have a healthy respect for mods, but I also have a very small window of tolerance when it comes to certain attitudes. It's one thing if someone blows up in a heated debate, but it's quite another when a person has a pattern of behavior that doesn't work with forum rules. People don't change.
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