Notices
Results 1 to 8 of 8

Thread: Genuine Goodness

  1. #1 Genuine Goodness 
    Time Lord zinjanthropos's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Driving in my car
    Posts
    6,039
    Can a religious person act genuinely? Is the concern over how God perceives an action a major factor when a religious person decides to commit a good deed? Are some deeds worth more in God's eyes than others and does it affect the decision making process?

    In the big ledger God keeps on everybody, how are the deeds rated? Is donating to a food bank worth more points than actually volunteering to work there? What would you consider the number one deed a believer can perform to virtually guarantee a ticket to heaven? Martyrdom?

    Has anyone ever refused to do one good deed over another because the other was deemed to be of higher value in God's scorebook? I wonder how many believers actually do things out of the goodness of their heart without thinking about how God perceives it.

    If an atheist and theist each volunteer to partake in an event that helps their fellow man then who is more genuine? The atheist has no motive for committing a kind act other than feeling good. Maybe I'm wrong but I can't see how a theist can be as genuine because there is just too much to worry about and a lot more at stake.


    All that belongs to human understanding, in this deep ignorance and obscurity, is to be skeptical, or at least cautious; and not to admit of any hypothesis, whatsoever; much less, of any which is supported by no appearance of probability...Hume
    Reply With Quote  
     

  2.  
     

  3. #2  
    WYSIWYG Moderator marnixR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Cardiff, Wales
    Posts
    5,810
    a mars bar is full of goodness, but as far as i'm aware it doesn't take any sides in the theist/atheist debate


    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
    Reply With Quote  
     

  4. #3  
    Forum Professor Obviously's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Norway
    Posts
    1,415
    I strongly hold the belief (man, I hate saying that) that there are no unselfish deed without benefit. But sure, religious people has a omnipotent policeman in the skies watching over them, so they might do what they do for more selfish reasons (if you consider their reward in Heaven for example). Religious people do have the tendency to give God to much credit for all the good things that happens, and blame the devil for all the bad things, even if they are morally reprehensible for their own actions. If an atheist does a bad thing, he knows that will rest on his consciousness until the day he dies. But a theist can blame a devil for all the bad things.

    Is this an unfair statement perhaps?
    Reply With Quote  
     

  5. #4  
    Administrator KALSTER's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    South Africa
    Posts
    8,245
    Not at all.
    Disclaimer: I do not declare myself to be an expert on ANY subject. If I state something as fact that is obviously wrong, please don't hesitate to correct me. I welcome such corrections in an attempt to be as truthful and accurate as possible.

    "Gullibility kills" - Carl Sagan
    "All people know the same truth. Our lives consist of how we chose to distort it." - Harry Block
    "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle
    Reply With Quote  
     

  6. #5 Re: Genuine Goodness 
    Forum Masters Degree geezer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    london
    Posts
    540
    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    Can a religious person act genuinely?
    that I very much doubt, their minds are cluttered with the mind virus, what they may think is genuine, what they may insist is genuine, to them is genuine, as they are physically ill, brainwashed.
    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    Is the concern over how God perceives an action a major factor when a religious person decides to commit a good deed?
    of course, their whole being is to please God, to love Jesus. Would you not want to please the one you love, is that not a selfish act, does it not give you pleasure too , (in the giving/doing)you could say everything anybody does is a selfish act, however what we should say is, is it more selfish to do things because you believe it is what your God wants, the answer is a resounding yes, it should be what you want to do, even if it gives you a little pleasure.
    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    Are some deeds worth more in God's eyes than others and does it affect the decision making process?
    well of course, their whole life evolves around doing what there god wishes even if that meant killing, harming, shunning their mother and father, siblings etc...
    this is why this mind virus is so horrible, the victims of it never know there afflicted, until there cured.
    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    In the big ledger God keeps on everybody, how are the deeds rated? Is donating to a food bank worth more points than actually volunteering to work there?
    I would think that to the individual religious person, whatever they believe there God wants, will be the right thing to do.and I sure they would think, they scored more points than, fred or jo next door, it is just the way of the beast.
    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    What would you consider the number one deed a believer can perform to virtually guarantee a ticket to heaven? Martyrdom?
    if they believe it's what their God wants then yes. ( notice: how I keep saying "if they believe" this is because it is all subjective to the individual religious person.
    each religious person is going to have a completely different view from the next, hence why we have such a diversity of religions, and religious sects
    )
    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    If an atheist and theist each volunteer to partake in an event that helps their fellow man then who is more genuine?
    Is this not blatently obvious, too you, one has a belief that, what they do is what there God wants, the other does it because it is the right thing to do, he helps without being given a carrot.
    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    , The atheist has no motive for committing a kind act other than feeling good. Maybe I'm wrong but I can't see how a theist can be as genuine because there is just too much to worry about and a lot more at stake.
    they believe theres a lot more at stake, because this is the nature of the affliction. all they do, all they want to do, is appease their God.
    "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense - Buddha"
    Reply With Quote  
     

  7. #6  
    The Doctor Quantime's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    United Kingdom
    Posts
    4,546
    Well in the Bible in James it states that for a man to be great in the eyes of The LORD (or something along those lines), he must have faith AND deeds. For example: Some Chrisitian believes in God strongly but still goes to strip clubs etc (if that is a crime), better one, steals. He has faith but no deeds.

    If one does brilliant charity work, helps the needy and sacrafices their abilities to help others, then they have deeds. In effect this person is equal to the faithful person in Gods eyes (you may think, hm that seems unfair, but I don't make the rules God does and I live up tp them).

    So that is what basically it means. From what I've read and seen, its that everyone in the end is happy and A. O. K . But the 144,000 most righteous people go to the New Jerusalem to rule as Kings along side Jesus over the new Earth (all this is after Armaggeddon, Judgment Day etc).

    So by being the most righteous you have faith and deeds in The LORD. Which I'm sure you've heard me say I have before on this forum . Hope it helps.
    "If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe". - Carl Sagan
    Reply With Quote  
     

  8. #7  
    WYSIWYG Moderator marnixR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Cardiff, Wales
    Posts
    5,810
    any particular reason why you capitalise the word 'lord' ?
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
    Reply With Quote  
     

  9. #8  
    Forum Sophomore
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    134
    In the eyes of God there isn't a point system. Just a Check or an X. You are washed under the blood of Christ and forgiven of your sins or your not. The Bible doesn't suggest that sin is on a grand scale of what is better or worse. Religion has suggested that and added it to the implied message of the Bible but the scripture itself doesn't say that.
    If we disagree then you must be right...
    Reply With Quote  
     

Bookmarks
Bookmarks
Posting Permissions
  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •