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    with all respect to all religions,


    Christians have strong beliefs in God and follow strict rules.
    These rules originate from the Bible.
    Mortal humans created the Bible.
    The humans need information to write the Bible (or any book).
    The information was given by Jesus. (point 1)
    Jesus got the information from God. (point 2)
    If God gives us information, it must be followed. (point 3)


    point 1.
    a. What are the chances that "Jesus" could have been real? Re could have been a prank!
    b. ...or a huge hoax
    c. A "son of God" would require God to have the ability of reproduction.
    i. asexual reproduction: god creates son basically without mother (ok)
    ii. sexual reproduction: god creates son (via mitosis) with mother
    therefore there must be a mother god? (not ok?)
    d. A "son" of God would mean that Jesus is also God.

    point 2.
    a. Why would God send his son to Earth?
    i. To send us a message? NO! if he needs to send us a message he can do it faster than the speed of light with no hassle.
    ii. god... hassle.... what? no can't be! he is the almighty god!!!

    point 3.
    a. what the heck? God giving me restrictions? for what reasons?
    i. why would god go out of his way to restrict us? he can do it without thinking yet he feels the need to send a "Jesus"
    ii. why would god send a jesus over? why not just come over and speak face to face (if god has a face, damnit).
    b. what happens if we contradict his instructions? hell?
    i. but wait, thats not fair! What about people who never heard of christianity (there are quite a few!).
    ii. what about animals? do god's instructions only matter to humans out of all the species? wtf!?
    iii. Hell is the lamest excuse to follow god's commandments. It can not be proven because its such a stupid statement that someone may go to hell once he or she dies. If I tell you that you turn into an invisible untouchable creature when you die, it would be impossible to prove or disprove the claim because its impossible to test it. so wtf... why do we Christians believe in hell? because the man said so?


    Do you still believe in Christianity because:
    1. you are humiliated that your ancestors have believed in a false religion?
    2. ...that your parents have believed in a false religion?
    3. everyone does it?
    4. you were grown up with it and its hard to see the truth?
    5. you are blinded by a fat book created 2000 years ago by a few folks.
    [pick one]


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    Quote Originally Posted by DivideByZero
    with all respect to all religions,


    Christians have strong beliefs in God and follow strict rules.
    These rules originate from the Bible.
    Mortal humans created the Bible.
    The humans need information to write the Bible (or any book).
    The information was given by Jesus. (point 1)
    Jesus got the information from God. (point 2)
    If God gives us information, it must be followed. (point 3)


    point 1.
    a. What are the chances that "Jesus" could have been real? Re could have been a prank!
    b. ...or a huge hoax
    or alternatively, it could not
    of course trying to determine at what point archaeological study takes over from fiction writing is a delicate subject
    c. A "son of God" would require God to have the ability of reproduction.
    i. asexual reproduction: god creates son basically without mother (ok)
    ii. sexual reproduction: god creates son (via mitosis) with mother
    therefore there must be a mother god? (not ok?)
    assuming that god is also bound by the laws of creation - which would not make him omnpotent

    d. A "son" of God would mean that Jesus is also God.
    ditto above
    point 2.
    a. Why would God send his son to Earth?
    i. To send us a message? NO! if he needs to send us a message he can do it faster than the speed of light with no hassle.
    probably the only thing quicker than god's ability to communicate is our ability to misconstrue and distort - lol

    ii. god... hassle.... what? no can't be! he is the almighty god!!!
    no hassle
    he has all the time in the world
    point 3.
    a. what the heck? God giving me restrictions? for what reasons?
    i. why would god go out of his way to restrict us? he can do it without thinking yet he feels the need to send a "Jesus"
    not sure why you think the summum bonum of jesus's teachings is to restrict people

    ii. why would god send a jesus over? why not just come over and speak face to face (if god has a face, damnit).
    I wasn't aware that we came here in the first place to get closer to god

    b. what happens if we contradict his instructions? hell?
    i. but wait, thats not fair! What about people who never heard of christianity (there are quite a few!).
    there are a variety of religious systems - even people in jungles have some sort of religious codes - of course not all religious codes are equal but they all offer some sort of benefit

    ii. what about animals? do god's instructions only matter to humans out of all the species? wtf!?
    thus reincarnation enters the scene

    iii. Hell is the lamest excuse to follow god's commandments. It can not be proven because its such a stupid statement that someone may go to hell once he or she dies. If I tell you that you turn into an invisible untouchable creature when you die, it would be impossible to prove or disprove the claim because its impossible to test it. so wtf... why do we Christians believe in hell? because the man said so?
    most people have never taken a single step inside a maximum security prison either - still the knowledge of jail is sufficient to keep most people on the straight and narrow
    (in short ANY managerial body, from the local council to god, that doesn't have recourse to punishment is a managerial body that cannot manage)

    out of curiosity, if a person did return from hell, what evidence would you require to validate the claim?

    Do you still believe in Christianity because:
    1. you are humiliated that your ancestors have believed in a false religion?
    no

    2. ...that your parents have believed in a false religion?
    no
    3. everyone does it?
    no
    4. you were grown up with it and its hard to see the truth?
    no
    5. you are blinded by a fat book created 2000 years ago by a few folks.
    no

    [pick one]
    doesn't seem that you have thought this through too deeply and your first opening line is a lie


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    Quote Originally Posted by DivideByZero
    Do you still believe in Christianity because:
    1. you are humiliated that your ancestors have believed in a false religion?
    2. ...that your parents have believed in a false religion?
    3. everyone does it?
    4. you were grown up with it and its hard to see the truth?
    5. you are blinded by a fat book created 2000 years ago by a few folks.
    [pick one]
    Could you add this one:
    6. it provides a balanced set of ethical guidlines and reflects, in a metaphorical sense, the relationship between man and the cosmos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Could you add this one:
    6. it provides a balanced set of ethical guidlines and reflects, in a metaphorical sense, the relationship between man and the cosmos.
    How about changing it to:

    It provides an illusion of a balanced set of ethical guidlines often also with the effect of having a sense of superiority backed up by God and reflects, in a metaphorical sense, the relationship between man and the cosmos, providing false meaning which often arrogantly portrays mankind as the "chosen ones", or mankind as "the centre of attention" if you will.
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    Feel free to distort any posting to match up with your prejudicial dogma.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Feel free to distort any posting to match up with your prejudicial dogma.
    That's not fair. I came with an suggestion based upon evidence from a reasonable sample size. I'd say my first premise, "often also with the effect of having a sense of superiority backed up by God", might only apply more generally in the US, but when looking at the whole world, it might be a little more varied. Still, I'd say that there are more people out there that thinks they are morally superior because of their beliefs than those who do not think so. My second premise is almost certainly true, "providing false meaning which often arrogantly portrays mankind as the "chosen ones", or mankind as "the centre of attention" if you will." Though the truthfulness of meaning is mostly subjective and varies from one person to another, what follows is undeniable.

    I see no prejudicial dogma in my statement.
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    remember punarmusiko, I'm only busting Christianity
    recarnation isn't part of it right?


    but in a similar note,
    Man created God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obviously
    I see no prejudicial dogma in my statement.
    You are talking about a particular take on Christianity and applying it to all Christians. I call that prejudicial. The dogma part follows naturally.

    If you wished to say 'how about adding this variant', I have no objection. Eliminating my proposed version, which is what you actually proposed, is biased and bigoted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    You are talking about a particular take on Christianity and applying it to all Christians. I call that prejudicial. The dogma part follows naturally.

    If you wished to say 'how about adding this variant', I have no objection. Eliminating my proposed version, which is what you actually proposed, is biased and bigoted.
    Then you have my apologizes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Feel free to distort any posting to match up with your prejudicial dogma.
    Should you feel flattered when people follow your example.

    Aegroto, dum anima est, spes esse dicitur
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    Quote Originally Posted by DivideByZero
    remember punarmusiko, I'm only busting Christianity
    recarnation isn't part of it right?
    depends
    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen07.html


    but in a similar note,
    Man created God.
    others beg to differ ....
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