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    I found this not long ago. I wondered what you all think of it.

    http://bibleprobe.com/miracles.htm


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    I wiped my arse with better material than that.


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    Why are you a hidden member. Please offer something constructive if you are going to comment. You are wasting valuable server space. Thanks.
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    You asked what I thought of it, I told you so what is the problem?
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    OK Thats your opinion. Stand back, take a deep breath, exhale and walk back in. I can see a lot of aggression on your part. Its not good for your health.

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    If you were that concerned with server space you would edit your last post and add your comment. I simply gave you some advice.
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    That's off topic! a waste of server space.
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    Pure garbage, Megabrain is right
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    i have problems with sites proclaiming the existence of miracles by people who stand to benefit from such beliefs - call me an unbeliever, but this type of site immediately sets off my scepticism alarm
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neutrino
    Pure garbage, Megabrain is right
    Have you read it?
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    Lets just say I read enough of it to recognize it as garbage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neutrino
    Pure garbage, Megabrain is right
    Have you read it? Scientifically analyse every point in that article, explain it vigourosly (if you care about your reputation as a scientist) and then I will take your 'conclusion' seriously.
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    no - scientific analysis stops as soon as it becomes clear that the basic premises of a statement are false

    there is absolutely no need to disprove everything 100%
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    no - scientific analysis stops as soon as it becomes clear that the basic premises of a statement are false

    there is absolutely no need to disprove everything 100%
    I would have more respect for those who read it, came up with a hypothesis against it, instead of saying 'its a load of crap' after just clicking the link and closing it after reading the first sentence.
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    Swiveller this is a science forum, you are trawling the internet and just posting new threads for nothing but shit topics just to up the number of your posts and see what the next rank is.

    Now either discuss real science ask real questions, debate real issues or fuck off.
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    Use Bayes Theorem.

    Read Hume's "Of miracles".

    Make your own mind up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    I found this not long ago. I wondered what you all think of it.

    http://bibleprobe.com/miracles.htm
    This one quote pretty much says it all:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    Swiveller this is a science forum, you are trawling the internet and just posting new threads for nothing but shit topics just to up the number of your posts and see what the next rank is.

    Now either discuss real science ask real questions, debate real issues or fuck off.
    Miracles need to be scientifically explained. This thread is relative to the topic section it is in (religion) it is completley relevant to religion and I'm sure people will agree with me. I simply asked what you think of these miracles. Are they made up? Are they real? Coincidence? etc etc. Please someone back me up because I'm getting mundane bark at me who seem hell bent on insulting me rather than contributing anything constructive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    Miracles need to be scientifically explained.
    any particular reason why miracles cry out for a scientific explanation ? especially when on closer examination many miracles turn out to be cases of mistaken identity, delusions or exploits of confidence tricksters

    considering that in the catholic church you can't be declared a saint without some evidence of a miracle involving the proposed saint, this seems like a fertile ground for fabricating one
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    Miracles are unexplained phenomena, like the atom was and still is. If science is to progress even furthur over time we have to prove everything or disprove it using science until something better walks along.

    But if people don't want certain aspects of religion being scientifically explained I'll just keep my hypotheses to myself and come up with my own reasons. And yes, I'll include bias in the studies :-D
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    let's put it this way : certain people have thought that the few cases of UFOs that were not clearly hoaxes or ordinary events misunderstood could lead to a new understanding in science if only UFOs were properly investigated

    as far as i'm aware, none of these investigations have led to any breakthroughs, or have even an indication that there might be something worhtwhile investigating

    that's how i view miracles as well
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    I have a motto:

    Persitence is a virtue .

    I know my methods and approaches my not be protocol with current science, but I do everything my own way, and that has always been doing everything the hard way, I just naturally do it that way and never really question it. I guess the benefit in it, like Einstein, Tesla etc is that you get to see things different from the rest. But maybe comparing myself to Einstein and Tesla is an insult, so if that was insulting I apologise.
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    i'm not saying my approach is the sanctioned scientific approach, but if i can achieve 80% of the result with 20% of the effort , and that 80% is good enough, then that'll do for me

    i've written it somewhere else before : if at first you don't succeed, give up (and try something different altogether)
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    Miracles are unexplained phenomena, like the atom was and still is.
    So, based on your description of a miracle, theists use it to give their own ignorance of how the universe works, a label.
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    I don't know. Its a theory. If I may add a comment for your own personal benefit. Try avoiding words like 'ignorance', opinion may be better, and you would get more positive feedback that way .
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    I don't know. Its a theory. If I may add a comment for your own personal benefit. Try avoiding words like 'ignorance', opinion may be better, and you would get more positive feedback that way .
    The correct word IS ignorance. Spreading propaganda that miracles are real isn't positive.

    It's not a theory, it's an ignorant assertion.

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    Did I say they were real? No I didn't say they were real .
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    Did I say they were real? No I didn't say they were real .
    Yes, you did, when you made this assertion:

    Miracles need to be scientifically explained.
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    Yes they do need to be scientifically justified. Are they real or aren't they. Arguments should be put against and for these. Just because I said they need to be scientifically answered, it does not mean I believe they are real. The term 'miracle' I have used is so clarity can be made, if you prefer due to your opacity, I shall dub them 'unidentifed incidents'. Do these unidentified incidents have a rational scientifc explanation that does not require the need for God to answer them logically. If you are going to be obscure and not clearly understand a very simple assertion, I'm going to cease this discussion with you at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    Yes they do need to be scientifically justified. Are they real or aren't they.
    The fact that theists make demands on science to prove or disprove their superstitions and myths does not constitute a reaction.

    The term 'miracle' I have used is so clarity can be made
    The term 'miracle' can be used to signify a wondrous event, however I don't get the impression that is what you meant, based on your past posts. You are most probably referring to supernatural acts.

    if you prefer due to your opacity, I shall dub them 'unidentifed incidents'. Do these unidentified incidents have a rational scientifc explanation that does not require the need for God to answer them logically.
    That would have been a much more scientific approach to the topic had it been the OP.
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    Get up to date Q, someone will fill you in.

    EDIT: Everyone else got my OP, evenif they didn't like it. Its your problem you can't see things from others point of view, then again in all respect intended, you don't seem to like compromising do you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    Get up to date Q, someone will fill you in.
    Imagine a finger pointing up.

    EDIT: Everyone else got my OP, evenif they didn't like it. Its your problem you can't see things from others point of view, then again in all respect intended, you don't seem to like compromising do you?
    I got your OP, too. You linked a site in which the agenda was to sell something, that something being a load of crap. You asked for comments and you got them.

    The fact that you don't like those comments is your own fucking problem.

    I don't compromise when the point of view is one from superstition, myth and gullibility.
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    Hostility.

    I saw a site with apparent 'miracles', they try not to sell anything as far as I could see.

    YOU have a problem with religion, and you need to confront it because if you don't you'll never escape the hatred within you, you'll be ended by your own double helix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    Hostility.

    I saw a site with apparent 'miracles', they try not to sell anything as far as I could see.

    YOU have a problem with religion, and you need to confront it because if you don't you'll never escape the hatred within you, you'll be ended by your own double helix.
    Swiveller, Q's hostility to religion is not an issue on this particular thread. You have dragged in a bunch of anecdotes without any evidence. There is nothing to explain or discuss scientifically. It is a crap thread.
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    OK :-D.
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    I saw a site with apparent 'miracles', they try not to sell anything as far as I could see.
    Then, you failed to understand the sites agenda, which I made clear for you.

    YOU have a problem with religion, and you need to confront it because if you don't you'll never escape the hatred within you, you'll be ended by your own double helix.
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    Oh I see Q, the books at the bottom yes? Theres always advertising for something. Even at this website.
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    Oh I see Q, the books at the bottom yes? Theres always advertising for something. Even at this website.
    No, there isn't always advertising.
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    Where is there not advertising here? :wink:

    http://www.atheistnation.net/

    But seriously, no there isn't always advertising.
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    That site is BS as well SVwillmer. Whenever a group of people try to organise themselves because of a certain belief structure, nothing good can come of it. I am an athiest because I do not want any part in any harmful organisation. A group of athiests can do just as much harm as a group of christian's... We are making the entire world into a secular world. Soon, athiests will only hang out with athiests, and christians will only hang out with christians.. =\
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    Typical of us humans to make the mistake of desired equality, rather than understand the fact that we're different and deal with it.
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    Do you believe in miracles? That says it all. No need to develop a belief for math, chemistry or science. The only true miracle is the US Hockey Gold Medal from the 1980 Olympics at Lake Placid, NY. Truely magical.
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    i'd like to see james randi debunk these "miracles", as he's debunked so much else.
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    Hi, I read some of it.
    I have an open mind.
    These people are misguided and want to believe in something but they have no idea what to believe in, so that's where religion comes in,
    and they wait
    and wait
    for a miracle to happen
    when they think one happens
    they blow it out of proportion
    with misunderstanding.

    Now,
    for anyone who wants to talk to angels
    they could eat a small pinch of the Brugmansia flower.

    You could die, so I'm not telling anyone to do this.

    And the angels are projected from your own psyche,
    not injected by the heavens
    unless you consider your mind heaven.
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