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    What do you know about ISLAM ?
    What do you think about ISLAM ?
    Have you try to discover what is the ISLAM ?
    What is your religion ?
    Do you believe that all the religions are from a same and one source?
    Have you never think to embrace ISLAM ? Why?
    What means the word "ISLAM" ?
    You believe on the life after death ?
    You believe on the Paradise and the HELL ? It exists Y/N ?
    Who are going to enter the Paradise ?
    Who are going to enter to the HELL ?
    You believe on the GOD's punishement?
    You believe on the GOD's forgiveness?
    You believe on the eternity in Paradise?
    Have you imagine for one minute your destiny after your death?
    You see people dying everyday in this world, Where they gone?
    Why many people are not happy in this world?
    Why the strong kill the weak?
    Why some people have no mercy ?
    Did you seen the sky, who made it?
    Did you seen the stars, who made them?
    Did you seen, the sun and the moon, who made them?
    Did you seen th earth who take care of it?
    Did you seen the seas, the rivers, who control them?
    Did you seen the human body, how it functions ?
    Who give the order to the heart to live and who give the order to stop?
    etc.. ?

    I will answer to these question after you replies and more information to those who want to discuss honestly and objectively about a religion which counts more than 1 400 000 000 muslims around the world. :wink:


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    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    What do you know about ISLAM ?
    Fantasy to motivate suicide bombers, springs to mind.


    What do you think about ISLAM ?
    Its members are the most intolerant and impertinent members of any group of modern times.
    Have you try to discover what is the ISLAM ?
    No I've tried to discover what human psychology leads to such crap.
    What is your religion ?
    Why do you assume everyone takes comfort in bullshit?

    Do you believe that all the religions are from a same and one source?
    Yeah: human greed, human control, human frailty.
    Have you never think to embrace ISLAM ? Why?
    I think for myself.

    You believe on the life after death ?
    No, I see nothing to back up this wishful thinking.
    You believe on the Paradise and the HELL ? It exists Y/N ?
    Yeah its otherwise called Romford clubbing on a saturday night.
    Who are going to enter the Paradise ?
    Who are going to enter to the HELL ?
    You believe on the GOD's punishement?
    You believe on the GOD's forgiveness?
    You believe on the eternity in Paradise?
    Have you imagine for one minute your destiny after your death?
    You see people dying everyday in this world, Where they gone?
    Why many people are not happy in this world?
    Why the strong kill the weak?
    Why some people have no mercy ?
    Mass murdering religious fascists?
    Did you seen the sky, who made it?
    Did you seen the stars, who made them?
    Did you seen, the sun and the moon, who made them?
    Did you seen th earth who take care of it?
    Did you seen the seas, the rivers, who control them?
    Did you seen the human body, how it functions ?
    Who give the order to the heart to live and who give the order to stop?
    etc.. ?
    Who put the shoo in shoowoppsybopshywop who put the ram in rammerlangerdingdong?


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    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    What do you know about ISLAM ?
    What do you think about ISLAM ?
    Have you try to discover what is the ISLAM ?
    ....
    Did you seen the human body, how it functions ?
    Who give the order to the heart to live and who give the order to stop?
    etc.. ?
    you seem to suffer from the delusion that these are real questions that merit a proper answer - they don't
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
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    The word "Islam" is an Arabic word which means "submission to the will of God". This word comes from the same root as the Arabic word "salam", which means "peace". As such, the religion of Islam teaches that in order to achieve true peace of mind and surety of heart, one must submit to God and live according to His Divinely revealed Law. The most important truth that God revealed to mankind is that there is nothing divine or worthy of being worshipped except for Almighty God, thus all human beings should submit to Him.

    The word "Muslim" means one who submits to the will of God, regardless of their race, nationality or ethnic background. Being a Muslim entails willful submission and active obedience to God, and living in accordance with His message. Some people mistakenly believe that Islam is just a religion for Arabs, but nothing could be further from the truth. Not only are there converts to Islam in every corner of the world, especially in England and America, but by taking a look at the Muslim World from Bosnia to Nigeria, and from Indonesia to Morocco, one can clearly see that Muslims come from many various races, ethnic groups and nationalities. It is also interesting to note that in actuality, more than 80% of all Muslims are not Arabs - there are more Muslims in Indonesia than in the whole Arab World! So though even though it is true that most Arabs are Muslims, the large majority of Muslims are not Arabs. However, anyone who submits completely to God and worships Him alone is a Muslim.
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    Christian fundamentalists are well-known (and often well-mocked) for making statements that they can’t actually back up very well with logic/evidence. But muslim proselytizers seem to be many times worse. They usually just keep repeating claims about Islam over and over, without ever trying to provide convincing evidence that they are actually true…as if they expect people to start believing their claims if they repeat them often enough. Christians will usually at least try to give you evidence or rationalizations when you ask, even if they are usually pretty lame. Muslims don’t seem to even bother trying. It’s like all they know how to do is repeat slogans that they’ve memorized.
    Who give the order to the heart to live and who give the order to stop?
    etc.. ?
    What, specifically, is your reason for believing that some entity has to "give an order" for a heart to start or stop beating?
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    I call COPY AND PASTER.

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    which counts more than 1 400 000 000 muslims around the world
    So just because there are almost 1.5 billion morons that do not know any better gives them a right to kill in the name of their superior beeing? Not that the other religions are any better.
    With the same right you could announce: HUMANS, feed on shit!! 50 Quntillion flies can't be wrong!!

    Just for your reference and now I want you to repeat after me: This is the 21st century. Period. People do not need an outdated religion created by a society that still strugles to arrive in the seventeenth century. Period.

    NEXT!!
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    The majority of muslims are peaceful people. There is a dichotomy within Islamic history and practice, just as there is within Christian history and practice, between the peaceful, cooperative, tolerant aspects of the religion and the aggressive, belligerent,close minded ones.

    To brand muslims as terrorists is inaccurate, unthinking, provocative, ill considered, or more simply - just plain dumb. It is as valueless as accusing Christians of responsibility for the deaths in Iraq that have stemmed from the incompetent actions of a fundamentalist US President.

    Religion is a way of structuring spiritual drives within a cultural context. Set aside the extremists and the fundamentalists and it offers a positive way of enhancing the lives of individuals and communities. That some of you, myself included, have chosen not to be part of such a structure, does not diminish its value.

    I suggest that some measure of respect from each of you towards the positive aspects of these religions would not go amiss.

    Sherif, there is a definite contradiction in your opening post. You conclude it with these words. "I will answer to these question after you replies and more information to those who want to discuss honestly and objectively about a religion which counts more than 1 400 000 000 muslims around the world."
    Here is my problem: I find it difficult to believe I will get an objective discussion from someone who posts such a formulaic list of questions. It reads like something you have copied from some religious writing. It does not contain the sense of freedom and wonder I would expect to see in someone who truly wishes and is capable of an objective discussion. Prove me wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twaaannnggg
    which counts more than 1 400 000 000 muslims around the world
    So just because there are almost 1.5 billion morons that do not know any better gives them a right to kill in the name of their superior beeing? Not that the other religions are any better.
    With the same right you could announce: HUMANS, feed on shit!! 50 Quntillion flies can't be wrong!!

    Just for your reference and now I want you to repeat after me: This is the 21st century. Period. People do not need an outdated religion created by a society that still strugles to arrive in the seventeenth century. Period.

    NEXT!!
    OMG. I'm so having this (if it's ok)
    HUMANS, feed on shit!! 50 Quntillion flies can't be wrong!!
    as my new signature.
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    What do you know about ISLAM ? - Not a great deal.
    What do you think about ISLAM ? - I hate it.
    Have you try to discover what is the ISLAM ? - Yes, a little.
    What is your religion ? - None.
    Do you believe that all the religions are from a same and one source? - No.
    Have you never think to embrace ISLAM ? Why? - No, i don't believe in god and because it contradicts many things in my life. If i was forced to choose a religion it would be Christianity as it is already (in a small way) part of my life and part of my culture.
    What means the word "ISLAM" ? - Submission.
    You believe on the life after death ? - No.
    You believe on the Paradise and the HELL ? It exists Y/N ? - No.
    Who are going to enter the Paradise ? - I'm already there.
    Who are going to enter to the HELL ? - I went to France last year.
    You believe on the GOD's punishement? - No.
    You believe on the GOD's forgiveness? - No.
    You believe on the eternity in Paradise? - No.
    Have you imagine for one minute your destiny after your death? - Yes.
    You see people dying everyday in this world, Where they gone? - To the worm supermarket.
    Why many people are not happy in this world? - People will always be unhappy, it's human nature.
    Why the strong kill the weak? - Nature.
    Why some people have no mercy ? - Because of their upbringing.
    Did you seen the sky, who made it? - Nobody.
    Did you seen the stars, who made them? - Nobody.
    Did you seen, the sun and the moon, who made them? - Nobody.
    Did you seen th earth who take care of it? - Us.
    Did you seen the seas, the rivers, who control them? - The laws of physics.
    Did you seen the human body, how it functions ? - Ask for the Grays Anatomy at your library.
    Who give the order to the heart to live and who give the order to stop?
    etc.. ? - Nobody.

    Quote Originally Posted by sherif
    I will answer to these question after you replies and more information to those who want to discuss honestly and objectively about a religion which counts more than 1 400 000 000 muslims around the world. :wink:
    Well the number of Muslims in the world is debatable. Some put the numbers as low as 800 million, some as high as 1.5 billion. Part of the problem is in some Muslim country's every member of the country is regarded as a Muslim by their government. In fact in some country's you cannot be a national or a citizen unless you are a Muslim, which is a real kick in the balls if you want to be a non-muslim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twaaannnggg
    which counts more than 1 400 000 000 muslims around the world
    So just because there are almost 1.5 billion morons that do not know any better gives them a right to kill in the name of their superior beeing? Not that the other religions are any better.
    With the same right you could announce: HUMANS, feed on shit!! 50 Quntillion flies can't be wrong!!

    Just for your reference and now I want you to repeat after me: This is the 21st century. Period. People do not need an outdated religion created by a society that still strugles to arrive in the seventeenth century. Period.

    NEXT!!
    Islam deny the act of terrorism, look at this :

    http://www.islamdoor.com/Terror.htm

    After seeing this evident arguments, what is your reply?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht
    I call COPY AND PASTER.
    Heh. What was I just saying about muslim proselytizers only being able to mindlessly repeat things? In any case, I think people have made plenty of counter-points for him to respond to if he's actually willing/able to engage in a rational discussion. Let's see if he tries to actually engage in a conversation with anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    Islam deny the act of terrorism, look at this :

    http://www.islamdoor.com/Terror.htm

    After seeing this evident arguments, what is your reply?
    The fact that some muslims don’t support terrorism in the name of Islam doesn’t change the fact that there are many others who do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    To brand muslims as terrorists is inaccurate, unthinking, provocative, ill considered, or more simply - just plain dumb. It is as valueless as accusing Christians of responsibility for the deaths in Iraq that have stemmed from the incompetent actions of a fundamentalist US President.
    The difference, of course, if that many muslim terrorists are - by their own admission - motivated by Islam. Yeah, the U.S. president happens to be a christian; but he never suggested that the U.S. should attack Iraq in the name of christianity, that U.S. soldiers were waging a "holy war" in accordance with god's will, or that soldiers who die fighting in Iraq will receive special rewards in the afterlife. Many muslim terrorists do quite explicitly claim all those things. If a person who just happened to be a muslim committed acts of violence for political/nationalistic reasons, it wouldn't affect my opinion of islam much - but that's often not the case.
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    why do i get the feeling that we've been here before ? many times over !
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    The majority of muslims are peaceful people. There is a dichotomy within Islamic history and practice, just as there is within Christian history and practice, between the peaceful, cooperative, tolerant aspects of the religion and the aggressive, belligerent,close minded ones.

    To brand muslims as terrorists is inaccurate, unthinking, provocative, ill considered, or more simply - just plain dumb. It is as valueless as accusing Christians of responsibility for the deaths in Iraq that have stemmed from the incompetent actions of a fundamentalist US President.

    Religion is a way of structuring spiritual drives within a cultural context. Set aside the extremists and the fundamentalists and it offers a positive way of enhancing the lives of individuals and communities. That some of you, myself included, have chosen not to be part of such a structure, does not diminish its value.

    I suggest that some measure of respect from each of you towards the positive aspects of these religions would not go amiss.

    Sherif, there is a definite contradiction in your opening post. You conclude it with these words. "I will answer to these question after you replies and more information to those who want to discuss honestly and objectively about a religion which counts more than 1 400 000 000 muslims around the world."
    Here is my problem: I find it difficult to believe I will get an objective discussion from someone who posts such a formulaic list of questions. It reads like something you have copied from some religious writing. It does not contain the sense of freedom and wonder I would expect to see in someone who truly wishes and is capable of an objective discussion. Prove me wrong.
    I feel you are digging at me, so:

    He asked in a "20 questions" " reply with the first thing that enters your head" manner! I replied with the things that I feel most fitted his questions, I guess. Not all my replies were about suicide bombing(less than half in fact).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    What do you know about ISLAM ?
    just what I study in the Qu'ran, Salman Rushdie put it best, Satanic Verses.
    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    What do you think about ISLAM ?
    an evil cult.
    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    Have you try to discover what is the ISLAM ?
    yes, and came to the conclusion, it is a wholly dangerous and irrational belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    What is your religion ?
    I have no religion, your welcome to follow whatever you wish, but dont take it too seriously that kills people.
    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    Do you believe that all the religions are from a same and one source?
    but of course, all religions come from the same source, "when man first looked up at the sun and decerned it to be a life giving god".
    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    Have you never think to embrace ISLAM ?
    no.
    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    Why?
    because i'm not irrational.
    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    What means the word "ISLAM" ?
    submission (to the irrational), oops sorry (to Allah)
    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    You believe on the life after death ?
    dont be silly, of course not.
    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    You believe on the Paradise and the HELL ? It exists Y/N ?
    dont be silly, of course not.
    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    Who are going to enter the Paradise ?
    nobody, dont be silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    Who are going to enter to the HELL ?
    nobody, dont be silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    You believe on the GOD's punishement?
    dont be silly, of course not.
    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    You believe on the GOD's forgiveness?
    dont be silly, of course not.
    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    You believe on the eternity in Paradise?
    dont be silly, of course not.
    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    Have you imagine for one minute your destiny after your death?
    dont be silly, of course not, dead is dead theres no coming back.
    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    You see people dying everyday in this world, Where they gone?
    nowhere their dead.
    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    Why many people are not happy in this world?
    basically because we have got it together yet, maybe in the future.
    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    Why the strong kill the weak?
    because nearly all religions teach that.
    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    Why some people have no mercy ?
    because nearly all religions teach that.
    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    Did you seen the sky, who made it?
    nobody made it. try again.
    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    Did you seen the stars, who made them?
    nobody made it. try again.
    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    Did you seen, the sun and the moon, who made them?
    nobody made it. try again.
    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    Did you seen th earth who take care of it?
    nobody made it. try again.
    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    Did you seen the seas, the rivers, who control them?
    nobody made it. try again.
    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    Did you seen the human body, how it functions ?
    yes, biology 101, your point.
    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    Who give the order to the heart to live and who give the order to stop?
    biology, your point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    why do i get the feeling that we've been here before ? many times over !
    Yes it does seem to be a reoccurring theme. Hopefully another 'Scientist-to-be' will come along so we can have a discussion which teaches us something rather than all out war .
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    Hmm...our friend Sherif003 seems to have gone silent. Will he be back to attempt to engage in an actual discussion, or did he run when he realized that simply cutting and pasting other people's arguments wasn't going to be sufficient to convert us?
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    no doubt he'll be back with another cut-and-paste dose of islam-is-wonderful pontification - been there, done that, couldn't be bothered with the t-shirt
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
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    Ok, you are all against Islam, because you judge islam from muslims minority.
    Never i defend my RELIGION because it is guilty,
    I have the HONOR, and i thank ALLAH to make me born as a muslim and i will work all my life to let the Words of ISLAM Higher.
    rq: I copy the definition of "ISLAM" word to clear the meaning and it is not a crime to extract text from an article or a dictionnary. Stop!
    --
    I am very happy in my life because I believe in a great reality, that is the way of ALLAH, i feel strong and my life has a meaning because islam give to us the answers about our existence in this earth.
    You say that we talk about slogan, without giving any arguments, these "slogan" as you say, are the words of ALLAH and his Prophet Mohammed PBUH.


    IF ALLAH THE CREATOR, THE KING, THE STRONG, THE FORGIVER, THE ONE, THE FIRST, THE LAST ... WHO CONTROL OUR TIME, WHO KNOW OUR FUTURE, WHO GIVE US FOOD, WHO GIVE US HEALTH, WHO GIVE US ALL WE NEED IN THIS LIFE.
    IF HE APPEARS TO THE HUMANITY, NORMALLY AND LOGICALLY ALL THE PEOPLE BELIEF BY FORCE BECAUSE IT'S AN ARGUMENT OF HIS EXISTANT WHICH NOBODY CAN RUN AWAY FROM IT.

    "In our Quran, when ALLAH talk with MOÎSE, he say to his prophet you can't see me because you are weak, you can not resist to the light of my majesty but look at the moutain i will appear to it. and when he appears to the moutain it fall down"

    Infact, rationnally if a GOD appears then all the myster and all the exams and all the tests has no more meaning because no one can deny his existence and run away from his punishement.

    That's why, ALLAH, the only one GOD, has made this life as an exam, and it's normally there will be successful people and unsuccessful one in an exam.
    The believers will pass and go to his GARDEN and HIS PARADISE.
    The unbelievers will fail and go to his fire and his punishment.
    ************************************************** ***********
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    in conclusion, ;

    And, for example, X and Y are two people ; X is A BELIEF and Y is UNBELIEF.

    So X think that there is result and fruit of our act after death, and there is ALLAH, ANGELS, PROPHETS, PARADISE, HELL, ETERNITY..

    And Y think that after death there is nothing, we die and became skeloton in sand and stop the way.

    there will be 2 scenarios :

    Before that let us be ok about a point that: WHEN A HUMAN DIE HE TAKES NOTHING WITH HIM , NONE THINGS WHICH HAS ENJOYED WITH IN HIS LIFE WILL BE WITH HIM IN HIS GRAVE.
    So; it's Ok about that ; so:
    Scenario 1 : let us suppose that there is no life and nothing after death.

    X has nothing to lose, in spite of he limits his enjoying and he practice a religion and believes in life after death.
    So he has nothing to lose if his conviction become false at the end because he will be like Y belief a skeleton and no more.

    And Y has nothing to win, as i say before because he thinks that death is the end, so he has nothing take with him to the death ; non money, no girls, no wine, no everything of this life ....etc...

    --
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    Scenario 2 : let us suppose that there is life after death and there is paradise and hell and punishment and there is GOD

    X who believed on all that in his life, he certainly be thanked and win the paradise and the love of his GOD as he think in his life. So X Will WIN AND WILL BE ETERNELY IN ENJOYMENT.

    But, Y Will be a big loser and a big failor and a big stupid and a big blind when he will be asked about his life, he found himself in torture and fire and hell and darkness.

    So, Mr, RATIONNALY and LOGICALLY and INTELLIGENTLY AND CAREFULLY WHICH OPINION WILL BE SAFE IN THE TWO SCENARIOS.

    I, objectively, say it's X because he has nothing to lose but ALL to WIn according to the 2 scenarios.

    So my friends, I invite you sincerely to discover the islam which is the ultime religion sent to the earth and the general one and the successufl one and the happiest one.
    open your heart, your mind, accept to listen, perhaps it's for you a chance which ALLAH sent to you to avoid his painful punishment .
    Try to not be impulsif in your thought.
    take your time, in all case you will lose nothing, on the contrary you will be a big winner.
    I love humanity and I hope that they found the right way to the PARADISE : ALFIRDAOUSS.

    I love you all, please take your time to think about ISLAM,

    ISLAM is only a practice to unify GOD winch is ALLAH
    ISLAM is peaceful
    ISLAM is the safe religion
    You all, members of thescienceforum, I love you all and I hope you will be in paradise after you embracing the ISLAm and become beliver.

    thank you for all Your replies.

    For Who Wants begin to learn about ISLAM these are gifts to you :


    !!! please, Excuse my english !!!

    http://www.sultan.org/
    http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/
    http://www.submission.org/miracle/
    http://www.islamicmedicine.org/amazing.htm
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    http://www.55a.net/firas/english/
    http://www.quranmiracles.com/
    http://www.quran-miracle.info/
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
    http://www.beconvinced.com/en/main.php
    http://www.al-islam.com/articles/articles-e.asp
    http://www.dislam.org/
    http://islam.about.com/od/basicbelie...ic_Beliefs.htm
    http://www.islamfortoday.com/beliefs.htm
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    http://www.glink.net.hk/~hkiya/islam.html
    http://quranicverse99.tripod.com/pathtoparadise/
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    Pascal's wager... Stupid argument really...

    If your God judge a good human being to eternal hellfire just because he didn't believe, then your God is selfishly evil. Fear shouldn't be a reason to believe in something.

    Can a God who does such things be omnibenevolent?

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    AN EXPLANATION OF THE PERFECT NAMES AND ATTRIBUTES OF ALLAH
    "He is Allah, the Creator, the Originator, The Fashioner, to Him belong the most beautiful names: whatever is in the heavens and on earth, do declare His praises and glory. And He is the Exalted in Might, The Wise. (Quran 59:24)

    "The most beautiful names belong to God: so call on Him by them;..." (7:180)

    It is not possible to perfectly translate the names and attributes of Allah from their original Arabic into English. However, here are some fairly close explanations.

    ^= letter ain of arabic '= letter hamza of arabic


    Allah
    Allah, He who has the Godhood which is the power to create the entities.

    Ar-Rahmaan
    The Compassionate, The Beneficient, The One who has plenty of mercy for the believers and the blasphemers in this world and especially for the believers in the hereafter.

    Ar-Raheem
    The Merciful, The One who has plenty of mercy for the believers.

    Al-Malik
    The King, The Sovereign Lord, The One with the complete Dominion, the One Whose Dominion is clear from imperfection.

    Al-Quddoos
    The Holy, The One who is pure from any imperfection and clear from children and adversaries.

    As-Salaam
    The Source of Peace, The One who is free from every imperfection.

    Al-Mu'min
    Guardian of Faith, The One who witnessed for Himself that no one is God but Him. And He witnessed for His believers that they are truthful in their belief that no one is God but Him.

    Al-Muhaimin
    The Protector, The One who witnesses the saying and deeds of His creatures.

    Al-^Azeez
    The Mighty, The Strong, The Defeater who is not defeated.

    Al-Jabbaar
    The Compeller, The One that nothing happens in His Dominion except that which He willed.

    Al-Mutakabbir
    The Majestic, The One who is clear from the attributes of the creatures and from resembling them.

    Al-Khaaliq
    The Creator, The One who brings everything from non-existence to existence.

    Al-Bari'
    The Evolver, The Maker, The Creator who has the Power to turn the entities.

    Al-Musawwir
    The Fashioner, The One who forms His creatures in different pictures.

    Al-Ghaffaar
    The Great Forgiver, The Forgiver, The One who forgives the sins of His slaves time and time again.

    Al-Qahhaar
    The Subduer, The Dominant, The One who has the perfect Power and is not unable over anything.

    Al-Wahhaab
    The Bestower, The One who is Generous in giving plenty without any return. He is everything that benefits whether Halal or Haram.

    Al-Razzaaq
    The Sustainer, The Provider.

    Al-Fattaah
    The Opener, The Reliever, The Judge, The One who opens for His slaves the closed worldy and religious matters.

    Al-^Aleem
    The All-knowing, The Knowledgeable; The One nothing is absent from His knowledge.

    Al-Qaabid
    The Constricter, The Retainer, The Withholder, The One who constricts the sustenance by His wisdomand expands and widens it with His Generosity and Mercy.

    Al-Baasit
    The Expander, The Englarger, The One who constricts the sustenance by His wisdomand expands and widens it with His Generosity and Mercy.

    Al-Khaafid
    The Abaser, The One who lowers whoever He willed by His Destruction and raises whoever He willed by His Endowment.

    Ar-Raafi^
    The Exalter, The Elevator, The One who lowers whoever He willed by His Destruction and raises whoever He willed by His Endowment.

    Al-Mu^iz
    The Honorer, He gives esteem to whoever He willed, hence there is no one to degrade Him; And He degrades whoever He willed, hence there is no one to give Him esteem.

    Al-Muthil
    The Dishonorer, The Humiliator, He gives esteem to whoever He willed, hence there is no one to degrade Him; And He degrades whoever He willed, hence there is no one to give Him esteem.

    As-Samee^
    The All-Hearing, The Hearer, The One who Hears all things that are heard by His Eternal Hearing without an ear, instrument or organ.

    Al-Baseer
    The All-Seeing, The One who Sees all things that are seen by His Eternal Seeing without a pupil or any other instrument.

    Al-Hakam
    The Judge, He is the Ruler and His judgment is His Word.

    Al-^Adl
    The Just, The One who is entitled to do what He does.

    Al-Lateef
    The Subtle One, The Gracious, The One who is kind to His slaves and endows upon them.

    Al-Khabeer
    The Aware, The One who knows the truth of things.

    Al-Haleem
    The Forebearing, The Clement, The One who delays the punishment for those who deserve it and then He might forgive them.

    Al-^Azeem
    The Great One, The Mighty, The One deserving the attributes of Exaltment, Glory, Extolement,and Purity from all imperfection.

    Al-Ghafoor
    The All-Forgiving, The Forgiving, The One who forgives a lot.

    Ash-Shakoor
    The Grateful, The Appreciative, The One who gives a lot of reward for a little obedience.

    Al-^Aliyy
    The Most High, The Sublime, The One who is clear from the attributes of the creatures.

    Al-Kabeer
    The Most Great, The Great, The One who is greater than everything in status.

    Al-Hafeez
    The Preserver, The Protector, The One who protects whatever and whoever He willed to protect.

    Al-Muqeet
    The Maintainer, The Guardian, The Feeder, The Sustainer, The One who has the Power.

    Al-Haseeb
    The Reckoner, The One who gives the satisfaction.

    Aj-Jaleel
    The Sublime One, The Beneficent, The One who is attributed with greatness of Power and Glory of status.

    Al-Kareem
    The Generous One, The Bountiful, The Gracious, The One who is attributed with greatness of Power and Glory of status.

    Ar-Raqeeb
    The Watcher, The Watchful, The One that nothing is absent from Him. Hence it's meaning is related to the attribute of Knowledge.

    Al-Mujeeb
    The Responsive, The Hearkener, The One who answers the one in need if he asks Him and rescues the yearner if he calls upon Him.

    Al-Wasi^
    The Vast, The All-Embracing, The Knowledgeable.

    Al-Hakeem
    The Wise, The Judge of Judges, The One who is correct in His doings.

    Al-Wadood
    The Loving, The One who loves His believing slaves and His believing slaves love Him. His love to His slaves is His Will to be merciful to them and praise them:Hence it's meaning is related to the attributes of the Will and Kalam (His attribute with which He orders and forbids and spoke to Muhammad and Musa -peace be upon them- . It is not a sound nor a language nor a letter.).

    Al-Majeed
    The Most Glorious One, The Glorious, The One who is with perfect Power, High Status, Compassion, Generosity and Kindness.

    Al-Ba^ith
    The Reserrector, The Raiser (from death), The One who resurrects His slaves after death for reward and/or punishment.

    Ash-Shaheed
    The Witness, The One who nothing is absent from Him.

    Al-Haqq
    The Truth, The True, The One who truly exists.

    Al-Wakeel
    The Trustee, The One who gives the satisfaction and is relied upon.

    Al-Qawiyy
    The Most Strong, The Strong, The One with the complete Power.

    Al-Mateen
    The Firm One, The One with extreme Power which is un-interrupted and He does not get tired.

    Al-Waliyy
    The Protecting Friend, The Supporter.

    Al-Hameed
    The Praiseworthy, The praised One who deserves to be praised.

    Al-Muhsee
    The Counter, The Reckoner, The One who the count of things are known to him.

    Al-Mubdi'
    The Originator, The One who started the human being. That is, He created him.

    Al-Mu^eed
    The Reproducer, The One who brings back the creatures after death.

    Al-Muhyi
    The Restorer, The Giver of Life, The One who took out a living human from semen that does not have a soul. He gives life by giving the souls back to the worn out bodies on the resurrection day and He makes the hearts alive by the light of knowledge.

    Al-Mumeet
    The Creator of Death, The Destroyer, The One who renders the living dead.

    Al-Hayy
    The Alive, The One attributed with a life that is unlike our life and is not that of a combination of soul, flesh or blood.

    Al-Qayyoom
    The Self-Subsisting, The One who remains and does not end.

    Al-Waajid
    The Perceiver, The Finder, The Rich who is never poor. Al-Wajd is Richness.

    Al-Waahid
    The Unique, The One, The One without a partner.

    Al-Ahad
    The One.

    As-Samad
    The Eternal, The Independent, The Master who is relied upon in matters and reverted to in ones needs.

    Al-Qaadir
    The Able, The Capable, The One attributed with Power.

    Al-Muqtadir
    The Powerful, The Dominant, The One with the perfect Power that nothing is withheld from Him.

    Al-Muqaddim
    The Expediter, The Promoter, The One who puts things in their right places. He makes ahead what He wills and delays what He wills.

    Al-Mu'akh-khir
    The Delayer, the Retarder, The One who puts things in their right places. He makes ahead what He wills and delays what He wills.

    Al-'Awwal
    The First, The One whose Existence is without a beginning.

    Al-'Akhir
    The Last, The One whose Existence is without an end.

    Az-Zaahir
    The Manifest, The One that nothing is above Him and nothing is underneath Him, hence He exists without a place. He, The Exalted, His Existence is obvious by proofs and He is clear from the delusions of attributes of bodies.

    Al-Baatin
    The Hidden, The One that nothing is above Him and nothing is underneath Him, hence He exists without a place. He, The Exalted, His Existence is obvious by proofs and He is clear from the delusions of attributes of bodies.

    Al-Walee
    The Governor, The One who owns things and manages them.

    Al-Muta^ali
    The Most Exalted, The High Exalted, The One who is clear from the attributes of the creation.

    Al-Barr
    The Source of All Goodness, The Righteous, The One who is kind to His creatures, who covered them with His sustenance and specified whoever He willed among them by His support, protection, and special mercy.

    At-Tawwaab
    The Acceptor of Repentance, The Relenting, The One who grants repentance to whoever He willed among His creatures and accepts his repentance.

    Al-Muntaqim
    The Avenger, The One who victoriously prevails over His enemies and punishes them for their sins. It may mean the One who destroys them.

    Al-^Afuww
    The Pardoner, The Forgiver, The One with wide forgiveness.

    Ar-Ra'uf
    The Compassionate, The One with extreme Mercy. The Mercy of Allah is His will to endow upon whoever He willed among His creatures.

    Malik Al-Mulk
    The Eternal Owner of Sovereignty, The One who controls the Dominion and gives dominion to whoever He willed.

    Thul-Jalali wal-Ikram
    The Lord of Majesty and Bounty, The One who deserves to be Exalted and not denied.

    Al-Muqsit
    The Equitable, The One who is Just in His judgment.

    Aj-Jaami^
    The Gatherer, The One who gathers the creatures on a day that there is no doubt about, that is the Day of Judgment.

    Al-Ghaniyy
    The Self-Sufficient, The One who does not need the creation.

    Al-Mughni
    The Enricher, The One who satisfies the necessities of the creatures.

    Al-Maani^
    The Preventer, The Withholder.

    Ad-Daarr
    The Distresser, The One who makes harm reach to whoever He willed and benefit to whoever He willed.

    An-Nafi^
    The Propitious, The One who makes harm reach to whoever He willed and benefit to whoever He willed.

    An-Noor
    The Light, The One who guides.

    Al-Haadi
    The Guide, The One whom with His Guidance His belivers were guided, and with His Guidance the living beings have been guided to what is beneficial for them and protected from what is harmful to them.

    Al-Badi^
    The Incomparable, The One who created the creation and formed it without any preceding example.

    Al-Baaqi
    The Everlasting, The One that the state of non-existence is impossible for Him.

    Al-Waarith
    The Supreme Inheritor, The Heir, The One whose Existence remains.

    Ar-Rasheed
    The Guide to the Right Path, The One who guides.

    As-Saboor
    The Patient, The One who does not quickly punish the sinners.



    "...There is nothing whatever like unto Him, and He is the One that hears and sees (all things). Qur'an [42:11]
    (Arabic transliteration: Laysa Kamithlihi Shayun Wa Huwa As-Sami' ul-Basir)
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    Can I ask a question? Is your God omnipotent (all-powerful)?
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    Sherif, a couple more questions for you after Obviously's one.

    1) It seems to me that there is an overwhelming desire for Muslims to turn everybody else into Muslims, why is that ?

    2) Isn't it a crime under Islam to ask others to convert from their own religion to another one ?

    3) In your best guess, what percentage of the world will be Muslim by the end of this century ? (It's currently 22% est)

    4) If a person does no harm in his life and only helps others but is not a Muslim, will he go to paradise or hell ?

    5) Why did any of us bother filling out the questionnaire in the opening post ?

    Edit, one more - 6) What is Islam's view on contraceptives ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obviously
    Pascal's wager... Stupid argument really...

    If your God judge a good human being to eternal hellfire just because he didn't believe, then your God is selfishly evil. Fear shouldn't be a reason to believe in something.

    Can a God who does such things be omnibenevolent?

    That is something to think about.

    Who Give you all you have, it's implicitly you GOD and when you don't believe in HIM and you deny his existence you deserve his eternal hellfire and you are not called a GOOD HUMAN being but an evil and selflish human being,

    In Islam there is FEAR and Encouragement, it's logic like a student when he did something good he will be thanked unles he will be punished.

    Mr, Open your mind please don't be hurry to reply
    I like you all,

    if you want to be encouraged, i can tell you about the enjoyement and the tresors and the eternety life in the paradise.
    iT'S WONDERFUL AND INIMMAGIANBLE PLACE, fanatastic, so we pray Allh not only with fear but with love and thirst to his miercy.

    This ayat in Quran describes the PARADISE :


    Koran 47:15
    Here is a Parable Of the Garden which the righteneous are promised: ...In it are rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; And rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; And grace from their Lord..



    “Say: ‘Shall I tell you of better things than these, with which the righteous shall be rewarded by their Lord? Gardens watered by running streams, where they shall dwell for ever: spouses of perfect chastity and grace from God.’” (Sura 3:14-15)

    “As for those that fear their Lord, theirs shall be gardens watered by running streams in which they will abide for ever, and a goodly welcome from God.” (Sura 3:198)

    “God has promised the men and women who believe in Him gardens watered by running streams, in which they shall abide for ever: goodly mansions in the gardens of Eden: and, what is more, they shall have grace in God’s sight. That is the supreme triumph.” (Sura 9:72)

    “…those who keep faith with God…shall have the recompense of Paradise. They shall enter the gardens of Eden together with the righteous among their fathers, their spouses, and their descendants. From every gate the angels will come in to them, saying: “Peace be to you for all that you have steadfastly endured. Blessed is the recompense of Paradise.’” (Sura 13:24)



    Surely the men who submit and the women who submit, and the believing men and the believing women, and the obeying men and the obeying women, and the truthful men and the truthful women, and the patient men and the patient women and the humble men and the humble women, and the almsgiving men and the almsgiving women, and the fasting men and the fasting women, and the men who guard their private parts and the women who guard, and the men who remember Allah much and the women who remember -- Allah has prepared for them forgiveness and a mighty reward.Surah 33:35


    Koran 55:47-49
    Containing all kinds of trees and delights.Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?

    Koran 55:52-53
    In them there will be fruits of every kind, two and two. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?

    Koran 55:54-55
    ...The fruit of the gardens will be near and easy to reach. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?

    Koran 55:68-69
    In them will be Fruits, And dates and pomegranates: Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?

    Koran 44:51-55
    ...Secure against all ills, they shall call for every kind of fruit..

    Koran 56:7-40
    They shall recline on jewelled couches face to face, and there shalt wait on them immortal youths with ...fruits of their own choices and flesh of fowls that they relish..

    Koran 76:13-21
    ...Reclining there upon soft couches, they shall feel neither the scorching heat nor the biting cold. Trees will spread their shade around them, and fruits will hang in clusters over them...


    This link is important to see : http://www.wefound.org/texts/Islam_f...ternalLife.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obviously
    Can I ask a question? Is your God omnipotent (all-powerful)?

    YES IT IS !

    MORE THAN YOU IMAGINE!

    IT'S YOUR GOD ALSO, OUR GOD, THE ONE, THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE, WHO HAS NEVER A SON OR WIFE.

    Sura - 112 Absoluteness (Al-Ikhlaas)
    112:0] In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
    [112:1] Proclaim, "He is the One and only GOD.
    [112:2] "The Absolute GOD.
    [112:3] "Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten.
    [112:4] "None equals Him."


    *******************************************
    2:28] How can you disbelieve in GOD when you were dead and He gave you life, then He puts you to death, then He brings you back to life, then to Him you ultimately return? *******************************************

    Sura - 55 Most Gracious (Al-Rahmaan)
    55:0] In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
    [55:1] The Most Gracious.
    [55:2] Teacher of the Quran.
    [55:3] Creator of the human beings.
    [55:4] He taught them how to distinguish.
    [55:5] The sun and the moon are perfectly calculated.
    [55:6] The stars and the trees prostrate.
    [55:7] He constructed the sky and established the law.
    [55:8] You shall not transgress the law.
    [55:9] You shall establish justice; do not violate the law.
    [55:10] He created the earth for all creatures.
    [55:11] In it there are fruits, and date palms with their hanging fruit.
    [55:12] Also grains and the spices.

    **************************************************

    And more and more if you want to Know ALLAH.

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    Does it really specify the men who guard the private parts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by From the link
    The Good Signs of Death:
    1. Dying saying “La Ilah Illa Allah” will automatically enter one Paradise.
    2. Dying on a Friday “Whoever dies on a Friday, Allah prevents him from the grave trial” (Ahmed and Turmithi)
    3. Dying in Jihad, which also includes dying guarding soldiers fighting for Allah’s cause
    4. Dying giving Da’wah (guiding) to the rulers.
    5. Dying defending one’s money, women or oneself.
    6. Dying in child birth.
    7. Dying with a plague.
    8. Reading Surah Tabarak would ease the grave trial.
    I think..........i'm going.......to go for........ number 2. Friday, paradise awaits.
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    Perhaps next time we should start by telling them that we are already Muslims, Allah is great, piss be upon him, blah blah blah.
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    Ar-Rahmaan
    The Compassionate, The Beneficient, The One who has plenty of mercy for the believers and the blasphemers in this world and especially for the believers in the hereafter.

    Ar-Raheem
    The Merciful, The One who has plenty of mercy for the believers.

    Al-Malik
    The King, The Sovereign Lord, The One with the complete Dominion, the One Whose Dominion is clear from imperfection.

    Al-Quddoos
    The Holy, The One who is pure from any imperfection and clear from children and adversaries.

    ...

    Al-Waarith
    The Supreme Inheritor, The Heir, The One whose Existence remains.

    Ar-Rasheed
    The Guide to the Right Path, The One who guides.

    As-Saboor
    The Patient, The One who does not quickly punish the sinners.
    why on earth would a listing of allah's other names have any relevance to a non-believer ? come to think of it, why would any recitation of any holy book have any relevance ? YOU may get a buzz out of it, i certainly don't
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    Why the hell does every verse seem to shout compassion and mercy, when so much hate and irrelevant vengeance comes from this toilet paper nowadays?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    Quote Originally Posted by Obviously
    Can I ask a question? Is your God omnipotent (all-powerful)?

    YES IT IS !

    MORE THAN YOU IMAGINE!

    IT'S YOUR GOD ALSO, OUR GOD, THE ONE, THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE, WHO HAS NEVER A SON OR WIFE.

    Sura - 112 Absoluteness (Al-Ikhlaas)
    112:0] In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
    [112:1] Proclaim, "He is the One and only GOD.
    [112:2] "The Absolute GOD.
    [112:3] "Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten.
    [112:4] "None equals Him."


    *******************************************
    2:28] How can you disbelieve in GOD when you were dead and He gave you life, then He puts you to death, then He brings you back to life, then to Him you ultimately return? *******************************************

    Sura - 55 Most Gracious (Al-Rahmaan)
    55:0] In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
    [55:1] The Most Gracious.
    [55:2] Teacher of the Quran.
    [55:3] Creator of the human beings.
    [55:4] He taught them how to distinguish.
    [55:5] The sun and the moon are perfectly calculated.
    [55:6] The stars and the trees prostrate.
    [55:7] He constructed the sky and established the law.
    [55:8] You shall not transgress the law.
    [55:9] You shall establish justice; do not violate the law.
    [55:10] He created the earth for all creatures.
    [55:11] In it there are fruits, and date palms with their hanging fruit.
    [55:12] Also grains and the spices.

    **************************************************

    And more and more if you want to Know ALLAH.

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    Sura - 55 Most Gracious (Al-Rahmaan)
    55:0] In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
    [55:1] The Most Gracious.
    [55:2] Teacher of the Quran.
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    You, Rational men, Atheist, Diesbeliever, All who denied the existence of GOD;
    I will repeat for You this demonstration which I describe before.
    Please, check it, you can also build an algorithm to resolve this matter, and find the optimal solution.

    X, Y : Two people of our world.
    Hypothesis: All humanity are ok about that death exist and no one will eternal in this life.

    X believe in the life after death, so he think that he will be judged on his act and behaviour in this life, also he belief that there are two ways (PARADISE as reward & HELLFIRE as punishement).

    Y believe in what he see, he is a materialistic one, he thinks that when men die he becomes sqeleton and go to sand and no others life there will be after death, he denies the existence of GOD and his punishement and his reward.


    It will be two scenarios or two probabilities not three in this matter:

    One of them X or Y is wrong about his philosophy.

    Scenario 1 :
    X is wrong and Y is right
    So when men dies it will happen nothing to him just become sqeleton and finished the story.

    in this scenario:

    -- > Y has nothing Win, just he lived and enjoyed as he likes and died and hasn't taken nothing with him of this matter world.

    -- > X has nothing lose, just he believed in a concept, and he lived and enjoyed with little limits as her religion or tell to him and then died and he found nothing of what he believes in his life.

    Scenario 2 :
    Y is wrong and X is right
    So when men dies, he will be asked on his behaviour and act in this life which was as an exam to him and will go to the eternal enjoyement in paradise as a reward or in a hellfire as a punishement for his life of sin which has lived.

    in this scenario:

    --> X has many things to win for eternety not for 60 or 70 or 90 years
    he will win the mercy of Allah, his paradise with every things he wants. He worths it because he was hard worker in his life for a big target which is ALLAH forgiveness.

    --> Y loses and loses and loses and he will be in the hellfire for a long time that Only GOD know how long will be. It’s miserable Y, he will be torture because he has chosen in his life to deny and disobey his Own CREATOR, his GOD, the GREATEST one, The merciful.
    So, MY QUESTION IS WHICH ONE HIS IN SAFETY IN BOTH SCENARIO?
    WHICH ONE YOU WILL BE LIKE?
    I GIVE YOU THE ARGUMENTS AND YOU ARE FREE TO THINK WHAT YOU THINK

    I JUST EXPLAIN MY BELIEF. I AM WORKING TO BE LIKE THE “X” ONE. INCHALLAH.

    ISLAM IS PEACE
    ISLAM IS LIFE
    ISLAM IS HAPPINESS
    ISLAM IS THE RIGHT WAY
    ISLAM IS THE BEST.


    I AM NOT ATTENDING YOUR JUDGE ABOUT ME

    THINK ABOUT YOUR SELF

    ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE ME
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    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    ISLAM IS PEACE
    I see evidence to the contrary
    ISLAM IS LIFE
    Well OK, Muslims do live.
    ISLAM IS HAPPINESS
    I see evidence to the contrary.
    ISLAM IS THE RIGHT WAY
    I see evidence to the contrary.
    ISLAM IS THE BEST.
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    Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, were not going to depart (from their ways) until there should come to them Clear Evidence,-

    2. An apostle from Allah, rehearsing scriptures kept pure and holy:

    3. Wherein are laws (or decrees) right and straight.

    4. Nor did the People of the Book make schisms, until after there came to them Clear Evidence.

    5. And they have been commanded no more than this: To worship Allah, offering Him sincere devotion, being true (in faith); to establish regular prayer; and to practise regular charity; and that is the Religion Right and Straight.

    6. Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures.

    7. Those who have faith and do righteous deeds,- they are the best of creatures.

    8. Their reward is with Allah. Gardens of Eternity, beneath which rivers flow; they will dwell therein for ever; Allah well pleased with them, and they with Him: all this for such as fear their Lord and Cherisher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, were not going to depart (from their ways) until there should come to them Clear Evidence,-

    2. An apostle from Allah, rehearsing scriptures kept pure and holy:

    3. Wherein are laws (or decrees) right and straight.

    4. Nor did the People of the Book make schisms, until after there came to them Clear Evidence.

    5. And they have been commanded no more than this: To worship Allah, offering Him sincere devotion, being true (in faith); to establish regular prayer; and to practise regular charity; and that is the Religion Right and Straight.

    6. Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures.

    7. Those who have faith and do righteous deeds,- they are the best of creatures.

    8. Their reward is with Allah. Gardens of Eternity, beneath which rivers flow; they will dwell therein for ever; Allah well pleased with them, and they with Him: all this for such as fear their Lord and Cherisher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostofMaxwell
    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    ISLAM IS PEACE
    I see evidence to the contrary
    ISLAM IS LIFE
    Well OK, Muslims do live.
    ISLAM IS HAPPINESS
    I see evidence to the contrary.
    ISLAM IS THE RIGHT WAY
    I see evidence to the contrary.
    ISLAM IS THE BEST.
    Tottenham hotspur at home on a sunny afternoon is the best!!!
    WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ABOUT THE X AND Y people?

    WHO is the intelligent in your view?
    Pleas, try to discuss not to say words with no sense

    Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    Quote Originally Posted by GhostofMaxwell
    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    ISLAM IS PEACE
    I see evidence to the contrary
    ISLAM IS LIFE
    Well OK, Muslims do live.
    ISLAM IS HAPPINESS
    I see evidence to the contrary.
    ISLAM IS THE RIGHT WAY
    I see evidence to the contrary.
    ISLAM IS THE BEST.
    Tottenham hotspur at home on a sunny afternoon is the best!!!
    WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ABOUT THE X AND Y people?

    WHO is the intelligent in your view?
    Pleas, try to discuss not to say words with no sense

    Thank you.
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    Why you can't discuss and give any arguments about your thoughts.

    You're armless, you have no proof about what you say.

    I have mercy on you,

    If you are objectif and rationnal, you will be able to discuss.

    There are many and thousands, or millions of people of your countries whose embraced ISLAM, you haven't ask your selves WHY YOUR BROTHER or YOUR NEIGHBOUR or YOUR FRIEND , etc embraced ISLAM

    Many scientist of your homeland has embraced islam, and i has proof.

    Certainly, they have seen what you in your heart wants to hide him, the light of the truth :That ALLAH is the one and we will return to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    You, Rational men, Atheist, Diesbeliever, All who denied the existence of GOD;
    I will repeat for You this demonstration which I describe before.
    Please, check it, you can also build an algorithm to resolve this matter, and find the optimal solution.

    X, Y : Two people of our world.
    Hypothesis: All humanity are ok about that death exist and no one will eternal in this life.

    X believe in the life after death, so he think that he will be judged on his act and behaviour in this life, also he belief that there are two ways (PARADISE as reward & HELLFIRE as punishement).

    Y believe in what he see, he is a materialistic one, he thinks that when men die he becomes sqeleton and go to sand and no others life there will be after death, he denies the existence of GOD and his punishement and his reward.


    It will be two scenarios or two probabilities not three in this matter:

    One of them X or Y is wrong about his philosophy.

    Scenario 1 :
    X is wrong and Y is right
    So when men dies it will happen nothing to him just become sqeleton and finished the story.

    in this scenario:

    -- > Y has nothing Win, just he lived and enjoyed as he likes and died and hasn't taken nothing with him of this matter world.

    -- > X has nothing lose, just he believed in a concept, and he lived and enjoyed with little limits as her religion or tell to him and then died and he found nothing of what he believes in his life.

    Scenario 2 :
    Y is wrong and X is right
    So when men dies, he will be asked on his behaviour and act in this life which was as an exam to him and will go to the eternal enjoyement in paradise as a reward or in a hellfire as a punishement for his life of sin which has lived.

    in this scenario:

    --> X has many things to win for eternety not for 60 or 70 or 90 years
    he will win the mercy of Allah, his paradise with every things he wants. He worths it because he was hard worker in his life for a big target which is ALLAH forgiveness.

    --> Y loses and loses and loses and he will be in the hellfire for a long time that Only GOD know how long will be. It’s miserable Y, he will be torture because he has chosen in his life to deny and disobey his Own CREATOR, his GOD, the GREATEST one, The merciful.
    So, MY QUESTION IS WHICH ONE HIS IN SAFETY IN BOTH SCENARIO?
    WHICH ONE YOU WILL BE LIKE?
    I GIVE YOU THE ARGUMENTS AND YOU ARE FREE TO THINK WHAT YOU THINK

    I JUST EXPLAIN MY BELIEF. I AM WORKING TO BE LIKE THE “X” ONE. INCHALLAH.

    ISLAM IS PEACE
    ISLAM IS LIFE
    ISLAM IS HAPPINESS
    ISLAM IS THE RIGHT WAY
    ISLAM IS THE BEST.


    I AM NOT ATTENDING YOUR JUDGE ABOUT ME

    THINK ABOUT YOUR SELF

    ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE ME
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    If a man who has done nothing but good in his life dies in disbelief and is cast down to eternal hellfire, then your God is EVIL. Don't try and justify it with "he denied God, so he must be punished." Your God would still be doing an act of evil, casting this poor man down to eternal hellfire when he doesn't deserve it.
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    sheriff, your scenario of X and Y has already been discussed ad nauseam in many a book

    in essence what you're saying is that people better believe in god just in case he exists because if they don't and he does then they're in deep shit

    it's called hedging your bets, and it's basically moral cowardice

    i say : be proud of what you believe (or don't, as the case may be) and damn the consequences
    i for one will not pretend to believe when i don't just to avoid eternal damnation
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
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    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    You, Rational men, Atheist, Diesbeliever, All who denied the existence of GOD;
    I will repeat for You this demonstration which I describe before.
    Please, check it, you can also build an algorithm to resolve this matter, and find the optimal solution.
    This has been addressed many times before. You do have something to lose if you believe in a religion that turns out to be false; your one chance to live a life free of needless superstition and arbitrary rules.

    Also, even if we bought your argument it’s not like we can all just start believing in something that seems irrational and unsupported by evidence. I mean, could you really just say to yourself “Today I think I’ll believe in Y!” and then start doing it? Aren’t your beliefs forced on you by reason and evidence? If they aren’t, then I pity you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    Why you can't discuss and give any arguments about your thoughts.

    You're armless, you have no proof about what you say.

    I have mercy on you,

    If you are objectif and rationnal, you will be able to discuss.

    There are many and thousands, or millions of people of your countries whose embraced ISLAM, you haven't ask your selves WHY YOUR BROTHER or YOUR NEIGHBOUR or YOUR FRIEND , etc embraced ISLAM

    Many scientist of your homeland has embraced islam, and i has proof.

    Certainly, they have seen what you in your heart wants to hide him, the light of the truth :That ALLAH is the one and we will return to him.

    --------------****-------------****-------------------****--------------------
    : Give yourself a chance.

    ISLAM IS NOT TERRORIST
    I have no mercy for you either, thats why I think you should fuck off out of my country if you think England is so bad! But you wont will you? because the same people you hate are your meal ticket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obviously
    Can an omnipotent God create a rock which he cannot lift?
    By christian theology yes he can. God in three parts is the trinity. One God three parts. There are some examples i can give but I won't bog us down with that now. If you want an explanation of the trinity ask in a new thread as our islamic friend would not appreciate the derail.

    Father, Son, Holy spirit. all one God God the Father is omnipotent as are the other 2 parts of God. When Jesus (if you believe he existed again please don't derail) allowed himself to be born a human he had human limitations (even if they were self imposed). He could be hot or cold or tired or anything a normal human could be. He could only lift what his muscles would allow. Hence, God the father who is omnipotent created many rocks that were too heavy for God the son to lift.

    Only a truly omnipotent God can can still do whatever he wants by not allowing himself to do something. More simply put... would he still be omnipotent if he couldn't limit himself if he wanted to?

    Same answer for the could God microwave a burrito so hot he couldn't eat it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obviously
    If a man who has done nothing but good in his life dies in disbelief and is cast down to eternal hellfire, then your God is EVIL. Don't try and justify it with "he denied God, so he must be punished." Your God would still be doing an act of evil, casting this poor man down to eternal hellfire when he doesn't deserve it.


    Again according to christian theology there is only one person in the world that has "done nothing but good in his life" and died. That was Jesus and that is why his sacrifice is the only one able to cover our sins.

    Because God is so holy he will not allow himself to be in the presence of even a single sin. God isn't evil because he has a very high standard. He is holy and merciful becuase he gave us a way to be forgiven in the sacrifice of his only son Jesus. According to Christian Theology anyone who beleives that Jesus is the Son of God, died for your sins, in your place, and is risen again will be born again.

    If you want to discuss the state of christianity and why its so messed up start a new thread and I'll chime in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostofMaxwell
    Tottenham hotspur at home on a sunny afternoon is the best!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    Pleas, try to discuss not to say words with no sense
    I do agree with you there Sherif.

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    Your X and Y argument doesn't make a lot of sense, there are many religions in the world with many different gods, pick the wrong god and you will still go to hell, so your X and Y or toss of the coin doesn't mean a great deal. A roll of a dice is more realistic, and even then who are you to say that number 4 is the correct number to pick, when the rest of us have made are own choice in picking 5 or 3 etc. And lets face facts here, the only reason you have chosen number 3 is because you are born into it, try and chose a different number in some Islamic country's and you will be stoned to death quicker than you can say "Are there any women here?".

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    Sherif i was kind enough to answer your questions, are you going to answer mine ? (Page Two)

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    I have no mercy for you either, thats why I think you should fuck off out of my country if you think England is so bad! But you wont will you? because the same people you hate are your meal ticket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    Sherif, a couple more questions for you after Obviously's one.

    1) It seems to me that there is an overwhelming desire for Muslims to turn everybody else into Muslims, why is that ?

    My friend, We, muslims, have a duty and a message to communicate to the humanity, which was given to us by Muhammed the prophet of ALLAH in the Holy QURAN.

    We never oblige people to embrace islam,
    Because religion depends on faith, and no one can turn a man to muslim without faith, like nobody can buy love.

    there be no compulsion in religion,

    Infact, we will continue to pass the truth and the message to Humanity, that WE SHOULD BE GOOD SLAVE TO OUR MAKER, OUR REFUGE, OUR GOD, THE KING, THE GLORY and obey HIS ORDER AND LAW IN LIFE TO WIN HIS PARADISE IN THE OTHER LIFE.

    All that, without regarding results, because everyone he will be asked on his behaviour.

    Everyone gets every good that it earns, and it suffers every ill that it earns : You are Major and vaccinated and you are responsible of your thought.

    SO, ISLAM IS A RELIGION WHICH IS GROWING BY CONVINCING PEOPLE


    2) Isn't it a crime under Islam to ask others to convert from their own religion to another one ?

    My friend, as I tell you before, there be no compulsion in religion,
    Islam is the right religion and the rescue in this life.

    To convert from other "religion" or thought to ISLAM is "Alhidaya" and THE HAPPINESS, AND THE SUCCESS to the one who has embraced ISLAM.

    HE GOES FROM DARKNESS TO THE LIGHT.

    BUT, in the other sense, if a person convert from islam to another "religion", he lost the way and he will be failed, and he has committed a crime as you say

    FROM LIGHT --> DARKNESS : This man is poor and he will be in hellfire.


    As says in teh quran, surat Al Imran
    85. If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost.

    3) In your best guess, what percentage of the world will be Muslim by the end of this century ? (It's currently 22% est)

    My friend, good question, I will give you some official statistics :

    Comparative chart - number of Muslims to Christians:

    Christian Muslim
    1900 world population 26.9% 12.4%
    1980 world population 30% 16.5%
    2000 world population 29.9% 19.2%
    2025 world population (PROJECTED) 25% 30%

    We are already in 2007 at 29.9 % as describe this statistic in the link below :
    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/re...centage-muslim

    So at 2025 we will be more than 30% as projected,
    Islam growth fastly about 0.6 % per year
    So, At the end of the century, il wil be more than 50 % of mislims in the world.

    Many people are converting to islam;

    4000 people was converted in GERMAN between 2004 and 2005
    More than 20 000 person embrace islam in the US.


    ISLAM -THE FASTEST GROWING RELIGION IN THE WORLD......DISCOVER WHY?Because Islam is a complete way of life. It tells man about the purpose of his creation and existence, his ultimate destiny, his place among other creatures and more importantly, it provides him with guidance to lead a balanced and purposeful life which will enable him to avoid the Hell-fire and be rewarded with a place in Paradise in the life after death. extract from here http://www.allaahuakbar.net/womens/islam.htm

    The growth rate of Islam, according to the U.S. Center for World Mission, at 2.9% is higher than the 2.6% growth rate of the world's population. Thus, the percentage of Muslims in the world is growing on the order of 0.6% per year.
    Futurist John Gary stated in 1997 that Islam is the fastest-growing of the major world religions. This is driven by the higher birth rates in the third world.
    Barrett & Johnson's estimated in an article in the International Bulletin of Missionary Research that the number of Muslims would grow from 1.22 billion in the year 2000 to 1.89 billion by 2025.
    Author Samuel Huntington predicts that "Muslims in the world will continue to increase dramatically, amounting to 20 percent of the world's population about the turn of the [21st] century, surpassing the number of Christians some years later..."
    Extract from here : http://www.religioustolerance.org/growth_isl_chr.htm

    THERE ARE MANY EXAMPLES OF CONVERTING PEOPLE IN EUROPE OR US AND AROUND THE WORLD; e.g :
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDRASv_mkls

    4) If a person does no harm in his life and only helps others but is not a Muslim, will he go to paradise or hell ?

    My friend, if you make something (Robot or else) by your hand, and this things after you designing him and give all he needs to walk, to touch, to see, etc. this Robot let suppose go away and deny your effort and try to search another maker than you.
    This robot does no harm in his life, but he refuse to be a slave for his owner "that's You".
    And you have all the ability to brake him and to destroy him if you want at any time.

    "lillahi al mathalou alaâla"

    So, exactly, when you live your life as an animal, eating, sex, sleeping without being a slave to the CREATOR, you will be punished because you desobey your MAKER.

    So, this person which you describe has not identify his mission in this world, that is to discover the right way to be under the mercy of his Owner.

    unless, he will be surprised by the consequence of his faults after death.
    When, he will be asked about his behaviour not only with others people but with his MAKER.

    it's good to help others but you should thanks your CREATOR who gives you all you need to accomplish your targets.


    5) Why did any of us bother filling out the questionnaire in the opening post ?

    My friend, I am convinced about what I writing and there are 1.5 billions people who believe on it.
    This number will grow and is growing, You Like or Not.
    So, I have no complex about your question.

    You should ask yourself, why You are against the Idea that there will be A result after finishing this exam's life. So, Everyone he will be interviewed and he can't lie because he is in front of his Owner who knows every things and all things related to You.

    There are 2 ways my Friend,
    Janna :-------> Paradise
    Jahannem :--> Hell

    I hope You understand and try to learn about the Unique GOD, the prophet mohamed, the ISLAM CONCEPT ...



    Edit, one more - 6) What is Islam's view on contraceptives ?

    all forms of birth control are thought to be permissible in Islam. Those that are not accepted include surgical sterilization (unless it is medically necessary), as it is viewed as a form of castration as well as alters the body without need, and the withdrawal method, because it interrupts a womanï؟½s pleasure and prevents a woman from conceiving if that is what she wants. However, the withdrawal method may be used if the woman agrees to it.

    Birth control use may be allowed for various women. Instances when Islam permits the use of contraception include:

    Allowing a woman to rest between pregnancies
    Preventing the transmission of infectious disease, such as an STD
    A womenï؟½s health requires the use of birth control
    A husband cannot financially support more children

    Extract from this source :http://www.epigee.org/guide/islamic.html


    ansd you find here more :
    http://contraception.about.com/od/ad...religion_6.htm

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    GIVE YOURSELF A CHANCE and Answer at this question :

    CAN YOU AVOID DEATH ?

    ARE YOU AT 100% sure THAT THERE WILL BE NO LIFE AFTER DEATH?

    WHAT ARE YOUR ARGUMENTS?

    My friend, try to be honnest with yourself and think for one minute :

    If you are wrong about your philosophy, what is your destiny after dying?

    Please, don't hurry.


    ONLY ALLAH WILL JUDGE ME.

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    Women should do what us men think they should according to how we wake up and feel!

    I particularly like the ninja look these days, so you know what you have to do girls if you dont want to die!

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    ISLAM IS NOT TERRORIST
    To be fair that is true, but so would be the statement: Macdonald's isn't obesity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostofMaxwell
    To be fair that is true, but so would be the statement: Macdonald's isn't obesity.
    And, along those same lines, it's totally unfair to say that smoking causes cancer. I mean, everyone is all down on smoking just because a small percentage of the people who smoke eventually developed lung cancer. What about all the people who smoke who don't get cancer?
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    Yeah. Islam doest mean you will become a terrorist, but reading the Quaran 20 times a day will seriously increase your risk of chest explosion induced heart failure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostofMaxwell

    Only the god of Ath will save me.

    Your GOD that you defend seems unkown for you.
    because you said the god of ath
    Describe us this god.
    Where you have received his laws and religion.

    You are lost, you say words with no arguments, with no meaning, you know that you are blind to the truth.

    Are you redy to die.
    Escape from death, if you can.
    HAHAHA, You can't.
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    BISMILLAH ARRAHMAN ARRAHIM,

    I INVITE YOU TO BE MUSLIM

    BELIEVE ME , BROTHERS

    I WAS LIKE YOU, VERY MATERIALISTIC MAN, BUT WHEN I READ THE QURAN AND FIND SOME EVIDENCE AND SCIENTIFIC MIRACULOUS DISCOVERED IN THE 20th CENTURY, which had been existed 1400 years ago.

    I declared MY SUBMISSION TO THE CREATOR AND THE MERCIFUL, TO ALLAH.

    [b]ALLAH IS THE GREATEST.

    ALLAH AKBAR

    ALLAH AKBAR

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    [quote="sherif003"]
    Quote Originally Posted by GhostofMaxwell

    Only the god of Ath will save me.
    Your GOD that you defend seems unkown for you.
    Yes indeed, he is the quintessential unknown.
    because you said the god of ath
    Yep, he is fresh air, my god is fresh air, I worship fresh air. fresh air will be my reward.
    Describe us this god.
    He is the god of me, he is the god of you. He asks of us nothing.
    Where you have received his laws and religion.
    Hes laws are what ever I wish my laws to be(or yours in fact). Hes laws are my compassion, his laws are my mercy, his laws are my standards and principles.

    You are lost, you say words with no arguments, with no meaning, you know that you are blind to the truth.
    Im lost in music! Im caught in a trap, theres no turning back! Im lost in music!
    Are you redy to die.
    No Im ready to live!
    Escape from death, if you can.
    Thanks , I will remember that diamond advice next time I want to cross a road without giving a bus right of way.
    HAHAHA, You can't.
    OK
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    What evidence are there for your God, sherif003? Or are you giving us false hope?
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    BISMILLAH ARRAHMAN ARRAHIM,

    I INVITE YOU TO BE MUSLIM

    BELIEVE ME , BROTHERS

    I WAS LIKE YOU, VERY MATERIALISTIC MAN, BUT WHEN I READ THE QURAN AND FIND SOME EVIDENCE AND SCIENTIFIC MIRACULOUS DISCOVERED IN THE 20th CENTURY, which had been existed 1400 years ago.

    I declared MY SUBMISSION TO THE CREATOR AND THE MERCIFUL, TO ALLAH.
    So you fell for their attempts at swaying people by lying about supposed "mistakes"? Yeah, then you really are as stupid as your typing shows.

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    Thank you for the reply.

    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    SO, ISLAM IS A RELIGION WHICH IS GROWING BY CONVINCING PEOPLE
    Islam is growing because it is mainly practised in 3rd world and developing country's. If you take out the immigration and high birth rates out of the number of Muslims in country such as Britain, you will find that the numbers are actually falling. It's not that it's convincing people, it's because it's growing people.

    BUT, in the other sense, if a person convert from islam to another "religion", he lost the way and he will be failed, and he has committed a crime as you say.
    Surly every person on gods earth has the right to believe in what they choose, even if it is converting away from Islam. What is the punishment for this crime ?

    THERE ARE MANY EXAMPLES OF CONVERTING PEOPLE IN EUROPE OR US AND AROUND THE WORLD
    There are also many exsamples of muslims converting away from Islam.

    My friend, if you make something (Robot or else) by your hand, and this things after you designing him and give all he needs to walk, to touch, to see, etc. this Robot let suppose go away and deny your effort and try to search another maker than you.
    This robot does no harm in his life, but he refuse to be a slave for his owner "that's You".
    And you have all the ability to brake him and to destroy him if you want at any time.

    "lillahi al mathalou alaâla"

    So, exactly, when you live your life as an animal, eating, sex, sleeping without being a slave to the CREATOR, you will be punished because you desobey your MAKER.

    So, this person which you describe has not identify his mission in this world, that is to discover the right way to be under the mercy of his Owner.

    unless, he will be surprised by the consequence of his faults after death.
    When, he will be asked about his behaviour not only with others people but with his MAKER.

    it's good to help others but you should thanks your CREATOR who gives you all you need to accomplish your targets.
    Well when my dog is disobedient to me i do punish him by not taking him for a walk that day and only letting him out for a quick piss, no playing. I don't whisper some instruction to a paedophile or animal beater, then hide in the flat upstairs. If i came back down latter to find he hadn't behaved himself, i wouldn't then torture him for the rest of is life.

    My friend, I am convinced about what I writing and there are 1.5 billions people who believe on it.
    This number will grow and is growing, You Like or Not.
    So, I have no complex about your question.
    The number of Muslims is debatable, but it is growing, i have no problem with that. I think that there is however, an aggressive attitude to Muslims view of the non-muslim world and a unspoken belief by Muslims that their religion should and will be the religion of all. This is in my opinion a very threatening attitude and one which will only end in tears. Keep threatening even the kindest and timid of person and they will eventually lash out. And thats no good for any of us.

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    Many blacks have turned to Islam simply to reject Christianity which some see as an oppressive white mans religion. What many don't realise is that Islam has it's own dark history involving slaves just like the Christian religion. Some may even argue that this has continued to this day for some women in some Islamic country's.

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    Sherif please stop posting crap. All you are doing is turning people away from Islam, and to be quite frank, it's fucking iratating.
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    Sherif please stop posting crap. All you are doing is turning people away from Islam, and to be quite frank, it's fucking iratating.
    You said a scientific fact, can I worship you? I will make this post my holy book!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)

    Sherif please stop posting crap. All you are doing is turning people away from Islam, and to be quite frank, it's fucking iratating.
    I will never stop to glorify ALLAH.
    I will never stop to invite people to discover islam rules.
    I am a slave of THE CREATOR, of OUR KING, of THE ONE.... of ALLAH.
    And my duty is to pray for HIm and ask his forgiveness to worth his PARADISE.
    So, man, I will NEVER and NEVER STOP.
    :wink:

    Please, in an intellectual discussion, try to be polite and respectful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sherif003
    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)

    Sherif please stop posting crap. All you are doing is turning people away from Islam, and to be quite frank, it's fucking iratating.
    I will never stop to glorify ALLAH.
    I will never stop to invite people to discover islam rules.
    I am a slave of THE CREATOR, of OUR KING, of THE ONE.... of ALLAH.
    And my duty is to pray for HIm and ask his forgiveness to worth his PARADISE.
    So, man, I will NEVER and NEVER STOP.
    :wink:

    Please, in an intellectual discussion, try to be polite and respectful.
    Especially when yourself has been so intellectual and discussant . you are a glorious example to us all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BioHazard
    Sherif please stop posting crap. All you are doing is turning people away from Islam, and to be quite frank, it's fucking iratating.
    You said a scientific fact, can I worship you? I will make this post my holy book!

    HAHAHA,
    Be careful man, It will send You to HELL FIRE for eternity if you follow him.

    Think about yourself.

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    047.012 Lo! Allah will cause those who believe and do good works to enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; while those who disbelieve take their comfort in this life and eat even as the cattle eat, and the Fire is their habitation.

    047.013 And how many a township stronger than thy township (O Muhammad) which hath cast thee out, have We destroyed, and they had no helper!

    047.014 Is he who relieth on a clear proof from his Lord like those for whom the evil that they do is beautified while they follow their own lusts ?

    047.015 A similitude of the Garden which those who keep their duty (to Allah) are promised: Therein are rivers of water unpolluted, and rivers of milk whereof the flavour changeth not, and rivers of wine delicious to the drinkers, and rivers of clear-run honey; therein for them is every kind of fruit, with pardon from their Lord. (Are those who enjoy all this) like those who are immortal in the Fire and are given boiling water to drink so that it teareth their bowels ?
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    sherif003 :

    why do you think you can have, a serious and amicable discussion, when your basic premise is totally subjective, to have a meaningful discussion, you've got to have a solid basis, else all you will get is derision and ridicule, which is why you are constantly asking for a civil debate.
    You are fighting a loosing battle, post up solid reasoned facts and you'll get the discussion you wish for.
    and I do mean solid reasoned facts, not what you've been doing so far.
    think before you post, ok.

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    Oh good God! Sherif, no offense, but I honestly suggest that you stop embarrassing yourself, and stop embarrassing us any further.

    To everyone here: Can we delete/ ignore everything this guy's saying and start over, please.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    Yes it does seem to be a reoccurring theme. Hopefully another 'Scientist-to-be' will come along so we can have a discussion which teaches us something rather than all out war .
    I'm still around, and willing to start an intellectual debate.
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    there goes another one on my ignore list - you can chat to punarmusiko and daytonturner there to your heart's content

    say bye bye sheriff ! 8)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scifor Refugee
    [ Yeah, the U.S. president happens to be a christian; but he never suggested that the U.S. should attack Iraq in the name of christianity, that U.S. soldiers were waging a "holy war" in accordance with god's will, or that soldiers who die fighting in Iraq will receive special rewards in the afterlife.
    Really? Check your facts.
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    Really? Check your facts.
    Hey, I could be wrong. Do have any references?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scifor Refugee
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Really? Check your facts.
    Hey, I could be wrong. Do have any references?
    I really ought to be able to cite specific speeches, given my rather terse post. from memory I know Bush referred to the anti-terror campaign, including the Iraq invasion, as part of a crusade. That was not well received in Islamic countries.
    There seems to me little doubt that Bush - and certainly many of his advisors- see this as a battle of Christianity against Islam. I'll try to locate some examples over the next few days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Quote Originally Posted by Scifor Refugee
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Really? Check your facts.
    Hey, I could be wrong. Do have any references?
    I really ought to be able to cite specific speeches, given my rather terse post. from memory I know Bush referred to the anti-terror campaign, including the Iraq invasion, as part of a crusade. That was not well received in Islamic countries.
    There seems to me little doubt that Bush - and certainly many of his advisors- see this as a battle of Christianity against Islam. I'll try to locate some examples over the next few days.
    That's pretty scary. I hope you're wrong this time, Ophiolite.
    Whence comes this logic: no evidence = false?

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