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  1. #1 Lets not Mince words here. On a need to know basis try thr current Trash Can Forum. 
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    I believe half of all Threads and three quarters of all postes shoild end up in the Trash Can. We need a larger Trash Can. How long can we go on playing knuckle jacks when we would be better off constructing new model wheelchairs with Railway Trolly type over chest pull push hydraulic geared effotless mobility and directional steering co-ordinates. Slurp slurp slurp, are you going to continue wasting your time and everybodys elses time on meaningless gibberish, slurp, slurp, slurp, or are you going to take back your brain? westwind.


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    Take back my brain?
    The last time i lost that thing, my ears collapsed to the center of my skull, my glasses fell off, and I was blind as well as stupid.
    Speaking of which, I'm having a little trouble seeing this morning. I don't suppose you've seen that silly thing lying about anywhere?


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    So sculptor it was your brain that was keeping your ears apart? How is it then that the Brain has not established a separate Annex, or several, in case of such an emergency? Now. no one can say with certainty why humans only have one Brain. This is a bit of a conumbrian. A craniel Conumbrian. Bt having the Brain located between the ears and behind the eyes must have been the best possible design from a connection point of view. By the way, what is the speed of sight? A car has it's headlights at the front. Windows open at the side so sound can enter. Food goes in at the frontal position, the face, or the Engine compartment, digesting it into energy to provide mobility through the Gut, the gearbox, in this situation, so that the legs can get moving, as in transmission and rear axle drive.

    All these are basic efficient mechanical design features. It wouldn't do to have headlights operating from your Buttocks. Any fool can understand that. So how come ChatBox Logic always appears as Exhaust Fumes? Well, except for Lynx Fox, who is very supportive of my attempts to unravel the Synapsis and still to be wired up electrical neurons on the Main Switchboard of post pubescent young adults who talk to each otherin monosyballs to save having to assemble three words together? Still, I feel there is an argument to have at least two Brain ANNEXES, two command centres so to speak. As to where I would locate them? In my case, my ear lobes would provide plenty of room, and still leave room for some tear drop earings. westwind.
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    did a photosensitive cell eventually build the brain cause it needed something to do with it's information?
    or
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    Dear sculptor.. Were you thinking of old information or new information? The actual Design of the Brain is Amazing, or bloody stupid.OK OK !! Isay stupid because somebody has gone to one hell of a lot of trouble convoluting convolutes into compartmental size Mazes packed like small sardines or needles in haystacks.. Great Spacial, Molecular compactness, underground metro services, electrical exchange centres, terminisus for random travelling senses that carry messages across the whole system and then the tempory power out system while you are running from an enraged Brown Bear.

    sculptor, old information must take up a lot of hard drive in our brains. Information like eg: Stinging nettles sting "" The Command Centre of the brain must hard wire this in. So we do not get stung again. But if we are in a Pub and a stranger gives us something special to back at a certain Race Meeting, given verbally while in our cups, why is it, although the stranger has impressed us with the possibility that there was every chance that we could make our fortune, our Command Centre decides to send this to the Trash Forum? And we forget to place money on a 25/1 Winner.?"?

    The other thing is we seem to be over compacity. Too much available infrastructure. Underutilised Infrastructure. The Brain, by design, seems capable of much more problem solving capability, a lot of Empty Beds in closed off Wards?? Why are we not using this extra capacity?/ What is it that we are not cognitious of?? Is there a Future need for this unused capacity of our Mind. Or is it that we haven't found the Key to unlock a whole overiding purpose of our Knowing capacity.??? Have we advanced as far as we were designed to? Are there Appendixs or tail bones or male nipples that are no longer needed?? Or haven't we hit the right combination in our breeding selectivity to develope or start the super human race?? westwind.
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    Im my view the Trash Can is the most important sub-forum on this site.

    Why? In it foolish ideas are proposed by persons lacking in intellect, education, or both. The novelty of these ideas attracts the scientific neophyte. The ideas are then systematically dismantled by knowledgeable members. Neophyte lurkers thereby receive an education in the scientific method, logical thinking and the current state of scientific knowledge.

    I think that's truly wonderful.
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    When I was at the academies, it was commonly claimed that we used a small percentage of our brains(10% was an oft used #).
    And most brain functions were determined/defined by studying people who had different cranial injuries
    or by injecting radioactive dies and scanning for them
    Then came simple brain wave analisys by testing for certain wave patterns from sensors attached to the skin covering the brain case.
    Then came the ability to see different parts of the brain light up in response to different stimuli.

    And all the old hogwash---"conventional wisdom"
    was flushed down the toilet
    but still remained in the memory circuits of the missled, wrongly educated masses(myself included)

    The question isn't so much whether we are utilizing the full brain, but rather how much is wasted by nonsense.
    Some days, and old song, or comercial tune will manifest itself and play over and over and over in my memories
    displacing much of the knowledge intake of current stimuli.

    While I have worked with several people who seemed to prefer not to think, many of these had peculiar stray bits of knowledge which I found enlightening, and many had much better coordination.
    As a current example, I am re-roofing my house and shop with steel shingles, and, over the house part, there is a main 12:12 roof with 2 intersecting 6:12 roofs. 3 different helpers had I who didn't understand that while starting the main roof shinles on the one side of the intersecting roof was rather straight forward, and the claimed 12" coverage was just "nominal", the other side needed to be extrapolated down from the level achieved on the first side. 2 of these helpers even rebelled when I asked them to measure from the bottom up, and top down and snap and dray level lines from which I could determine the need height of the first shinlge on the other side of the roof. ... so, I laid them off, and did it myself, because I could "see" that the first step on the one side had to be determined by the later steps on the first side. Simple spacial referencing for me, but wholly beyond their comprehension.

    Much of what we "know" is based on what we have learned. and Much of what we have learned is just wrong. So much of what we imagine/invision is clouded by previously acquired garbage (pseudo knowledge).
    ergo
    my oftused
    "whither hence"
    westwind and question for you like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    W.W.
    When I was at the academies, it was commonly claimed that we used a small percentage of our brains(10% was an oft used #).
    And most brain functions were determined/defined by studying people who had different cranial injuries
    or by injecting radioactive dies and scanning for them
    Then came simple brain wave analisys by testing for certain wave patterns from sensors attached to the skin covering the brain case.
    Then came the ability to see different parts of the brain light up in response to different stimuli.

    And all the old hogwash---"conventional wisdom"
    Actually, the supposed claim that we use only 10% of our brains was never more than a myth perpetuated by poor reporting. The story actually goes like this: A study was done which attempted to map certain functions to certain parts of the brain. Now at the time, the only functions they could map were those that dealt with how the brain interfaced with the outside word (sensory data, motor function). The result was that they could map ~20% of the brain to these types of functions. Now it is important to note that they never claimed that this showed that we only used this much of our brain, because they were quite aware that they weren't mapping the cognitive functions.

    However, when the press got done with the story, it became "Study show that we only use 20% of our brains", and this is what filtered through to the public. With the retelling, the percentage dropped to 10%

    So it was never "conventional wisdom" that said we only used 10% of our brains, it was only a common misconception among laypeople.
    "Men are apt to mistake the strength of their feelings for the strength of their argument.
    The heated mind resents the chill touch & relentless scrutiny of logic"-W.E. Gladstone


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    For John Galt. Hi John. Neophyte lurkers? This is inspirational, but fancy lurking Neophytes having to rely on their Scientific Methods by delving in the Trash Can Sub Forum? And how can an Idea be novel ? There are 3.5 Billion people thinking up ideas every day, 24/7. Seldom do I stumble upon a novel one. No John, it is not the Novelety of the idea, it is the presentation of the Science behind the idea that has gleaned a basic truth suitable for Neophyte lurkers to take on board. It takes a very experienced Neophyte lurker indeed to be able to present a novel idea that contains a molecule of usefullness. westwind.
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    You seem to have missed my point. A lurker, neophyte or veteran, will not be introducing ideas, novel, or established. Never. Ever. If they did they would no longer be lurkers.

    Some persons, whose sanity, intelligence, or education I strongly suspect to be sub-standard will introduce weird ideas. These ideas will either be entirely novel, or more likely, novel to the lurker. The novelty interests them. The refutation of the novelty by persons whose sanity, intelligence and education are not sub-standard, will thereby educate the lurkers.

    I hope that is clearer. Is that elitist? I certainly hope so.
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    as/re the (10% was an oft used #).
    upon reflection, i probably got that the same way and place I got my switch-blade knife.

    That being said: claimed percentages of something that has not been thoroughly understood nor measured are still fantasies, illusions, and wild guesses.
    (which was the point I was trying to make)
    shades of L. Ron Hubbard?
    How does one rid oneself of recurring memories best left in the dust bin? What percentage of our capacity are they miss-using?
    How much memory do emotional memories use?
    How are memories sorted and stored?---Following on,: how are memories retrieved?
    How did I ever wander off on this tangent?
    and
    Why?
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    Posts that end up in the trash can should be locked, to stop the utter stupidity of it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by westwind View Post
    I believe half of all Threads and three quarters of all postes shoild end up in the Trash Can. We need a larger Trash Can. How long can we go on playing knuckle jacks when we would be better off constructing new model wheelchairs with Railway Trolly type over chest pull push hydraulic geared effotless mobility and directional steering co-ordinates. Slurp slurp slurp, are you going to continue wasting your time and everybodys elses time on meaningless gibberish, slurp, slurp, slurp, or are you going to take back your brain? westwind.

    How do we decide which threads are worth keeping and still actually have something worthwhile to discuss, I mean when a thread has had like 500+ posts how much more really could there be to discuss, you've got to feel at some stage you just end up going over old ground.
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    I don't think the trash can is visible to people who are not logged in. Thus, most of the lurkers are missing out.

    Also, the "debunking" is still pretty mild in the trash can. There is no Wyatt Earp at this point with the necessary combination of knowledge base and dry wit. It seems like the types who stand in front of classrooms might have this skill because they teach and learn some "stand up" along the way.

    On the one hand, some of the "debunking" that was here in the old days was hilarious. On the other hand, it made some (like me) afraid to ask a question.
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