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  1. #1 WHERE IS HEAVEN/ HELL? 
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    some ppl hold da belief that the universe and all life forms were creatd by GOD.. and god stays in the kindom of HEAVEN.. but where is this "heaven"?? is it on da other end of a black hole ??
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    i mean.. is there another universe??


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    Don't ever try and ask where or what it is. Either of them. We will obviously, even by religious standards, never be able to know where it is. So don't bother asking that question. Even with my beliefs and theories, I'd never try and ask where heaven or hell is. Quite simply, its irrelevant.
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    Well....Rash, there's neither hell nor heaven, its just our beliefs which makes the existence of hell and heaven, but according to my thoughts a person, lives a life of hell or heaven itself on our very own earth, because it depend on our deeds, if we do something wrong in our life we get its result itself in our ongoing life, rather than going to some place called hell, and at the same time when a person does something good in his life, then he'll finally get his result on earth, by living totally good life, till the time he's dead !!
    So, the above mentioned views, were just my thoughts !!
    It's all exactly upto you !! that what you actually belief !!
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    There is no heaven, hell, or God. I know some would argue, "how do you know for sure?". Well Rash, some things you just can't know without living a long time. Someone telling you just won't do. It takes time and the picture slowly emerges from all the constructs of an open mind.
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    I belive in God, Hevean, and Hell.( Not going to argue about religion, that is proably the dumbest thing to do. You belive they is no God I belive there is. And I respect your belifes. But look at it this way if I am wrong then you and me have nothing to worry about and when we die, if though some way we can see each other we can talk about why I was wrong, but if I am right, then you have alot to worry about.) But heres' to hoping your right my friend cause I would not want that to happen to anyone.
    Well maybe a few people.

    But to find any of them would be impossiable to find, you think that a creator (if he exists) would allow his creations to find him or the areas he has built. So no I would say that it is an impossiable question.
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    Heaven and hell exists in space....the space between your ears.
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    Now where did I put those extra long Q-tips.

    That explains my wicked headaches. And all those scantaly clad women running around in my head.
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    Hey Demon. Yea, I figured I might upset some; it's a delicate subject. You know, just for the record for others here too, and somewhat coincidental, a major factor in convincing me of this was Carl Sagan's book, "Our Demon-Haunted World".

    May you grow wise with wisdom in time Demon. I remember I was young when I first heard Andy Rooney say, "some things you can only know by living a long time" and I wondered what that old fool was talking about. But then something happened to me . . .
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    You didn't upset me I was just saying that I did not want to take any chances where I might have to suffer eternally. Have to suffer enough getting preped for training. Reading my post again it seems I might have given the immpression anger. I would never get upset because of someone's belifes. Sorry if I gave the immpression. 8) Unless those belifes endangered my country, way of life and family. Then, let the bodies hit the floor.


    And I hope I get smarter as I get older, or what would be the use of getting old, of course to get smarter you actually have to have a brain and in that area I seem to be lacking.

    I will have to read Carl Sagan's book. I am always open to great reads.

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    I believe in god.. not that i am anti religious u see. but its jus a question of what happens after death. i saw on a documentary, where some ppl who had gone close enough to dying but had survived voiced their views on what had exactly happened?

    they said that everything had gone white. there was no other colour around them expect WHITE....??? they believed that they had gone to heaven and come back.

    jus curious.. not anti religious.. i knw its a very sensitve topic to discuss and i apologize to any1 who might hav been offended ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    Heaven and hell exists in space....the space between your ears.
    Less the indirect insults. And you wonder why religious believers get wrath often for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 425 Chaotic Requisition
    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    Heaven and hell exists in space....the space between your ears.
    Less the indirect insults. And you wonder why religious believers get wrath often for you.
    How can you find the truth insulting?
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    How can you find the truth insulting?

    Precisely.
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    check my forum....post

    any more questions feel free to ask...
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    Quote Originally Posted by 425 Chaotic Requisition
    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    Heaven and hell exists in space....the space between your ears.
    Less the indirect insults. And you wonder why religious believers get wrath often for you.
    How can you find the truth insulting?
    Becuz it might not be the truth and you unless exploring almost everything that the universe hides, can proove that it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 425 Chaotic Requisition
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    Quote Originally Posted by 425 Chaotic Requisition
    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    Heaven and hell exists in space....the space between your ears.
    Less the indirect insults. And you wonder why religious believers get wrath often for you.
    How can you find the truth insulting?
    Becuz it might not be the truth and you unless exploring almost everything that the universe hides, can proove that it is.
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    I know my MettaTheory is a bit strange to take in but it makes complete sence...if you understand...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 425 Chaotic Requisition
    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    Quote Originally Posted by 425 Chaotic Requisition
    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    Heaven and hell exists in space....the space between your ears.
    Less the indirect insults. And you wonder why religious believers get wrath often for you.
    How can you find the truth insulting?
    Becuz it might not be the truth and you unless exploring almost everything that the universe hides, can proove that it is.
    Prove to me it's not in your mind. Right now at least it exists there as a thought.
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    Hmm. You made me ponder then. I don't think it. I know it.
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    To the people who don't think there is a creater, where did everything come from?
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    Then where did this creator come from, Raymond K? You will probably respond by saying that (but not likely now in order to spite me) the creator or god always existed. Saying something like that is the easy way out. Most people love to take the easy way out so that they can utilize those unused calories in order to think of new ways to kill each other, destroy the environment, and hurt others.

    How the universe came to be is purely scientific. A couple of theories have gone around on this forum regarding this; many of which are worth thinking about.
    Of all the wonders in the universe, none is likely more fascinating and complicated than human nature.

    "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymond K
    To the people who don't think there is a creater, where did everything come from?
    Creationists seem to misunderstand what exactly it is that people who believe there is not a god are trying to prove. We are trying to find otu where everythign came from as we do not know. I would rather put all my energy into trying to find out that which I do not know rather than putting all my faith into something that has been passed down and changed from generation to generation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Fusion
    Then where did this creator come from, Raymond K? You will probably respond by saying that (but not likely now in order to spite me) the creator or god always existed. Saying something like that is the easy way out. Most people love to take the easy way out so that they can utilize those unused calories in order to think of new ways to kill each other, destroy the environment, and hurt others.

    How the universe came to be is purely scientific. A couple of theories have gone around on this forum regarding this; many of which are worth thinking about.
    The term "where did the creator come from" is related to time (When was the creator created?). As God invented time he can not live within it so he lives outside the boundaries of time. Therefor why do you think he actually needs a creator?
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    The thing is.....I may not have an answer to that, but I can explain something else.

    There are relatively few arguments that theists can put forth at this point that contain any logic. While Atheists may not have all of the answers, and may never, you must consider this first. Why was god created in our minds? God has never been found in the natural world-and has only been found in delusions either induced by hysteria or drugs. People claim that they saw Jesus walking on water, healing people, and living after death- history is decided by the winner. What prevented any lunatic from writing down whatever pleased them the most? NOTHING. After many crusades and battles the Christians and its competitors managed to eliminate numerous records (The Bibliotheca Alexandria) from history, and wrote their own in place. Why would they want to do this? It is obvious, so that theists would exist today. The founders of a god, in its most basic form over ten thousand years ago, only did so because of fear, and their lack of understanding of the universe. Now we understand more than we ever could have imagined, and are gaining the ability to live longer every day. Even though immortality is many years away, various interviews concluded that most people would not like to live forever on this earth. Which is disconcerting, knowing 95% of all people in North America are religious, and therefore for that purpose believe in an after life. What is it that they want? They do not want immortality here, yet they want it somewhere else; there must be something that they are looking to gain. Happiness? Sex? (Muslims) Infinite enlightenment? What is it? Do you realize that what makes you, you.....what prevents any replica of yourself from being you are your thoughts, feelings, emotions, faults, and strengths! If you were to truly achieve anything great in heaven, you would have to eliminate all that makes you you. The anger, hatred, joy, melancholy, ecstasy, everything that makes life. Going to a heaven would be to die not only physically, but mentally. The representation of you up there would only be a sick joke. A false representation of what it means to be alive. Today, there is nothing to gain from a god, nothing true to gain. Theists continue to read their bibles, and agnostics continue to fear and not know. AGNOSTICS, realize that we are part of an equilibrium, we are part of this planets cycle of life. We were born to die. There is nothing to fear but fear itself. Stop fearing death, and start dissipating the shroud in your mind so that you can finally see science and philosophy for what they are. Theists, know that what you see as history is all but an elaborate lie forged out of the naivety of people who thought that there was no equilibrium to our minds, that you could eliminate despair with idols, books, swords and towers.

    God was created as an end to suffering; a way to say that everything will be alright in the end. A way to try to make your life worth living; a way to stop you from killing yourself after seeing the meaninglessness of it all. It has FAILED.

    It is pointless to argue about why a god would need a creator. It is like asking why a random entity conceived after an acid trip should need to eat carrots but not grapes. There is no logic behind the entity to begin with. I cannot give you an answer; I would have to answer an illogical question with an illogical answer.
    Of all the wonders in the universe, none is likely more fascinating and complicated than human nature.

    "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."

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    No offence, but why discuss this is the astronomy section?
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    What I said, or the thread as a whole?

    After reading the threads title, and realizing that I reside on this forum, you should have seen a response like that coming.
    Of all the wonders in the universe, none is likely more fascinating and complicated than human nature.

    "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."

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    Nah, the topic. It's a good discussion, but I think it should be moved to religion, thats all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER
    Nah, the topic. It's a good discussion, but I think it should be moved to religion, thats all.
    Agreed. Religious topics have a tendency to spread over the rest of the forum, but I think we're better served to keep them here.
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    If energy can not be created, and energy makes up matter, where did everything come from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymond K
    If energy can not be created, and energy makes up matter, where did everything come from?
    Normal phyics and quantum physics work differently. Normal physics states that matter can't be created nor destroyed. However with quantum physics you have different types of particles popping into existence. Don't ask how as I doubt anyone actually knows however there are several theories as to why this occurs, one being superstring theory which is a combination of both M-theory and supersymmetry.
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    One theory stated that the universe will eventually collapse into nothing in order to maintain the laws of thermodynamics. There are some theoretical particles called virtual particles that come in and out of existence randomly. Since energy cannot be created or destroyed though, they must cease to exist eventually- in their case a matter of nano seconds.
    Of all the wonders in the universe, none is likely more fascinating and complicated than human nature.

    "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."

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