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    I want to make a couple of suggestions for changes to how Moderation is done on thescienceforum.com

    Moderation warnings or notice of actions be clearly made within the Thread in question.
    Moderation warnings or notice of actions be made visibly and clearly distinguishable from ordinary posts.
    Appeals against such actions be promptly acknowledged by Admin, regardless of the eventual decision.

    I think this would have short-circuited much of the 'excessive whining' that was one of the reasons I was banned for a few days.

    It didn't help that my appeals to the webmaster via 'contact us' went missing and it looked to me that my appeal was being ignored. And, I have to admit, that my own understanding of the protocols for complaint were lacking.

    Like many others who participate on this forum, I am passionate about the issues I want to discuss and won't apologise for that. My posting of a private message crossed the line though. I deeply regret it and have apologised to the person in question.

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    Dear Admin, Sorry, one more issue - and with 'contact us' having problems I'll mention it here to be sure -

    My Private Messages page has a Sent Items folder. It continues to show as empty, despite having sent a few private messages lately. I didn't think to save those messages outside the Forum site. Are they lost? Sounds like there are some technical problems going on.


     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Fabos View Post
    Moderation warnings or notice of actions be clearly made within the Thread in question.
    Moderation warnings or notice of actions be made visibly and clearly distinguishable from ordinary posts.
    Appeals against such actions be promptly acknowledged by Admin, regardless of the eventual decision.
    as moderators we've taken it as a convention for this forum that comments made with our moderator hat on come in bold and blue

    as for sent PMs not being stored, they're not stored by default, but i'm sure there's a tick box which, when checked, places your PM in the sent box
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    MarnixR @3 - unfortunately that Bold and Blue convention was not followed in my case until Lynx Fox used it to close the thread. I'll look for that check box, thanks.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Fabos View Post
    MarnixR @3 - unfortunately that Bold and Blue convention was not followed in my case until Lynx Fox used it to close the thread. I'll look for that check box, thanks.
    Are you ever going to quit whining about this, Ken?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Fabos View Post
    MarnixR @3 - unfortunately that Bold and Blue convention was not followed in my case until Lynx Fox used it to close the thread. I'll look for that check box, thanks.
    Are you ever going to quit whining about this, Ken?
    Is the function of moderators to facilitate the exchange of views on the forum, in part by responding to the concerns of their customers, or is it to impose a uniformity of thought and action by ridicule or condemnation?

    Note: Accussations of application of a false dichotomy may be true but will screw up the rhetoric.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Is the function of moderators to facilitate the exchange of views on the forum, in part by responding to the concerns of their customers, or is it to impose a uniformity of thought and action by ridicule or condemnation?

    Note: Accussations of application of a false dichotomy may be true but will screw up the rhetoric.
    The function of maderators is to facilitate the exchange of views, largely by weeding out extraneous postings of little interest to the general membership (such as spam). Moderators help to improve the usability of the forum by ensuring that the posts are classified into their proper threads and subforums, so that members may choose to read threads of interest to themselves without weeding through a lot of off topic information.

    Members are encouraged to provide feedback. However, posting of multiple threads to complain about the same (trivial) issue, after the complaint has already been duly considered and responded to, is probably not a good idea.
     

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    Harold @5, maybe not until and unless you admit your contributions to the mess.

    (Edit added) I've had enough of it and won't take it any further. To quote that song I linked to in Kojax's "why can't we get along thread" - "Winning the fight won't prove that you are right, it's sad but it's true ..." and it's over.
    Last edited by Ken Fabos; December 6th, 2011 at 06:58 AM. Reason: making clear which comment referred to
     

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    Splitting off Ken Fabos' posts into a new thread - that made sense. Moving the posts to the Politics forum.... that didn't make quite so much sense. Bunbury added a really good link to one of his posts, a link that would be valuable to people interested in Environmental stuff rather than just political. It also has political use still, but it also does a good job of quantifying those "hidden costs" that Ice kept referring to without quantifying, which would have been valuable in the economics forum had the thread remained there. I just hate to see good data go to waste by getting posted in the forum people are less likely to go looking for it.


    I think Lynx and Harold feel very strongly about nuclear, and don't like to see what they feel to be unconstructive discussion, especially given Lynxs' thesis that everyone who disagrees with nuclear simply doesn't know the data or is taking a primal response instead of using their reasoning faculties. When a person knows they have a bias, they should correct for it by subjecting decisions that favor it to a stronger review than decisions that run against it. It's better to admit the problem and take action to mitigate it rather than pretend it's not there and inflict the resulting mistakes on everyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax View Post
    Splitting off Ken Fabos' posts into a new thread - that made sense. Moving the posts to the Politics forum.... that didn't make quite so much sense. Bunbury added a really good link to one of his posts, a link that would be valuable to people interested in Environmental stuff rather than just political. It also has political use still, but it also does a good job of quantifying those "hidden costs" that Ice kept referring to without quantifying, which would have been valuable in the economics forum had the thread remained there. I just hate to see good data go to waste by getting posted in the forum people are less likely to go looking for it.
    Bunbury posted on the thread after it had already been moved to politics.

    I think Lynx and Harold feel very strongly about nuclear, and don't like to see what they feel to be unconstructive discussion, especially given Lynxs' thesis that everyone who disagrees with nuclear simply doesn't know the data or is taking a primal response instead of using their reasoning faculties. When a person knows they have a bias, they should correct for it by subjecting decisions that favor it to a stronger review than decisions that run against it. It's better to admit the problem and take action to mitigate it rather than pretend it's not there and inflict the resulting mistakes on everyone else.
    What action do you want taken? Move to environmental issues? Okay, done.
     

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    Harold @10 - yes, the so called "Ken Fabos off topic" thread probably does indeed belong in Environmental Issues where it began but having it moved again, without consultation, warning or notification is something I find upsetting as well as irritating.

    I don't like being a "whiner" and that has never been my intent, but can Harold the Moderator please butt out for awhile? Harold the Participant, I have no problem with; I disagree with your opinions but I hope that we can continue to disagree and even debate with each other without resort to insult or abuse. Or resort to invoking your Moderator's authority. Lynx Fox is a participant as well as a Moderator. I think he has sufficient good judgement to know when I or others cross the lines of propriety or relevance. Can I suggest you refrain from hasty actions in future and allow the discussion to take it course?

    To Admin and Moderators - I understand now that, strictly speaking, this kind of discussion is discouraged and even considered against forum rules. I did not deliberately seek to have my concerns aired publicly this way and wish it were not so. Close this thread if you feel necessary, even delete it, if you agree amongst yourselves that it has all gone too far. I will be deeply disappointed and disillusioned if you do either, but I am, even as a Member, a guest here. It's your site and you must do as you see fit.

    Sincerely,
    Ken Fabos, Member.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Fabos View Post
    I don't like being a "whiner"
    Why not? You seem to have a talent for it.
     

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    John @12, I would much prefer you read my posts in the threads in question, from the now closed "Solar/Wind vs. Nuclear who will win" to the twice moved "Ken Fabos off topic" threads. A more complete understanding of my thinking and style requires both. A genuine debate, if passionate and wide ranging, has always been my true intent here.

    Anyway, in Australia it's Whinger not Whiner!
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Fabos View Post
    Harold @10 - yes, the so called "Ken Fabos off topic" thread probably does indeed belong in Environmental Issues where it began but having it moved again, without consultation, warning or notification is something I find upsetting as well as irritating.
    Well, I guess there is no way to make you happy. I put it in the forum you wanted it in and now you complain about that. There is a link in the politics forum that says "moved." What more do you need?
    I don't like being a "whiner" and that has never been my intent, but can Harold the Moderator please butt out for awhile?
    I had totally butted out, until Kojax came on and complained about the post being in the politics forum. What more do you people want from me?
     

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    Harold @14 - If you can't see why I am upset after all this there's no point continuing to try and explain further. Subject closed.
     

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    Subject closed.
    I am going to go ahead and close it then. Hopefully this will finally be the end of it. Harold just can't seem to put a foot right with you guys. You simply can't please some people. I am closing this for Harold's peace of mind, not yours though.
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