Thread: How did the Holy Grail idea arise?

Since I've never heard of another religion having such an iconic holy relic I'm wondering. What is The Holy Grail? Apparantly it gives you eternal life somehow (as in the tree of life), but how did this legend come about, its not as if it is that meaningful next to Christianity is it? Merely it seems a byproduct. But how did the legend of King Arthur and his knights come about looking for it. Geoffry maybe twisted the story a bit when he said that The Grail was attained but nevertheless there has to be some truth behind it. How did it arise anyway?

I've seen the DaVinci code and think its a load of codswallop but still, this video intrugied me, if there is no Grail on DaVinci's Last Supper painting, then where did the idea come from?

Heres a very interesting video that made me think, maybe DaVinci did know something...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm_7hEUHMpc

PS, I don't fully agree with what the guy describing says, like there MUST be knights templar, which sounds a bit O_O.

After 03:09 skip the rest, it seems tedious.

interestingly, leonardo da vinci used to write his scientific texts mirrored, so he was obviously fascinated with mirrors. maybe there is something to it.

after a brief amount of study, some things doesn't fit.
the "templars" sitting on each edge of the table, is wearing the wrong colours.

here's the correct uniform for a real templar:

Originally Posted by dejawolf

after a brief amount of study, some things doesn't fit.
the "templars" sitting on each edge of the table, is wearing the wrong colours.

here's the correct uniform for a real templar:

Where is this image? Is this fact? He might have meant something else.

It was the cup that jesus had when he said, "This is my blood." Since jesus said that, a rumour started and people thought it was his actual blood and it had the power to make the grail magical or some such. Just abunch of fairy tale mumbo jumbo.

Originally Posted by verzen

It was the cup that jesus had when he said, "This is my blood." Since jesus said that, a rumour started and people thought it was his actual blood and it had the power to make the grail magical or some such. Just abunch of fairy tale mumbo jumbo.

As everything else that you can't see right?

I'm fairly sure the idea arose spontaneously in the minds of Graham Chapman and John Cleese in the shrubbery.

Originally Posted by svwillmer

Originally Posted by verzen

It was the cup that jesus had when he said, "This is my blood." Since jesus said that, a rumour started and people thought it was his actual blood and it had the power to make the grail magical or some such. Just abunch of fairy tale mumbo jumbo.

As everything else that you can't see right?

Do you believe in fairies? There is a much better chance that fairies exist then if god existed. Do you believe in magic? There is about an equal amount of chance for magic to be in the world as if god was in the world. Since I don't see people flinging fireballs or fairies, (outside of certain flaming homosexuals) or elves, or goblins, or a damsel in distress with golden locks that reach out about 30 feet... then I have a good suspicion that god is yes, just another fairy tale. None of those are true, so why should the former be true? Just because you want something to exist doesn't mean it will exist. There was an old saying.. I can't remember who said it, but it went something like this, "Once a god has people stop believing in him, then the god loses all of his power" That saying pretty much says that if no one believes in god, then god ceises to exist. So much for an omnipotent being... He needs us to survive. If he does not have us to "remember" him, he no longer exists. Thats because he is all in our mind.... just a mental masturbation.

Originally Posted by verzen

Originally Posted by svwillmer

Originally Posted by verzen

It was the cup that jesus had when he said, "This is my blood." Since jesus said that, a rumour started and people thought it was his actual blood and it had the power to make the grail magical or some such. Just abunch of fairy tale mumbo jumbo.

As everything else that you can't see right?

Do you believe in fairies? There is a much better chance that fairies exist then if god existed. Do you believe in magic? There is about an equal amount of chance for magic to be in the world as if god was in the world. Since I don't see people flinging fireballs or fairies, (outside of certain flaming homosexuals) or elves, or goblins, or a damsel in distress with golden locks that reach out about 30 feet... then I have a good suspicion that god is yes, just another fairy tale. None of those are true, so why should the former be true? Just because you want something to exist doesn't mean it will exist. There was an old saying.. I can't remember who said it, but it went something like this, "Once a god has people stop believing in him, then the god loses all of his power" That saying pretty much says that if no one believes in god, then god ceises to exist. So much for an omnipotent being... He needs us to survive. If he does not have us to "remember" him, he no longer exists. Thats because he is all in our mind.... just a mental masturbation.

Well if they don't exist in this universe they have to exist in a paralel universe, there is no escaping it verzen, no matter how hard you try to block it out.

google is your friend.

http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl...h+Images&gbv=2

youtube has a video series on the knights templars:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQGvpZ2AqOo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5Rnj71enQM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_BjgFJqXL8

Originally Posted by svwillmer

Originally Posted by verzen

Originally Posted by svwillmer

Originally Posted by verzen

It was the cup that jesus had when he said, "This is my blood." Since jesus said that, a rumour started and people thought it was his actual blood and it had the power to make the grail magical or some such. Just abunch of fairy tale mumbo jumbo.

As everything else that you can't see right?

Do you believe in fairies? There is a much better chance that fairies exist then if god existed. Do you believe in magic? There is about an equal amount of chance for magic to be in the world as if god was in the world. Since I don't see people flinging fireballs or fairies, (outside of certain flaming homosexuals) or elves, or goblins, or a damsel in distress with golden locks that reach out about 30 feet... then I have a good suspicion that god is yes, just another fairy tale. None of those are true, so why should the former be true? Just because you want something to exist doesn't mean it will exist. There was an old saying.. I can't remember who said it, but it went something like this, "Once a god has people stop believing in him, then the god loses all of his power" That saying pretty much says that if no one believes in god, then god ceises to exist. So much for an omnipotent being... He needs us to survive. If he does not have us to "remember" him, he no longer exists. Thats because he is all in our mind.... just a mental masturbation.

Well if they don't exist in this universe they have to exist in a paralel universe, there is no escaping it verzen, no matter how hard you try to block it out.

What? Thats very illogical.
You are saying just because someone can think of some idea, then that idea MUST exist in a different universe? Thats like saying pink elephants exist or the noodly goodness of the flying spaghetti monster DOES indeed exist.... Thats assinine...

There is no meaning.

Do some serious research, join a Magi order or two, and you'll figure out what the holy grail is. Like much else in mythologies and religions, the holy grail is a symbol. It was meant to represent knowledge, wisdom, and enlightment. What it is now is simply a twist on what it once was.

Originally Posted by dejawolf

interestingly, leonardo da vinci used to write his scientific texts mirrored, so he was obviously fascinated with mirrors. maybe there is something to it.

actually it wast mirrored, it was his left handed script. writing with a scribe and a vial of ink would most likely make a lot more mess for da vinci than it would for modern left handers with ballpoint pens.

Originally Posted by verzen

Do you believe in fairies? There is a much better chance that fairies exist then if god existed. Do you believe in magic? There is about an equal amount of chance for magic to be in the world as if god was in the world. Since I don't see people flinging fireballs or fairies, (outside of certain flaming homosexuals) or elves, or goblins, or a damsel in distress with golden locks that reach out about 30 feet... then I have a good suspicion that god is yes, just another fairy tale. None of those are true, so why should the former be true? Just because you want something to exist doesn't mean it will exist. There was an old saying.. I can't remember who said it, but it went something like this, "Once a god has people stop believing in him, then the god loses all of his power" That saying pretty much says that if no one believes in god, then god ceises to exist. So much for an omnipotent being... He needs us to survive. If he does not have us to "remember" him, he no longer exists. Thats because he is all in our mind.... just a mental masturbation.

You are right. Just because you want something to exist doesn't mean it will. But just because you don't want/believe something exists doesn't mean that it doesn't either. What if there is magic? Magic is not necessarily "flinging fireballs". As near as I've been able to ascertain people associate the word magic with anything they don't understand. For example if you were to take a lighter to some of the indigenous peoples of south america they would think it magic. That doesn't make it so.

The Holy grail is the cup, dish, saucer or some other form of dinnerware that Christ used at the last supper. And yes, it was later used to catch his blood. The Grail was then stored and protected by an appointed group known as the Knights Templar.

I thought it was the Priory Of Scion?

Originally Posted by 425 Chaotic Requisition

I thought it was the Priory Of Scion?

I just stated what I read on Wikipedia *shrug*

Basically

The cup or chalice is symbolic of a womans vagina

The sword or lance is symbolic of the male penis

-sigh-everything has to be reduced to sex..

what you say is true but very sad...

The 'sex' interpretation came around from the DaVinci code. Its true meaning is far more important.

Originally Posted by numb3rs

-sigh-everything has to be reduced to sex..

what you say is true but very sad...

Yes most things can be explained by sex

Copulation and the coming together of the two to make three is a very profound formula that can be seen in action everywhere on our planet and not just between two people.

Why is this sad?

Why is 'sex' such a dirty word?

And why use the term 'reduced'??

Sex is a divine magical ritual which creates, and is probably the closest us humans will ever get to this idea called God.

If it wasn't for sex you wouldn't be here posting on this forum.

When I came to this thread it was with a strong suspicion that the myth of the holy grail actually had pagan origins and sure enough internet research reveal that this has Celtic pagan origins (The Celts were all over northern europe). Thus this idea probably became absorbed into the Christian worldview and mythos along with a lot of other things.