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  1. #1 When God's Actions Don't Make Sense 
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    Personally, and it may be true for others as well, there are moments in the Bible when the actions of the Lord make absolutely no sense. These actions may cause an atheist to laugh, an agnostic to scratch their head or a theist to start searching frantically for some scripture to make it sensible.

    A few for instances....

    God rests after creating the universe. I could never understand that one...an all powerful being is suddenly at a weak point?

    God creates beings with no understanding of good and evil, makes it available then tells them not to go get it because its not a good thing to do(whatever that means). Win win for God?

    God selects Noah and family to propagate the human race after He kills everybody else? Why not just kill everybody and start over? Who's going to know?

    God kills then tells us not to. This speaks for itself.

    God allows his son to die (even ceremonially) as the asking price for a few centuries of sin. Why does sin even have a price? Does God need this?

    There's a lot more. I may be stupid but in all honesty things like this are what turns me off of religion. I just cannot get my head around it despite any number of obscure biblical texts that may suggest otherwise. And that's another thing, why doesn't God keep up with the times? Why all the seclusion? Why keep us guessing? It doesn't make sense.


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  3. #2 Re: When God's Actions Don't Make Sense 
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    I may be stupid but in all honesty things like this are what turns me off of religion.
    I am sorry to sound like a broken record, but I do wish people would stop conflating religion with Christianity, especially fundamentalist Christianity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    A few instances....
    these were taken from the Old Testament. My friend, You are confusing the mythological God with the other God.
    Whenever God is put into words (the Bible) he is the mythological God, totally at the whim of human ability. Don't confuse this with the God that is entirely non-dual and non-mythological.

    I am not a theist, don't worry I'm not trying to convert you...Im only trying to get even atheist to understand what they are arguing against.
    Philosophy consists very largely of one philosopher arguing that all others are jackasses. He usually proves it, and I should add that he also usually proves that he is one himself.
    --Henry Louis Mencken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    Personally, and it may be true for others as well, there are moments in the Bible when the actions of the Lord make absolutely no sense. These actions may cause an atheist to laugh, an agnostic to scratch their head or a theist to start searching frantically for some scripture to make it sensible.

    A few for instances....

    God rests after creating the universe. I could never understand that one...an all powerful being is suddenly at a weak point?

    It is just another way of saying that he stopped creating and did not create on the 7th day. It did not say he was tired.

    God creates beings with no understanding of good and evil, makes it available then tells them not to go get it because its not a good thing to do(whatever that means). Win win for God?

    There was a rebellion in heaven with a third of God's angels following Satan and rebelling against God's commands. Doesn't it make sense that God might want to test any new creatures that He creates to see if they will CHOOSE to obey Him or not?! Adam and Eve had no knowledge of good and evil; they were created with only the knowledge of good. When they disobeyed God, came the knowledge of evil and associated punishment. - in short, they failed the test.

    God selects Noah and family to propagate the human race after He kills everybody else? Why not just kill everybody and start over? Who's going to know?

    God does not do what is morally evil; God does not do wrong. Since Noah and his family were righteous, it would have been wrong for God to kill them.

    God kills then tells us not to. This speaks for itself.

    What you are saying is not exactly correct. God tells us not to commit murder. God also says to punish the murderer by killing him; capital punishment. The wages of sin is death. When God kills it is punishment for sin or capital punishment also. If Adam and Eve would not have sinned they would never have died. They would have still eaten of the fruit of the tree of life and lived forever.

    God allows his son to die (even ceremonially) as the asking price for a few centuries of sin. Why does sin even have a price? Does God need this?

    God is a righteous God. It would be wrong for God not to punish sin. Allowing sin to go unpunished is sort of like you are agreeing with the sinful actions. God will not agree with sinful actionsl. God Himself became a man, in the form of Jesus Christ, and took the punishment for sin for all those that believe in Jesus and repent, so those people may be forgiven.
    Jesus chose to do God the Father's will; it was not forced on Him.
    Exodus 34:6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
    Exodus 34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear [the guilty];

    There's a lot more. I may be stupid but in all honesty things like this are what turns me off of religion. I just cannot get my head around it despite any number of obscure biblical texts that may suggest otherwise. And that's another thing, why doesn't God keep up with the times? Why all the seclusion? Why keep us guessing? It doesn't make sense.
    Zinjanthropus did not write all of that; I put my answers to his statements mixed in there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghost7584
    Doesn't it make sense that God might want to test any new creatures that He creates to see if they will CHOOSE to obey Him or not?! Adam and Eve had no knowledge of good and evil; they were created with only the knowledge of good. When they disobeyed God, came the knowledge of evil and associated punishment. - in short, they failed the test.
    No, it doesn't make sense. You're saying the unwitting test subjects did not know they were making a choice, let alone a wrong one. Are we lab rats? How does a being, fresh off creating the universe, come up with something as unfair as that? 'Any excuse will serve a tyrant' they say. Doesn't it make you wonder?

    The crux of the matter is this, for all religions with a perfect deity so as not to seem biased and offend, why would perfection need to be tested?

    I think if you carefully analyzed your words you might see that you have contradicted yourself. How could A & E know goodness and not know goodness at the same time? Please explain.

    As for God in this case, does He not after each day of creation declare the previous 24 hours as good? Again, why test? If God says its good shouldn't it be unquestionably good? Does God have doubts about His accomplishments?
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