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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Ok let us move to the second question:

    why muslims force women to wear hijab??? of course this is against women rights right???


    But I found that the west is just focusing on mulsim women these days although many conservative jewish women wear hijab and also the sisters in the church this mean that there is another reason behind this which is to force muslims to what the west want and make them leave thier religion.

    Here is a photo for a regualr muslim girl




    Another picture for sisters in the church




    Another picture for jewish women read the Torah with covered hair






    so Hijab is already exist in all religions so why you are focusing in this issue????????

    Any pics of a jewish woman in a hijab? rather than a hat? my wife ocasionally wears a hat, not sure how that relates to the hijab?

    Also any pics of non muslim western women in hijabs? i see the pics of religious nuns wearing habits, but this is more of a uniform, rather than a day to day clothing item for the general public

    Heres a western non muslim(i assume) wearing a head scarf from a fewdecades ago, its a form of hat for keeping the wind out of their hair, not to stop men looking at her and it was her choice too

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    Prof, do you think people have short memorys?, i remember a comment you made months ago about the reason western women were raped is because they weren't covered over [/url]
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    Any pics of a jewish woman in a hijab? rather than a hat? Laughing my wife ocasionally wears a hat, not sure how that relates to the hijab?

    Also any pics of non muslim western women in hijabs? i see the pics of religious nuns wearing habits, but this is more of a uniform, rather than a day to day clothing item for the general public

    Heres a western non muslim(i assume) wearing a head scarf from a fewdecades ago, its a form of hat for keeping the wind out of their hair, not to stop men looking at her Laughing and it was her choice too Laughing

    This is not a uniform for nuns but the christianity tell every woman to cover her hair man. So it seems that Islam is the best religion which is applied perfectly in the other side you left the morals and values for nuns only but in Islam all the society stick to principles, values and morals.

    If Hijab was wrong why sisters wear it?????

    and here is another photo for jeish women as you requested:
    http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2085/...1a912fe0_b.jpg
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    Why is that girl wearing a Hijab? Isn't she too young for that sort of thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Any pics of a jewish woman in a hijab? rather than a hat? Laughing my wife ocasionally wears a hat, not sure how that relates to the hijab?

    Also any pics of non muslim western women in hijabs? i see the pics of religious nuns wearing habits, but this is more of a uniform, rather than a day to day clothing item for the general public

    Heres a western non muslim(i assume) wearing a head scarf from a fewdecades ago, its a form of hat for keeping the wind out of their hair, not to stop men looking at her Laughing and it was her choice too Laughing

    This is not a uniform for nuns but the christianity tell every woman to cover her hair man. So it seems that Islam is the best religion which is applied perfectly in the other side you left the morals and values for nuns only but in Islam all the society stick to principles, values and morals.

    If Hijab was wrong why sisters wear it?????

    and here is another photo for jeish women as you requested:
    http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2085/...1a912fe0_b.jpg

    eh, where do you get you information that christianity tells every women to cover their hair? Nuns were habits not all christian women Nuns are tiny percentages of the usually catholic religion, who choose to go into an order, they are not everyday people Take your nose out of your one story book and live in the real world

    as for the other jewish picture, hows that a hijab
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw

    Here is a photo for a regualr muslim girl
    Complete nonsense. The child is far too young to understand the beliefs or doctrines of any cult and come to their own conclusions. You simply can't dress a child up, slap some ridiculous propaganda on and call them a Muslim. She is the child of Muslim parents on her way to becoming a fully indoctrinated cult member.
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    Mohammed said to wear those hood things because men are cruel and cannot control their desireful lustful nature, so hence forth women wear those by your religion to protect themselves from that by not showing their 'bits'. That is why they wear them, because Mohammed told you to do that for womens own protection BUT. Mohammed was a prophet, NOT CHRIST. He is no more to me that Ezekiel or Issac. Their word means NOTHING to me because they are human beings, ordinary man. Christ is the only word I believe, that and the original top ten . I haven't even a clue on Earth why 'sisters' wear them. But I know for a fact why muslim women wear those things. I have no problem with that, kids shouldn't have to wear them, they should be shown the evidence and then choose for themselves, the same is with religion, and if a child (or adult) chooses to reject Christ-thats fine-that is pardonable. But for one who has been shown the fruits of the Holy Spirit by accepting Christ, then reject, that is unpardonable -BACK TO THE STONE AGE THEY GO TO RELIVE IT AGAIN. Heres a thing for you atheists. If you have never believed in God or rejected Christ-you've got nothing to lose, whereas I have
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    If you have never believed in God or rejected Christ-you've got nothing to lose, whereas I have
    I guess I'll be going to hell then.

    There’s is a big difference between rejecting Jesus and coming to an inevitable conclusion that he did not exist as the son of a god.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER
    If you have never believed in God or rejected Christ-you've got nothing to lose, whereas I have
    I guess I'll be going to hell then.

    There’s is a big difference between rejecting Jesus and coming to an inevitable conclusion that he did not exist as the son of a god.
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    Yes. Surprized?
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    Quote Originally Posted by captaincaveman
    eh, where do you get you information that christianity tells every women to cover their hair? Nuns were habits not all christian women Nuns are tiny percentages of the usually catholic religion, who choose to go into an order, they are not everyday people Take your nose out of your one story book and live in the real world

    as for the other jewish picture, hows that a hijab
    In Byzantine Christianity, prostitutes were forbidden to wear the veil but all Christian women of stature wore one. It was a sign of both status and sacredness.
    The Byzantines are believed to have invented the veil for women, worn only in the street by the upper classes. This was later adopted in much of the Islamic world. In general women outside court circles went well wrapped up in public, and were relatively restricted in their movements outside the house; they are rarely depicted in art.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_dress#Veil

    The Tuareg men of Africa for instance, veil themselves for the same reason, the higher the stature the more they cover themselves.

    The Tuareg are known as "the people of the veil" because, at the age of 25, the men begin wearing a veil that conceals the whole face excluding their eyes. They never remove this veil, even amongst family members; it is believed to protect them from evil spirits that enter the body through the nose and mouth. The Tuareg women are not veiled, although they do wear a head-scarf over their hair after they are married to show that they are no longer available to other men. Most Tuareg are followers of Islam, and they are generally found in Nigeria, Senegal, Mali, and Burkina Faso.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER
    Yes. Surprized?
    Not really. Why did you change?
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    Quote Originally Posted by A conversation between me and couldbewrong
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    Might I ask what religion you were raised in?


    Dutch Reformed Church. Christian
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    Also what turned you off to religion


    It is something that happened gradually, with many factors contributing to my decision. I guess I was an atheist for a long time without realizing it (if that makes sense). Even from a young age, I never really got it. I never felt what everyone around me was professing to. Of course, at such a young age I could not yet recognize the fakeness of most of the people around me, especially those that professed the loudest and were most involved in the church. A lot of self analysis, talking to people on both sides and some years later left me with one conclusion. Religion was made-up. I think it probably developed very long ago when man was still living in caves and killing Neanderthals. If you think about it, it is a very good tool to keep people in line and to get people to band together. In those years, this was probably hundreds of thousands of years, what did the people believe in? I am not sure if you believe the earth to be 6000 years old? Mainstream religions today all originate from around the Mediterranean and Asia. So what about Africans, where we presumably originated from? Recorded history as we know it only started after the last ice age ended. What about before that? All of these seemingly straight forward questions made the whole idea of Jesus coming to save us etc. etc. to be a stretch of the imagination. He may have existed, but not as the Son of God.
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    What contradictions did you find in the Bible? Also (this has been brought up a couple of times) what New Testament text urges christians to violence?


    Most of these contradictions can be found on the website www.godisimaginary.com .
    I gather you recognize the Old Testament as more of an historical catalogue than necessarily the word of god? I’m not too sure that such calls to arms exist in the New Testament?
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    I agree that many things were done in the name of God that were clearly against Him. Is this a fault of the text or the interpretation of the text? If it's not a fault of the text then why is the text targeted as a problem?


    I think good old Ophiolite called it "throwing the baby out with the bathwater”. Yes I think it is a common mistake. I think it has mostly to do with what is written in the old testament concerning obviously ridiculous norms as discussed before. The texts hold profound truths, but you have to be able to distinguish the pearls from the nonsense.
    This, among others.
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    Praying works, just don't expect miracles. The site that you have given in that reference I feel compelled not to read any more of it. I fell strange inside, not fear, just stange. Sorry I can't read it, I want to but I'd probably have to come up with a rational explantion as is the norm with me. I understand your belief. But if you no longer believe but didn't actually believe or understand in the first place its ok.

    If you pray, and believe it will come true (and swear to God that you will return him a favour).

    I have prayed for many things and they have come true. I haven't asked for world peace thats ridiculous. And let me put it this way, I'd never got as far as I have if it were not for God looking out for me and answering my prayers. Honestly I tell the truth when I say that. I'll give you an example if you want me to .
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    You know, I know exactly how you feel. I know all about not wanting to doubt my religion: We are supposed to believe like children; if I fully immerse myself in my religion, doubt would be replaced by a feeling of content, inner warmth and peace; etc. I remember exactly how I used to feel when I read something similar to that website. I tried to figure out all the obvious fallacies proposed by my religion (a result of this was actually being able to successfully have an answer to all the misgivings of an atheist friend, even successfully getting him to form a concrete understanding of a soul, which resulted in him seriously attempting to become born again, which failed eventually). I did have periods of deep belief as well. My grandmother was given hours to live, but after a long night of pleading for god to fix her, she got better and is still walking around today. Whenever a poster tries to explain his beliefs, his arguments remind me of my own journey. I still cringe when someone uses god’s name in vain. I have been through all the phases and still ended up where I am now. I do not have any doubt though, that the outcome is the correct one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER
    You know, I know exactly how you feel. I know all about not wanting to doubt my religion: We are supposed to believe like children; if I fully immerse myself in my religion, doubt would be replaced by a feeling of content, inner warmth and peace; etc. I remember exactly how I used to feel when I read something similar to that website. I tried to figure out all the obvious fallacies proposed by my religion (a result of this was actually being able to successfully have an answer to all the misgivings of an atheist friend, even successfully getting him to form a concrete understanding of a soul, which resulted in him seriously attempting to become born again, which failed eventually). I did have periods of deep belief as well. My grandmother was given hours to live, but after a long night of pleading for god to fix her, she got better and is still walking around today. Whenever a poster tries to explain his beliefs, his arguments remind me of my own journey. I still cringe when someone uses god’s name in vain. I have been through all the phases and still ended up where I am now. I do not have any doubt though, that the outcome is the correct one.
    Like everything else, only time will tell hey?

    I have complete faith and deeds in God. I feel so happy with my life and love God and Jesus very much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samcdkey
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    eh, where do you get you information that christianity tells every women to cover their hair? Nuns were habits not all christian women Nuns are tiny percentages of the usually catholic religion, who choose to go into an order, they are not everyday people Take your nose out of your one story book and live in the real world

    as for the other jewish picture, hows that a hijab
    In Byzantine Christianity, prostitutes were forbidden to wear the veil but all Christian women of stature wore one. It was a sign of both status and sacredness.
    The Byzantines are believed to have invented the veil for women, worn only in the street by the upper classes. This was later adopted in much of the Islamic world. In general women outside court circles went well wrapped up in public, and were relatively restricted in their movements outside the house; they are rarely depicted in art.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_dress#Veil

    The Tuareg men of Africa for instance, veil themselves for the same reason, the higher the stature the more they cover themselves.

    The Tuareg are known as "the people of the veil" because, at the age of 25, the men begin wearing a veil that conceals the whole face excluding their eyes. They never remove this veil, even amongst family members; it is believed to protect them from evil spirits that enter the body through the nose and mouth. The Tuareg women are not veiled, although they do wear a head-scarf over their hair after they are married to show that they are no longer available to other men. Most Tuareg are followers of Islam, and they are generally found in Nigeria, Senegal, Mali, and Burkina Faso.
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    yeah i realise the veil pre-dates a more modern religion like islam, but my comment was in modern context
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    Fine. The thing is, it is important to try and really understand the different viewpoints before dispensing judgement (I'm guilty of this too sometimes).

    Like everything else, only time will tell hey?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HomoUniversalis
    Why is that girl wearing a Hijab? Isn't she too young for that sort of thing?
    Girls at this age usually do not wear Hijab.. They must wear it when they reach teenage.
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    By the way Muslims do not force women to wear Hijab here are some links for mulim actresses who do not wear Hijab so it is thier choice:

    http://www.majalisna.com/gallery/75/...1059271888.jpg
    http://pms.panet.co.il/online/images...da3a0b93f3.jpg
    http://www.farfesh.com/article-images/b05929131935.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    By the way Muslims do not force women to wear Hijab here are some links for mulim actresses who do not wear Hijab so it is thier choice:

    http://www.majalisna.com/gallery/75/...1059271888.jpg
    http://pms.panet.co.il/online/images...da3a0b93f3.jpg
    http://www.farfesh.com/article-images/b05929131935.jpg
    Not sure how we can tell their religion from those pics maybe they are lucky enough not to live in an islamic country


    your totally missing the point as usual, no-one on here has said ALL muslim women wear hijabs, my uncles screwing a muslim woman at the moment and she looks like a prostitute

    How about some pics of muslim women in afghanistan under the taliban, i can remember seeing a woman from that time without a head dress on, mind you here head wasn't attached to her body at the time
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    Quote Originally Posted by captaincaveman
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    By the way Muslims do not force women to wear Hijab here are some links for mulim actresses who do not wear Hijab so it is thier choice:

    http://www.majalisna.com/gallery/75/...1059271888.jpg
    http://pms.panet.co.il/online/images...da3a0b93f3.jpg
    http://www.farfesh.com/article-images/b05929131935.jpg
    Not sure how we can tell their religion from those pics maybe they are lucky enough not to live in an islamic country


    your totally missing the point as usual, no-one on here has said ALL muslim women wear hijabs, my uncles screwing a muslim woman at the moment and she looks like a prostitute

    How about some pics of muslim women in afghanistan under the taliban, i can remember seeing a woman from that time without a head dress on, mind you here head wasn't attached to her body at the time

    These photos are for famous muslim women who live now in the Islamic Egyptian country
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
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    By the way Muslims do not force women to wear Hijab here are some links for mulim actresses who do not wear Hijab so it is thier choice:

    http://www.majalisna.com/gallery/75/...1059271888.jpg
    http://pms.panet.co.il/online/images...da3a0b93f3.jpg
    http://www.farfesh.com/article-images/b05929131935.jpg
    Not sure how we can tell their religion from those pics maybe they are lucky enough not to live in an islamic country


    your totally missing the point as usual, no-one on here has said ALL muslim women wear hijabs, my uncles screwing a muslim woman at the moment and she looks like a prostitute

    How about some pics of muslim women in afghanistan under the taliban, i can remember seeing a woman from that time without a head dress on, mind you here head wasn't attached to her body at the time

    These photos are for famous muslim women who live now in the Islamic Egyptian country
    but you cant base the whole islamic world on egypt

    this is quite an interesting statistic about egypt on literacy

    definition: age 15 and over can read and write
    total population: 71.4%
    male: 83%
    female: 59.4% (2005 est.)


    why the difference in literacy skills?

    similar pattern in afghanistan
    total population: 28.1%
    male: 43.1%
    female: 12.6%

    iraq
    total population: 74.1%
    male: 84.1%
    female: 64.2%

    iran
    total population: 77%
    male: 83.5%
    female: 70.4%

    pakistan
    total population: 49.9%
    male: 63%
    female: 36%

    algeria
    total population: 69.9%
    male: 79.6%
    female: 60.1%

    tunisia
    total population: 74.3%
    male: 83.4%
    female: 65.3%

    compared with western countries
    UK
    total population: 99%
    male: 99%
    female: 99%

    US
    total population: 99%
    male: 99%
    female: 99%

    Germany
    total population: 99%
    male: 99%
    female: 99%

    these are similar for france, italy, spain, denmark, sweden, finland, norway, etc etc

    Now im not talking about literacy levels as a whole, cause theres other reasons for that, im talking about the difference in males and females, and what conclusions you can gain from that, Why do islamic countrys have such a difference between male and female literacy?

    Its all about control of women, same with dress codes and not talking to other men etc etc etc
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    Where in gods unholy plane did you get those statistics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht
    Where in gods unholy plane did you get those statistics?
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    i bet you prof will say it's all lies
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    i bet you prof will say it's all lies
    Thats the usual response. Im sure that information wont be accepted, because its down to the CIA
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    Where in gods unholy plane did you get those statistics?
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    I expected a damn link. Give links when you give statistics. Otherwise it's a pain in the ass for everyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht
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    Where in gods unholy plane did you get those statistics?
    CIA website
    I expected a damn link. Give links when you give statistics. Otherwise it's a pain in the ass for everyone else.
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    that CIA website is great!

    pulled out the numbers for israel:

    definition: age 15 and over can read and write
    total population: 97.1%
    male: 98.5%
    female: 95.9% (2004 est.)
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    Also an interesting note if you put world as the topic

    so for world



    total population: 82%
    male: 87%
    female: 77%
    note: over two-thirds of the world's 785 million illiterate adults are found in only eight countries (India, China, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Indonesia, and Egypt); of all the illiterate adults in the world, two-thirds are women; extremely low literacy rates are concentrated in three regions, South and West Asia, Sub-Saharan Africa, and the Arab states, where around one-third of the men and half of all women are illiterate (2005 est.)


    another interesting thing is the 2004 estimated religious breakdown for the world

    Christians 33.03% (of which Roman Catholics 17.33%, Protestants 5.8%, Orthodox 3.42%, Anglicans 1.23%), Muslims 20.12%, Hindus 13.34%, Buddhists 5.89%, Sikhs 0.39%, Jews 0.23%, other religions 12.61%, non-religious 12.03%, atheists 2.36% (2004 est.)
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    I have to say this:

    In the name of Allah the Most merciful
    This is the first line from sherif003 on this post, and note at the end most merciful. God is all merciful but a lot muslims don't do a very good job of following Him do they? Why are the intelligent muslims always ranting on about this stuff? I mean I'm Christian and I no longer force anything down your throats do I?
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    Where in gods unholy plane did you get those statistics?
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    I expected a damn link. Give links when you give statistics. Otherwise it's a pain in the ass for everyone else.
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    Praying works, just don't expect miracles.

    If you pray, and believe it will come true (and swear to God that you will return him a favour).

    I have prayed for many things and they have come true. I haven't asked for world peace thats ridiculous.
    It always ceases to amaze me when theists claim prayer works, yet no changes whatsoever to the human condition are forthcoming.

    And of course, theists will claim prayer works when they get a hit, but will conveniently forget about all the misses.

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    Praying works, just don't expect miracles.

    If you pray, and believe it will come true (and swear to God that you will return him a favour).

    I have prayed for many things and they have come true. I haven't asked for world peace thats ridiculous.
    It always ceases to amaze me when theists claim prayer works, yet no changes whatsoever to the human condition are forthcoming.

    And of course, theists will claim prayer works when they get a hit, but will conveniently forget about all the misses.

    Two hands working will accomplish more than a billion hands clasped in prayer.
    watch this link on the workings of prayer, its 10mins long(and the prayer things a 6 minutes in, i think, but it does have a valid point) by the stand up george carlin,viewers discression may be advised

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o
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    Quote Originally Posted by (Q)
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    Praying works, just don't expect miracles.

    If you pray, and believe it will come true (and swear to God that you will return him a favour).

    I have prayed for many things and they have come true. I haven't asked for world peace thats ridiculous.
    It always ceases to amaze me when theists claim prayer works, yet no changes whatsoever to the human condition are forthcoming.

    And of course, theists will claim prayer works when they get a hit, but will conveniently forget about all the misses.

    Two hands working will accomplish more than a billion hands clasped in prayer.
    Why think of the bad if you get good? That is the sign of a pessimist, I am an optimist so perhaps our opinions are orientated around that difference and perhaps we are not so different as it may seem.

    Prayinhg does work, just don't expect miracles (Q).
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    Praying works, just don't expect miracles.

    If you pray, and believe it will come true (and swear to God that you will return him a favour).

    I have prayed for many things and they have come true. I haven't asked for world peace thats ridiculous.
    It always ceases to amaze me when theists claim prayer works, yet no changes whatsoever to the human condition are forthcoming.

    And of course, theists will claim prayer works when they get a hit, but will conveniently forget about all the misses.

    Two hands working will accomplish more than a billion hands clasped in prayer.
    watch this link on the workings of prayer, its 10mins long(and the prayer things a 6 minutes in, i think, but it does have a valid point) by the stand up george carlin,viewers discression may be advised

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o
    Atheism makes me laugh. I'd love to take the piss out of you lot. It'd be fun and I'm sure you'd laugh. I am still amazed why atheists are this way, delusion aside we all have our beliefs, respect them. HE NEEDS MONEY! ROFL XD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    Why think of the bad if you get good? That is the sign of a pessimist, I am an optimist so perhaps our opinions are orientated around that difference and perhaps we are not so different as it may seem.
    We are very different in that regard. Praying only provides false hopes as anyone can plainly see. If it did actually work, why wouldn't the billions of theists on the planet pray to their god to cure diseases and provide food to the starving, many of whom are theists, Christians like yourself?

    Prayinhg does work, just don't expect miracles (Q).
    But, isn't that EXACTLY what IS expected? Miracles?
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    Why think of the bad if you get good? That is the sign of a pessimist, I am an optimist so perhaps our opinions are orientated around that difference and perhaps we are not so different as it may seem.
    We are very different in that regard. Praying only provides false hopes as anyone can plainly see. If it did actually work, why wouldn't the billions of theists on the planet pray to their god to cure diseases and provide food to the starving, many of whom are theists, Christians like yourself?

    Prayinhg does work, just don't expect miracles (Q).
    But, isn't that EXACTLY what IS expected? Miracles?
    You can't pray for world peace or hungry people to be ok, well you can but I think you'd have to do something really good in return for God. Miracles aren't expected. For instance I prayed to get all C's in my GCSE's. Through being a better person in return to God I said, I was prediected somewhat around those grades but all the mock exams I did at the time were low grade ones. I got all C's in them. Now I'm not saying God controlled the mind of the examiner, heres perhaps what He could have done:

    1: Inserted a thought into the exam designer to make a few questions easy
    2: Make something happen on to the examiner the night before marking to make him/her in a good mood when marking.
    3: Removed a few obstacles in my way on the day of my exam
    4: Give a hint to me when I'm in the exam room.

    I didn't even revise much!

    Many possible things. I will be honest sometimes I can come up with stuff that I don't even know, such as physics knowledge. My understanding of that is only a year old and already I know a lot already. I prayed for that to come true, it did not happen overnight and I did not let God do it all, I did some myself (which is God through me anyway so He technically did it all (that's me being meek)).

    I'm 100% sure you and everyone else will thing this is a load of bullsh!t abd rambling by myself again but it works, and if it works I'm not going to question it. If you don't believe something true and it comes true, what has come true?
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer

    You can't pray for world peace or hungry people to be ok, well you can but I think you'd have to do something really good in return for God.
    I don't owe any fucking god any favors. It is YOUR god, or someone elses, who created diseases and starvation, he should be the one to fix them. Fuck him.

    I'm 100% sure you and everyone else will thing this is a load of bullsh!t
    Bingo! It is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    Why think of the bad if you get good? That is the sign of a pessimist, I am an optimist so perhaps our opinions are orientated around that difference and perhaps we are not so different as it may seem.
    We are very different in that regard. Praying only provides false hopes as anyone can plainly see. If it did actually work, why wouldn't the billions of theists on the planet pray to their god to cure diseases and provide food to the starving, many of whom are theists, Christians like yourself?

    Prayinhg does work, just don't expect miracles (Q).
    But, isn't that EXACTLY what IS expected? Miracles?
    You can't pray for world peace or hungry people to be ok, well you can but I think you'd have to do something really good in return for God. Miracles aren't expected. For instance I prayed to get all C's in my GCSE's. Through being a better person in return to God I said, I was prediected somewhat around those grades but all the mock exams I did at the time were low grade ones. I got all C's in them. Now I'm not saying God controlled the mind of the examiner, heres perhaps what He could have done:

    1: Inserted a thought into the exam designer to make a few questions easy
    2: Make something happen on to the examiner the night before marking to make him/her in a good mood when marking.
    3: Removed a few obstacles in my way on the day of my exam
    4: Give a hint to me when I'm in the exam room.

    I didn't even revise much!

    Many possible things. I will be honest sometimes I can come up with stuff that I don't even know, such as physics knowledge. My understanding of that is only a year old and already I know a lot already. I prayed for that to come true, it did not happen overnight and I did not let God do it all, I did some myself (which is God through me anyway so He technically did it all (that's me being meek)).

    I'm 100% sure you and everyone else will thing this is a load of bullsh!t abd rambling by myself again but it works, and if it works I'm not going to question it. If you don't believe something true and it comes true, what has come true?
    well maybe if you spent less time praying and more studying you could have achieved better than c's

    And as for the comment about suddenly coming up with stuff that you didn't know, well thats just irrational and delusional, if you think that has anything to do with god
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    You can't pray for world peace or hungry people to be ok, well you can but I think you'd have to do something really good in return for God.
    I don't owe any fucking god any favors. It is YOUR god, or someone elses, who created diseases and starvation, he should be the one to fix them. Fuck him.

    I'm 100% sure you and everyone else will thing this is a load of bullsh!t
    Bingo! It is.
    Bottom line (Q), you can either start being understanding of others beliefs and enter the big wide ocean, or you can keep insulting the views of other people and not addressing any true problems and stay in that little pond of yours like every other ill understanding person on this forum and die in some corner of the world forgotten to be a dead man in the sand. Because no one will remeber you. No wait they might,

    Remember that arsehole that called everyones beliefs? No? Which one was that? If you're not understanding of people and respectful in at least some way you'll get fuck all in this world. You want something, grovel, get your fat ass on the ground like the rest of us, then work your way up THEN you can take the rip out of everyone if you want to be rich and forgotten.

    Have a problem with the world? Solve it? If religion is your problem why don't you andyour firends on this forum go out and stop religion? Oh you can't because your in a small pond aren't you/

    I apologise for coming to your level but you need a good roasting as do the most of you lot, its for your own good you are understanding, if you won't listen you may as well be dead-or someone rip your balls off so you can not contaminate the world. Go back to your momma cry baby. And thats the bottom line cos Stone Cold said so.

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    You can't pray for world peace or hungry people to be ok, well you can but I think you'd have to do something really good in return for God.
    I don't owe any fucking god any favors. It is YOUR god, or someone elses, who created diseases and starvation, he should be the one to fix them. Fuck him.

    I'm 100% sure you and everyone else will thing this is a load of bullsh!t
    Bingo! It is.
    Bottom line (Q), you can either start being understanding of others beliefs and enter the big wide ocean, or you can keep insulting the views of other people and not addressing any true problems and stay in that little pond of yours like every other ill understanding person on this forum and die in some corner of the world forgotten to be a dead man in the sand. Because no one will remeber you. No wait they might,

    Remember that arsehole that called everyones beliefs? No? Which one was that? If you're not understanding of people and respectful in at least some way you'll get fuck all in this world. You want something, grovel, get your fat ass on the ground like the rest of us, then work your way up THEN you can take the rip out of everyone if you want to be rich and forgotten.

    Have a problem with the world? Solve it? If religion is your problem why don't you andyour firends on this forum go out and stop religion? Oh you can't because your in a small pond aren't you/

    I apologise for coming to your level but you need a good roasting as do the most of you lot, its for your own good you are understanding, if you won't listen you may as well be dead-or someone rip your balls off so you can not contaminate the world. Go back to your momma cry baby. And thats the bottom line cos Stone Cold said so.

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4b-44LEdd1g

    svwillmer, what are you going to do to make you remembered?, other than someone who comes up in comical anacdotes about religious nutbags
    And as to say, that people should be "understanding of others beliefs and enter the big wide ocean" is totally wrong, we understand your mindset, just happen to think its bullshit, simple as that


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    Bottom line (Q), you can either start being understanding of others beliefs and enter the big wide ocean, or you can keep insulting the views of other people and not addressing any true problems and stay in that little pond of yours like every other ill understanding person on this forum and die in some corner of the world forgotten to be a dead man in the sand.
    Fucking hilarious. The "true problems" are a result of cults like yours. Addressing them means eradicating those cults, which would start with the eradication of indoctrination, one of the cruelest forms of child abuse.

    If you're not understanding of people and respectful in at least some way you'll get fuck all in this world.
    I respect people, I don't respect their cults.

    If religion is your problem why don't you andyour firends on this forum go out and stop religion? Oh you can't because your in a small pond aren't you/
    A pond that grows bigger and will one day be an ocean. Your cult will soon see the last of its oppressive days. Someday, your children will learn where you failed to learn.

    I apologise for coming to your level but you need a good roasting as do the most of you lot, its for your own good you are understanding, if you won't listen you may as well be dead-or someone rip your balls off so you can not contaminate the world. Go back to your momma cry baby. And thats the bottom line cos Stone Cold said so.
    You need not apologize for lifting yourself out of your delusional state for just a moment. Your impotent attempt at 'roasting' me was somewhat entertaining, yet utterly puerile.
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    I have a number of scientific theories backed with mathematical percision that one day after tidying up and study thereof will be able to publish them. They too are theories that I asked fro from God. I'm young and have my entire life ahead of me, I have all the time in the world to develop my theories and one day plan to publish them. I do not wish to be remembered. I wish to go on as if I did not exist, that way I can be meek about the accomplishements and so that I do not take credit and so that God can. It just maddens me that a lot of you aren't living up to your potential, especially (Q), he needs to wake up.
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    Bottom line (Q), you can either start being understanding of others beliefs and enter the big wide ocean, or you can keep insulting the views of other people and not addressing any true problems and stay in that little pond of yours like every other ill understanding person on this forum and die in some corner of the world forgotten to be a dead man in the sand.
    Fucking hilarious. The "true problems" are a result of cults like yours. Addressing them means eradicating those cults, which would start with the eradication of indoctrination, one of the cruelest forms of child abuse.

    If you're not understanding of people and respectful in at least some way you'll get fuck all in this world.
    I respect people, I don't respect their cults.

    If religion is your problem why don't you andyour firends on this forum go out and stop religion? Oh you can't because your in a small pond aren't you/
    A pond that grows bigger and will one day be an ocean. Your cult will soon see the last of its oppressive days. Someday, your children will learn where you failed to learn.

    I apologise for coming to your level but you need a good roasting as do the most of you lot, its for your own good you are understanding, if you won't listen you may as well be dead-or someone rip your balls off so you can not contaminate the world. Go back to your momma cry baby. And thats the bottom line cos Stone Cold said so.
    You need not apologize for lifting yourself out of your delusional state for just a moment. Your impotent attempt at 'roasting' me was somewhat entertaining, yet utterly puerile.
    By pond and ocean I did not mean religion. I meant reality. Reality of how you treat people reflect where you belong. My downfall by doing what you are doing is so you can enter the ocean where you deserve to be, and where you are refusing to go. (and it is not religion).

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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    I have a number of scientific theories backed with mathematical percision that one day after tidying up and study thereof will be able to publish them. They too are theories that I asked fro from God. I'm young and have my entire life ahead of me, I have all the time in the world to develop my theories and one day plan to publish them. I do not wish to be remembered. I wish to go on as if I did not exist, that way I can be meek about the accomplishements and so that I do not take credit and so that God can. It just maddens me that a lot of you aren't living up to your potential, especially (Q), he needs to wake up.
    sounds amazing for someone who only managed c's

    care to share your wonderful theorys?(or even a taster of what youve achieved) or are you concerned to embarass yourself
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    I have a number of scientific theories backed with mathematical percision that one day after tidying up and study thereof will be able to publish them. They too are theories that I asked fro from God. I'm young and have my entire life ahead of me, I have all the time in the world to develop my theories and one day plan to publish them. I do not wish to be remembered. I wish to go on as if I did not exist, that way I can be meek about the accomplishements and so that I do not take credit and so that God can. It just maddens me that a lot of you aren't living up to your potential, especially (Q), he needs to wake up.
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    I have a number of scientific theories backed with mathematical percision that one day after tidying up and study thereof will be able to publish them. They too are theories that I asked fro from God. I'm young and have my entire life ahead of me, I have all the time in the world to develop my theories and one day plan to publish them. I do not wish to be remembered. I wish to go on as if I did not exist, that way I can be meek about the accomplishements and so that I do not take credit and so that God can. It just maddens me that a lot of you aren't living up to your potential, especially (Q), he needs to wake up.
    sounds amazing for someone who only managed c's

    care to share your wonderful theorys?(or even a taster of what youve achieved) or are you concerned to embarass yourself
    When you stop taking the piss, yes.

    Those C's are my ground foothold. I emcopass the ability to learn at a higher rate than others, my IQ has increased 26 points in the last year discovered by that IQ test by whats his name, the guy who was into developmental psychology. It's not Piaget is it? I can't remember. (Memory at the mercy of intelligence)

    I am already aspired to gain A's in maths and physics at A-level.
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    I have a number of scientific theories backed with mathematical percision that one day after tidying up and study thereof will be able to publish them. They too are theories that I asked fro from God. I'm young and have my entire life ahead of me, I have all the time in the world to develop my theories and one day plan to publish them. I do not wish to be remembered. I wish to go on as if I did not exist, that way I can be meek about the accomplishements and so that I do not take credit and so that God can. It just maddens me that a lot of you aren't living up to your potential, especially (Q), he needs to wake up.
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    I have a number of scientific theories backed with mathematical percision that one day after tidying up and study thereof will be able to publish them. They too are theories that I asked fro from God. I'm young and have my entire life ahead of me, I have all the time in the world to develop my theories and one day plan to publish them. I do not wish to be remembered. I wish to go on as if I did not exist, that way I can be meek about the accomplishements and so that I do not take credit and so that God can. It just maddens me that a lot of you aren't living up to your potential, especially (Q), he needs to wake up.
    sounds amazing for someone who only managed c's

    care to share your wonderful theorys?(or even a taster of what youve achieved) or are you concerned to embarass yourself
    When you stop taking the piss, yes.

    Those C's are my ground foothold. I emcopass the ability to learn at a higher rate than others, my IQ has increased 26 points in the last year discovered by that IQ test by whats his name, the guy who was into developmental psychology. It's not Piaget is it? I can't remember. (Memory at the mercy of intelligence)

    I am already aspired to gain A's in maths and physics at A-level.
    so what are these theorys then? at your age, to have mathematically provable physics theorys would put you into a select few percent, Now theres three ways of looking at this, either you deluded and bullshitting, a child genius or you are mistaken with your theorys/scientific history

    The first is a very high likelyhood, especially as it came to you from god, the second is highly improbable and the third(and most importantly) is testable by expalining your theorys on here for other minds to look over :wink:
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    Those C's are my ground foothold. I emcopass the ability to learn at a higher rate than others, my IQ has increased 26 points in the last year discovered by that IQ test by whats his name, the guy who was into developmental psychology. It's not Piaget is it? I can't remember. (Memory at the mercy of intelligence)
    You posted not too long ago that your IQ is 124 or 126? I can't remember the exact number. Does that mean you're saying that this IQ test you took is showing you at 150, or that your previous IQ test scored at 100?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TvEye
    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    Those C's are my ground foothold. I emcopass the ability to learn at a higher rate than others, my IQ has increased 26 points in the last year discovered by that IQ test by whats his name, the guy who was into developmental psychology. It's not Piaget is it? I can't remember. (Memory at the mercy of intelligence)
    You posted not too long ago that your IQ is 124 or 126? I can't remember the exact number. Does that mean you're saying that this IQ test you took is showing you at 150, or that your previous IQ test scored at 100?
    Previous score was 100, its gone up by 26. I was a daft as a brush and as crazy as a coot last year, but my intelligence has shot up greatly. If you ask anyone I know they'll say that last year I was gormless and quite unintelligent, now they all ask me a lot of questions, they even think that because I know a fair bit, I'll know the answer to anything, like some movie quote line off some film I've never seen.

    Caveman. I'm no genius but my old teachers and now lecturers say I'm the one with the most potential, of course I like having a good time though-hence the I've got a lot of time. . My theory lies on relativity, I'm not going to disclose anything because I want to patent it first, it is very logical, anyone could think of it if they just though about it.
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    Wow...how'd this load of bovine vomit stay out of the trash can? Didn't we just plug a bunch of "praise allah" spam into the can a week or so ago?
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    Wow...how'd this load of bovine vomit stay out of the trash can? Didn't we just plug a bunch of "praise allah" spam into the can a week or so ago?
    Yea, what was it again? Something by Mazhara right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    i bet you prof will say it's all lies
    I can not say that before making sure, man
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    Quote Originally Posted by TvEye
    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    Those C's are my ground foothold. I emcopass the ability to learn at a higher rate than others, my IQ has increased 26 points in the last year discovered by that IQ test by whats his name, the guy who was into developmental psychology. It's not Piaget is it? I can't remember. (Memory at the mercy of intelligence)
    You posted not too long ago that your IQ is 124 or 126? I can't remember the exact number. Does that mean you're saying that this IQ test you took is showing you at 150, or that your previous IQ test scored at 100?
    Previous score was 100, its gone up by 26. I was a daft as a brush and as crazy as a coot last year, but my intelligence has shot up greatly. If you ask anyone I know they'll say that last year I was gormless and quite unintelligent, now they all ask me a lot of questions, they even think that because I know a fair bit, I'll know the answer to anything, like some movie quote line off some film I've never seen.

    Caveman. I'm no genius but my old teachers and now lecturers say I'm the one with the most potential, of course I like having a good time though-hence the I've got a lot of time. . My theory lies on relativity, I'm not going to disclose anything because I want to patent it first, it is very logical, anyone could think of it if they just though about it.

    good luck with that then, have you researched other people work, cause alot of thoughts already gone into relativety, books worth, so its worth reading up before you waste too much time :-D
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    but you cant base the whole islamic world on egypt Laughing

    this is quite an interesting statistic about egypt on literacy

    definition: age 15 and over can read and write
    total population: 71.4%
    male: 83%
    female: 59.4% (2005 est.)


    why the difference in literacy skills?

    similar pattern in afghanistan
    total population: 28.1%
    male: 43.1%
    female: 12.6%

    iraq
    total population: 74.1%
    male: 84.1%
    female: 64.2%

    iran
    total population: 77%
    male: 83.5%
    female: 70.4%

    pakistan
    total population: 49.9%
    male: 63%
    female: 36%

    algeria
    total population: 69.9%
    male: 79.6%
    female: 60.1%

    tunisia
    total population: 74.3%
    male: 83.4%
    female: 65.3%

    compared with western countries
    UK
    total population: 99%
    male: 99%
    female: 99%

    US
    total population: 99%
    male: 99%
    female: 99%

    Germany
    total population: 99%
    male: 99%
    female: 99%

    these are similar for france, italy, spain, denmark, sweden, finland, norway, etc etc

    Now im not talking about literacy levels as a whole, cause theres other reasons for that, im talking about the difference in males and females, and what conclusions you can gain from that, Why do islamic countrys have such a difference between male and female literacy?

    Its all about control of women, same with dress codes and not talking to other men etc etc etc
    Yes all facts were true :-D but it does not make sense why???? because all mentioned countries took thier independence from the fucking Frensh, Russian and English invasion 50-60 years ago.

    So this is normal these countries did not start developing as you did from a long time. They start developing and still exploited nutil now as a market for your fucking products.

    There is an economic war declared against these people can't you see that??

    The Good Economy==> Good Education==> Welfare ==> Progress

    Besides in developing socities they prefer to learn men because they are more important than women in holding the responsabilities.

    THID LEAD US TO THE 3rd QUESTION.
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    The third Question why women do not have equal rights like men in Islam????

    I found that also the west do not give all rights to women.

    For Example why the pope of Rome is not female???? why he always man???



    Why all Rabbis are men??? Oh my god they have long beards just like muslims is'nt that strange?




    why we did not see a female president for USA (freedom country) before?? we just see this only one nominant Miss Hillary Clinton for 2008


    The feminism itself did not appear in Europe except in 20th century and look Muslims give women the right to vote 1400 years ago how did that happen???

    The prophet Mohamed PBHU took his wife opinion about a broblem faced him.

    Also Caliphate Omar Ibn-El-Khatab said to a woman in the peoples assemply one day "you were right and Omar was wrong"

    These Two examples are what I can remember right now.


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    First-wave feminism refers to a period of feminist activity during the nineteenth century and early twentieth century in the United Kingdom and the United States. Originally it focused on equal rights of contract and property and opposition to chattel marriage and ownership of married women (and their children) by husbands. Mary Wollstonecraft's Vindication of the Rights of Women is considered a germinal essay of feminism. By the end of the nineteenth century, activism focused primarily on gaining political power - the right of women's suffrage, though feminists like Voltairine de Cleyre and Margaret Sanger were still active in campaigning for women's sexual and reproductive and economic rights at this time. The term, "first-wave," was coined retrospectively after the term second-wave feminism began to be used to describe a newer feminist movement that focused as much on fighting social and cultural inequalities as further political inequalities.[19]
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    Because men are men, vile and corrupt, you can't blame the actions of men on God. That makes no sense, that is like blaming a dog for the crime of robbing a bank when the man did it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    Because men are men, vile and corrupt, you can't blame the actions of men on God. That makes no sense, that is like blaming a dog for the crime of robbing a bank when the man did it.
    I congratualte you for your opinion. At last I found a real wetern man. yeah man is man. Everyone in this life has his responsability. But some ignorants want to change the god's law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    Because men are men, vile and corrupt, you can't blame the actions of men on God. That makes no sense, that is like blaming a dog for the crime of robbing a bank when the man did it.
    I congratualte you for your opinion. At last I found a real wetern man. yeah man is man. Everyone in this life has his responsability. But some ignorants want to change the god's law.
    Yes, unfortuanetly they do .

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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    Because men are men, vile and corrupt, you can't blame the actions of men on God. That makes no sense, that is like blaming a dog for the crime of robbing a bank when the man did it.
    I congratualte you for your opinion. At last I found a real wetern man. yeah man is man. Everyone in this life has his responsability. But some ignorants want to change the god's law.
    Yes, unfortuanetly they do .

    The devil through them that is.
    But you did not tell me your opinion about long beards? many religious men in christianity and judism do it so what do you think???
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    Because men are men, vile and corrupt, you can't blame the actions of men on God. That makes no sense, that is like blaming a dog for the crime of robbing a bank when the man did it.
    I congratualte you for your opinion. At last I found a real wetern man. yeah man is man. Everyone in this life has his responsability. But some ignorants want to change the god's law.
    Yes, unfortuanetly they do .

    The devil through them that is.
    But you did not tell me your opinion about long beards? many religious men in christianity and judism do it so what do you think???
    Why do they have long beards? I don't know I thought they did not have shavers over there. :-D
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    but you cant base the whole islamic world on egypt Laughing

    this is quite an interesting statistic about egypt on literacy

    definition: age 15 and over can read and write
    total population: 71.4%
    male: 83%
    female: 59.4% (2005 est.)


    why the difference in literacy skills?

    similar pattern in afghanistan
    total population: 28.1%
    male: 43.1%
    female: 12.6%

    iraq
    total population: 74.1%
    male: 84.1%
    female: 64.2%

    iran
    total population: 77%
    male: 83.5%
    female: 70.4%

    pakistan
    total population: 49.9%
    male: 63%
    female: 36%

    algeria
    total population: 69.9%
    male: 79.6%
    female: 60.1%

    tunisia
    total population: 74.3%
    male: 83.4%
    female: 65.3%

    compared with western countries
    UK
    total population: 99%
    male: 99%
    female: 99%

    US
    total population: 99%
    male: 99%
    female: 99%

    Germany
    total population: 99%
    male: 99%
    female: 99%

    these are similar for france, italy, spain, denmark, sweden, finland, norway, etc etc

    Now im not talking about literacy levels as a whole, cause theres other reasons for that, im talking about the difference in males and females, and what conclusions you can gain from that, Why do islamic countrys have such a difference between male and female literacy?

    Its all about control of women, same with dress codes and not talking to other men etc etc etc
    Yes all facts were true :-D but it does not make sense why???? because all mentioned countries took thier independence from the fucking Frensh, Russian and English invasion 50-60 years ago.

    So this is normal these countries did not start developing as you did from a long time. They start developing and still exploited nutil now as a market for your fucking products.

    There is an economic war declared against these people can't you see that??

    The Good Economy==> Good Education==> Welfare ==> Progress

    Besides in developing socities they prefer to learn men because they are more important than women in holding the responsabilities.

    THID LEAD US TO THE 3rd QUESTION.

    Well you didn't put much thought into that answer, i was commenting on the difference between men and women, not the overall lower literacy results, I think you answered my question with this statement


    Besides in developing socities they prefer to learn men because they are more important than women in holding the responsabilities
    The real answer to the difference is down to male oppression, thankyou for that that now i have seen both your bigotted and sexist side today


    Explain this economic war? Its a known fact that the majority of islamic countries have no production, without that a strong economy can never happen

    And youve had as you said 50-60years to get that right, In that same time germany went from nothing to a strong productive economy, always blaming others for your own faults, if islamic countrys put more effort into creating and less into destroying they wouldn't have a problem
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    Damn people stop quoting everything I'm tired of scrolling through the 3 page long list of literacy levels 10 times
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neutrino
    Damn people stop quoting everything I'm tired of scrolling through the 3 page long list of literacy levels 10 times
    sorry I am doing my best for not quoting everything but some lazy people do this. They are too lazy to press (backspace) key.
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    Because men are men, vile and corrupt, you can't blame the actions of men on God. That makes no sense, that is like blaming a dog for the crime of robbing a bank when the man did it.
    I congratualte you for your opinion. At last I found a real wetern man. yeah man is man. Everyone in this life has his responsability. But some ignorants want to change the god's law.
    Yes, unfortuanetly they do .

    The devil through them that is.
    But you did not tell me your opinion about long beards? many religious men in christianity and judism do it so what do you think???

    You dont beards that often in UK or american christianity(well thats just a personal choice of a few, very much at around the same percentage as non clergy i should imagine), not sure where you got that from?

    As for the women thing, we have had a female prime minister, same with germany now, female vicars are very commonandithinkaUS female presidentcould happen in the not to distant future, im not sure on your point there?

    Im also not sure what the relavence of beards is either
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    The last thing the Islamic community should be doing is bytching about the state of women in other countries/denominations.
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    In judaism there's something in the torah about how men aren't supposed to cut the hair at the corners of the face, hence the beards and curly cues in front of their ears. I'm not sure why beyond that.

    And just a quick thing about how they regard the women in judaism, there are certain prayers that women don't do. It's not because the men don't want them to pray, it's because they consider women to be more highly evolved and superior to men and therefore don't have to pray as much.
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    in norway we've had a few female prime ministers, gro harlem bruntland for one, and she was one of the most successful prime ministers we've had.
    i'm sure you should remember the shock and sorrow britain went through when princess Di died. then there was the legendary Elizabeth.
    oppression of women = barbarism.
    illiteracy = barbarism.
    instead of spending your days here at these forums, arguing how superior muslims are, why not go out there and actually DO something for your muslim brethren. like setting up a school to teach children to read and write?
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    I guess the OP ran away. LOL...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf
    I guess the OP ran away. LOL...
    To half quote Arnie:

    He'll be back
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    Yeah, but in a different thread with a new scheme. Those types of posters never stand up to the test of argument. If they really were devoted to "spreading the word" and proving their points, they'd try a little. I think all we got this round was a smattering of blabber that made no sense.
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