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    Heya y'all,

    My religion issiue was always blurry to me, I mean, I was never sure what religion I belong to (and i`m still unsure)...

    I was thinking that you guys may give me your opinion on about which religion i belong to... I`ll start with the beginning to draw a picture of meself to ya...

    I was born to a russian aurthodox-christian familly, not so religius but also no atheist.
    At the age of 2 me, my mom&dad relocated to Israel to start a new life.
    My uncle had friends at a monastery at jerusalem that agreed to let us live there (it was a greek aurtodox monastery) so I lived there until I was like 5-6 if I recall and then we left to live in a villege (modern villege offcourse) which I cant remember its name... anyways, we left it after a few more years and relocated once again to a pretty big city, ramat-gan (its a naighbouring city just outside of tel-aviv (somewhat the metropolis of israel xD)

    In anyways, thats when I decided to question my religion;
    I asked myself "Do I really belive in Jesus??"
    The answer was no, because I dont belive that he`s the "son of god" and anyway, by the torah we are all "sons of god" so how the hell is he different? and also I dont belive in worshipping another human being.
    Maybe he was a cool guy or maybe if i was back in his days he maybe could be my friend, but nothing more.

    After this I started to do the jewish mitzvas, I dunno really why I did it, maybe to not be different from me mateys, maybe cos i just belive in god or maybe just because I can(or want?)...
    I started eating cosher food only, fasting at yom-kipur, not eating bread at pesah and various jewish things that I could do without my family (by now they were already almost fully atheist (but still consider themselves as christians), i mean, the only christian holiday that they keep is christmas, besides that they are like atheist)..


    If you`ll ask me if I belive in god i`ll say yes but it is still uncertain... i mean.. what i REALLY belive in is sense, reason and justice(call me corny but thats who I am :-D ). But in these days you almost have to pick a side so what`s your opinion? which side do I belong to (if any)??

    thanks in advance,
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    You sound to me like an weak theist with Abrahamic tendencies. 8)


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    what`s a weak theist?
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    Someone who believes in God, sort of. No really strong conviction in that direction.
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    sounds about right xD
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    But in these days you almost have to pick a side
    I think you're doing OK without picking a side. Remain skeptical. You might end up with a stronger belief in God, or you might become a non-believer, or stay forever on the fence. What's more important than what you believe is how you act, and there I would suggest you don't need a priest or a rabbi or a mullah to tell you what to do.
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    Take it from me, no one can change your views, one day they might and one day they might not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunbury
    But in these days you almost have to pick a side
    I think you're doing OK without picking a side. Remain skeptical. You might end up with a stronger belief in God, or you might become a non-believer, or stay forever on the fence. What's more important than what you believe is how you act, and there I would suggest you don't need a priest or a rabbi or a mullah to tell you what to do.
    Yea exactly. Maybe you take part in the rituals of your religion just to be part of the community, nothing wrong with that. People use rituals and symbols to bond together, I guess that's how religions started in the first place. If I'm not mistaken the bar mitzwa is like a 'coming of age' event, to show a kid that he's becoming a full member of society. In this case it's a religious ritual, but non-believers also have their rituals like taking the kid on a big hiking tour to proof his toughness, etc. As long as the rituals and symbols are harmless there's no reason to reject them, regardless of whether you really believe in a god or not.
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    but you see, most of jeweish rituals that i do is not cos of the plain ritual aspect,
    for instence; eating cosher food is a very healthy thing to do as if u mix milk and meat it can cause various types of cancer n` shyt, and also, i dont like to eat pig`s meat cos i like piggys :-D

    also fasting from time to time is a good way to clease your body and just train yourself. besides, its very disrespectful to eat and drink at ur home (or outside if ure an sob) when everyone else is "dying" of thirst and hunger outside...

    btw, i see what you guys are trying to say, that i`m in control of my own religion, which is quite obvious.
    but can you guys give me YOUR prespective on about it??

    thanks,
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    it sounds like you're an emerging agnostic.
    "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt" - Bertrand Russell
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    whats this?
    (lol im sorry for my ignorence but i`m not an expert in religions so i dunno these sort of refferences xD)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuka
    whats this?
    An agnostic is know as a "fence-sitter." He neither affirms or denies the existence of God. He believes God cannot be proved nor disproved. An agnostic might be called, in my opinion, a scientist on principle, not ruling out any possibility.
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    hanuka : there is a such a thing as an agnostic atheist, you sound like to me to be an agnostic theist. You appear not sure, but your also not willing to commit to being a complete agnostic.
    A logician saves the life of a tiny space alien. The alien is very grateful and, since she's omniscient, offers the following reward: she offers to answer any question the logician might pose. Without too much thought (after all, he's a logician), he asks: "What is the best question to ask and what is the correct answer to that question?" The tiny alien pauses. Finally she replies, "The best question is the one you just asked; and the correct answer is the one I gave."
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    aye, aye!
    tanks all for the answers, i never before knew that theres even a thing thats called agnostic xD
    btw, can anyone tell me the difference between atheist and theist and how the "a" makes a difference??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuka
    btw, can anyone tell me the difference between atheist and theist and how the "a" makes a difference??
    The "a" in atheist simply testifies to the fact that an atheist is a non-theist, in other words, not a theist. I believe it's the theists themselves who came up with that label if I'm not mistaking. In short, the "a" is the same as "non" or "not", meaning the atheist does not believe in any god or gods.
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    thanks man,
    its good to learn new stuff each day
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuka
    thanks man,
    its good to learn new stuff each day
    I agree. I'm very glad I joined this forum. I've gained so much knowledge from it :-D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obviously
    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuka
    thanks man,
    its good to learn new stuff each day
    I agree. I'm very glad I joined this forum. I've gained so much knowledge from it :-D
    Not to butt in here, but the best, most advanced form of knowledge one can ever learn, is that one knows nothing. Knowledge is power, and that exactly. Some people know what I'm talking about here, some don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 425 Chaotic Requisition
    Not to butt in here, but the best, most advanced form of knowledge one can ever learn, is that one knows nothing.
    You refer, I think, to Socrates. He was said to be the wisest man in Athens, since he knew that he knew nothing.

    I believe I am wiser than Socrates, since I know almost nothing, but I do know where I left my car keys. :wink:
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    Quote Originally Posted by 425 Chaotic Requisition
    Not to butt in here, but the best, most advanced form of knowledge one can ever learn, is that one knows nothing. Knowledge is power, and that exactly. Some people know what I'm talking about here, some don't.
    I agree, and that's why I like to say: "The fool is not the one who does not know, it is the one who thinks he knows" :wink:

    I made that from inspiration of Socrates
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    aint that like the goal of zen?
    -to think about nothingness?
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    The idea of the mystical and spiritual nothingness which Zen speaks of as well as many other disciplines and belief systems is symbolic.

    It is the expansiveness of all possibilities within a nothingness. This nothingness is the prelude to a somethingness.

    If the mind fixes it's attention on a particular thing.
    Then there is a something.
    If the mind embraces all things then there is nothing because there is nothing on which it fixates.
    This expansive consciousness of embracing all things is when all things become unified and one and the conscious self dissolves.
    Nothing exists not even an 'I'.
    Yet paradoxically all things exist but all things exist as 'one', and this one is the nature and union of God of which mysticism speaks.
    Alchemy and magic speak of this 'union' in terms of marriage and consummation.
    Where two things become one.
    The holy trinity involves this concept too, but in this case, the union gives birth to a 'son'. The son being symbolic of illumination, enlightenment or a different heightened awareness.

    Nothing is when all things become one

    Many mystical and religious texts speak of duality where this duality and sense of separateness is actually an illusion.
    In reality all things are connected as 'one'.

    When the mind focuses on one particular thing or within the boundaries of a particular way of thinking then it limits itself.
    The practice of expanding consciousness to be unlimited creates a fertile ground for unlimited potential.
    All things exist as potential and possibility within the nature of 'nothingness'

    It is good to think of and be nothing sometimes.
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    My kung fu teacher tells me that when you practice zen you consentrate on a fixed spot or close your eyes(partially) and start thinking about nothing; when a though comes by you kick it away, most likely you start thinking about the "kicking away" part, the you must banish that though also and so on and on... thats what practicing zen generally is, isn`t it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuka
    My kung fu teacher tells me that when you practice zen you consentrate on a fixed spot or close your eyes(partially) and start thinking about nothing; when a though comes by you kick it away, most likely you start thinking about the "kicking away" part, the you must banish that though also and so on and on... thats what practicing zen generally is, isn`t it?
    It's actually very difficult to think about nothing!

    When you try at first it seems impossible, and the harder you try the more your mind will play tricks and constantly fill up with anything, even nonsense!

    It takes a lot of training.

    There's lots of techniques. But they mostly follow the same pattern of initially trying to focus the mind on one thing, such as your kung fu technique focusing on the kick, or another is using a mantra, which acts like a fly-wheel, casting off all other thoughts.

    Once you've mastered that and you are able to focus solely on one thing for a decent length of time the next step of attempting to focus on nothing is a little easier.

    The irony of that statement 'Focusing on nothing' is paradoxical, but that's the nature of Zen, difficult to explain with words and often when you attempt to it leads you further and further away from the truth of its nature.

    That's Tau............say no more!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selene
    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuka
    My kung fu teacher tells me that when you practice zen you consentrate on a fixed spot or close your eyes(partially) and start thinking about nothing; when a though comes by you kick it away, most likely you start thinking about the "kicking away" part, the you must banish that though also and so on and on... thats what practicing zen generally is, isn`t it?
    It's actually very difficult to think about nothing!

    When you try at first it seems impossible, and the harder you try the more your mind will play tricks and constantly fill up with anything, even nonsense!

    It takes a lot of training.

    There's lots of techniques. But they mostly follow the same pattern of initially trying to focus the mind on one thing, such as your kung fu technique focusing on the kick, or another is using a mantra, which acts like a fly-wheel, casting off all other thoughts.

    Once you've mastered that and you are able to focus solely on one thing for a decent length of time the next step of attempting to focus on nothing is a little easier.

    The irony of that statement 'Focusing on nothing' is paradoxical, but that's the nature of Zen, difficult to explain with words and often when you attempt to it leads you further and further away from the truth of its nature.

    That's Tau............say no more!
    The easiest way for me to succeed in being in nothingness (just as my grandma taught me) is to sit in a completly quiet room with a candle lit across the room within direct eyeline that is comfortable to look at without strain. Make sure you are comfortable yourself and without distractions and interuptions as this will only frustrate you.

    Now look at the flame, watch the way it moves, flickers with the invisable wind, trying to die then bursting back into life! I have found that after a while I start to experiance a darkening of my peripheral vision (creating tunnel vision) and I can only see the flame. When I carry on, getting deeper, I can no longer see at all! :-D It is during this point that you are in nothingness because as soon as a single thought comes into your head, your vision will return and you have to restart again. It is this repetative success and failure combined with practice that makes it easier and quicker to achieve.

    Now I see myself getting criticism from ppl in regards to the being in nothingness and yet knowing what is happening.
    All I can say is that you know what is happening but do not think of what it happening!

    Sorry if this isn't in relation to the original post!
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    After looking at the candle flame for a while

    close your eyes and try to hold the image in your minds eye

    This is a great exercise to develop the ability to visualize

    and when you can do that you can watch a candle flame anywhere in an instant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selene
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    After looking at the candle flame for a while

    close your eyes and try to hold the image in your minds eye

    This is a great exercise to develop the ability to visualize

    and when you can do that you can watch a candle flame anywhere in an instant.


    Yes!!! When I am watching a candle I cannot see it, when I am not watching a candle I can see it!

    I think you and I have a lot of insight that is similar in terms of this kind of subject, if you don't mind me saying! :-D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuka
    aint that like the goal of zen?
    -to think about nothingness?
    That's an exercise, not the goal. Many exercises are just means of exhausting and flattening the mind... what's left is emptiness of mind - the goal.

    If a person wants to "sit and take things in" you may say "well, sit then". Maybe the person is anxious and wonders where, in what style, what to look at, etc. So you employ a trick: "OK to sit you first must do these stretching exercises", then "Get the legs in tone by jogging. Sharpen the eyes by reading paragraphs of fine print", and so forth. Until the person is dog tired and sick of focusing. Then what happens?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
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    aint that like the goal of zen?
    -to think about nothingness?
    That's an exercise, not the goal. Many exercises are just means of exhausting and flattening the mind... what's left is emptiness of mind - the goal.

    If a person wants to "sit and take things in" you may say "well, sit then". Maybe the person is anxious and wonders where, in what style, what to look at, etc. So you employ a trick: "OK to sit you first must do these stretching exercises", then "Get the legs in tone by jogging. Sharpen the eyes by reading paragraphs of fine print", and so forth. Until the person is dog tired and sick of focusing. Then what happens?
    The goal for most types of meditation especially focusing on one thing only or nothing at all

    Is to train the mind in being able to concentrate

    The most important factor therefore in these types of meditation is to remain completely awake and alert.

    As you will know if you have tried these types of exercises, thinking of only one thing or nothing is in fact very difficult because the mind will continually admit other thoughts and will fidget.

    The skill required here is to become like a very alert watcher, rather like a sniper sitting for hours on end perfectly still waiting for the enemy. The enemy here are other thoughts rather than the one you are intending the mind to think about.
    When these other thoughts arise the snipers job is to be alert to them and shoot them down, until only the one thought is left or the nothingness one aspires to.

    Therefore it is not correct that certain exercises are to get the mind so exhausted that it just spaces out to a nothingness.

    The only thing you will achieve here is probably a good nights sleep and not the true objective which is to have ultimate control of the direction of the mind.

    The reason for asana, or sitting in a posture, which is a preliminary exercise in this endeavor is to initially train the body to be able to sit still for long periods without intruding it's discomfort on the mind.

    The key to training the mind to focus at will on any specific thing is alertness and vigilance. Without this you as may as well just have an afternoon nap, because nothing to do with attaining concentration will be achieved.
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    How important is it to belong to a specific religion anyway?
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    From what I understand its only important you be Christian if you want to be a Christian priest. Or the same for Islam. But for the point, its not important which religion you belong to, if any. Its a free world.
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    Well, there's always that hot Hindu girl ...and her parents.


    And Sundays I pass by smart dressed churchgoers milling out into the road, think it might be nice to hang with that crowd. If you fall ill they bring you casseroles!
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    Btw, Im not sure if you can clear this out but Im confused about which holy scripture is what

    Old Testament, Torah, Talmud, whats the difference?
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    I think they're all manifestations of the same storeis, just translated differently and thus different meanings.
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    hi all

    as a start , I advice myself and every religious seeker to study God's creatures.

    study his design in life.

    discover the great mind behind living beings.


    that will take sometimes so you would need a goal for it.why are you seeking?to feel happier,to thank him, to know the truth or all of these.

    put the goal in front of you and when you got a great belife of God existence you will have to look again in several religion with a bias from any prior judgement.

    God bless you all
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    ????.......

    Right.......thanks for sharing that..........



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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
    Well, there's always that hot Hindu girl ...and her parents.


    And Sundays I pass by smart dressed churchgoers milling out into the road, think it might be nice to hang with that crowd. If you fall ill they bring you casseroles!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selene


    ????.......

    Right.......thanks for sharing that..........



    His/her heart (most probably his) is in it .
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    Quote Originally Posted by 425 Chaotic Requisition
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    ????.......

    Right.......thanks for sharing that..........



    His/her heart (most probably his) is in it .
    In what?

    His/her arse?
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    I'm from Serbia so i am Orthodox-Christian!
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    Eng.M wrote:
    as a start , I advice myself and every religious seeker to study God's creatures.

    study his design in life.

    discover the great mind behind living beings.
    Intelligent Design Argument. If you find something you can explain, it's science. If you find something you cannot explain, it's God's work.
    (But Atheist will merely call it, 'a challenge'.)
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