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    ..... then what? There would be a considerable amount of people waiting with bated breath to see what religion He favored, I'd imagine. Once God announces who's right, will everyone else convert? Or will everyone think it's a trick or that Satan is behind it all? Will religious factions fight to the death despite God making His presence known? Or will everyone who got it wrong admit they made a mistake and offer apologies to God?

    What if the Bushmen of the Khalahari were right? If any obscure or dead religion is right what would you do? Personally I'd be in a state of shock if the Big Guy showed up and maybe I'd jump off a cliff...why postpone the inevitable? I think overall I'd be fuming at the Big Lug, try and get my 2 cents in, and see if I could have a normal conversation with Him/Her/It.


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    how would you know it was god ? remember Arthur C Clarke's 3rd law about sufficiently advanced technology being indistinguishable from magic - they could easily bamboozle people into believing they were gods

    after all, that's what happened to captain Cooke when he visited Hawaii - originally they were seen as gods, until the natives realised their mistake when one of Cooke's sailors died


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    Well, I would ask what He expects from me and I would tell Him what I expect from Him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    how would you know it was god ? remember Arthur C Clarke's 3rd law about sufficiently advanced technology being indistinguishable from magic - they could easily bamboozle people into believing they were gods

    after all, that's what happened to captain Cooke when he visited Hawaii - originally they were seen as gods, until the natives realised their mistake when one of Cooke's sailors died
    According to the bible, when Jesus (who can be thought of as the "God" in this context) returns to earth, everyone will immediately know he is God.
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    On a few occasions I have asked Christians what could convince them that they picked the wrong religion. Their answer was always the same: nothing. Every single person said that there was nothing, no matter how miraculous or fantastic, that could ever possibly convince them that they had the wrong religion.
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    ahh, the unyielding power of faith. even when the truth stares them into the face, they close their eyes and casts it off as blasphemy.
    when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth
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    What if God showed up...and he turned out to be an atheist.
    Fixin' shit that ain't broke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGyver1968
    What if God showed up...and he turned out to be an atheist.
    there's self-denial for you
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    Scifor said:
    On a few occasions I have asked Christians what could convince them that they picked the wrong religion. Their answer was always the same: nothing. Every single person said that there was nothing, no matter how miraculous or fantastic, that could ever possibly convince them that they had the wrong religion.
    Well, what would it take to convince you that the Theories of Relativity are invalid? I can assume some hard core evidence such as that the speed of light is not constant would suffice.

    Just as there are people every day who come into a saving relationship with Jesus Christ, there are also people who aposticise from that belief. So there must be something that convinced some professing Christians that they were wrong.

    If you have some hard core evidence that Christianity cannot possibly be true, you should present that to the world and I am sure that the millions of Christians will immediately burn their Bibles and follow your new found proofs.

    I would suggest that the reason most Christians would not agree that their faith can be shaken is because Christianity has withstood the onslaughts of challenges for some 2,000 years now. Tacked on to the some 4,000 years of Jewish belief, it seems like the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob has endured longer than any other claim of Godship.

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    Daytonturner wrote:
    I would suggest that the reason most Christians would not agree that their faith can be shaken is because Christianity has withstood the onslaughts of challenges for some 2,000 years now.
    Buddhism is over 2,500 years old and Hinduism is even older. It does not mean the older is the truer.
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    It would be nice if you would relate to the entire thought that the Chistian God has been worshiped for nearly 6,000 years, rather than just the 2,000 years since He put in a personal appearance.
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    If you agree that religion is a human-created interpretation, then what do you think the chances are that he'd show up and look like the religious texts say he would?

    Seeing as religion is awfully subjective, related to social tastes, desires, and understandings, in a way different religions are just like different artists. Each artists creates a different image, even though all are using the same model.

    In that fashion, religion is artwork that was created without seeing the original. If the original (ie God) showed up, what are the chances that in such a way he would look like anything from any of the religions?

    Furthermore, what is to say that the religions of Earth are actually all that different? Personally I believe that the majority of religions (and I'm not just saying one sect, like Chrisitianity) actually describe the same "thing," but only in different ways.

    If I put Rothko and Picasso in a room together, and have them paint a picture of a tree, you'll get two wildly different images...but aren't they still visualizing the same tree?

    Now to get the brain really squirming, imagine that if God does show up, and he is the same subject for all religions, what would happen if by his powers he made himself look as he should for each religious following? Would you care, then? And what would that mean? What do you think would happen if God appeared in various forms, then merged into his true form...in one fell swoop showing all religions that they are one in the same?

    But that's all speculation, of course. Just one scenario out of many that could be true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daytonturner
    the Chistian God has been worshiped for nearly 6,000 years, rather than just the 2,000 years since He put in a personal appearance.
    I guess that might help answer the thread question. People tried to kill God then so I guess they might want another shot at it. Coukl that be a natural reaction by people to commit deicide when God shows up and He is not what you expect.? I mean if He turns out to be something the Eskimos worshipped for instance, then do followers of other religions go into a big denial and try and whack Him?

    What if God turns out to be something like an alien lifeform with twelve tentacles , fourteen eyes, scales and breathes thru His ass while slobbering all over Himself? I have no doubt we would try and kill It. Funny how we automatically think God will either look like us or be beautiful and radiant no matter what shows up. To another slobbering alien lifeform He might be so.
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    alas, poor daytonturner. Still ignoring the masses of evidence I chucked against him, in favor of a delusion.

    Nevertheless, I'd attempt to make God "An Hero". Essentially, if a God existed according to any religion (Christian, greek gods, norse gods, etc), I'd sooner attempt to assassinate that God (for the "lulz").

    Of course, if God is actually some kind all-knowing being (unlike what the scriptures depict him to be), I'd be all for it.

    p.s: Excuse my use of "chan" speak, but my recent exploits into Encyclopedia Dramatica have induced it. It wont happen again.
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    If God suddenly showed up....


    He would probably be like: "What the fuck is going on here!?!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolt
    He would probably be like: "What the fuck is going on here!?!"
    i suppose he wouldn't take his own name in vain ...
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht
    Of course, if God is actually some kind all-knowing being (unlike what the scriptures depict him to be), I'd be all for it.
    Atheist until the gates appear, eh? I wonder what God does with opportunistic believers? :wink:
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    No, it assumes a God is worth worship to begin with. If I determine this God is not, I'd rather go to hell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daytonturner
    Just as there are people every day who come into a saving relationship with Jesus Christ, there are also people who aposticise from that belief. So there must be something that convinced some professing Christians that they were wrong.
    Yeah, the fact that many people leave Christianity is proof that apparently there is something that can cause some people to change their mind. But every time I have asked a person who was currently a Christian, they said that there was absolutely nothing that could make them reconsider. So apparently even though there are things that can make a Christian doubt, they aren't willing/able to admit it or to imagine such things.

    I've had people say with complete seriousness that they would assume it was the work of satan if the followers of another religion were suddenly able to instantly heal anyone of any injury or disease by simply praying for them. I've had people say with complete seriousness that if God personally appeared before them Old Testament style and told them that the bible was wrong, they would assume that they were either hallucinating or that the devil was trying to trick them.

    When I point out that this means that even if they were wrong and God wanted to correct them he would be unable to do so, they say that doesn’t matter because they are sure that they aren’t wrong.
    If you have some hard core evidence that Christianity cannot possibly be true, you should present that to the world and I am sure that the millions of Christians will immediately burn their Bibles and follow your new found proofs.
    I don't claim to have "hard core evidence that Christianity cannot possibly be true" - I was simply responding to zinjanthropos's opening post in which he asked about what would happen if God suddenly showed up OT style and started making divine announcements that Christianity wasn't the correct religion. According to all of the Christians I have ever asked about that sort of thing, they would all simply assume that it was a trick of the devil or something and God would be unable to correct people's misconceptions.

    I would suggest that the reason most Christians would not agree that their faith can be shaken is because Christianity has withstood the onslaughts of challenges for some 2,000 years now. Tacked on to the some 4,000 years of Jewish belief, it seems like the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob has endured longer than any other claim of Godship.
    Hinduism is far and away the world's oldest religion - it dates back to the late Neolithic era, about 5000 BC. Judaism, as the monotheistic religion that we think of it today, only dates back to about 2000 BC. Before that it was a hodge-podge of various Sumerian religions that you probably wouldn't be comfortable calling "Judaism".
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    [quote="daytonturner"]Scifor said:

    If you have some hard core evidence that Christianity cannot possibly be true, you should present that to the world and I am sure that the millions of Christians will immediately burn their Bibles and follow your new found proofs.
    It has already been presented to the world. You must have missed it. It's called "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins.
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    I think you guys are getting off topic. We're not here to discuss the existence or non-existence of God. That's beyond the limits of this post's hypothetical question.


    ...they would all simply assume that it was a trick of the devil or something and God would be unable to correct people's misconceptions.
    The problem with this is that in the Bible...that's exactly what the Devil does. He tries to convince God's followers against God's teachings. So logically, anyone who believes in the Bible's stories, would recognize someone telling them the Bible is wrong as a trick. If anything their religiousness would increase. Possibly their faith, too.

    However, I doubt God would just show up and say "Yer all wrong." Being a God, I'm sure he'd probably have some way of sorting things out that made more sense than that.

    Of course, if this is the path you want to take with the "God arrives" study...the next question has to be "Why?" Why would God show up to sort out the religions, now? Why not when the whole "mess" started? Why not ten years ago? Why not tomorrow? Why not a thousand years ago?
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