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    (Q), are you aware that you just made a fool of yourself?
    Whence comes this logic: no evidence = false?

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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
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    As for your question: both my parents and I are Christians.
    We have winner! Congratulations! Another successful indoctrination.
    (Q) and SPT. I bid you you are very good friends.
    I am friends with everyone on this forum.
    Whence comes this logic: no evidence = false?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scientstphilosophertheist
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    As for your question: both my parents and I are Christians.
    We have winner! Congratulations! Another successful indoctrination.
    You completely dodged this:

    None of the definitions fit me, therefore I wasn't indoctrinated. If you suggest otherwise, you're illogical (surprise, surprise).

    As for your question: both my parents and I are Christians. This does not mean I was indoctrinated. The definition of 'indoctrination' is not "having the same beliefs as one's parents".
    You are very, very irrational. Your zealousness and preconceptions really blocked your ability to reason.

    None of the definitions of 'indoctrination' fit me. How, then, can you conclude that I was indoctrinated?
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    Indoctrination - 1. to instruct in a doctrine, principle, ideology, etc., esp. to imbue with a specific partisan or biased belief or point of view
    You were raised Christian and you remain Christian. You probably went to church as long as you remember and were told by your most trusted authority figures to believe in and love Jesus Christ. And you do. You probably built some relationships through church to further strengthen your belief. Evidence is strong for indoctrination. Just because you made some disclaimer that you weren't doesn't mean that you weren't :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neutrino
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    Indoctrination - 1. to instruct in a doctrine, principle, ideology, etc., esp. to imbue with a specific partisan or biased belief or point of view
    (Q) cited that definition, and I expressly said I wasn't instructed or imbued in any doctrines or principles (hence, I started to become a modern Christian as soon as I adopted Christianity).

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    You were raised Christian and you remain Christian.
    I wasn't 'raised Christian'. Again, I wasn't 'imbued' with any doctrines. I was raised a freethinker. My mom never said "Christianity is right, and you must follow it". She didn't even know here Bible. She wasn't (and isn't) even baptized (which is a requirement to be a True Christian(tm) in Jamaica).

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    You probably went to church as long as you remember and were told by your most trusted authority figures to believe in and love Jesus Christ.
    I never used to attend Church. I found it boring, and so I never went; my mom (whom I chiefly grew up with) had no problem with that since she didn't (and doesn't) go either. Nor was I a fan of authority figures (which is why, even when I decided to go to Church, I was never a member of any or regular attendee to church).

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    And you do. You probably built some relationships through church to further strengthen your belief.
    "Built some relationships"?

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    Evidence is strong for indoctrination.
    Evidence? You just made everything up! Where'd you get your evidence? Did you do a background check on me?

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    Just because you made some disclaimer that you weren't doesn't mean that you weren't :P
    But the fact that the definition doesn't fit me means I wasn't.

    For the final time, I wasn't indoctrinated.
    Please stop making stuff up to fit your preconceptions.
    Whence comes this logic: no evidence = false?

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    Sheesh relax. I said "probably" twice (because I have no idea how you grew up), and stated a common circumstance of Christians who had Christian parents. The vast majority of Christian parents take their kids to church with them every week. So if you're the rare exception, do you think that many Christians who DO fit into the scenario I decribe were indoctrinated, or not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neutrino
    Sheesh relax. I said "probably" twice (because I have no idea how you grew up), and stated a common circumstance of Christians who had Christian parents. The vast majority of Christian parents take their kids to church with them every week. So if you're the rare exception, do you think that many Christians who DO fit into the scenario I decribe were indoctrinated, or not?
    Who knows? Its only theory. Nothing can be explained as easily as scientists say. Just because it is logical doesn't mean its the truth.
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    Er, what's only a theory?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neutrino
    Er, what's only a theory?
    Your statement :P.
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    Still slightly confused. Do you mean that children who are raised Christian by Christian parents, who were brought to church each week growing up, said grace before each meal and so on and remained Christian through life are not indoctrinated? Or do you mean that the situation I just described doesn't happen very often anyway so it's inaccurate to claim that lots of religious people are religious due to indoctrination?
    Actually just looking at how religion is divided up so nicely geographically supports indoctrination - why is it that you don't have americans grow up to embrace Islam? Why don't you have tons of people in China grow up and decide to be Christian? Even if it's not their parents directly influencing beliefs, the culture you grow up in plays a strong role.
    Jesus isn't any more likely to be divine just because you were born in Alabama. Hinduism isn't more likely to be correct just because you were born in India. But that's how people's beliefs align anyway - people tend not to "discover it for themselves", they just believe what people around them believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scientstphilosophertheist

    For the final time, I wasn't indoctrinated.
    Please stop making stuff up to fit your preconceptions.
    I'm sure most if not all Christians would deny being indoctrinated as children, that is, if they are able to remember their childhood, which they most likely don't.

    Of course, you're not a Muslim or a Jew. I wonder why? Hmmm...

    It must be just complete coincidence that you and your parents are Christians. Yes, that must be it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neutrino
    Still slightly confused. Do you mean that children who are raised Christian by Christian parents, who were brought to church each week growing up, said grace before each meal and so on and remained Christian through life are not indoctrinated? Or do you mean that the situation I just described doesn't happen very often anyway so it's inaccurate to claim that lots of religious people are religious due to indoctrination?
    Actually just looking at how religion is divided up so nicely geographically supports indoctrination - why is it that you don't have americans grow up to embrace Islam? Why don't you have tons of people in China grow up and decide to be Christian? Even if it's not their parents directly influencing beliefs, the culture you grow up in plays a strong role.
    Jesus isn't any more likely to be divine just because you were born in Alabama. Hinduism isn't more likely to be correct just because you were born in India. But that's how people's beliefs align anyway - people tend not to "discover it for themselves", they just believe what people around them believe.
    I have another analogy for this one.

    People in North America believe the dinosaurs were killed off due to an asteroid. People in the Europe believed it was baceria or viruses while people in Asia believe it was smaller animals eating the dinosaurs eggs. These are all legitimate scientific theories as to how the dinosaurs may have become extinct. But, is it good science in that those theories are distributed geographically throughout the world's population.

    How then can religions be valid if they too are distributed geographically around the world?
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    Quote Originally Posted by (Q)
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    For the final time, I wasn't indoctrinated.
    Please stop making stuff up to fit your preconceptions.
    I'm sure most if not all Christians would deny being indoctrinated as children, that is, if they are able to remember their childhood, which they most likely don't.

    Of course, you're not a Muslim or a Jew. I wonder why? Hmmm...

    It must be just complete coincidence that you and your parents are Christians. Yes, that must be it.
    Because where I grew up Christianity was dominant. If I were to choose to follow a religion, it's very likely that I'd choose Christianity.

    Logic, meet (Q). (Q), meet logic.
    Whence comes this logic: no evidence = false?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scientstphilosophertheist
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    For the final time, I wasn't indoctrinated.
    Please stop making stuff up to fit your preconceptions.
    I'm sure most if not all Christians would deny being indoctrinated as children, that is, if they are able to remember their childhood, which they most likely don't.

    Of course, you're not a Muslim or a Jew. I wonder why? Hmmm...

    It must be just complete coincidence that you and your parents are Christians. Yes, that must be it.
    Because where I grew up Christianity was dominant. If I were to choose to follow a religion, it's very likely that I'd choose Christianity.

    Logic, meet (Q). (Q), meet logic.
    LOL. If you look, what you put there looks like two magnifying glasses, or:

    O_O Wide open eyes, .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neutrino
    Sheesh relax. I said "probably" twice (because I have no idea how you grew up), and stated a common circumstance of Christians who had Christian parents. The vast majority of Christian parents take their kids to church with them every week. So if you're the rare exception, do you think that many Christians who DO fit into the scenario I decribe were indoctrinated, or not?
    First, I wasn't really riled up... (see the smiley faces in my post )

    That said,

    I do think that the overwhelming majority of Christians believe because of indoctrination. It's unhealthy for many of them too. As a result, there are some Christians that I'd be happy to see deconvert to atheism.
    Whence comes this logic: no evidence = false?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scientstphilosophertheist
    Because where I grew up Christianity was dominant. If I were to choose to follow a religion, it's very likely that I'd choose Christianity.
    Welcome to the world of indoctrination.

    You didn't choose Christianity, it was chosen for you.
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    (Q) said:

    You didn't choose Christianity, it was chosen for you.
    I did not realize that (q) was so well versed in Calvinist theology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by (Q)
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    Because where I grew up Christianity was dominant. If I were to choose to follow a religion, it's very likely that I'd choose Christianity.
    Welcome to the world of indoctrination.

    You didn't choose Christianity, it was chosen for you.
    Yep... Iiirational...
    Whence comes this logic: no evidence = false?

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    Quote Originally Posted by daytonturner

    I did not realize that (q) was so well versed in Calvinist theology.
    Unfortunately, Calvin was NOT well versed in geography.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scientstphilosophertheist
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    Because where I grew up Christianity was dominant. If I were to choose to follow a religion, it's very likely that I'd choose Christianity.
    Welcome to the world of indoctrination.

    You didn't choose Christianity, it was chosen for you.
    Yep... Iiirational...
    You call yourself a scientist yet you do not realise what neuro psychology is...
    Childrens minds are fragile, if they are told something all their life, they will believe it... unless you have enough will power and logic to figure out it's flaws.
    Why do you think that children, raised by a racist, are racist? Because they are told that anyone NOT white are below "us"in every sense. Why do you think people believe in god? Because they are told their entire life that god was a factual being. It's a propogated lie that you refuse to disbelief, because you have been told your entire life that something is real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by verzen
    Quote Originally Posted by scientstphilosophertheist
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    Quote Originally Posted by scientstphilosophertheist
    Because where I grew up Christianity was dominant. If I were to choose to follow a religion, it's very likely that I'd choose Christianity.
    Welcome to the world of indoctrination.

    You didn't choose Christianity, it was chosen for you.
    Yep... Iiirational...
    You call yourself a scientist yet you do not realise what neuro psychology is...
    Childrens minds are fragile, if they are told something all their life, they will believe it... unless you have enough will power and logic to figure out it's flaws.
    Why do you think that children, raised by a racist, are racist? Because they are told that anyone NOT white are below "us"in every sense. Why do you think people believe in god? Because they are told their entire life that god was a factual being. It's a propogated lie that you refuse to disbelief, because you have been told your entire life that something is real.
    I wasn't raised to believe in God. Yet I do,and di so literally overnight. Science cannot explain everything.

    PS, Why are you constantly exploring this section (religion) only? There some psychology for that.

    Your age is 14 isn't it?
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    Hah, no =P
    I'm very sick with strep throat, and it's the only thing I can do. I LOVE debating.
    I'm 23 btw. =P Im also on the verge of joining Mensa. I took their practice test and some of their problems are EASY as HELL... =P
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    Quote Originally Posted by verzen
    Hah, no =P
    I'm very sick with strep throat, and it's the only thing I can do. I LOVE debating.
    I'm 23 btw. =P Im also on the verge of joining Mensa. I took their practice test and some of their problems are EASY as HELL... =P
    I am a mass debator on this forum.

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