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    So, why do you think semites are entitled to be free from criticism? I am disturbed to see this forum does not permit free discussion of the conduct of semites in the world. Since when are semites angels who never foster dissension or cannot be challenged as influencing people or political events negatively?


     

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    You can criticize Jews, or members of any other ethnic group, for their individual actions. When you make bigoted generalizations and spout conspiracy theories about Jews, or any other ethnic group, you have crossed the line.


     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    You can criticize Jews, or members of any other ethnic group, for their individual actions. When you make bigoted generalizations and spout conspiracy theories about Jews, or any other ethnic group, you have crossed the line.
    Semites as a group are not entitled either to be free from criticism any more than individuals; especially when they act most mostly in concerted action on particular issues. Whether you think that's 'bigoted' or not I don't give a damn. Also, I wasn't making any conspiracy theories but since when is a theory of conspiracy crossing the line? You are the one who seems bigoted against any other race that criticizes semites.
     

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    No politicking here huh?

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    Anti-semitism isn't accepted in this forum. You might not like that but have little choice other than accept it or find another forum. Moving this to site feedback as well.

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    well, fortunately a lot of of people are waking to this fact and trying to block it will only make people more aware.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by ballyhoo View Post
    Whether you think that's 'bigoted' or not I don't give a damn.
    You will have to start giving a damn if you wish to remain a member of the forum. Last warning.
     

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    I am gobsmacked.
    Absolutely disgraceful
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
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    Whether you think that's 'bigoted' or not I don't give a damn.
    You will have to start giving a damn if you wish to remain a member of the forum. Last warning.
    I don't give a damn about your warnings either!
     

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    Where would he get such a list of Jews anyway? Sheesh...
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    Whats it a list of? nobel prize winners? Wheres the list of non Jewish?

    What is 'site feedbak'?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    You can criticize Jews, or members of any other ethnic group, for their individual actions. When you make bigoted generalizations and spout conspiracy theories about Jews, or any other ethnic group, you have crossed the line.
    What if a conspiracy formed which was exclusively composed of Jews? Not saying all Jews are members. Not even saying that 0.00000000000001% of the Jewish population are members. But 100% of the members are Jews.

    Would it be racist to refer to that organization as "Jewish"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    You can criticize Jews, or members of any other ethnic group, for their individual actions. When you make bigoted generalizations and spout conspiracy theories about Jews, or any other ethnic group, you have crossed the line.
    What if a conspiracy formed which was exclusively composed of Jews? Not saying all Jews are members. Not even saying that 0.00000000000001% of the Jewish population are members. But 100% of the members are Jews.

    Would it be racist to refer to that organization as "Jewish"?
    You know what I was referring to. Don't be a nitpicker.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by question for you View Post
    Whats it a list of? nobel prize winners? Wheres the list of non Jewish?

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    Site feedback is the sub-forum where this post was moved to, as the appropriate place to put comments regarding the moderation of the forum. The list posted by former member Ballyhoo is list of Jewish Nobel prize winners. The list of non-jewish winners would consist of the list of all nobel prize winners, minus that list. List of Nobel laureates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    As of 2011, 826 individuals and 20 organizations have been awarded a Nobel Prize
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    You can criticize Jews, or members of any other ethnic group, for their individual actions. When you make bigoted generalizations and spout conspiracy theories about Jews, or any other ethnic group, you have crossed the line.
    What if a conspiracy formed which was exclusively composed of Jews? Not saying all Jews are members. Not even saying that 0.00000000000001% of the Jewish population are members. But 100% of the members are Jews.

    Would it be racist to refer to that organization as "Jewish"?
    You know what I was referring to. Don't be a nitpicker.
    Perhaps, but I think often when people refer to a "Jewish Conspiracy", they are referring to something that is very real, and answers to my description. Probably 99.9999% of Jewish people are not members of it and know nothing of it, but it is exclusively composed of Jews.

    Things like that happen. Most white people aren't neo-nazis either, but pretty much all neo-nazis are white. It's fair to say that neo-nazism is a white conspiracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax View Post
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    You can criticize Jews, or members of any other ethnic group, for their individual actions. When you make bigoted generalizations and spout conspiracy theories about Jews, or any other ethnic group, you have crossed the line.
    What if a conspiracy formed which was exclusively composed of Jews? Not saying all Jews are members. Not even saying that 0.00000000000001% of the Jewish population are members. But 100% of the members are Jews.

    Would it be racist to refer to that organization as "Jewish"?
    You know what I was referring to. Don't be a nitpicker.
    Perhaps, but I think often when people refer to a "Jewish Conspiracy", they are referring to something that is very real, and answers to my description. Probably 99.9999% of Jewish people are not members of it and know nothing of it, but it is exclusively composed of Jews.

    Things like that happen. Most white people aren't neo-nazis either, but pretty much all neo-nazis are white. It's fair to say that neo-nazism is a white conspiracy.
    You can't just say Jewish or White conspiracy, you have to qualify it further or it looks like you imply the kind of thing Harold is talking about. You have to say neo-nazi conspiracy or Islamic extremist agenda and such. Just to say Jewish or White conspiracy tells you nothing, other than that a bunch (possibly all) of whites or Jews are conspiring and that has a racist bent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ballyhoo View Post
    I don't give a damn about your warnings either!
    Another minor macho figure!
    Hopefully you will have to stay in your pram for some considerable time.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax View Post
    Perhaps, but I think often when people refer to a "Jewish Conspiracy", they are referring to something that is very real, and answers to my description. Probably 99.9999% of Jewish people are not members of it and know nothing of it, but it is exclusively composed of Jews.
    Do tell.
    Things like that happen. Most white people aren't neo-nazis either, but pretty much all neo-nazis are white. It's fair to say that neo-nazism is a white conspiracy.
    No, it isn't fair to say that.
     

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    This is a hot topic... has been for some time I imagine. I think there is a need to discuss the matter openly. Maybe thats because I believe honesty is the best policy.

    It is ofcourse important that wild generalisations are not made.

    But the OP makes a valid point IMO... We are forever talking about 'the catholics' during the dark ages, 'the christians', we talk about cannabalistic tribesmen as if it's the norm... so it is unusual that extra seneitivity is given to 'the Jews'. There is even a special word for anybody who criticises judaism: 'anti semites'. Is there a word for anybody who is anti any other religion? I doubt it. Do we have uproar anytime an atheist calls christians irrational or stupid? no.

    We all know about Nazism, or at least we know what the papers tell us... and it is wrong to generalise. But the Jewish church if there is one, and religion should be as open to criticism as any other... and if it's found that it is conspiring then each individual who supports it will be also open to criticism to an extent, depending on there involvement with alleged conspiracy.

    Personally I don't want to say anything to make jewish people feel like the world is against them, because I dont think it is or should be. I think the anti semite propergander is part of the mechanism that keeps divisions among people, or unity among groups, depending on how you want to see it. We shouldn't be divided. Those who want to run the world seem to want divisions, ordinary people living there lives would rather unity i'm sure.

    So lets all stop being pawns in the game and lets show respect to each other and each others views, and if there are tiny minorities of people manipulating us all then lets rat them out together... and not defend them purely because they apparently follow the same religion as us.

    We shouldn't have such a hostile reaction everytime a Jewish conspiracy is mentioned... Every power group conspires. It's what they do.

    Just to clarify my stance: I don't blame anybody for anything, lets get together and make it better. We don't need this old system anymore. Yes, i'm a dreamer.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by question for you View Post
    so it is unusual that extra seneitivity is given to 'the Jews'.
    Extra sensitivity should be given. Anti-Semitism has a long and disreputable history in many places around the world. It didn't start with Hitler nor did it end with Hitler.
    There is even a special word for anybody who criticises judaism: 'anti semites'. Is there a word for anybody who is anti any other religion? I doubt it.
    How about "Islamophobe."
    Do we have uproar anytime an atheist calls christians irrational or stupid? no.
    The anti-Christian attitude bothers me as well.
    We shouldn't have such a hostile reaction everytime a Jewish conspiracy is mentioned... Every power group conspires. It's what they do.
    What are you referring to? Which Jewish conspiracies are there?
     

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    Islamophobia... that was started by the CIA wasn't it? I bet thats a recent phenomena... oh an for bigots of christians the word would be antichrist I geuss.

    Harold if there was a conspiracy, do you think i'd know the name of it?

    One group that has a lot of stuff written about them or by them are the zionists bankers... How much of it is true I would have no idea.

    The jews have a lot of history for sure...

    They are the choosen ones according their their religion right, So being a Jew, it seems natural to beleive God favours you over other religions right?

    I think all the anti Jew propergander just serves to help unite the choosen ones against the rest... Having history which makes everybody feel they cannot question the religion without being racist or anti semite would allow for semites or people disguised as semites to operate unquestioned and unchallenged.

    I don't know anything about hitler except what I read and see in media which seems to be owned by... Jewish folks. For all I know hitler was reared into an anti semite by some people who wanted to make semitism unquestionable. For all I know al queda was funded and trained by the CIA. I simply don't have access to the answers.

    Can I just add that when I see 'ordinary' Jewish people on T.V... I think they seem very decent. Just because powers that be want to call themselves Jews and zionists... that doesn't suggest to me that normal Jewish folks are knowingly part of a global control conspiracy. Even if they are, I hope they have our best interests at heart.

    It's all pretty obvious that 'The Jews' are the choosen ones... For me, that doesn't necesarily make individual Jews responsible for the system they are a part of, we are a part of.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by question for you View Post

    But the OP makes a valid point IMO... We are forever talking about 'the catholics' during the dark ages, 'the christians', we talk about cannabalistic tribesmen as if it's the norm... so it is unusual that extra seneitivity is given to 'the Jews'. There is even a special word for anybody who criticises judaism: 'anti semites'. Is there a word for anybody who is anti any other religion? I doubt it. Do we have uproar anytime an atheist calls christians irrational or stupid? no.
    The OP's point and whole tone is offensive and was always going to cause offense, if he wasn't intelligent enough to know that then nothing he he had to say was worth reading anyway. The Jewish are still living in the shadow of one of the worst atrocities in human history, relatively speaking it happened not that long ago still in living memory for some and others still living with the consequences. The shear scale of horror that befel an entire race of people is still difficult to imagine a horror that should never be forgotten or repeated , this started from the idea that a single race of people were collectively responsible for the all the ills of a nation.

    Is it really any wonder that people find even the mere thought that that idea should be once again be allowed to propagate offensive?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisgorlitz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by question for you View Post

    But the OP makes a valid point IMO... We are forever talking about 'the catholics' during the dark ages, 'the christians', we talk about cannabalistic tribesmen as if it's the norm... so it is unusual that extra seneitivity is given to 'the Jews'. There is even a special word for anybody who criticises judaism: 'anti semites'. Is there a word for anybody who is anti any other religion? I doubt it. Do we have uproar anytime an atheist calls christians irrational or stupid? no.
    The OP's point and whole tone is offensive and was always going to cause offense, if he wasn't intelligent enough to know that then nothing he he had to say was worth reading anyway. The Jewish are still living in the shadow of one of the worst atrocities in human history, relatively speaking it happened not that long ago still in living memory for some and others still living with the consequences. The shear scale of horror that befel an entire race of people is still difficult to imagine a horror that should never be forgotten or repeated , this started from the idea that a single race of people were collectively responsible for the all the ills of a nation.

    Is it really any wonder that people find even the mere thought that that idea should be once again be allowed to propagate offensive?
    Yes, i'm aware of all that.

    It is no wonder at all that we cannot question judaism... it's obvious that an atrocity like that is going to make even the most manipulative shite in the world imune to criticism.

    The tone of the OP could have been better, but it could have been worse... it's obvious that the OP has there opinion already. It's obvious that most of us have our opinions already. I think the challenge is to discuss the facts of the matter without an irrational reaction from either side.

    Both sides of the debate seem predjudice to me. lets hear the facts before we make judgments.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by question for you View Post
    Both sides of the debate seem predjudice to me. lets hear the facts before we make judgments.
    Which facts do you think need to be aired? Do you have any facts, or do you wish to just continue with innuendo?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
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    Both sides of the debate seem predjudice to me. lets hear the facts before we make judgments.
    Which facts do you think need to be aired? Do you have any facts, or do you wish to just continue with innuendo?
    Which part of my comment do you describe as inuendo?

    Sorry, i'm familliar with sexual innuendo but I have no idea why you accuse me of using innuendo in this case.

    I would consider all facts as needing to be aired... if I had them all I wouldn't want to hear them would I? Do you have any facts?

    One fact I have is that there is some anti semitic material out there which causes non Jews to suspect Jews... the facts I don't have but have already expressed a desire to know (were you paying attention?), are facts like 'who wrote the material'? can it be proved or disproved? Why do we have this system in which people are seperated by their religious beleifs? How and when did the system start? I could go on and on... thats just a few to get you started.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    Which Jewish conspiracies are there?
    The formation of the state of Israel was a brilliant process that involved much politics and manipulation to the extent that one might apply the term conspiracy.
     

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    Also the forming of a religion that has survived for such a long time might also be considered a conspiracy... unless you're completely ignorant of what the word conspiracy means? Perhaps you have been conditioned to associate the word conspiracy with something much more specific than what it actually means?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by question for you View Post
    Which part of my comment do you describe as inuendo?
    You mentioned the Jewish control of the news media, implying that the Jews in the media are hiding something. You referred to some "manipulative shite" that you think could be going on because Jews are supposedly immune to criticism. You mentioned that Jews refer to themselves as the "chosen people" which you think signifies something (perhaps that they stick together to benefit themselves over others?). You referred to tiny minorities that may be manipulating us all. Who do you think these tiny minorities might be?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
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    Which part of my comment do you describe as inuendo?
    You mentioned the Jewish control of the news media, implying that the Jews in the media are hiding something. You referred to some "manipulative shite" that you think could be going on because Jews are supposedly immune to criticism. You mentioned that Jews refer to themselves as the "chosen people" which you think signifies something (perhaps that they stick together to benefit themselves over others?). You referred to tiny minorities that may be manipulating us all. Who do you think these tiny minorities might be?
    None of this is in the comment you quoted and suggested was innuendo.

    I implied that I do not know the whole story about hitler, and only know what is told in the apparently Jewish dominated media. We all know the media does and always has been the source of propergander... the fact that Jews control the media implies that those Jews use propergander, not I. Why are you trying to imply that I have said something untoward? are you Jewish? This is not innuendo.

    The imaginary, hyperthetical manipulative shite refers to an individual who could imunise him/herself from critique by hiding behind a cloak of Jewishness... as we are not allowed to question the Jews according to some. This is not innuendo.

    Mentioning that Jewish religion teaches the Jews are the chosen people does not mean I imply this is why they might stick together... I implied Jewish people stick together due to anti semitic propagander... This is not innuendo.

    I already gave mention to one group who it is claimed are manipulating things... The name is already given (you really are not paying attention today harold).

    I answered your last question and you seem to have completely ignored what I said and instead referred my to a load of refferences I aledgedly made... How about you get over trying to paint me as a master of 'innuendo' and instead discuss the points raised which I see no point in repeating... I don't see what I have said that would cause offence to any reasonable minded people unless they are guilty and what has been said in this thread is correct.

    I have tried to approach this from an unbiased angle, simply wanting to hear the truth or facts that are known... if you have some preconcieved opinion that you want to enforce onto others by accusing them of innuendo and racism and such, then save it for somebodyelse, as i'm not interested.

    I don't like the way you take a snippet and focus on that whilst ignoring every other comment... it's not impressive in a rational conversation regarding the state of things.

    To ask me questions then ignore the answers given is not great.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
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    Which Jewish conspiracies are there?
    The formation of the state of Israel was a brilliant process that involved much politics and manipulation to the extent that one might apply the term conspiracy.
    The formation of Israel wasn't' against the law--so it would be hard to call it a conspiracy.

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    But to bring this back to the point of the policy, is ballyhoo started making broad brush statement condemning Jews and their story without presenting any facts whatsoever. This forum often entertains controversial issues and discussions, sometimes even related to Nazi attrocities--most recently we had a pretty good discussion that walked through the specific timeline of German oppression and the sometimes counterproductive reaction by prominent Jewish groups--it cited news articles, delt with specific laws passes, and reactions by some Jewish groups and leaders including specific strikes and similar events. What it didn't do, and where we draw the line, is making broad sweeping condemnations, or generalizations without credible evidence. And yes, some topics are so sensitive that they get more scrutiny than other topics. Straight anti-semitism is out. Likewise, comments that could be taken as anti-semetic should be done carefully and respectfully with best effort to narrow the discussion to specifics and credible supported facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    Which Jewish conspiracies are there?
    The formation of the state of Israel was a brilliant process that involved much politics and manipulation to the extent that one might apply the term conspiracy.
    The formation of Israel wasn't' against the law--so it would be hard to call it a conspiracy.

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    But to bring this back to the point of the policy, is ballyhoo started making broad brush statement condemning Jews and their story without presenting any facts whatsoever. This forum often entertains controversial issues and discussions, sometimes even related to Nazi attrocities--most recently we had a pretty good discussion that walked through the specific timeline of German oppression and the sometimes counterproductive reaction by prominent Jewish groups--it cited news articles, delt with specific laws passes, and reactions by some Jewish groups and leaders including specific strikes and similar events. What it didn't do, and where we draw the line, is making broad sweeping condemnations, or generalizations without credible evidence. And yes, some topics are so sensitive that they get more scrutiny than other topics, anti-semitism in one of those topics.
    Yes I understand all of that. I agree the members of this site do tackle touchy subjects pretty well. I agree sweeping generalisations don't help and should be avioded.

    The definition of conspiracy is not confined to lawless, it's also treacherous and evil deeds etc. these can be within the law.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    The formation of Israel wasn't' against the law--so it would be hard to call it a conspiracy.
    My knowledge of this period is neither recent nor comprehensive, but my impression is distinct that there was a great deal of manipluation by governments and others to 'connive' in the creation of the Israeli state. Much of this was kept hidden from public view.
     

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    So, have you done an analysis of the overall ratio of Jewish scientists to non-Jewish scientists? Perhaps there are proportionally more Jewish scientists - hence this would be reflected in the Nobel prizes. Then the question would change from why are there so many Jewish Nobel winners to why are there so many Jewish scientists.

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    yes, I am familiar with the community and clearly there are far more non-semite/jew scientists than jewish scientists. Also, because they are deleting my posts about the evidence that is why you aren't seeing it. good question to ask though.
    Brazil has won the world cup 5 times, does that mean there's something funny going on? Or might it mean they had good players? Statistical differences and anomalies pop up all the time. Also you seem to have ignored every other aspect of the winners themselves and focused entirely on whether or not they were Jewish and then virtually implying they were given special treatment and more likely to have won because of this. The very first thing the Nazi's did in their propaganda war against the Jewish was to seed the idea that they recieved special treatment to the detriment of the non Jewish.

    You have not presented one shred of evidence that each of the Jewish winners didn't deserve their nobel prize, there your whole argument comes accross as a bigoted rant of no substance other than to make insinuations about the deservedness of noble prize winners based on their Jewishness.
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