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  1. #1 Jesus was murdered by the rich 
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    The Messiah foretold in the Old Testament was a man , who with a sword would conquer all of Israels enemies and enthrone the Jews on a throne to rule all nations and races . Jesus Christ the Messiah spoke Love , forgiveness and equality . Jesus Christ walked with the untouchables of society such as the lepers , the lame , the beggars , prostitutes and the poor . Multitudes accepted Jesus Christ as the Messiah foretold of in the Old Testament .

    This frightened the rich of Israel , something had to be done to protect their wealth from what they saw as a threat from the disposessed multitudes lead by Jesus Christ . Conspiring with the religious Jewish authorities of the day , these conspirators hatched a plan whereby Jesus Christ would be proclaimed a false Messiah , charged with blasphemy and executed .

    And so it was our Messiah was sold over by the Apostle Judas , denied by the Apostle Peter and deserted by the other Apostles , placed in front of the ignorant , jeering crowd flogged and murdered by crucifixion . GOD sent us his only son to save us and we killed him !

    This is the story of humankind and our greed and what importance we place on protecting our mortal wealth over the promise of everlasting life , coffins don't come with pockets .

    You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter.You have condemned and murdered the innocent man, ( JESUS CHRIST ) who was not opposing you.

    James chapter 5 verse 7


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    i saw a cartoon on this sort of thing once, anyone heard of lunig.

    a man was placing 2 of every electrical apliance on a boat while the animals watched.

    on another matter what amazes me is how the religous man can still value his posesions on still hold a fear of death despite the promise of everlasting life in the hereafter.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Foley
    GOD sent us his only son to save us and we killed him !
    No we! The jews kill him!

    BTW
    He was himself jew.
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    yeah i mean if it was we then WE would most likely be burning for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallaby
    i saw a cartoon on this sort of thing once, anyone heard of lunig.

    a man was placing 2 of every electrical apliance on a boat while the animals watched.
    Materialism , 30,000 human beings die each day in Africa due to starvation and poverty related diseases in silence . And speculation about the new X-Box is in every magazine and paper .
    Quote Originally Posted by wallaby
    on another matter what amazes me is how the religous man can still value his posesions on still hold a fear of death despite the promise of everlasting life in the hereafter.
    as the song goes " Its Greenbacks when Im hard up , Religion when I die " .
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    Quote Originally Posted by flash_os
    No we! The jews kill him!
    the rich killed him .
    Quote Originally Posted by flash_os
    BTW
    He was himself jew.
    Jesus was a poor man .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Foley
    Quote Originally Posted by flash_os
    No we! The jews kill him!
    the rich killed him .
    no the Jews and the Romans nailed his ass up.

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    BTW
    He was himself jew.
    Jesus was a poor man .
    And a Jew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallaby

    no the Jews and the Romans nailed his ass up.
    No the rich set him up .
    You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter.You have condemned and murdered the innocent man, ( JESUS CHRIST ) who was not opposing you.

    James chapter 5 verse 7
    Quote Originally Posted by flash_os
    BTW
    He was himself jew.
    Jesus was a poor man .
    Quote Originally Posted by wallaby
    And a Jew.
    Jesus was just a poor man , a brother to all , not some title .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Foley
    The Messiah foretold in the Old Testament was a man , who with a sword would conquer all of Israels enemies and enthrone the Jews on a throne to rule all nations and races . Jesus Christ the Messiah spoke Love , forgiveness and equality . Jesus Christ walked with the untouchables of society such as the lepers , the lame , the beggars , prostitutes and the poor . Multitudes accepted Jesus Christ as the Messiah foretold of in the Old Testament .

    This frightened the rich of Israel , something had to be done to protect their wealth from what they saw as a threat from the disposessed multitudes lead by Jesus Christ . Conspiring with the religious Jewish authorities of the day , these conspirators hatched a plan whereby Jesus Christ would be proclaimed a false Messiah , charged with blasphemy and executed .

    And so it was our Messiah was sold over by the Apostle Judas , denied by the Apostle Peter and deserted by the other Apostles , placed in front of the ignorant , jeering crowd flogged and murdered by crucifixion . GOD sent us his only son to save us and we killed him !

    This is the story of humankind and our greed and what importance we place on protecting our mortal wealth over the promise of everlasting life , coffins don't come with pockets .

    You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter.You have condemned and murdered the innocent man, ( JESUS CHRIST ) who was not opposing you.

    James chapter 5 verse 7
    Brian, this is just a sermon. Did you want to make a substantial new point? Are you creating some great revelation about Christianity or the Christian way of life here?

    If you want to sermonise, maybe you should become ordained.
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    As a minister of the Church of Universal Life of Modesto, California, I can say that the Romans killed jesus as a political rebel. They often had problems with rebels in Judea, and they wanted to get ahead of the game. It wasn't the Jews, although he did upset a few people when he threw the moneychangers out of the temple. The fact is they all hated the Romans much, much, more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silas
    Brian, this is just a sermon. Did you want to make a substantial new point? Are you creating some great revelation about Christianity or the Christian way of life here?

    If you want to sermonise, maybe you should become ordained.
    Just telling my side of the story here , clearly if you read the new testament you see this was the case . Throughout history we have been told it was the Jews who killed Christ or it was the Romans etc . The version I put forward here is the antithesis of capitalisms hijacking of Christianity . Jesus was born poor , preached against wealth and was murdered as apoor man by wealthyn instigators .
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    Quote Originally Posted by spidergoat
    As a minister of the Church of Universal Life of Modesto, California, I can say that the Romans killed jesus as a political rebel.
    The Romans had nothing to fear from Jesus , in fact the Romans throughout the Bible welcomed Jesus from the centurion to Pilates insistence of his innocence .
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    They often had problems with rebels in Judea, and they wanted to get ahead of the game.
    Jesus spoke of peace and brotherhood , the Jews , like those rebels , expected their Messiah to be one of vengeance .
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    It wasn't the Jews, although he did upset a few people when he threw the moneychangers out of the temple.
    It was the Jewish ruling class who were frightened of Jesus's socialist platform concerning wealth .
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    The fact is they all hated the Romans much, much, more.
    It was the Jewish ruling class who invited the Romans into Israel in the first place .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silas
    I apologise, I did think it was a sermon of some sort. In fact it's just a cover for anti-Semitic ranting.
    Could you show me the anti-semitic rant is , that I am accused of by you ?
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    I regret having posted that, and have withdrawn it and edited the post. Sorry.
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    Hey Brian,
    Since the New Testament was written in Rome, you can expect them to show the Romans in the best possible light. The truth is that the Romans has problems with rebels all over the place, and often dealt with them harshly. Pilot was particularly cruel, and was withdrawn from his post in Judea for that reason. The idea that he would err on the side of Jesus' innocence is beyond ridiculous.

    Jesus spoke of peace and brotherhood , the Jews , like those rebels , expected their Messiah to be one of vengeance .
    He gathered large crowds, and for that reason alone, the Romans considered him dangerous.

    It was the Jewish ruling class who invited the Romans into Israel in the first place .
    No, it was Rome's imperialistic invasion of Judea that invited rebels to battle them.
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