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  1. #1 Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Qur'an 
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    In the name of Allah the Most merciful,

    I will describe some of scientific phenomenon which were discovered in our century, and EXIST in the book GIVEN by ALLAH to MUHAMMED THE PROPHET OF HUMANITY KIND, 1428 years ago.

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    The miracle in iron

    Iron is one of the elements highlighted in the Qur’an. In Surat al-Hadid, meaning Iron, we are informed:

    …And We sent down iron in which there lies great force and which has many uses for mankind.... (Surat al-Hadid: 25)

    The word “sent down” particularly used for iron in the verse, could be thought of having a metaphorical meaning to explain that iron is given to the service of people. But when we take into consideration the literal meaning of the word, which is, “being physically sent down from the sky”, we realize that this verse implies a very significant scientific miracle.

    This is because modern astronomical findings have disclosed that the metal of iron found in our world has come down from the giant stars in outer space.

    The heavy metals in the universe are produced in the nucleus of big stars. Our solar system, however, does not have a suitable structure to produce iron on its own. Iron can only be produced in much bigger stars than the sun, where the temperature reaches a few hundred million degrees. When the amount of iron exceeds a certain level in a star, the star can no longer bear it and eventually it explodes in what is called a “nova” or a “supernova”. As a result of this explosion, meteors containing iron are scattered around the universe and they move through the void until attracted by the gravitational force of a celestial body.

    All this shows that the iron metal did not form on the earth but was carried from exploding stars in space via meteors and was “sent down to earth” exactly the same way as stated in the verse: It is clear that this fact could not have been scientifically known in the 7th century, when the Qur’an was revealed.

    ( And We sent down iron in which there lies great force and which has many uses for mankind.) (Surat al-Hadid: 25)

    In addition, the 25th verse of Surat al-Hadid, which refers to iron, includes two interesting mathematical codes. Surat al-Hadid is the 57th Surah in the Qur’an. The numerical value of the word “Al-Hadid” in Arabic, in other words its Abjad, is the same number: 57. The numerical value of the word “Hadid” alone is 26, and 26 is the atomic number of iron.

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    Orbits

    While referring to the sun and the moon in the Qur’an, it is emphasized that each moves in a certain orbit.

    ( It is He Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon.They swim along, each in an orbit.) (Surat al-Anbiya, 33)

    It is mentioned in another verse too that the sun is not static but moves in a certain orbit:

    ( And the sun runs to its resting place. That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing.) (Surah Ya Sin, 38)

    These facts communicated in the Qur’an have been discovered by astronomical observations in our age. According to the calculations of experts on astronomy, the sun is traveling at the enormous speed of 720 thousand kilometers an hour in the direction of the star Vega in a particular orbit called the Solar Apex. This means that the sun travels roughly 17 million and 280 thousand kilometers a day. Along with the sun, all planets and satellites within the gravitational system of the sun also travel the same distance. In addition, all the stars in the universe are in a similar planned motion.

    That the entire universe is full of paths and orbits such as this one, is inscribed in the Qur’an as follows:

    ( By the sky full of paths and orbits.) (Surat adh-Dhariyat, 7)

    There are about 200 billion galaxies in the universe consisting of nearly 200 billion stars in each. Most of these stars have planets and most of those planets have satellites. All of these heavenly bodies move in very precisely computed orbits. For millions of years, each has been “swimming” along in its own orbit in perfect harmony and order with all the others. Moreover, many comets also move along in the orbits determined for them.

    The orbits in the universe do not only belong to celestial bodies. The galaxies also travel at enormous speeds in computed, planned orbits. During these movements, none of these celestial bodies cut across another’s path, or collide with another. Indeed, it has been observed that some galaxies pass through each other with none of their components touching each other.

    Surely at the time the Qur’an was revealed, humankind did not possess today’s telescopes or advanced observation technologies to observe space in a range of millions of kilometers, nor the modern knowledge of physics or astronomy. Therefore, at that time, it was not possible to determine scientifically that space is “full of paths and orbits” as stated in the verse. However, this was openly declared to us in the Qur’an that was revealed at that time:–because the Qur’an is the word of God.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    In the name of Allah the Most merciful,

    I will describe some of scientific phenomenon which were discovered in our century, and EXIST in the book GIVEN by ALLAH to MUHAMMED THE PROPHET OF HUMANITY KIND, 1428 years ago.

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    The miracle in iron

    Iron is one of the elements highlighted in the Qur’an. In Surat al-Hadid, meaning Iron, we are informed:

    …And We sent down iron in which there lies great force and which has many uses for mankind.... (Surat al-Hadid: 25)

    The word “sent down” particularly used for iron in the verse, could be thought of having a metaphorical meaning to explain that iron is given to the service of people. But when we take into consideration the literal meaning of the word, which is, “being physically sent down from the sky”, we realize that this verse implies a very significant scientific miracle.

    This is because modern astronomical findings have disclosed that the metal of iron found in our world has come down from the giant stars in outer space.

    The heavy metals in the universe are produced in the nucleus of big stars. Our solar system, however, does not have a suitable structure to produce iron on its own. Iron can only be produced in much bigger stars than the sun, where the temperature reaches a few hundred million degrees. When the amount of iron exceeds a certain level in a star, the star can no longer bear it and eventually it explodes in what is called a “nova” or a “supernova”. As a result of this explosion, meteors containing iron are scattered around the universe and they move through the void until attracted by the gravitational force of a celestial body.

    All this shows that the iron metal did not form on the earth but was carried from exploding stars in space via meteors and was “sent down to earth” exactly the same way as stated in the verse: It is clear that this fact could not have been scientifically known in the 7th century, when the Qur’an was revealed.

    ( And We sent down iron in which there lies great force and which has many uses for mankind.) (Surat al-Hadid: 25)

    In addition, the 25th verse of Surat al-Hadid, which refers to iron, includes two interesting mathematical codes. Surat al-Hadid is the 57th Surah in the Qur’an. The numerical value of the word “Al-Hadid” in Arabic, in other words its Abjad, is the same number: 57. The numerical value of the word “Hadid” alone is 26, and 26 is the atomic number of iron.

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    "And We sent down iron in which there lies great force and which has many uses for mankind." Who are we?
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    THE BIRTH OF A HUMAN BEING
    Three Stages of the Baby in the Womb


    In the Qur'an, it is related that man is created in a three-stage process in the mother's womb.

    (... He creates you stage by stage in your mothers' wombs in a threefold darkness. That is God, your Lord. Sovereignty is His. There is no god but Him. So what has made you deviate?) (The Qur'an, 39:6)

    As will be understood, it is pointed out in this verse that a human being is created in the mother's womb in three distinct stages. Indeed, modern biology has revealed that the baby's embryological development takes place in three distinct regions in the mother's womb. Today, in all the embryology textbooks studied in faculties of medicine, this subject is taken as an element of basic knowledge. For instance in Basic Human Embryology, a fundamental reference text in the field of embryology, this fact is stated as follows: "The life in the uterus has three stages: pre-embryonic; first two and a half weeks, embryonic; until the end of the eight week, and fetal; from the eight week to labor." (1)

    These phases refer to the different developmental stages of a baby. In brief, the main characteristics of these developmental stages are as follows:

    - Pre-embryonic stage : In this first phase, the zygote grows by division, and when it becomes a cell cluster, it buries itself in the wall of the uterus. While they continue growing, the cells organise themselves in three layers.

    - Embryonic Stage : The second phase lasts for five and a half weeks, during which the baby is called an "embryo". In this stage, the basic organs and systems of the body start to appear from the cell layers.

    - Fetal stage : From this stage on, the embryo is called a "foetus". This phase begins at the eighth week of gestation and lasts until the moment of birth. The distinctive characteristic of this stage is that the foetus looks just like a human being, with its face, hands and feet. Although it is only 3 cm. long initially, all of its organs have become apparent. This phase lasts for about 30 weeks, and development continues until the week of delivery.
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    Iron (IPA: /ˈaiə(ɹ)n/) is a chemical element with the symbol Fe (Latin: ferrum) and atomic number 26. Iron is a group 8 and period 4 metal. Iron is a lustrous, silvery soft metal. Iron and nickel are notable for being the final elements produced by stellar nucleosynthesis, and thus are the heaviest elements which do not require a supernova or similarly cataclysmic event for formation. Iron and nickel are therefore the most abundant metals in metallic meteorites and in the dense-metal cores of planets such as Earth.

    Iron is one of the few ferromagnetic elements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obviously

    "And We sent down iron in which there lies great force and which has many uses for mankind." Who are we?
    WE = ALLAH the one

    FORM OF GLORY OF THE KING, as the rules of arabic language
    So this is a translation of "nahnou" from arbic.

    As in english:
    "You" for example to a president
    and "you" for a familiar or simple man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obviously
    Iron (IPA: /ˈaiə(ɹ)n/) is a chemical element with the symbol Fe (Latin: ferrum) and atomic number 26. Iron is a group 8 and period 4 metal. Iron is a lustrous, silvery soft metal. Iron and nickel are notable for being the final elements produced by stellar nucleosynthesis, and thus are the heaviest elements which do not require a supernova or similarly cataclysmic event for formation. Iron and nickel are therefore the most abundant metals in metallic meteorites and in the dense-metal cores of planets such as Earth.

    Iron is one of the few ferromagnetic elements.
    try not too feed the troll, this rubbish has been done to death it has been refute on numerous occasions the man is far far to blinkered to see how irrational he is.
    so dont feed the troll.
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    The layers of the atmosphere

    One fact about the universe revealed in the verses of the Qur’an is that the sky is made up of seven layers.

    (It is He who created everything on the earth for you and then directed His attention up to heaven and arranged it into seven regular heavens. He has knowledge of all things.) (Surat al-Baqara, 29)

    (Then He turned to heaven when it was smoke...) (Surat al-Fussilat, 11)

    (In two days He determined them as seven heavens and revealed, in every heaven, its own mandate.) (Surat al-Fussilat, 12)


    The Earth has all the attributes that are needed for life. One of them is the atmosphere, which serves as a shield protecting living things. Today, it is an established fact that the atmosphere is made up of different layers lying on top of one another. Just as it is described in
    the Qur'an, the atmosphere is made up of exactly seven layers. This is certainly one of the miracles of the Qur'an.


    The word “heavens”, which appears in many verses in the Qur’an, is used to refer to the sky of the earth as well as the entire universe. Given this meaning of the word, it is seen that the earth’s sky or the atmosphere is made up of seven layers.

    Indeed, today it is known that the world’s atmosphere consists of different layers that lie on top of each other. Furthermore, it consists, just as is described in the Qur’an, exactly of seven layers. In a scientific source, the subject is described as follows:

    Scientists have found that the atmosphere consists of several layers. The layers differ in such physical properties as pressure and the types of gasses. The layer of the atmosphere closest to Earth is called the TROPOSPHERE. It contains about 90% of the total mass of the atmosphere. The layer above the troposphere is called the STRATOSPHERE. The OZONE LAYER is the part of the stratosphere where absorption of ultraviolet rays occurs. The layer above the stratosphere is called the MESOSPHERE. The THERMOSPHERE lies above the mesosphere. The ionized gases form a layer within the thermosphere called the IONOSPHERE. The outermost part of Earth’s atmosphere extends from about 480 km out to 960 km. This part is called the EXOSPHERE.

    If we count the number of layers cited in this source, we see that the atmosphere consists of exactly seven layers, just as stated in the verse. It is a great miracle that these facts, which could not possibly be discovered without the technology of the 20th century, were explicitly stated by the Qur’an 1,400 years ago.
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    Sherif, some of the "facts" you have mentioned so far also exist in the bible in a slightly different form, who's to say that Mohamed didn't get them from the bible and was simply pretending to be a prophet ?

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    Also, lets just say that god did give us those little snippets of information, why didn't he just say this.....
    According to the calculations of experts on astronomy, the sun is traveling at the enormous speed of 720 thousand kilometers an hour in the direction of the star Vega in a particular orbit called the Solar Apex. This means that the sun travels roughly 17 million and 280 thousand kilometers a day. Along with the sun, all planets and satellites within the gravitational system of the sun also travel the same distance. In addition, all the stars in the universe are in a similar planned motion.

    There are about 200 billion galaxies in the universe consisting of nearly 200 billion stars in each. Most of these stars have planets and most of those planets have satellites. All of these heavenly bodies move in very precisely computed orbits. For millions of years, each has been “swimming” along in its own orbit in perfect harmony and order with all the others. Moreover, many comets also move along in the orbits determined for them.

    The orbits in the universe do not only belong to celestial bodies. The galaxies also travel at enormous speeds in computed, planned orbits. During these movements, none of these celestial bodies cut across another’s path, or collide with another. Indeed, it has been observed that some galaxies pass through each other with none of their components touching each other.
    rather than talking in riddles ?
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    THE PAIRS IN CREATION
    (Glory be to Him Who created all the pairs: from what the earth produces and from themselves and from things unknown to them.) (The Qur'an, 36:36)

    Although the concept of ''pair'' or "couple" commonly stands for male and female, the statement of ''from things unknown to them'' has wider implications. Today, one of the implications of the verse has been revealed. The British scientist Paul Dirac, who proposed that matter is created in pairs, was awarded the Nobel Prize for physics in 1933. This discovery, called ''parité'', maintains that matter is paired with its opposite: anti-matter. Anti-matter carries the opposite properties to matter. For instance, as opposed to matter, the electron of anti-matter is positively charged and its protons are negatively charged. This fact is stated in a scientific source in this way:

    “...every particle has its antiparticle of opposite charge… …and the uncertainty relation tells us that pair creation and pair annihilation happen in the vacuum at all times, in all places.”(1)
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    Why did god create an exact opposite of our own universe ? What was the point in that ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    Sherif, some of the "facts" you have mentioned so far also exist in the bible in a slightly different form, who's to say that Mohamed didn't get them from the bible and was simply pretending to be a prophet ?

    Good question,

    let me tell you that the prophet MUHAMMED never wrote something because he was an illiterate man.
    this would make the Quran's extraordinary literary excellence truly miraculous.

    I will show you many others Scientific evident in the quran which never has been in the BIBLE
    I respect BIBLE because is from ALLAH also, but some evil people through the history have written on the bible some lies.
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    We dont even have scientific evidence that there is an anti-universe, that is just a hypothesis of a few scientists.

    Even Nostradamus generalizations are better fitting than this joke of an argument,and that is saying a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    Why did god create an exact opposite of our own universe ? What was the point in that ?
    Please, explain more,
    What do you want to say by "an exact opposite of our own universe"?

    but: i will treat that subject about the creation of universe later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostofMaxwell
    We dont even have scientific evidence that there is an anti-universe, that is just a hypothesis of a few scientists.
    Wasn't there an experiment involving two metal plate suspended in a vacuum during the forty's or fifty's which was supposed to have proved it's (anti universe) existence ? The two plates moved towards each other over several years, or something like that. Anyone have any ideas ? I remember seeing it somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    Quote Originally Posted by GhostofMaxwell
    We dont even have scientific evidence that there is an anti-universe, that is just a hypothesis of a few scientists.
    Wasn't there an experiment involving two metal plate suspended in a vacuum during the forty's or fifty's which was supposed to have proved it's (anti universe) existence ? The two plates moved towards each other over several years, or something like that. Anyone have any ideas ? I remember seeing it somewhere.
    I think you are referring to the quantum mechanical principle of zeropoint energy.

    Multi-universes are speculative.

    Maybe you are referring to antimatter(although antimatter is firmly placed in this universe)?
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    BLACK HOLES

    The 20th century saw a great many new discoveries regarding celestial phenomena in the universe. One of these entities, which has only recently been encountered, is the Black Hole. These are formed when a star which has consumed all its fuel collapses in on itself, eventually turning into a black hole with infinite density and zero volume and an immensely powerful magnetic field. We are unable to see black holes even with the most powerful telescope, because their gravitational pull is so strong that light is unable to escape from them. However, such a collapsed star can be perceived by means of the effect it has on the surrounding area. In Surat al-Waqi'a, Allah draws attention this matter in this way, by swearing upon the position of stars:

    And I swear by the stars' positions-and that is a mighty oath if you only knew. (Qur'an, 56:75-76)



    The term "black hole" was first employed in 1969 by the American physicist John Wheeler. Previously, we imagined that we were able to see all the stars. However, it later emerged that there were stars in space whose light we were unable to perceive. Because, the light of these collapsed stars disappears. Light cannot escape from a black hole because it is such a high concentration of mass in a small space. The enormous gravitation captures even the fastest particles, i.e. the photons. For example, the final stage of a typical star, three times the mass of the Sun, ends after its burning out and its implosion as a black hole of only 20 kilometres in diameter! Black holes are "black," i.e. veiled from direct observation. They nevertheless reveal themselves indirectly, by the tremendous suction which their gravitational force exerts on other heavenly bodies. As well as depictions of the Day of Judgement, the verse below may also be pointing to this scientific discovery about black holes:

    When the stars are extinguished, (Qur'an, 77:8)

    Moreover, stars of great mass also cause warps to be perceived in space. Black holes, however, do not just cause warps in space but also tear holes in it. That is why these collapsed stars are known as black holes. This fact may be referred to in the verse about stars, and this is another important item of information demonstrating that the Qur'an is the Word of Allah:

    [I swear] by Heaven and the Tariq! And what will convey to you what the Tariq is? The Star Piercing [the darkness]! (Qur'an, 86:1-3)
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    SUB-ATOMIC PARTICLES


    1. Ordinary matter consists of atoms bound together by electromagnetic force to form molecules. These molecules come together to form solids, liquids and gasses.

    2. Atoms consist of a dense nucleus surrounded by a cloud of electrons. Electromagnetic force holds the nucleus and electrons together.

    3. The nucleus consists of protons and neutrons held together by a powerful nuclear force.

    4.Protons and neutrons consist of three quarks each and are held together by powerful nuclear force.

    Following the development of the atomic theory of the Greek philosopher Democritus, people used to believe that matter consisted of minute, indivisible and indestructible particles known as atoms. However, advances in the study of atoms have refuted this notion. At the present time, modern science has revealed that the atom, previously regarded as the smallest particle, can actually be split. This fact only emerged in the last century, but was revealed in the Qur'an 1,400 years ago:

    … He is the Knower of the Unseen, Whom not an atom's weight eludes, either in the heavens or in the earth; nor is there anything smaller or larger than that which is not in a Clear Book. (Qur'an, 34:3)

    … Not even an atom's weight eludes your Lord, either on earth or in heaven. Nor is there anything smaller than that, or larger, which is not in a Clear Book. (Qur'an, 10:61)

    This verse refers to "atom" and smaller particles still.

    Up until 20 years ago, it was believed that the smallest particles were the protons and neutrons which comprise the atom. Very recently, however, even smaller particles of which these themselves consist were discovered. A specialised branch of physics, called "particle physics," emerged to study these "sub-particles" and their particular behaviour. Particle physics research has revealed that the protons and neutrons which comprise the atoms actually consist of sub-particles known as quarks. The size of these quarks, the basic components of protons, whose small size is beyond human conception, is astonishing: 10-18 (0.000000000000000001 of a metre).49

    Another point worthy of note is that these verses draw particular attention to the weight of the atom. The word "mithqal," in the expression "mithqali tharratin" (an atom's weight) in the above verses, means weight. In fact, it has been discovered that the protons, neutrons and electrons which form the atom are also compounds which give the atom its weight. Therefore, it is yet another scientific miracle of the Qur'an that attention is drawn instead to the weight of the atom and not its size or any other feature.
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    THE RELATIVITY OF TIME

    Today, the relativity of time is a proven scientific fact. This was revealed by Einstein's theory of relativity during the early part of the 20th century. Until then, it was not known that time was relative, nor that it could change according to the circumstances. Yet, the renowned scientist Albert Einstein proved this fact by discovering the theory of relativity. He showed that time is dependent on mass and velocity.

    However, the Qur'an had already included information about time's being relative! Some verses about the subject read:

    … A day with your Lord is equivalent to a thousand years in the way you count. (Qur'an, 22:47)

    He directs the whole affair from heaven to earth. Then it will again ascend to Him on a Day whose length is a thousand years by the way you measure. (Qur'an, 32:5)

    The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day whose length is fifty thousand years. (Qur'an, 70:4)

    The fact that the relativity of time is so definitely mentioned in the Qur'an, which began to be revealed in 610, is more evidence that it is a divine book.
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    THE FORMATION OF PETROL

    Glorify the Name of your Lord, the Most High: He Who created and moulded; He Who determined and guided; He Who brings forth green pasture, then makes it blackened stubble. (Qur'an, 87:1-5)

    As we know, petrol forms from the remains of plants and animals in the sea. Once these have decayed on the sea bed after millions of years, all that is left are oily substances. These, under layers of mud and rock, then turn into petrol and gas. Movements in the Earth's crust sometimes lead to the sea petrifying and to the rocks containing petrol being buried thousands of metres deep. The petrol that forms sometimes leaks through the pores in the rock layers from several kilometres down, and rises to the surface, where it vaporises (turns into gas), leaving a mass of bitumen behind.

    The three elements identified in the first four verses of Surat al-A'la parallel the formation of petroleum. It is quite likely that the term "almaraa," meaning pasture or meadow, refers to the organically-based substances in the formation of petroleum. The second word of note in the verse is "ahwa," used to describe blackish-green, greenish-black, dark or sooty colours. This word can be thought of as describing the waste plant matter accumulated underground gradually turning black, since these words are supported by a third word, "ghuthaan." The word "ghuthaan" translated as stubble, can also mean flood-water plants, plants brought together by waste matter being collected and dispersed around valleys, rubbish, leaves or foam. In addition to the connotation of "vomiting out" implied in the word, it may also be translated as "to flood forth vomited matter," and describes the way that the earth "vomits" forth petroleum. In fact, in the light of the formation of petroleum, the way it emerges, its foam-like appearance and its colour, one can better see with what wisdom were employed the words in the verses.

    As has been discussed, the plant in the verse turning into a dark and viscous liquid bears a strong resemblance to the formation of petroleum. The description of such a formation over many years, at a time when the formation of petroleum was unknown, is without doubt another proof that the Qur'an is the revelation of Allah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    Why did god create an exact opposite of our own universe ? What was the point in that ?
    Please, explain more,
    What do you want to say by "an exact opposite of our own universe"?

    but: i will treat that subject about the creation of universe later.

    this is for you, my friend :
    http://www.creationofuniverse.com/
    Well for every piece of matter and energy in our own universe, there is an exact opposite in this anti universe. According to the theory, if the two (our matter/energy and the anti matter/energy) ever come into contact both universes will instantly disappear. Why did god create this anti universe if we can never go there, touch it or see it ?

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    With all due respect Sherif, i am making a conscious effort to be nice to you, my record in the past for talking to Muslims is not very good. I have absolutely NO desire to ever become one. The sole reason for asking these question (i appreciate your replies) and continuing in any debate is only for the purpose learning about your religion and your views of the world. The links and the "facts" you are providing mean very little to me and the other forum members, sometimes the content can be rather offensive and sometimes it's just plain stupid and unintentionally funny. Please stop posting them and please stop trying to convert us because I'm pretty certain nobody here is going to convert to Islam. Thank you.

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    I think you are referring to the quantum mechanical principle of zeropoint energy.

    Multi-universes are speculative.

    Maybe you are referring to antimatter(although antimatter is firmly placed in this universe)?
    Ahhh yes, it may have been about zero point energy. I'll have a look around for the experiment.
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    None of the things you've posted here, sherif003, has proven God nor that the Qur'an is by any means scientific. There might be philosophical viewpoints that might indicate in the smallest matter that they can relate to science in some way, but such things can be found everywhere.

    Things like:

    [I swear] by Heaven and the Tariq! And what will convey to you what the Tariq is? The Star Piercing [the darkness]! (Qur'an, 86:1-3)
    Might even be a metaphor for light piercing the darkness, but who cares.

    All you have provided for us are unclear tekst that can be interpreted in different ways, which only proves that no solid scientific facts can come from a book like the Qur'an, only philosophical indications that might slightly relate to science in some metaphorical circumstances.

    If we didn't have the scientific knowledge today, you would never interpret these metaphorical text in the way you've done here. It's because science is the reason for the way you've interpreted the text here, that alone is a fallacy.
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    THE SUN'S TRAJECTORY

    It is stressed in the Qur'an that the Sun and Moon follow specific trajectories:

    It is He Who created night and day and the sun and moon, each one swimming in a sphere. (Qur'an, 21:33)

    The word "swim" in the above verse is expressed in Arabic by the word "sabaha" and is used to describe the movement of the Sun in space. The word means that the Sun does not move randomly through space but that it rotates around its axis and follows a course as it does so. The fact that the Sun is not fixed in position but rather follows a specific trajectory is also stated in another verse:

    And the sun runs to its resting place. That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing. (Qur'an, 36:38)

    These facts set out in the Qur'an were only discovered by means of astronomical advances in our own time. According to astronomers' calculations, the Sun moves along a path known as the Solar Apex in the path of the star Vega at an incredible speed of 720,000 kmph. In rough terms, this shows that the Sun traverses some 17.28 million km a day. As well as the Sun itself, all the planets and satellites within its gravitational field also travel the same distance.
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    None of the things you've posted here, sherif003, has proven God nor that the Qur'an is by any means scientific. There might be philosophical viewpoints that might indicate in the smallest matter that they can relate to science in some way, but such things can be found everywhere.

    Things like:

    [I swear] by Heaven and the Tariq! And what will convey to you what the Tariq is? The Star Piercing [the darkness]! (Qur'an, 86:1-3)
    Might even be a metaphor for light piercing the darkness, but who cares.

    All you have provided for us are unclear tekst that can be interpreted in different ways, which only proves that no solid scientific facts can come from a book like the Qur'an, only philosophical indications that might slightly relate to science in some metaphorical circumstances.

    If we didn't have the scientific knowledge today, you would never interpret these metaphorical text in the way you've done here. It's because science is the reason for the way you've interpreted the text here, that alone is a fallacy.
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    THE IDENTITY IN THE FINGERPRINT


    Everyone, including identical twins, has a unique fingerprint. In other words, people's identities are coded at their fingertips. This coding system may also be compared to the barcode system that is used today.

    While it is stated in the Qur'an that it is easy for Allah to bring man back to life after death, peoples' fingerprints are particularly emphasized:

    Yes, We are able to put together in perfect order the very tips of his fingers. (Qur'an, 75:4)

    The emphasis on fingerprints has a very special meaning. This is because shapes and details on everyone's fingerprint are unique to each individual. Every person who is alive or who has ever lived in this world has a set of unique fingerprints. Furthermore, even identical twins having the very same DNA sequence have their own set of fingerprints.105

    Fingerprints attain their final shape before birth and remain the same for a lifetime unless a permanent scar appears. That is why fingerprints are accepted as a very important proof of identity, exclusive to their owner. The science of fingerprints has been used as a non-erring identity determination method.

    However, what is important is that this feature of fingerprints was only discovered in the late 19th century. Before then, people regarded fingerprints as ordinary curves without any specific importance or meaning. However in the Qur'an, Allah points to the fingertips, which did not attract anyone's attention at that time, and calls our attention to their importance. This importance has only been fully understood in our day.



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    MODERN MEANS OF TRANSPORT

    And horses, mules, and donkeys both to ride and for adornment. And He creates other things you do not know. (Qur'an, 16:8)

    The above verse indicates that in addition to the animals mentioned here, people will have various unknown (to them) means of transport. The following verse points to the fact that there will be such mass modes of transport as ships:

    A Sign for them is that We carried their families in the laden ship. And We have created for them the like of it, in which they sail. (Qur'an, 36:41-42)
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    THE QUR'AN IS THE WORD OF ALLAH

    All that we have seen in this work shows us one clear fact: The Qur'an, this extraordinary book which was revealed to the Seal of the Prophets, Muhammad (saas), is a source of inspiration and true knowledge. The book of Islam-no matter what subject it refers to-is being proved as Allah's Word as each new piece of historical, scientific or archaeological information comes to light. Facts about scientific subjects and the news delivered to us about the past and future, facts that no one could have known at the time of the Qur'an's revelation, are announced in its verses. It is impossible for this information, examples of which we have discussed in detail in this book, to have been known with the level of knowledge and technology available in 7th century Arabia. With this in mind, let us ask:

    Could anyone in 7th century Arabia have known that our atmosphere is made up of seven layers?

    Could anyone in 7th century Arabia have known in detail the various stages of development from which an embryo grows into a baby and then enters the world from inside his mother?

    Could anyone in 7th century Arabia have known that the universe is "steadily expanding," as the Qur'an puts it, when modern scientists have only in recent decades put forward the idea of the "Big Bang"?

    Could anyone in 7th century Arabia have known about the fact that each individual's fingertips are absolutely unique, when we have only discovered this fact recently, using modern technology and modern scientific equipment?

    Could anyone in 7th century Arabia have known about the role of one of Pharaoh's most prominent aids, Haman, when the details of hieroglyphic translation were only discovered two centuries ago?

    Could anyone in 7th century Arabia have known that the word "Pharaoh" was only used from the 14th century B.C. and not before, as the Old Testament erroneously claims?

    Could anyone in 7th century Arabia have known about Ubar and Iram's Pillars, which were only discovered in recent decades via the use of NASA satellite photographs?

    The only answer to these questions is as follows: the Qur'an is the Word of the Almighty Allah, the Originator of everything and the One Who encompasses everything with His knowledge. In one verse, Allah says, "If it had been from other than Allah, they would have found many inconsistencies in it." (Qur'an, 4:82) Every piece of information the Qur'an contains reveals the secret miracles of this divine book.

    The human being is meant to hold fast to this Divine Book revealed by Allah and to receive it with an open heart as his one and only guide in life. In the Qur'an, Allah tells us the following:

    This Qur'an could never have been devised by any besides Allah. Rather it is confirmation of what came before it and an elucidation of the Book which contains no doubt from the Lord of all the worlds. Do they say, "He has invented it"? Say: "Then produce a sura like it and call on anyone you can besides Allah if you are telling the truth." (Qur'an, 10:37-38)

    And this is a Book We have sent down and blessed, so follow it and have fear of Allah so that hopefully you will gain mercy. (Qur'an, 6:155)
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    All you have provided for us are unclear tekst that can be interpreted in different ways, which only proves that no solid scientific facts can come from a book like the Qur'an, only philosophical indications that might slightly relate to science in some metaphorical circumstances.

    If we didn't have the scientific knowledge today, you would never interpret these metaphorical text in the way you've done here. It's because science is the reason for the way you've interpreted the text here, that alone is a fallacy.
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    THE RETURNING SKY

    The verse 11 of Surat at-Tariq in the Qur'an, refers to the "returning" function of the sky.

    [I swear] by Heaven which returns. (Qur'an, 86:11)

    The word "rajaai" interpreted as "return" in Qur'an translations has meanings of "sending back" or "returning." As is known, the atmosphere surrounding the Earth consists of many layers. Each layer serves an important purpose for the benefit of life on Earth. Research has revealed that these layers have the function of turning the materials or rays they are exposed to back into space or back down to the Earth. Now let us examine, employing a few fitting examples, this "returning" function of the layers encircling the Earth.

    The presence of water is essential for life on Earth. One of the factors acting in the formation of water is the Troposphere, one of the layers of the atmosphere. The troposphere layer enables water vapour rising from the surface of the Earth to be condensed from whence it returns to the Earth in the form of rain.

    The atmosphere layer that blocks the rays that might be fatal to life on Earth is the Ozonosphere. The Ozonosphere turns harmful cosmic rays like ultraviolet back to space, hence preventing them from reaching the Earth and harming life.

    Each layer of the atmosphere has beneficial attributes for human beings. For example, the Ionosphere layer, one of the upper layers of the atmosphere, reflects radio waves broadcast from a certain centre back down to the Earth, thus enabling broadcasts to be received from long distances.

    The troposphere, 13 to 15 kilometres above the Earth, enables water vapour rising from the surface of the Earth to be condensed and turned back as rain. The ozone layer, the lower layer of stratosphere at an altitude of 25 kilometres, reflects harmful radiation and ultraviolet light coming from space and turns both back into space.

    The ionosphere reflects radio waves broadcast from the Earth back down to different parts of the world just like a passive communications satellite. Thus, it makes wireless communication, radio, and television broadcasting possible over long distances. The magnetosphere layer turns the harmful radioactive particles emitted by the Sun and other stars back into space before they reach the Earth.

    The fact that this property of the atmosphere's layers, that was only demonstrated in the recent past was announced centuries ago in the Qur'an, once again proves that the Qur'an is Allah's Word.
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    THE FORMATION OF RAIN

    How rain was formed remained a great mystery for quite some time. Only after the weather radar was invented was it possible to discover the stages by which rain is formed.

    According to this discovery, the formation of rain takes place in three stages. First, the "raw material" of rain rises up into the air with the wind. Later, clouds are formed, and finally raindrops appear.

    The Qur'an's account of the formation of rain refers exactly to this process. In one verse, this formation is described in this way:

    It is Allah Who sends the winds which stir up clouds which He spreads about the sky however He wills. He forms them into dark clumps and you see the rain come pouring out from the middle of them. When He makes it fall on those of His servants He wills, they rejoice. (Qur'an, 30:48)

    Now, let us examine these three stages outlined in the verse in more detail.

    FIRST STAGE: "It is Allah Who sends the winds..."

    Countless air bubbles formed by the foaming of the oceans continuously burst and cause water particles to be ejected towards the sky. These particles, which are rich in salt, are then carried away by winds and rise upward in the atmosphere. These particles, which are called aerosols, function as water traps, and form cloud drops by collecting around the water vapour themselves, which rises from the seas as tiny droplets.

    SECOND STAGE: ".... which stir up clouds which He spreads about the sky however He wills. He forms them into dark clumps..."

    The clouds are formed from water vapour that condenses around the salt crystals or dust particles in the air. Because the water droplets in these clouds are very small (with a diameter between 0.01 and 0.02 mm), the clouds are suspended in the air, and spread across the sky. Thus, the sky is covered in clouds.


    The above illustration shows the water droplets being released into the air. This is the first stage in the formation of rain. After that, the water droplets in the newly formed clouds will be suspended in the air and then condense to form rain. All of these stages are related in the Qur'an.



    THIRD STAGE: "…and you see the rain come pouring out from the middle of them"

    The water particles that surround salt crystals and dust particles thicken and form raindrops, so, drops that become heavier than the air leave the clouds and start to fall to the ground as rain.

    As already discussed, every stage in the formation of rain is related in the verses of the Qur'an. Furthermore, these stages are explained in exactly the right sequence. Just as with many other natural phenomena on the Earth, Allah gave the most correct explanation of this phenomenon, and made it known in the Qur'an centuries before it was discovered.

    In another verse, the following information is given about the formation of rain:

    Have you not seen how Allah drives along the clouds, then joins them together, then makes them into a stack, and then you see the rain come out of it? And He sends down from the sky mountain masses [of clouds] with cold hail in them, striking with it anyone He wills and averting it from anyone He wills. The brightness of His lightning almost blinds the sight. (Qur'an, 24:43)

    Scientists studying cloud types came across surprising results with regards to the formation of rain clouds. Rain clouds are formed and shaped according to definite systems and stages. The stages of formation of one kind of rain cloud, cumulonimbus, are these:

    1. STAGE, Being driven along: Clouds are carried along, that is, they are driven along, by the wind.

    2. STAGE, Joining: Then, small clouds (cumulonimbus clouds) driven along by the wind join together, forming a larger cloud.55

    3. STAGE, Stacking: When the small clouds join together, updrafts within the larger cloud increase. The updrafts near the centre of the cloud are stronger than those near the edges. These updrafts cause the cloud body to grow vertically, so the cloud is stacked up. This vertical growth causes the cloud body to stretch into cooler regions of the atmosphere, where drops of water and hail formulate and begin to grow larger and larger. When these drops of water and hail become too heavy for the updrafts to support them, they begin to fall from the cloud as rain, hail, etc.56

    (A) Isolated small pieces of clouds (cumulonimbus clouds)
    (B) When the small clouds join together, updrafts within the larger cloud increase. As a result, the cloud is stacked up.

    We must remember that meteorologists have only recently come to know these details about cloud formation, structure and function, by using advanced equipment like planes, satellites, computers etc. It is evident that Allah has provided us information that could not have been known 1,400 years ago.


    These updrafts cause the cloud body to grow vertically and the cloud is stacked up. This vertical growth causes the cloud body to stretch into cooler regions of the atmosphere, where drops of water and hail formulate and begin to grow larger and larger. When these drops of water and hail become too heavy for the updrafts to support them, they begin to fall from the cloud as rain, hail, etc. This scientific fact was announced in Sura Nur 43 fourteen centuries ago by Allah in this way: "... then [He] makes them into a stack, and then you see the rain come out of it…"
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    THE QUR’AN’S ARGUMENTS FOR THE RESURRECTION

    Although scientific findings like the second law of thermo-dynamics show that existence is on the way to destruction, it is enough for the destruction of the universe that a planet collides with another. If the beginning of existence is a big bang, why should its end not be another big bang or collision? Existence, with all its divisions, is an extremely delicately calculated organism, a system with parts subtly dependent upon each other. A human body is made up of about sixty million million cells. As a single deformed, cancerous, cell may cause the death of the whole body, so any serious deformation in any part of the universe may lead to its death. Or death sometimes comes unexpectedly and without any visible, diagnosed reason. So, why is it not just as possible for the universe to die all of a sudden, unexpectedly, without a visible reason or because of a ‘disease’ like ‘heart-attack’, or who knows that our old world is not suffering the terminal phase of cancer because of our misuse of it?

    God’s all-embracing acts in the universe and the first creation

    The Quran deals with the issue of resurrection and argues for it. One, it gives examples of God’s comprehensive acts in the macro-cosmos and at times it presents to our consideration God’s overall disposal of all of the three cosmoses (macro-, normo- and micro-cosmoses) together. In order to prove the Resurrection, the Quran also presents to our consideration the phenomenon of the creation of the universe, which it defines as the first origination (56:62), while describing the raising of the dead as the second origination (53:47). Two, it shows similar events in the world and makes comparisons between them and the Resurrection.

    For example, in the following verse, the Quran stresses God’s Power and, by mentioning His universal acts like raising the firmaments without any pillars and subjecting the sun and the moon to His command, calls us to have conviction in the meeting with Him in the other world:

    God is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that you can see, then He established Himself upon the Throne (of authority; having shaped the universe and made it dependent upon certain laws, He exercises His absolute authority over the whole of the universe), and subjected the sun and the moon (to His command); each runs (its course) for an appointed term. He regulates all affair, expounding the signs, that you may believe with certainty in the meeting with your Lord. (13:2)

    The universe is like a book unfolded, and its destruction will be like rolling it up again

    The Quran likens the universe to a book unfolded. At the end of time, its destruction will be as easy for God as to roll up a book. As He unfolded it at the beginning, He will roll it up and, through the manifestation of His absolute Power without the part of any material causes, re-create it in a much better and different form:

    On that day We shall roll up the heavens like a scroll rolled up for books. As We originated the first creation, so We shall bring it forth again. It is a promise (binding) upon Us. Truly We shall fulfill it (as We promised it). (21:104)

    Bringing the dead back to life again is not more difficult for God than creation of the universe

    Have they not seen that God, Who created the heavens and the earth and was not wearied by their creation, is able to give life to the dead? Surely He has power over everything. (46:33)

    As pointed out above, besides presenting to people’s consideration God’s absolute Power and comprehensive acts in the universe, in order to prove the Resurrection, the Quran also gives examples of resurrection in the world and mentions similar events in human life.

    Innumerable examples of the Resurrection in nature and man’s life

    In the verses below, the Quran likens the Resurrection to the rejuvenation or revival of earth in spring-time following its death in winter and mentions how God disposes atoms and molecules in the process of man’s creation through stages. Nature experiences death in winter but when spring comes, earth rouses to life again and dried out pieces of wood come into leaf, blossom and yield fruit, all of which are similar but not identical to all the previous ones that came into being in previous years. Innumerable seeds of vegetation that fell into earth in previous autumn germinate under earth and grow into very many different plants without the least confusion. The raising of all the dead on the Day of Judgment will be like this:

    Among His signs is that you see the earth dry and barren; and when We send down rain on it, it stirs to life and swells. Surely God Who gives the dead earth life will raise the dead also to life. Indeed, He has power over all things. (41:39)

    O mankind! If you are in doubt concerning the Resurrection, (consider that) We created you of dust, then of semen, then of a fertilized ovum suspended on the wall of the womb, then of a lump of flesh shaped and unshaped, so that We demonstrate to you Our power. And We keep in the wombs what We please to an appointed term, and afterwards We bring you forth as infants, then We cause you to grow up, that you reach your prime. Among you some die (young) and some are sent back to the feeblest phase of age so that they know nothing after they had knowledge. You sometimes see the earth dry and barren. But when We pour down rain on it, it trembles, and swells, and grows of every pleasant pair. That is so because God is the Truth, and He it is Who gives life to the dead, and He is powerful over all things. (22:5-6)

    Does man think that he will be left to himself uncontrolled (without purpose)? Was he not a drop of fluid which gushed forth? Then he became a clinging clot; then He shaped and fashioned, and made of him a pair, the male and female. Is He then not able to raise the dead to life? (75:36-40)

    Look at the prints of God’s Mercy: how He gives life to the earth after its death. Lo! He verily is the Reviver of the dead (in the same way), and He is able to do all things. (30:50)

    God has brought you forth from the earth like a plant. And to the earth He will restore you. Then He will bring you back fresh. (71:17-8)

    Two mighty ‘streams’ flow in creation opposite to each other

    A close examination of what goes on in the universe will make it clear that within it are two opposed elements that have spread everywhere and become rooted: with their results like good and evil, benefit and harm, perfection and defect, light and darkness, guidance and misguidance, belief and unbelief, obedience and rebellion, and fear and love, the opposed elements clash with one another in the universe. The universe manifests, through such continuous conflict of opposites, incessant alterations and transformations so as to produce the elements of a new world. These opposed elements will eventually lead to eternity in two different directions and materialize as Paradise and Hell. The eternal world will be made up of the essential elements of this transitory world, and these elements will then be given permanence. Paradise and Hell are in fact the two opposite fruits which grow on the two branches of the tree of creation; or they are the two results of the chain of creation. They are the two cisterns which are being filled by the two streams of things and events, and the two poles to which beings are flowing in waves. They are the places where Divine Grace and Divine Wrath manifest themselves, and they will be filled up with their particular inhabitants when the Divine Power shakes up the universe with a violent motion.

    In this world, while oppressors depart still possessed of their oppressive power, and the oppressed still subjected to their humiliation. Such wrongs are necessarily deferred for the attention of a supreme tribunal; essentially they are not ignored. Indeed, punishment is sometimes enacted even in this world. The torments endured by the disobedient and rebellious peoples in past ages teach us that man is not left unanswerable but, rather, is ever subject to such correction as God Almighty’s Splendor and Majesty may choose to apply to him. So, as declared in the verse, Keep apart on this day, O you criminals (36:59), God will separate the good from the wicked in the Hereafter and treat each group according to how they lived in this world. This is simply what His absolute Justice requires.
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    THE EARTH'S GEOID SHAPE

    After that He smoothed out the earth. (Qur'an, 79:30)

    In the above verse, the word "daha" is used in the original Arabic. It, translated as "smoothed out," comes from the word "dahv," meaning "to spread." Although the word "dahv" also means to cover or to set out, the meaning of the verb is more than just a prosaic setting out, since it describes setting out in a circle.

    The concept of roundness is also present in other words derived from "dahv." For example, the word "dahv" also refers to children dropping a ball into a hole in the ground, games involving throwing stones into holes and games played with walnuts. Words derived from that root are also used for an ostrich making a nest, cleaning stones from where it is about to lie down, the place where it lays its eggs and the egg itself.

    Indeed, the Earth is round, in a manner reminiscent of an egg. The slightly flattened spherical shape of the Earth is known as geoid. From that point of view, the use of the word "daha" contains important information about the shape that Allah has given to the Earth. For hundreds of years, people imagined the Earth to be completely flat and only learned the truth thanks to technology. Yet, this fact was revealed in the Qur'an fourteen centuries ago.

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    The salvation of pharaoh's body

    Doctor Morris Boukay (1) uncovered in his book (The Holy Quran and the modern science ) the identity between what was mentioned in the Holy Quran about the destiny of Moses' pharaoh after he was sank in the sea and between the reality which is symbolized in the existence of his body till this day as a sign to the worlds as our exalted God said: (This day shall we save thee in thy body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee but verily, many among mankind are heedless of our signs) Yunus-92, Doctor Boukay says: "the narration of the Taurat about the departure of the Jews with Moses peace be upon him from Egypt is strongly supports the assumption which says that Mineptah the successor of Ramsses the second is the pharaoh of Egypt in Moses' age (peace be upon him), and the medical study which held on the Mineptah's mummy showed us another useful information about the bearable reasons for the death of that pharaoh. The Taurat mentions that the corpse was swallowed by the sea but it gives no detailing about what had happened next.

    While the Holy Quran mentions that the corpse of the cursed pharaoh shall be rescued from water as it came in the previous verse, and the medical examination of that mummy showed that the corpse didn't remain in water for a long time, as it didn't show any signs of complete damage because of the long remaining in water."(2)

    Also Morris Boukay mentioned what says "and the results of the medical investigations came to support the previous assumption, as in the year 1975 a lameness extraction from a small muscular tissue occurred in Cairo, with the valuable help that professor Michfl Durigon offered. And the accurate microscopical examination showed the perfect preserved status for the smallest dissectional muscular parts, and it points that such a perfect preservation couldn't be possible if the body remained in water for a while, even if it stayed outside the water for a long time before it submit for the preparatory operations of the mummification. And we have done more than this while we were interested in searching for the possible reasons of the pharaoh's death."

    Medical legal studies took place on the mummy with the help of Ceccaldi the manger of the legal identification laboratory in Paris and professor Durigon, which allow us to make sure that there was a reason for a fast fastly death due to cranial cerebrum bruises which caused a large sized gap at the level of the vault of the skull accompanied with a break caused by a strong stroke, and it is obvious that all these investigations are agreeing with the stories of the Holy books which points out that pharaoh died when the waves came back on him (3).

    And Doctor Boukay declares the miracle in this case saying: "and in the age that The Holy Quran reach the humans by Mohammed prays and peace of Allah be upon him, the corpses of all the pharaohs that people doubted about them in the modern age whether correctly or wrongly that they had any relation to the departure, were buried in the tombs of the valley of the kings in Tiba on the other side of the Nile river in front of the present "Luxor" city. In the age of Mohammed prays and peace of Allah be upon him everything about that matter was unknown and these corpses did not discover except in the nineteenth century (4) so that the corpse of Moses' pharaoh which still standing for the viewers till this day is considered a materialized evidence in a mummified body of a person that knew Moses peace be upon him, and opposed his demands, and chased him while he was escaping and died during that chase, and God saved his corpse from complete damage so he would become a sign for humans as mentioned in the Holy Quran "(5)

    And that piece of historical information about the destiny of pharaoh's corpse wasn't known by anyone of the humans when the Holy Quran came down and even after it came down by several centuries it was also unknown but it was declared in the book of Allah on the tongue of the uneducated prophet, which proves that the source of this knowledge is the inspiration from Allah.


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    (1) a French doctor specialized in surgery and one of the famous doctors
    in France, espouse Islam after a scrutiny study to the Holy Quran
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    (2) The Holy Quran and the modern science \ D.Morris Boukay.
    (3) The book of (The Holy Quran and the contemporary science)
    D. Morris Boukay, translated by D. Mohammed Ismail Basal
    and D. Mohammed Kair Al-Bekaay
    (4) The study of the Holy Books according to the modern knowledge
    D. Morris Boukay, p269, the 4th - Edition for the year 1977 of (Dar Almarif)
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    CALCULATING THE LUNAR YEAR

    It is He Who appointed the sun to give radiance, and the moon to give light, assigning it phases so you would know the number of years and the reckoning of time. Allah did not create these things except with truth. We make the Signs clear for people who know. (Qur'an, 10:5)

    And We have decreed set phases for the moon, until it ends up looking like an old date branch. (Qur'an, 36:39)



    In the first of the above verses, Allah has clearly revealed that the Moon will be a means of measurement for people to calculate the year. Furthermore, our attention is also drawn to the fact that these calculations will be performed according to the positions of the Moon as it revolves in its orbit. Since the angles between the Earth and Moon and the Moon and Sun constantly change, we see the Moon in different forms at different times. Furthermore, our ability to see the Moon is made possible by the fact that it is illuminated by the Sun. The amount of the lighted half of the Moon we see from Earth changes. Bearing in mind these changes, a number of calculations can be made, making it possible for human beings to measure the year.

    In former times a month was calculated as the time between two full moons, or the time it took the Moon to travel around the Earth. According to this, one month was equal to 29 days, 12 hours and 44 minutes. This is known as the "lunar month." Twelve lunar months represent one year, according to the Hijri calendar. However, there is a difference of eleven days between the Hijri calendar and the Gregorian calendar, in which a year is the time it takes the Earth to orbit the Sun. Indeed, attention is drawn to this difference in another verse:

    They stayed in their Cave for three hundred years and added nine. (Qur'an, 18:25)

    We can clarify the time referred to in the verse thus: 300 years x 11 days (the difference which forms every year) = 3,300 days. Bearing in mind that one solar year lasts 365 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes and 45.5 seconds, 3,300 days/365.24 days = 9 years. To put it another way, 300 years according to the Gregorian calendar is equal to 300+9 years according to the Hijri calendar. As we can see, the verse refers to this finely calculated difference of 9 years. (Allah knows best.) There is no doubt that the Qur'an, which contains such pieces of information, which transcended the everyday knowledge of the time, is a miraculous revelation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obviously
    I'm.... Still not impressed...

    My duty is informing people about the right way of islam.

    You have no faith, you ignore your CREATOR,

    HOW you are still alive because Wants you to live.
    But, in a definite Year, definite month, definite day, definite hour, definite minute and a definit second, YOU WILL DIE.

    AND THEN, call Your GOD OF ATHEISM TO SAVE YOU

    I SWEAR, I SWEAR, I SWEAR, I SWEAR, YOU ARE IN A DESLUSION AND SATAN CONTROL YOUR MIND AND TELL YOU THAT YOU're in the right way of atheism. But, SATAN is our Enemy and he never give good advise to someone.

    I invite you again to convert to islam.
    YOU will remember this descussion one DAY, at the judgement day.

    Think what after death.

    You want be tortured, in hellfire.
    you can't support the punishement of ALLAH.


    BE A MAN AND CRY FOR YOUR SINS

    You have still time, because you are alive, but you have no contract with death to give you another chance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    Quote Originally Posted by Obviously
    I'm.... Still not impressed...

    My duty is informing people about the right way of islam.
    You are so wise and merciful, you are my prophet, and I bow to my god the glorious Allah
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    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    Quote Originally Posted by Obviously
    I'm.... Still not impressed...

    My duty is informing people about the right way of islam.

    You have no faith, you ignore your CREATOR,

    HOW you are still alive because Wants you to live.
    But, in a definite Year, definite month, definite day, definite hour, definite minute and a definit second, YOU WILL DIE.

    AND THEN, call Your GOD OF ATHEISM TO SAVE YOU

    I SWEAR, I SWEAR, I SWEAR, I SWEAR, YOU ARE IN A DESLUSION AND SATAN CONTROL YOUR MIND AND TELL YOU THAT YOU're in the right way of atheism. But, SATAN is our Enemy and he never give good advise to someone.

    I invite you again to convert to islam.
    YOU will remember this descussion one DAY, at the judgement day.

    Think what after death.

    You want be tortured, in hellfire.
    you can't support the punishement of ALLAH.


    BE A MAN AND CRY FOR YOUR SINS

    You have still time, because you are alive, but you have no contract with death to give you another chance.


    ALLAH AKBAR
    Satan can kiss my ass, because he is just as illogical as any god. When it comes to logic, the supernatural is out of the picture. You my friend are deluded by your faith, and it is you who are ignoring the obvious. And that is that nothing you've presented here even qualifies as proof of any kind, only as speculations/assumptions. The only thing I believe in is truth. Truth lies there for those who seek it, not for those who ignore it by wishful thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostofMaxwell
    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
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    I'm.... Still not impressed...

    My duty is informing people about the right way of islam.
    You are so wise and merciful, you are my prophet, and I bow to my god the glorious Allah
    What happened to Ath?
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    Only infidels worship no god.


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    Praise only the glorious Allah Akbar.
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    So I see that god has illuminated your path, fellow brother Ghost of Maxwell, I wonder if you are a shiite or a sunni, not that it makes any difference, well except if your getting employed, or spending a holiday in iraq.
    And remember if you are a women who witnessed a crime, your testimony will not be permisable, because women are creatures of lesser intelligence, and apparantly forgetful (I.Q. tests are faked by "the Infidels") If you are lucky to be in a liberal islamic country, you'll be happy to know that your testimony is count as half of a man's testimony.
    Also dont show your hair, dont wear any make up, dont wear heels, dont show any area above the ankles, wear clothes that dont show yor figure, dont show your face, dont talk to loudly in public, dont talk directly to a man, and preferably just stay in your room.
    Also it says in the quran that man is made of sand, I wonder whats the precentage of silicon in our bodies...him, maybe Anna Nicole Smith was made of sand? I blame the JEWS.
    "When man contemplates his future death, it is as if, by thinking of it, he renders it immediate. His defence is to deny it. He cannot deny that his body will die and rot - the evidence is too strong for that; so he solves the problem by the invention of the immortal soul" Desmond Morris
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    Quote Originally Posted by BioHazard
    So I see that god has illuminated your path, fellow brother Ghost of Maxwell, I wonder if you are a shiite or a sunni, not that it makes any difference, well except if your getting employed, or spending a holiday in iraq.
    Im a shiite mate.
    And remember if you are a women who witnessed a crime, your testimony will not be permisable, because women are creatures of lesser intelligence, and apparantly forgetful (I.Q. tests are faked by "the Infidels") If you are lucky to be in a liberal islamic country, you'll be happy to know that your testimony is count as half of a man's testimony.
    dont talk to loudly in public, dont talk directly to a man, and preferably just stay in your room.
    Also it says in the quran that man is made of sand, I wonder whats the precentage of silicon in our bodies...him, maybe Anna Nicole Smith was made of sand? I blame the JEWS.
    Yeah My new religion is so cool. :-D
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    Also dont I get 7 virgins in the afterlife? :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
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    I hope you like honey, you'll find rivers and seas of honey there.
    P.S. I became an atheist 'cause i dont like honey.
    "When man contemplates his future death, it is as if, by thinking of it, he renders it immediate. His defence is to deny it. He cannot deny that his body will die and rot - the evidence is too strong for that; so he solves the problem by the invention of the immortal soul" Desmond Morris
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    Hey, since your a shiite and i'm supposed to be a shiite you must preform the punishment for "apostasy by a person born to muslims" on me:
    INSTANT Death
    "When man contemplates his future death, it is as if, by thinking of it, he renders it immediate. His defence is to deny it. He cannot deny that his body will die and rot - the evidence is too strong for that; so he solves the problem by the invention of the immortal soul" Desmond Morris
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    Now that your officially a muslim, you can't get out, if you do, it will be LAW to kill you, this isnt a game, I'm living in fear dude, I'm living in Fear.
    "When man contemplates his future death, it is as if, by thinking of it, he renders it immediate. His defence is to deny it. He cannot deny that his body will die and rot - the evidence is too strong for that; so he solves the problem by the invention of the immortal soul" Desmond Morris
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    059.020 Not equal are the owners of the Fire and the owners of the Garden. The owners of the Garden, they are the victorious.

    059.021 If We had caused this Qur'an to descend upon a mountain, thou (O Muhammad) verily hadst seen it humbled, rent asunder by the fear of Allah. Such similitudes coin We for mankind that haply they may reflect.

    059.022 He is Allah, than Whom there is no other God, the Knower of the Invisible and the Visible. He is the Beneficent, Merciful.

    059.023 He is Allah, than Whom there is no other God, the Sovereign Lord, the Holy One, Peace, the Keeper of Faith, the Guardian, the Majestic, the Compeller, the Superb. Glorified be Allah from all that they ascribe as partner (unto Him).

    059.024 He is Allah, the Creator, the Shaper out of naught, the Fashioner. His are the most beautiful names. All that is in the heavens and the earth glorifieth Him, and He is the Mighty, the Wise.
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    have you been touched by his noodly appendages yet?
    when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostofMaxwell
    I dont give shiite dude.

    MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA

    [busts nut] ouch !! [/busts nut]
    Build a man a fire and he will be warm for a day, set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life.
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    In having studied the science of human perception as associated to space-time, as specified at great length in this forum, there is a section of the theory we have not contained in the download, and that is there are 4, FOUR, main possibilities of being conscious, accordig to a variation of sensory-motor combined with existence or non-existence (ie, sensory existence, motor existence......sensory non-existence, motor non-existence......sensory existence, motor non-existence......sensory non-existene, motor existence).

    There are four clear possibilities of FUNDAMENTAL percetion, according to the stream theory.

    There are three faiths (combinations containing "non-existence"), and one truth (the combination of sensory existence and motor existence).

    Over the past eight years of researching what those fundamental codes are, it occured to us that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam could perhaps occupy three, each being an indepdent entity, as specified, and the actual theory "proper" of space-time, which we are still perfecting, is the fourth.

    We thought it would be sensible to mention this, because it now seems that people are making an issue of science and faith.

    Personally, we don't know. It's not our call. Much like the rest of the theory (yet to be offically validated).

    The point here, although science may be apparent in one code, it is also apparent in others.
    Does a theory of everything therefore need to be purely theoretical and only account for the known laws and forces in handling the improbability of fortune telling?

    the www feature below can explain it better.
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    This of course would have been an elementary deduction after reading the theory.
    Does a theory of everything therefore need to be purely theoretical and only account for the known laws and forces in handling the improbability of fortune telling?

    the www feature below can explain it better.
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    Brother.

    Maybe we should add those pages that explain the concept of faith and truth in the vein of non-existence and existence?

    They may find the theory more "relevant"?
    Does a theory of everything therefore need to be purely theoretical and only account for the known laws and forces in handling the improbability of fortune telling?

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    Only (brother) by their request.
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    We are getting bored though.
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    We are.

    e.25: page 279 (www feature below, click on download now).
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    Is this sort of thing really what passes for “apologetics” in the muslim world? I mean, I’d be one of the first people to say that christians don’t really have any convincing evidence to support their beliefs, and they often make lame arguments…but this is just farcical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scifor Refugee
    Is this sort of thing really what passes for “apologetics” in the muslim world? I mean, I’d be one of the first people to say that christians don’t really have any convincing evidence to support their beliefs, and they often make lame arguments…but this is just farcical.

    Are you talking about the Saudi branch of CNN?

    Did your car break down?

    Are you stuck in traffic.

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    PREDICTIONS IN THE QURAN

    THE EXPLORATION OF SPACE

    Humanity's exploration of space was accelerated with the Soviet satellite Sputnik on 4 October 1957, which carried aloft the first man to ever leave Earth's atmosphere: Soviet cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin. On 20 July 1969, the American astronaut Neil Armstrong became the first human being ever to set foot on the Moon.

    In fact, the Qur'an revealed that such developments and achievements would one day be realised. For instance, Allah draws our attention to this in the following verse:

    O company of jinn and human beings. If you are able to pierce through the confines of the heavens and Earth, pierce through them. You will not pierce through, except with a clear authority. (Qur'an, 55:33)

    The Arabic word sultan, translated here as "a clear authority," has other meanings as well: force, power, sovereignty, dominion, law, path, permission, give leave, justify, and proof.

    Careful examination reveals that the above verse emphasizes that humanity will be able to move into the depths of Earth and sky, but only with a superior power. In all likelihood, this superior power is the superior technology employed in the twentieth century, for it enabled scientists to achieve this great feat.
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    WORD REPETITIONS IN THE QUR'AN

    Apart from the miraculous characteristics of the Qur'an which we have looked into so far, it also contains what we can term "mathematical miracles." There are many examples of this fascinating Qur'anic aspect. One example of this is the number of repetitions of certain words in the Qur'an. Some related words are surprisingly repeated the same number of times. Below is a list of such words and the number of repetitions in the Qur'an.

    The statement of "seven heavens" is repeated seven times. "The creation of the heavens (khalq as-samawat)" is also repeated seven times.
    "Day (yawm)" is repeated 365 times in singular form, while its plural and dual forms "days (ayyam and yawmayn)" together are repeated 30 times. The number of repetitions of the word "month" (shahar) is 12.
    The number of repetitions of the words "plant" and "tree" is the same: 26

    The word "payment or reward" is repeated 117 times, while the expression "forgiveness" (mughfirah), which is one of the basic morals of the Qur'an, is repeated exactly twice that amount, 234 times.

    When we count the word "Say," we find it appears 332 times. We arrive at the same figure when we count the phrase "they said."
    The number of times the words, "world" (dunya) and "hereafter" (akhira) are repeated is also the same: 115
    The word "satan" (shaitan) is used in the Qur'an 88 times, as is the word "angels" (malaika).
    The word faith (iman) (without genitive) is repeated 25 times throughout the Qur'an as is also the word infidelity (kufr).
    The words "paradise" and "hell" are each repeated 77 times.
    The word "zakah" is repeated in the Qur'an 32 times and the number of repetitions of the word "blessing" (barakah) is also 32.
    The expression "the righteous" (al-abraar) is used 6 times but "the wicked" (al-fujjaar) is used half as much, i.e., 3 times.

    The number of times the words "Summer-hot" and "winter-cold" are repeated is the same: 5.
    The words "wine" (khamr) and "intoxication" (saqara) are repeated in the Qur'an the same number of times: 6
    The number of appearances of the words "mind" and "light" is the same: 49.

    The words "tongue" and "sermon" are both repeated 25 times.

    The words "benefit" and "corrupt" both appear 50 times.

    "Reward" (ajr) and "action" (fail) are both repeated 107 times.

    "Love" (al-mahabbah) and "obedience" (al-ta'ah) also appear the same number of times: 83

    The words "refuge" (maseer) and "for ever" (abadan) appear the same number of times in the Qur'an: 28.

    The words "disaster" (al-musibah) and "thanks" (al-shukr) appear the same number of times in the Qur'an: 75.

    "Sun" (shams) and "light" (nur) both appear 33 times in the Qur'an.

    In counting the word "light" only the simple forms of the word were included.
    The number of appearances of "right guidance" (al-huda) and "mercy" (al-rahma) is the same: 79

    The words "trouble" and "peace" are both repeated 13 times in the Qur'an.

    The words "man" and "woman" are also employed equally: 23 times.


    Will they not ponder the Qur’an? If it had been from other than Allah, they would have found many inconsistencies in it.
    (Qur’an, 4:82)

    The number of times the words "man" and "woman" are repeated in the Qur'an, 23, is at the same time that of the chromosomes from the egg and sperm in the formation of the human embryo. The total number of human chromosomes is 46; 23 each from the mother and father.

    "Treachery" (khiyanah) is repeated 16 times, while the number of repetitions of the word "foul" (khabith) is 16.

    "Human being" is used 65 times: the sum of the number of references to the stages of man's creation is the same: i.e.

    Human being 65

    Soil (turab) 17

    Drop of Sperm (nutfah) 12

    Embryo ('alaq) 6

    A half formed lump of flesh (mudghah) 3

    Bone ('idham) 15

    Flesh (lahm) 12

    TOTAL 65

    The word "salawat" appear five times in the Qur'an, and Allah has commanded man to perform the prayer (salat) five times a day.

    The word "land" appears 13 times in the Qur'an and the word "sea" 32 times, giving a total of 45 references. If we divide that number by that of the number of references to the land we arrive at the figure 28.888888888889%. The number of total references to land and sea, 45, divided by the number of references to the sea in the Qur'an, 32, is 71.111111111111%. Extraordinarily, these figures represent the exact proportions of land and sea on the Earth today.238

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    THE SEAS NOT MINGLING WITH ONE ANOTHER


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    One of the properties of seas that has only recently been discovered is related in a verse of the Qur'an as follows:

    He has let loose the two seas, converging together, with a barrier between them they do not break through. (Qur'an, 55:19-20)

    This property of the seas, that is, that they meet and yet do not intermix, has only very recently been discovered by oceanographers. Because of the physical force called "surface tension," the waters of neighbouring seas do not mix. Caused by the difference in the density of their waters, surface tension prevents them from mingling with one another, just as if a thin wall were between them.60

    It is interesting that, during a period when there was little knowledge of physics, and of surface tension, or oceanography, this truth was revealed in the Qur'an.



    There are large waves, strong currents, and tides in the Mediterranean Sea and the Atlantic Ocean. Mediterranean Sea water enters the Atlantic by Gibraltar. But their temperature, salinity, and densities do not change, because of the barrier that separates them.
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    THE EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE


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    In the Qur'an, which was revealed fourteen centuries ago at a time when the science of astronomy was still primitive, the expansion of the universe was described in the following terms:

    And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it. (Qur'an, 51:47)

    The word "heaven," as stated in the verse above, is used in various places in the Qur'an. It is referring to space and the wider universe. Here again, the word is used with this meaning, stating that the universe "expands." The Arabic word "moosiaaoona" in the term "inna lamoosiaaoona," translated into English as "it is We Who are steadily expanding it", comes from the verb "evsea," meaning "to expand." The prefix "la" emphasises the following name or title and adds a sense of "to a great extent." This expression therefore means "We expand the sky or the universe to a great extent." This is the very conclusion that science has reached today. 1


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    Until the dawn of the 20th century, the only view prevailing in the world of science was that "the universe has a constant nature and it has existed since infinite time." However, modern research, observations, and calculations carried out by means of modern technology have revealed that the universe in fact had a beginning and that it constantly "expands."

    At the beginning of the 20th century, the Russian physicist Alexander Friedmann and the Belgian cosmologist Georges Lemaitre theoretically calculated that the universe is in constant motion and that it is expanding.

    From the moment of the Big Bang, the universe has been constantly expanding at a great speed. Scientists compare the expanding universe to the surface of a balloon that is inflated.
    This notion was confirmed by the use of observational data in 1929. While observing the sky with a telescope, Edwin Hubble, the American astronomer, discovered that the stars and galaxies were constantly moving away from each other. This discovery is regarded as one of the greatest in the history of astronomy. During these observations, Hubble established that the stars emit a light that turns redder according to their distance. That is because according to the known laws of physics, light heading towards a point of observation turns violet, and light moving away from that point assumes a more reddish hue. During his observations, Hubble noted a tendency towards the colour red in the light emitted by stars. In short, the stars were moving further and further away, all the time. The stars and galaxies were not only moving away from us, but also from each other. A universe where everything constantly moves away from everything else implied a constantly expanding universe. The observations carried out in the following years verified that the universe is constantly expanding.

    In order to gain a clearer understanding of this, let us imagine the universe to be the surface of a balloon being inflated. In the same way that the more the balloon is inflated, the further away the points on its surface move from one another, celestial bodies also move away from one another as the universe expands. This was theoretically discovered by Albert Einstein, regarded as one of the greatest scientists of the 20th century. However, in order to avoid violating the "static universe model" that was generally accepted at that time, Einstein laid that discovery aside. He would later describe this as the greatest blunder of his life. 2

    This fact was explained in the Qur'an in a time when telescopes and similar technological advancements were not even close to being invented. This is because the Qur'an is the Word of Allah: the Creator and Ruler of the entire universe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    Humanity's exploration of space was accelerated with the Soviet satellite Sputnik on 4 October 1957, which carried aloft the first man to ever leave Earth's atmosphere: Soviet cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin.
    Actually, Sputnik was a satellite.

    I think Nostradamus's predictions were a lot better.
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    Remarkable!!!!

    Did you know the words Islam and Qur'an both contain 5 letters, the same amount of letters in the word Satan. Also in the words Islam and Qur'an the letters s a + a n appear in that order. Wonderful, don't you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    Remarkable!!!!

    Did you know the words Islam and Qur'an both contain 5 letters, the same amount of letters in the word Satan. Also in the words Islam and Qur'an the letters s a + a n appear in that order. Wonderful, don't you think?
    Haha It's amazing!
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    THE MIRACLE OF HONEY

    Your Lord revealed to the bees: "Build dwellings in the mountains and the trees, and also in the structures which men erect. Then eat from every kind of fruit and travel the paths of your Lord, which have been made easy for you to follow." From inside them comes a drink of varying colours, containing healing for mankind. There is certainly a Sign in that for people who reflect. (Qur'an, 16:69)

    Honey is a "healing for men" as stated in the verses above. Nowadays, apiculture and bee products have opened a new branch of research in scientifically advanced parts of the world. Other benefits of honey may be described as below:

    Easily digested: Because sugar molecules in honey can convert into other sugars (e.g. fructose to glucose), honey is easily digested by the most sensitive stomachs, despite its high acid content. It helps kidneys and intestines to function better.

    Rapidly diffuses through the blood; is a quick energy source: When accompanied by mild water, honey diffuses into the bloodstream in seven minutes. Its free sugar molecules make the brain function better since the brain is the largest consumer of sugar. Honey is a natural composition of sugars like glucose and fructose. According to recent research, this unique mixture of sugars is the most effective means to remove fatigue and increase athletic performance.

    The antibacterial and anti-inflammatory properties of honey were revealed as a result of clinical observations and research. Honey is exceedingly effective in painlessly cleaning up infection and dead cells in these regions and in the development of new tissues. The use of honey as a medicine is mentioned in the most ancient writings. In the present day, doctors and scientists are rediscovering the effectiveness of honey in the treatment of wounds.

    Dr. Peter Molan, a leading researcher into honey for the last 20 years and a professor of biochemistry at New Zealand’s University of Waikato, says this about the antimicrobial properties of honey:

    Randomized trials have shown that honey is more effective in controlling infection in burn wounds than silver sulphadiazine, the antibacterial ointment most widely used on burns in hospitals. (“Honey Against Infected Skin Lesions,” www.apitherapy.com/honeysk.htm.)




    Supports blood formation: Honey provides an important part of the energy needed by the body for blood formation. In addition, it helps in cleansing the blood. It has some positive effects in regulating and facilitating blood circulation. It also functions as a protection against capillary problems and arteriosclerosis.

    Does not accommodate bacteria: This bactericide (bacteria-killing) property of honey is named "the inhibition effect." There are various reasons of this anti-microbial property of the honey. Some examples are: the high sugar content that limit the amount of water microorganisms need for growth, its high acidity (low pH) and composition which deprive bacteria from nitrogen necessary for reproduction. The existence of hydrogen peroxide as well as antioxidants in the honey prevents bacteria growth.

    Antioxidant: Everyone who wants to live a healthier life should consume antioxidants. Those are the components in cells that get rid of harmful byproducts of normal metabolic functions. These elements inhibit destructive chemical reactions that cause spoilage of food and many chronic illnesses. Researchers believe food products rich in antioxidants may prevent heart problems and cancer. Strong antioxidants are present in honey content: Pinocembrin, pinobaxin, chrisin and galagin. Pinocembrin is an antioxidant that merely exists in the honey.108

    Vitamin and mineral depot: Honey is composed of sugars like glucose and fructose and minerals like magnesium, potassium, calcium, sodium chlorine, sulphur, iron and phosphate. It contains vitamins B1, B2, C, B6, B5 and B3 all of which change according to the qualities of the nectar and pollen. Besides the above, copper, iodine, and zinc are also present, albeit in small quantities.

    Honey is used in healing wounds:

    - When used in treatment of wounds, thanks to its ability to absorb moisture from the air, honey facilitates healing process and prevents scarring. This is because honey stimulates the growth of epithelial cells that form the new skin cover over a healed wound. In this way, even in case of large wounds, honey may eliminate the need for tissue transplantation.

    - Honey stimulates the regrowth of tissue involved in the healing process. It stimulates the formation of new blood capillaries and the growth of fibroblasts that replace the connective tissue of the deeper layer of the skin and produce the collagen fibres that give strength to the repair.

    - Honey has an anti-inflammatory action, which reduces the swelling around a wound. This improves circulation and thus hastens the healing process. It also reduces pain.

    - Honey does not stick to the underlying wound tissues, so there is no tearing away of newly formed tissue, and no pain, when dressings are changed.

    - Thanks to its aforementioned antimicrobial property, honey provides a protective barrier to prevent wounds becoming infected. It also rapidly clears any existing infection from wounds. It is fully effective, even with antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria. Unlike antiseptics and antibiotics, there is no impairment of the healing process through adverse effects on wound tissues.109


    The “First World Wound Healing Congress,” held in Melbourne on September 10-13, 2000, discussed the use of honey in wound treatment. The comments made during the congress were along these lines:

    Many natural antibacterial substances are being evaluated to find a treatment for wounds infected with bacteria with multiple resistance to antibiotics, the "superbugs", as this becomes a major clinical problem. But most of these natural substances have no proven effectiveness on infected wounds, nor is it known if they have any adverse effects on wound tissues. Honey is different, as it has an excellent "track record" over 4,000 years of usage as a wound dressing... Honey has a potent antibacterial activity and is very effective in clearing infection in wounds and protecting wounds from becoming infected.
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    “He is God, the One that there is no deity but He; the Knower of the unseen and the apparent; He is the Source of All Mercy, the Merciful.
    He is God, the One that there is no deity but He; the King, the Holy, the Source of All Peace, the Guardian of Faith, the Preserver, the Mighty, the Compeller, the Majestic; Glory to God, beyond their association (of partners with Him)!
    He is God; the Creator, the Maker, the Fashioner. To Him belong the most beautiful names. All that is in the heavens and the earth magnifies Him; He is the Mighty, the Wise.” (Holy Qur’an 59:22-24)


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    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    I think the good doctor will find the same shape exists on the front of the left hand also. Is it true Muslims are to use their left hand for hygenic purposes, such as cleaning the private parts? Why would you expose the name of Allah to such an unsanitary place?
    All that belongs to human understanding, in this deep ignorance and obscurity, is to be skeptical, or at least cautious; and not to admit of any hypothesis, whatsoever; much less, of any which is supported by no appearance of probability...Hume
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    What if I don't have fingers?
    Whence comes this logic: no evidence = false?

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    This is a traditional British finger arrangement that proves beyond doubt the existence of "fuck you!"
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    Also of interest, the lines in our palms represent 81 on our left hand and 18 on our right hand (in arabic numerals of course) which add up to 99, 99 being the number of god's names...
    BUT it says somewhere that god's names are Unlimited.
    If you want more bullshit you could ask, I have been fed bullshit since 5.
    Also all muslim men should pee when they're sitting, because "we are not animals"
    Also a person cannot pray if he has urine on his skin, curiously urine exists in sweat, I guess the big guy missed that.
    "When man contemplates his future death, it is as if, by thinking of it, he renders it immediate. His defence is to deny it. He cannot deny that his body will die and rot - the evidence is too strong for that; so he solves the problem by the invention of the immortal soul" Desmond Morris
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    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    the early Aramic alphabet 10th c BCE Allah would have looked like this ") l l) h " your version was probably written around 600 bc on the gregorian calender.
    can you at least get serious with your post, your written script was at least 1600 hundred years later are you sure the word wasn't written to fit the right hand, and not vice versa.
    please do try to think before you post.
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    geezaar got smart since the last time I've been here...
    Whence comes this logic: no evidence = false?

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    THE HOLY QURAN ON THE END OF THE HEAVEN



    This is an end of stars life as it was taken from Nasa Hubble Telescope. God told us 1428 years ago in the Qur'an that the end of heaven will be the same. Before the discovery of Telescopes and Microscopes it is in this holy book.



    Scientists just recently discovered an exploded galaxy. Let us look at what Allah Almighty Said in the Noble Quran:

    "And when the heaven splitteth asunder and becometh ROSY-LIKE PAINT - (The Noble Quran, 55:37)"


    055:037] When the sky disintegrates, and turns rose colored like paint.


    Note: The Noble Verse in Arabic says: "Fa-itha inshaqqati alssamao fakanat wardatan kaalddihani" "Wardatan" is derived from the root word "Warda", which literally means "rose" or "flower".

    In the Arabic Noble Verse, "wardatan" was translated as "ROSY" above. The root word "WARDA" in Arabic LITERALLY means "ROSE" or "FLOWER". The "tan" at the end of "wardatan" is not part of the word. It is only an Arabic PUNCTUATION that only changes the sound of the word for grammatical rules. It is pronounced as "ten", with the "a" being short. The reason why the above word was not written as "wardaten" is because in many parts of the world, the English word "ten" (number 10) is pronounced as "tin". Only the American-English pronounce the "e" as a short "a". Most of the world uses the British-English system and they pronounce the "e" as "i", and the "o" as it is, such as "stop" pronounced as "stope". The American-English pronounces the "o" as a thick "a". Also, if we were to add two Arabic characters, "alif" and "noon" at the end of "warda", it would change the pronunciation to "taan" (wardataan), and it then becomes two "wardas"; plural.

    Explosion of Galaxies can not be seen with the naked eye. It also can not be seen with regular telescopes. You need the special Government-owned and NASA-owned "Hubble Space" Super Telescope. The point from all of this is that Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him could not have come up with any of this on his own 1428 years ago!




    Pictures of more ROSY explosions captured by NASA

    Natural Roses:


    The Rosy Explosions of Galaxies:


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    sheriff, do you realise that you're not convincing anyone by pointing out coincidences ? that's all they are : re-interpretations of vague textual fragments to make them look like they predict current scientific knowledge

    i'm sure very few people on this forum find your contributions illuminating or even relevant - on the contrary, your failure to enter into a proper dialogue with other people only antagonises them

    so go and be a good boy, and join an islamic, not a science forum
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