June 21st, 2007, 09:49 PM
...a non-fiction book on scientific ignorance and its relation to the idea that science and religion are rival fields, would you read it?
Note: this is not meant to instigate an all-out-brawl between atheists and theists, so put down those guns.
Just want to see how many people would be interested; if there aren't that many, perhaps I'd consider not writing it (I hardly have any time anyway).
i'd say if you feel you have a book in you should try it out
i must say that you'll have your work cut out for you though, because there's been quite a few books in a similar vein of late
yes I would read it, hell it would be a feat to achieve.
would it not be foolish to try to debunk a thing, if you have no knowledge of it, so of course i'd read, anybody with any sense would.
I agree with you that they're rival fields in much the same way. Whether I'd read it depends on how long the book was, and if you managed to hook me in the first few pages.
I would read it out of curiousity. I know curiosity killed the cat but this cat has 9 lives
June 22nd, 2007, 08:47 AM
You might want to check out Ian Barbour. He's written several books like that over the years.Originally Posted by scientstphilosophertheist
Religious people love that kind of stuff. Scientific people probably wouldn't read it.
I would read it if it had a fold-out center
I would not read it because it sounds too religious
Bee
Preferably a life size oneI would read it if it had a fold-out center
No, I won't read it because, in my opinion, you don't have credibility.
July 18th, 2007, 04:42 AM
Since I already am very convinced that they are not rival fields, I think I would accept that such a book is just more crackpot non-sense from a seriously uneducated mind hoping to spread more chaos and gain profit.
So no, I wouldn't spend the time to read it. sorry
Oops.. but then after rereading your OP, I can ascertain that you wished to imply in the book that they are not rivals due to ignorance in Science.
With that thought, I would move into speculation as to whether you knew either subject well enough to say anything worth reading and also toward my ability to easily understand what you were trying to say.
In the long run, I would probably revert to the understanding that the war between Science and religion is a prop and intentionally distraction. What efforts you make toward revealing the facts would be insignificant because it isn't the facts that are creating the problem.
The war is intentional. It has an intelligent force behind it keeping it hot. You would merely gain a very significant enemy if your book was at all effective.
I think I would watch to see how long it an you lived before I bothered to see how you managed to stir against the tide.
i wouldn't read it because you atheist are to naive about the Word Of God or which you might call it bible...
umm...I'm not atheist
scientstphilosophertheist
No - because one that is ignorant to science in the first place would not be competent enough to write a book describing his ignorance to science, as one who is ignorant (by definition) knows not the connotation of that he is ignorant to.
And what is thats supposed to mean?
And what is thats supposed to mean?You dont even know what a theist is? I'll give you a clue:You are one yourself.
Are you suggesting that I'm ignorant of scientific concepts? If so, then I take offense to your hasty conclusion.No - because one that is ignorant to science in the first place would not be competent enough to write a book describing his ignorance to science, as one who is ignorant (by definition) knows not the connotation of that he is ignorant to.
You can take a gate aswell if you like, but your posts speak for themselves.Are you suggesting that I'm ignorant of scientific concepts? If so, then I take offense to your hasty conclusion.No - because one that is ignorant to science in the first place would not be competent enough to write a book describing his ignorance to science, as one who is ignorant (by definition) knows not the connotation of that he is ignorant to.
Who said i didn't know what was theist of course i know that idot... i was talking about the other part dumbo....
No! you clearly thought a theist was the same as an atheist, because aswell as being illiterate you have a vocabruary of little more than "ahuh!" and "god probably did it because my brain aches if I try to see any other cause".
Who said i didn't know what was theist of course i know that idot... i was talking about the other part dumbo....
The proof is here in black and white:
Oh no... just forget the ahuh.. someone is already arguing with me about me saying ahuh...
do you consider yourself intelligent?Oh no... just forget the ahuh.. someone is already arguing with me about me saying ahuh...
Now this is just getting ridiculous. You seem to be trying to evoke some angry response from me.You can take a gate aswell if you like, but your posts speak for themselves.Are you suggesting that I'm ignorant of scientific concepts? If so, then I take offense to your hasty conclusion.No - because one that is ignorant to science in the first place would not be competent enough to write a book describing his ignorance to science, as one who is ignorant (by definition) knows not the connotation of that he is ignorant to.
What posts? Care to provide some evidence of my ignorance?
Edit: I'll have you know that I've been studying high school-level biology since 6th grade; successfully completed AP Biology (with a score of 5) in 10th; AP Chemistry (with a 4) in 12th; Physics honors in the summer of 11th, and am now majoring in microbiology. I constantly listen to science podcasts and read science books and articles. I am a member of several science forums (nerd), including the naked scientists, and (gasp) Richard Dawkins.
So you need to re-consider your hasty conclusion, which I assume came from stereotyping (believing that theists can't be scientists).
Which posts where you are ignorant to science and logic because you credit shit to god do you want me to quote?Now this is just getting ridiculous. You seem to be trying to evoke some angry response from me.You can take a gate aswell if you like, but your posts speak for themselves.Are you suggesting that I'm ignorant of scientific concepts? If so, then I take offense to your hasty conclusion.No - because one that is ignorant to science in the first place would not be competent enough to write a book describing his ignorance to science, as one who is ignorant (by definition) knows not the connotation of that he is ignorant to.
What posts? Care to provide some evidence of my ignorance?
Edit: I'll have you know that I've been studying high school-level biology since 6th grade; successfully completed AP Biology (with a score of 5) in 10th; AP Chemistry (with a 4) in 12th; Physics honors in the summer of 11th, and am now majoring in microbiology.
So you need to re-consider your hasty conclusion, which I assume came from stereotyping (believing that theists can't be scientists).
Sure, go ahead and quote. I don't deny saying that God has a hand in nature, but that doesn't mean I'm ignorant of science. I think your logic is flawed.Which posts where you are ignorant to science and logic because you credit shit to god do you want me to quote?Now this is just getting ridiculous. You seem to be trying to evoke some angry response from me.You can take a gate aswell if you like, but your posts speak for themselves.Are you suggesting that I'm ignorant of scientific concepts? If so, then I take offense to your hasty conclusion.No - because one that is ignorant to science in the first place would not be competent enough to write a book describing his ignorance to science, as one who is ignorant (by definition) knows not the connotation of that he is ignorant to.
What posts? Care to provide some evidence of my ignorance?
Edit: I'll have you know that I've been studying high school-level biology since 6th grade; successfully completed AP Biology (with a score of 5) in 10th; AP Chemistry (with a 4) in 12th; Physics honors in the summer of 11th, and am now majoring in microbiology.
So you need to re-consider your hasty conclusion, which I assume came from stereotyping (believing that theists can't be scientists).
Gentlemen (and ladies if appropriate) can we tone down the personal remarks and get this thread back on topic please.
Ophiolite
I've heard that all before, but every time a theist will revert back to ignoring logic and science to "lalalala im not listening. My god did it" when there is a conflict.
I'm sorry...I got a little carried away.
Ghost, you've blatantly insulted me by calling me ignorant, and have no means of which to back up your claim but "he believes in God." You clearly dislike, disdain, and are condescending towards, theists. I would be no better than you if I continued to argue with you...don't expect any more responses from me regarding my level of education in science.
Edit: People like you contribute to my writing the book. Constantly you try to make science and religion appear to be rival fields, and thus encourage ignorant creationists and IDers to resist and misrepresent science, and teach their kids crap. If most of society continues to be ignorant of and/or resist science, how can we progress?
Suggesting to a theist that he cannot do science because of his belief helps to hinder progression.
Yeah yeah yeah! I've heard the sales patter before.I'm sorry...I got a little carried away.
Ghost, you've blatantly insulted me by calling me ignorant, and have no means of which to back up your claim but "he believes in God." You clearly dislike, disdain, and are condescending towards, theists. I would be no better than you if I continued to argue with you...don't expect any more responses from me regarding my level of education in science.
Edit: People like you contribute to my writing the book. Constantly you try to make science and religion appear to be rival fields, and thus encourage ignorant creationists and IDers to resist and misrepresent science, and teach their kids crap. If most of society continues to be ignorant of and/or resist science, how can we progress?
Suggesting to a theist that he cannot do science because of his belief helps to hinder progression.
The woman from another forum who claims to be a biologist but reverts back to fundamental islam to argue against logic and scientific evidence - Is just one example that springs to mind.
No God is only intelligent....
thanks for admitting you're a retard.No God is only intelligent....
now let the people with brains do the talking please.
oh i am retarded... ha your the retarded one.... your ancestors were really a retarded familythanks for admitting you're a retard.No God is only intelligent....
now let the people with brains do the talking please.
Hey, Ezra, I think you're jumping on thin ice here...you're gonna get banned soon; better improve your attitude
dude/tte, I basicly am a very bored person so while i was going through the forum I noticed you make these really woorthless posts like "ahuh", "wow" + a few smilies so what i'm trying to say is post if you have something more than one line too say. I know off topic - sorry
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