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  1. #1 Harold14370 unfit as moderator 
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    Please forgive me that english isn't my first languabe, hope my skills are sufficient.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370
    Here is something specific about my moderation duties. I think your contributions to scientific discussions are weak, and your posting style is confrontational. In short, I have you pegged as a crackpot. Consequently, your future posts will be under considerable scrutiny.
    I would like to express my dismay with the moderator Harold14370 how he rudely and over zealous protects Dr Rocket in a very comradery and favoritistic way, in a series of private messages to me.

    I've left this site many years ago because of this general rude behaviour from both moderators and members, with the new owner of the site, I had hoped for better times, which seeems unchanged. But if things indeed has changed, I would request that Harold14370 are removed from moderator duties.

    Thanks.


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    I haven't been here that long, so don't know your previous incarnation, but in this one it is YOU who has been rude, pointless, and generally disruptive with no scientific foundation for your claims. So if Harold is making an effort to avoid having to ban you, you should appreciate it and listen to his advice. I would not be as patient as he.


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    I doubt Dr Rocket needs any "protection". Any apparent "favoritism" is likely due to the fact that Doc Rocket knows what he is talking about so the moderators are almost certain to support him vs. random speculation.
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    I find Harold's political beliefs to be quite contrary to mine to the point that he can, on occassion, enrage me. In contrast I have found his moderation to be fair, balanced and sensible.

    Hexhammer, I believe the quote of Harold's you put in your opening post came from a private message from him to you. This is a very bad thing. On internet forums you do not, ever publicly quote from another's private message. This is considered rude.

    I understand, in a small way, the difficulties you face writing in a foreign language. However, some of your statements do come across as wrong. It as if you have not thought through the conequences of the statements. Also some of your remarks are contradictory. For example, you criticised people in one post for making absolute statements based on theory, yet your posts are filled with absolute statements.
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    Hexhammer,
    I don't understand your obsession with DrRocket. He is no longer an active member of the forum, which has already been explained to you. Do you want us to ban somebody who already left on their own? Logic is not your strong suit. That's one reason why you are on the bubble.
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    Hexhammer,
    Why are you picking old scabs. Personally I agree with you and complained about protection and the double standards applied to the some of the old timers--but that was for all intents a very different forum. It's now got new ownership and many of the folks you decided to dig into the archive about are long gone.

    So here's a not too subtle suggestion. Drop the old stuff and focus on recent events--before you bring attention to yourself and become a mod problem. (Hint Hint!).
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    Quote Originally Posted by HexHammer View Post
    Harold14370 unfit as moderator

    we agree
    he will be immediately removed from his tenure as a moderator and moved to an administrative role as punishment.

    bad bad harold!
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    It's the Dilbert Principle. The least competent employees are promoted to management positions to limit the amount of damage they are capable of doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    It's the Dilbert Principle. The least competent employees are promoted to management positions to limit the amount of damage they are capable of doing.
    I like that.

    In my company to get promoted you have to recruit your own replacement and most people are technically self employed (only senior management on salary). This means no one can really do any damage and I pretty much give a job to anyone I want, if they work out then they make alot of money if not I thank them for their efforts give them a good reference and pack them on their way.

    Also means I never have to spend anything on recruitment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    It's the Dilbert Principle. The least competent employees are promoted to management positions to limit the amount of damage they are capable of doing.
    commiserations - i know some people were calling for your head, but being made administrator seems a punishment way beyond any of your perceived misdemeanours
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    I disagree with Harold's political views but he is a good moderator.
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    What I don't get is we are all supposed to be reasonably intelligent people and yet we seem to need mods to stop us squabbling like school children and on top of keeping the mods busy, now some of us are actually slating them. Seems to me we should all grow up a bit, sure we are not always going to agree or even agree with a mods veiws or decisions but hey come on so what, just get over it, this is mean't to be fun and enlightening!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisgorlitz View Post
    on top of keeping the mods busy, now some of us are actually slating them.
    Don't worry about us. We have thick skins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisgorlitz View Post
    Also means I never have to spend anything on recruitment.
    I know this is off topic, but you are assuredly spending a considerable amount on recruitment, since you have to take your time to make the selection and if they do not work out youhave the costs of their failure.
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    I'm not a "member" but merely a guest invited to participate at the forum owner's pleasure, and when my participation no longer pleases the owner and/or appointees, I can no longer participate. This is not baseball; we don't have an absolute right to boo the refs; we didn't pay to get in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisgorlitz View Post
    Also means I never have to spend anything on recruitment.
    I know this is off topic, but you are assuredly spending a considerable amount on recruitment, since you have to take your time to make the selection and if they do not work out youhave the costs of their failure.
    The company is on autopilot, maybe does require some effort on my part to find new recruits, but really it just boils down to finding anyone I think has a brain, is trustworthy and lives in an area we don't already cover. Not exactly brain surgery and it passes the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisgorlitz View Post
    In my company to get promoted you have to recruit your own replacement and most people are technically self employed (only senior management on salary).
    I've never heard of this before. Is this common? What kind of product or service does your company provide?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrmonroe View Post
    I'm not a "member" but merely a guest invited to participate at the forum owner's pleasure, and when my participation no longer pleases the owner and/or appointees, I can no longer participate. This is not baseball; we don't have an absolute right to boo the refs; we didn't pay to get in.
    This is true, but on the other hand, the members are also the product - the reason why other members and lurkers want to visit the site. Without other knowledgeable and/or interesting members, the site is pretty much worthless. So, it wouldn't do to get too many of them angry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrmonroe View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisgorlitz View Post
    In my company to get promoted you have to recruit your own replacement and most people are technically self employed (only senior management on salary).
    I've never heard of this before. Is this common? What kind of product or service does your company provide?
    No this is not common, we are a recruitment company that finds jobs for people or creates jobs if none exist their area.
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    Harold14370, now that we're on the subject, and I don't think this is too far afield, why does someone buy/create a forum, especially a forum like this one that doesn't have advertising? I can see having a forum that generates revenue, but a forum like this one?

    Is it an act of entrepreneurship? To develop it to the point that it's "successful" enough to add advertising (and thus generate revenue), or to improve it to sell it for a price greater than when it was bought? Or do some people do this merely as a hobby, as this seems to be?

    Can you enlighten us as to the approximate costs of owning/running forums?

    (Please feel free to make this a separate thread if appropriate.)
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    I, for one, run it as a hobby. The site does have ads which are shown only to guest visitors. It pays for its hosting, domain and occasional tech support.

    Costs:

    - Domain : $10 per year
    - Hosting : $600 per year (for an entry level VPS)
    - Tech support and opportunity cost (for me) : $2,500 per year (will vary person to person)

    Setting up a forum is easy. Bringing activity to it is VERY TOUGH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    I doubt Dr Rocket needs any "protection". Any apparent "favoritism" is likely due to the fact that Doc Rocket knows what he is talking about so the moderators are almost certain to support him vs. random speculation.
    I agree. There are few people here more knowledgeable than DrRocket.
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