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    Some ignorants think that Islam is bad religion although the best of the best people in many fields convert to islam everyday I imagine that one day we may see the president of USA convert to islam..

    I found that almost everyday a new website appears trying to fight islam this shows how Islam is too strong. These sites trying to cheat people like some members do here. Many westerns don't like Islam becaue they want to enjoy themselves but the question here Did we come to this life life to enjoy ourselves like animals???

    Of course we have great message and a great purpose but the ignorants want to live like animals ...

    Did Islam come with evil??
    If this is true how did islam guide the ancient arab who used to worship statues made by thier hands to the way to The God Allah the creator of this universe?? and learned them that there is only one god who creat the earth, stars and skies???

    If Islam was evil I think in this case Islam should tell people to worship something worse than the statues not to guide them to the great Architect of this universe.

    I want to talk in this thread with Logic

    the question here:

    why did these people choose Islam although they will face many many problems because of this???????


    We will discuss here many stories of people who embraced Islam trying to analyze thier cases..

    Plese if you are a new muslim share with us your story maybe our members can benefit of it ...

    The 1st story:

    ::::::M I C H A E L W O L F E:::::::::
    After twenty-five years a writer in America, I wanted something to soften my cynicism. I was searching for new terms by which to see. The way one is raised establishes certain needs in this department. From a pluralist background, I naturally placed great stress on the matters of racism and freedom. Then, in my early twenties, I had gone to live in Africa for three years. During this time, which was formative for me, I did rubbed shoulders with blacks of many different tribes, with Arabs, Berbers, and even Europeans, who were Muslims.
    See the rest of the story here--->
    http://www.4newmuslims.org/whyislam5.htm


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    Quote Originally Posted by You
    why did these people choose Islam although they will face many many problems because of this???????
    I believe that Islam is the not the only religion where individuals willingly suffered persecution, or even death. I have no hard evidence now, due to it being so late. I will be getting sleep soon. But, I did want to throw this out here, before it is not. I might be back tommorow with evidence.


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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    ... they want to enjoy themselves but the question here Did we come to this life life to enjoy ourselves like animals???
    anything wrong with enjoying yourself ? life doesn't have to be a vale of tears you know
    + it doesn't have to involve excess + fornication to be happy
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanobrain
    I believe that Islam is the not the only religion where individuals willingly suffered persecution, or even death. I have no hard evidence now, due to it being so late. I will be getting sleep soon. But, I did want to throw this out here, before it is not. I might be back tommorow with evidence.
    hey, nanobrain, I think he means that in choosing to convert to a different religion, they will have to endure certain problems, like being socially rejected and stuff like that.
    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, however, there is.
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    Well if you are a Muslim and try to convert to another religion you are REALLY going to face some problems, aren't you?
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    Yes, but pretty much in the same way that choosing to convert from any religious belief to any other would cause certain social problems.
    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, however, there is.
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    Oh, really. Are you saying this is not true?

    (from Wikipedia)

    "Mainstream Islam forbids converting from Islam to another religion. In some Islam-controlled states, such as Saudi Arabia, Iran and Pakistan, conversion from Islam is punishable by death or imprisonment, though it is vaguely mentioned in the Qur'an, it is clearly mentioned in the hadith."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370
    Oh, really. Are you saying this is not true?

    (from Wikipedia)

    "Mainstream Islam forbids converting from Islam to another religion. In some Islam-controlled states, such as Saudi Arabia, Iran and Pakistan, conversion from Islam is punishable by death or imprisonment, though it is vaguely mentioned in the Qur'an, it is clearly mentioned in the hadith."
    i think you have miscought him. there will surely be punishment for any Muslim for changing the religion.

    Religion is not some thing to play with.
    God is one and only.

    God knows the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370
    Oh, really. Are you saying this is not true?

    (from Wikipedia)

    "Mainstream Islam forbids converting from Islam to another religion. In some Islam-controlled states, such as Saudi Arabia, Iran and Pakistan, conversion from Islam is punishable by death or imprisonment, though it is vaguely mentioned in the Qur'an, it is clearly mentioned in the hadith."
    This is true, but the fact is that most muslim countries do not apply Islamic law. The only countries who actually do are Saudi Arabia, Iran and pakistan. Furthermore, the authorities aren't going to knock on peoples doors to check if they are still doing the teachings of Islam.
    You might disagree with me on this, but most people who choose Islam, do not convert back to any other religion, not out of fear, but because usually those who choose Islam (out of their own free will), believe that they have found the right path..
    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, however, there is.
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    Living outside the borders of the three countries mentioned does not necessarily put one beyond the reach of islamic law, as a fellow named Rushdie well knows. While the authorities may not be knocking on your door they may very well notice if you have entered a church or synagogue or otherwise profess a different faith. And if every Muslim was happy to stay a Muslim, there would be no need for such laws.

    What is your opinion of the laws? Are they good, bad, or good only for the 3 countries and bad for the others?
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    Ah yes, everybody is converting to islam, the just, intelligent and civilised religion. LOL. I'm surprised you didn't start of with Cassius Clay, he his after all the most famous of all the converts. But before we start talking about the people who changed to islam why not talk about the ones who were already muslim but just wanted to dress a bit like a westener.......
    http://www.iris.org.il/blog/archives...ned-Alive.html
    Or the 16 year old girl who (still a muslim) had a christian boyfriend, i don't know about you but i think she deserved to die.......
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3149030.stm
    Or we could look at the woman who were forced into marriages at young ages then tryed to become westerners..........
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/...344374,00.html

    Or perhaps we should look at some people that where killed because they converted from islam to christianity....... http://www.domini.org/openbook/iraq20030224.htm
    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull
    http://www.barnabasfund.org/news/arc...news_items=218

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    Of course doing what ive just done is nit picking. Anybody could probable find thousands of cases to support their view. So is islam evil? Well we could start with the 8176 islamic terrorist attacks that have resulted in a innocent persons death since 11/09/2001. Or maybe we could discuss this little boy..... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1811 But have no fear all the heros above will go to heaven and get their 70-odd virgins girls or is it little boys? I can never remember.

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    I imagine that one day we may see the president of USA convert to islam..
    I really really cant see this happening.
    Did we come to this life life to enjoy ourselves like animals???
    Yes, we are animals. Why is it so hard for a muslim to understand that some people want to have a happy life, and allah forbid enjoy ourselves.
    Many westerns don't like Islam because they want to enjoy themselves
    No the reason most westerners don't like islam is because most people don't like being told what they do and don't like or what we can or can't believe in, but i suppose thats the muslim way.
    Of course we have great message and a great purpose but the ignorants want to live like animals ...
    Yes well said, so leave us alone.
    Eat Dolphin, save the Tuna!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370
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    Living outside the borders of the three countries mentioned does not necessarily put one beyond the reach of islamic law, as a fellow named Rushdie well knows. While the authorities may not be knocking on your door they may very well notice if you have entered a church or synagogue or otherwise profess a different faith. And if every Muslim was happy to stay a Muslim, there would be no need for such laws.

    What is your opinion of the laws? Are they good, bad, or good only for the 3 countries and bad for the others?
    Islamic laws aim to eradicate certain occurences from society completely. For example, let's take stealing, which, I believe, is condemned by all religions, because its easiest to understand. In Islam, the penalty of stealing is cutting one of the stealer's hands off. This might seem like a very heavy punishment for a minor offence, but Islam aims to eliminate stealing from society. You might think, well, how will poor people live then? Zakat is an amount of money (about 2.5 % of a person's fortune), that muslims have to pay to the less fortunate every year. If this happens, eventually, poverty will be non-existent in society, so those who steal, would be those who intentionally want to cause damage to the society. In this case, it would seem reasonable that these people are heavily punished. However, now many muslims do not pay zakat, and many struggle to get enough food to survive, so in many cases, stealing would seem justified.
    Islamic laws cannot be applied, when the community does not follow the teachings of Islam. It is a closed cycle where Islam has to be applied correctly in all different aspects in order to get a successful law system.

    Islam is not a religion of punishment, there are always incentives first.
    I believe, that when the Islamic laws were made , it was not intended for them to be practiced frequently, but rather that the threat of them would make people try to avoid commiting sins, until the people assimilate the ethics of Islam.
    So they are good when applied correctly with the rest of Islam, but bad when applied alone, since that would cause imbalance in society.
    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, however, there is.
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    They cut off someones hand for stealing, well i wonder what they do to people that don't follow the word of allah? ....... No wait....
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    Quote Originally Posted by scientist-to-be
    In Islam, the penalty of stealing is cutting one of the stealer's hands off.
    hmmm ... i wonder what they do to rapists ?
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
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    That depends. If they rape their own wife, nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scientist-to-be
    Quote Originally Posted by Nanobrain
    I believe that Islam is the not the only religion where individuals willingly suffered persecution, or even death. I have no hard evidence now, due to it being so late. I will be getting sleep soon. But, I did want to throw this out here, before it is not. I might be back tommorow with evidence.
    hey, nanobrain, I think he means that in choosing to convert to a different religion, they will have to endure certain problems, like being socially rejected and stuff like that.
    exatctly ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    Ah yes, everybody is converting to islam, the just, intelligent and civilised religion. LOL. I'm surprised you didn't start of with Cassius Clay, he his after all the most famous of all the converts. But before we start talking about the people who changed to islam why not talk about the ones who were already muslim but just wanted to dress a bit like a westener.......
    http://www.iris.org.il/blog/archives...ned-Alive.html
    Or the 16 year old girl who (still a muslim) had a christian boyfriend, i don't know about you but i think she deserved to die.......
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3149030.stm
    Or we could look at the woman who were forced into marriages at young ages then tryed to become westerners..........
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/...344374,00.html

    Or perhaps we should look at some people that where killed because they converted from islam to christianity....... http://www.domini.org/openbook/iraq20030224.htm
    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull
    http://www.barnabasfund.org/news/arc...news_items=218

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    Of course doing what ive just done is nit picking. Anybody could probable find thousands of cases to support their view. So is islam evil? Well we could start with the 8176 islamic terrorist attacks that have resulted in a innocent persons death since 11/09/2001. Or maybe we could discuss this little boy..... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1811 But have no fear all the heros above will go to heaven and get their 70-odd virgins girls or is it little boys? I can never remember.

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    I imagine that one day we may see the president of USA convert to islam..
    I really really cant see this happening.
    Did we come to this life life to enjoy ourselves like animals???
    Yes, we are animals. Why is it so hard for a muslim to understand that some people want to have a happy life, and allah forbid enjoy ourselves.
    Many westerns don't like Islam because they want to enjoy themselves
    No the reason most westerners don't like islam is because most people don't like being told what they do and don't like or what we can or can't believe in, but i suppose thats the muslim way.
    Of course we have great message and a great purpose but the ignorants want to live like animals ...
    Yes well said, so leave us alone.
    My dear cat1981

    you have to know something is very important in Islam:
    You can choose any religion you want but if you entered Islam there is no way to go back.

    You have to know this before you enter Islam and you have the choise ..just like a volunteer in the army he can not leave the army at war like a Coward..
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    Quote Originally Posted by scientist-to-be
    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370
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    Living outside the borders of the three countries mentioned does not necessarily put one beyond the reach of islamic law, as a fellow named Rushdie well knows. While the authorities may not be knocking on your door they may very well notice if you have entered a church or synagogue or otherwise profess a different faith. And if every Muslim was happy to stay a Muslim, there would be no need for such laws.

    What is your opinion of the laws? Are they good, bad, or good only for the 3 countries and bad for the others?
    Islamic laws aim to eradicate certain occurences from society completely. For example, let's take stealing, which, I believe, is condemned by all religions, because its easiest to understand. In Islam, the penalty of stealing is cutting one of the stealer's hands off. This might seem like a very heavy punishment for a minor offence, but Islam aims to eliminate stealing from society. You might think, well, how will poor people live then? Zakat is an amount of money (about 2.5 % of a person's fortune), that muslims have to pay to the less fortunate every year. If this happens, eventually, poverty will be non-existent in society, so those who steal, would be those who intentionally want to cause damage to the society. In this case, it would seem reasonable that these people are heavily punished. However, now many muslims do not pay zakat, and many struggle to get enough food to survive, so in many cases, stealing would seem justified.
    Islamic laws cannot be applied, when the community does not follow the teachings of Islam. It is a closed cycle where Islam has to be applied correctly in all different aspects in order to get a successful law system.

    Islam is not a religion of punishment, there are always incentives first.
    I believe, that when the Islamic laws were made , it was not intended for them to be practiced frequently, but rather that the threat of them would make people try to avoid commiting sins, until the people assimilate the ethics of Islam.
    So they are good when applied correctly with the rest of Islam, but bad when applied alone, since that would cause imbalance in society.
    really good point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
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    In Islam, the penalty of stealing is cutting one of the stealer's hands off.
    hmmm ... i wonder what they do to rapists ?
    my dear fellow,

    The punishment for this crime is too dangerous. In Islam any man who do this he sentenced to death immediately and all people should see him while he is taking his punishment.

    Some people think that these laws are too cruel but Islam told us not to use prisons -(although some islamic countries have prisons now) -do you know why???

    If you studied the prisoners in any prison as a social case you will discover this prisons are the worst way we made to punish people because of many points:

    1- Many criminals dont't stop thier crimes even if they take 10 years punishment.
    2- prisoners make a huge financial burdens to any goverment (feeding, clothes and etc.).
    3- prisoners who have 20 years pinishment or more when they go back to ordinary life they can't adapt..

    I think that Islam was Right when told us that prisons are wrong.and criminals have to take thier punishment immediately.
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    you have to know something is very important in Islam:
    You can choose any religion you want but if you entered Islam there is no way to go back.
    You people are scary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370
    you have to know something is very important in Islam:
    You can choose any religion you want but if you entered Islam there is no way to go back.
    You people are scary.
    scary???? that is funny.

    Spanish Inquisition

    The Spanish Inquisition was set up by King Ferdinand of Aragon and Queen Isabella of Castile in 1478 with the forced approval of Pope Sixtus IV.

    They killed THOUSANDS of christians who entered Islam

    look at these pictures:






    There are another photos from christian sites.
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    1478... Time to get over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    Quote Originally Posted by scientist-to-be
    In Islam, the penalty of stealing is cutting one of the stealer's hands off.
    hmmm ... i wonder what they do to rapists ?
    i will give you the answer. muslims kill the rapist.
    like profahmfaw said most of them dont stop thir crime even after being in side the prison for years.
    now i want to ask you a question,
    Suppose some one raped your wife, what will you do to that person???
    if you are honest
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    Is it a crime to strap a bomb onto the back of a ten year old and convince him to blow himself up in a crowd? If the people who do this type of thing are caught will they be charged under Islamic law with murder? Would they even be charged?

    No doubt murder was committed during the inquisition by Christians, but at the time of the acts, was it thought of as such? Surely Islam does not wish to follow the insanity of repeating Christian folly. But I would wager it does. Thus Islam has learned nothing. They can all look in the mirror and see a Christian staring back.

    Alas, Islam is no better than Christianity.

    I don't expect Christianity to be the standard bearer for peace any time soon so why doesn't Islam take up the lead? Why behave as if they're having their own inquisition when they know from history that absolutely no good will come from it?

    Here's Islam's big chance and they've blown it. What a pathetic religion it is, as are most. Congratulations Islam, you've won nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by basim
    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
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    In Islam, the penalty of stealing is cutting one of the stealer's hands off.
    hmmm ... i wonder what they do to rapists ?
    i will give you the answer. muslims kill the rapist.
    like profahmfaw said most of them dont stop thir crime even after being in side the prison for years.
    now i want to ask you a question,
    Suppose some one raped your wife, what will you do to that person???
    if you are honest
    i'd be satisfied if he was castrated - he surely wouldn't re-offend would he ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by basim
    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    Quote Originally Posted by scientist-to-be
    In Islam, the penalty of stealing is cutting one of the stealer's hands off.
    hmmm ... i wonder what they do to rapists ?
    i will give you the answer. muslims kill the rapist.
    like profahmfaw said most of them dont stop thir crime even after being in side the prison for years.
    now i want to ask you a question,
    Suppose some one raped your wife, what will you do to that person???
    if you are honest
    Actually in our Islamic countries raping is happening very rarely you can say once every 2 or 3 months in a country like Egypt because most of people are muslims there and they fear from Allah..

    Not just raping..but most egyptians don't drink alcohols although you may find many shops selling alcohols to foreigners near thier houses.

    I think these two examples show how Islam succeded to change people not just in Egypt but in all islamic countries...Samuel Haintington have said the same thing in his famous book (The clash of civilizations) ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    Is it a crime to strap a bomb onto the back of a ten year old and convince him to blow himself up in a crowd? If the people who do this type of thing are caught will they be charged under Islamic law with murder? Would they even be charged?

    No doubt murder was committed during the inquisition by Christians, but at the time of the acts, was it thought of as such? Surely Islam does not wish to follow the insanity of repeating Christian folly. But I would wager it does. Thus Islam has learned nothing. They can all look in the mirror and see a Christian staring back.

    Alas, Islam is no better than Christianity.

    I don't expect Christianity to be the standard bearer for peace any time soon so why doesn't Islam take up the lead? Why behave as if they're having their own inquisition when they know from history that absolutely no good will come from it?

    Here's Islam's big chance and they've blown it. What a pathetic religion it is, as are most. Congratulations Islam, you've won nothing.
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    No you are wrong..all what you see about Islam is just what media trying to cheat you.As I said many times "Don't look to Muslims and what they doing But look to Islam" ..

    Of course these muslims are wrong who make suicidal actions (although they don't have any other weapon to defend themselves from the people who came to invade thier lands from the begining of 19th century and make them colonies to build thier civilizations by stealing thier Oil and mineral wealth)
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    dont look at the muslims to judge the religion. Look at the quran.
    many people dont know the actual fact due to their blind trust on the media.
    God is one and only.

    God knows the best.
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    Are you saying that the majority of muslim do not interpret the Quran correctly? I thought you say that, apart from scientific matters, the book is quite unambiguous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    They cut off someones hand for stealing, well i wonder what they do to people that don't follow the word of allah? ....... No wait....
    You seem to have completely missed the point of my previous post.
    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, however, there is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prasit
    Are you saying that the majority of muslim do not interpret the Quran correctly? I thought you say that, apart from scientific matters, the book is quite unambiguous.
    Many muslims have not read the Quran. Many have read it and choose not to follow it. Many do not have the will power to do what is right. Many confuse between tradition and religion. Many know what is right, but cannot control their anger. It's not a problem in interpretation.
    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, however, there is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Not just raping..but most egyptians don't drink alcohols although you may find many shops selling alcohols to foreigners near thier houses.
    are you linking the consumption of alcohol with rape ? that seems a rather crude generalisation to me

    i'm not ashamed to admit that i enjoy the odd beer or glass of wine now and again, and i'm even willing to admit that i've been drunk (although not proud of it) - however, under no circumstance can i envisage raping anyone even if i was blind drunk

    nothing to do with religion, just plain human decency
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Not just raping..but most egyptians don't drink alcohols although you may find many shops selling alcohols to foreigners near thier houses.
    are you linking the consumption of alcohol with rape ? that seems a rather crude generalisation to me

    i'm not ashamed to admit that i enjoy the odd beer or glass of wine now and again, and i'm even willing to admit that i've been drunk (although not proud of it) - however, under no circumstance can i envisage raping anyone even if i was blind drunk

    nothing to do with religion, just plain human decency
    i advise you to stop drinking alcohol. you may lose some of your intelligence unknowingly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by basim
    i advise you to stop drinking alcohol. you may lose some of your intelligence unknowingly.
    please refrain from lecturing me - i find it rather condescending
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    Here is our 2nd story: (although I did not get any response about the 1st one)

    DAWOOD NGWANE

    African attorney's transition from Catholicism to Islam
    He was rummaging through some old books in his library and came across Sheikh Ahmed Deedat's book, Crucifixion or Cruci-fiction? Which shook his faith and radically changed his concept of God and his entire life.

    What made a distinguished attorney, a proud Zulu by birth and a son of the African soil give up the Catholic Church in which he was raised in favour of Islam? This was a faith he was taught to be wary of.

    Attorney Dawood Ngwane was not searching for a new religion. He was quite

    pleased and happy as he was. At least that was what he thought. He was simply looking for a law journal in a heap of old books when he stumbled upon Sheikh Deedat's book, Crucifixion or Cruci-fiction? The title of this little booklet immediately grabbed his attention and stuck in his mind. He placed the booklet one side and felt an urgency to read it. Once he started reading the booklet he could not put it down. It had plunged him into a decisive moment of deep questioning. He had reached a point in his life where he doubted his core beliefs. He mustered the courage to go and talk to Sheikh Ahmed Deedat at the IPCI with the intention of convincing him that he got it all wrong.

    "My personal encounter with Sheikh Deedat further weakened my faith in the Trinity," Attorney Dawood said. But attorney Ngwane is a man of great substance and he was not going to walk away from the Catholic Church without consulting his Bishop at the Marian Hill Diocese, a place where he loyally and devotedly served the Church and the Christian community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Here is our 2nd story: (although I did not get any response about the 1st one)
    you want a response ?

    **shrug** + **yawn**
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    Hey, prof

    At the beginning of the thread you said you wanted to talk with logic. Basim says religion is not something to play around with. You said it was like a volunteer in the army, you are still not allowed to desert like a coward.

    By that logic the two people you have written about are deserters and deserve to be shot. I mean, turnabout is fair play. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander and all that. So if a Christian or Jewish hit squad should murder them, you should not have any objection?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370
    Hey, prof

    At the beginning of the thread you said you wanted to talk with logic. Basim says religion is not something to play around with. You said it was like a volunteer in the army, you are still not allowed to desert like a coward.

    By that logic the two people you have written about are deserters and deserve to be shot. I mean, turnabout is fair play. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander and all that. So if a Christian or Jewish hit squad should murder them, you should not have any objection?
    hey harold,

    you have to know very important thing jewish and chritianity was sent to a specific people called the sons of israel in the other hand Islam was sent to all over the world not to humans only but to genies world too.

    So Islam is a universal religion and we believe that the sons of Israel have changed the verses in the bible and torah which talk about Islam and our prophet to guarante not to lost thier Influence ..

    So Islam is a serious religion not a something you can change as you want like what you did with christianity . In this case you don't have the right to punish them if they became muslims as your people Don't respect any religion and most of them are non-god.
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    So Islam is a universal religion and we believe that the sons of Israel have changed the verses in the bible and torah which talk about Islam and our prophet to guarante not to lost thier Influence ..
    i'd say if you want to be taken seriously don't start another conspiracy theory, there's already enough on the internet and there's already enough fools to believe them as well
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    Prof, I thought Islam was the religion of religious tolerance and now you are telling me all these other religions are not real religions at all. Is that what you tell your Christian friends, too? Watch out, your true feelings are starting to show.

    What if some Christians decided to take their religion seriously just like they used to do in the good old days when they had inquisitions and crusades? Then would they have the same right as you do to discipline their heretics and apostates?

    I'll bet there are a few Muslims that don't take their religion seriously, either. Could they quit their religion without any punishment also? This is by the same criteria you used before for Christians.

    Remember we are talking logic here. Don't just read me scriptures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370
    Prof, I thought Islam was the religion of religious tolerance and now you are telling me all these other religions are not real religions at all. Is that what you tell your Christian friends, too? Watch out, your true feelings are starting to show.

    What if some Christians decided to take their religion seriously just like they used to do in the good old days when they had inquisitions and crusades? Then would they have the same right as you do to discipline their heretics and apostates?

    I'll bet there are a few Muslims that don't take their religion seriously, either. Could they quit their religion without any punishment also? This is by the same criteria you used before for Christians.

    Remember we are talking logic here. Don't just read me scriptures.
    No Harold , you understand me wrong..All people who enter Islam we warn them there is no way to go back and you have the choise and time to rethink . They all accept that .Besides all muslims respect and love moses and Jesus and all prophets (peace upon them).


    Do you think that inquisitions and crusades are good christian morals???
    Of course Nooo, Our prophet told us not to harm plants , animals, women, children or old men in war . Islam don't use torture difinitely as your people did. try to search in Islam history and you will know the truth..

    In your western language ISLAM is the latest software version from Allah to work you very well. Old versions (christianity and jewish) some of thier files destroyed by some humans . you can not install any newer version as Allah said he won't send us any newer versions.

    Install this version NOW
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    In your western language ISLAM is the latest software version from Allah to work you very well. Old versions (christianity and jewish) some of thier files destroyed by some humans . you can not install any newer version as Allah said he won't send us any newer versions.
    Nicely put.
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    seem more like virus to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Actually in our Islamic countries raping is happening very rarely you can say once every 2 or 3 months in a country like Egypt because most of people are muslims there and they fear from Allah..

    Not just raping..but most egyptians don't drink alcohols although you may find many shops selling alcohols to foreigners near thier houses.

    I think these two examples show how Islam succeded to change people not just in Egypt but in all islamic countries...Samuel Haintington have said the same thing in his famous book (The clash of civilizations) ...
    Well, as I understand it, reporting a rape can go very badly for the woman who's been raped in some muslim countries. So how would you ever have honest numbers for it?

    Still, I agree it's a good ethic to simply kill rapists rather than imprison them, especially with modern DNA testing that can prove who did it.

    The problem I find with Islam and Theocracy is that, while in theory it sounds great to have God run your government, in practice you have humans administrating everything, and they will always be just as corrupt as the leaders who run secular nations. It's dangerous to give a human being the credibility of God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax
    Well, as I understand it, reporting a rape can go very badly for the woman who's been raped in some muslim countries.
    wasn't there a fairly recent case where a woman who had been raped in pakistan had to be protected under secular law because under islamic law she would have been guilty of adultery ???
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    Well, as I understand it, reporting a rape can go very badly for the woman who's been raped in some muslim countries. So how would you ever have honest numbers for it?
    We don't need any statistics to prove that because you will see that we have also rare numbers for drunk people, stealing and most of the crimes and violence which infected the western society because they don't have the best vaccine which can protect them (Islam).

    You will see the same thing in that book (the clash of civilizations) by Samuel haintington.
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    We don't need any statistics to prove that because you will see that we have also rare numbers for drunk people, stealing and most of the crimes and violence which infected the western society because they don't have the best vaccine which can protect them (kill'em).
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    Islam don't use torture difinitely as your people did. try to search in Islam history and you will know the truth..
    That's a lie. I guess you could believe this if you think sawing someone's head off with a dull knife is not torture.

    I did search in Islam history and found this in the Koran "The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land." Now how do you figure crucifixion and cutting off hands and feet are not torture?

    I also found lots of examples of Muslim torture in modern times, not back in the 1400s. Just do an internet search for Muslim torture and you will find plenty.
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    I did search in Islam history and found this in the Koran "The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land." Now how do you figure crucifixion and cutting off hands and feet are not torture?
    Yeah but this is for people who are fighting the word of Allah (warriors). Not civilians, women or old men as christian did. Right??????
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    You're splitting hairs. They tortured heretics and apostates (in the 1400s), and you kill them (today).
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    it's amazing how often genocides are preceeded by the depiction of the future victims as somehow being less than human and thereby deserving of being killed

    that's unfortunately a very human characteristic, independent of religion (or even the lack thereof)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370
    You're splitting hairs. They tortured heretics and apostates (in the 1400s), and you kill them (today).
    The last verse was talking about warriors ok?

    You want now to compare those who want to convert from islam with inquisitions .. There are big differents and as I told you before many times you have the choice. If you see that you are a coward and maybe you will leave Islam after a while so don't enter it. in this case Islam won't need you. Get all your time, search and ask and make your choice.
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    You want now to compare those who want to convert from islam with inquisitions .. There are big differents and as I told you before many times you have the choice.
    We are comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges. The inquisitors were torturing apostates who wanted to leave their religion. The apostates they were torturing had a choice, too. Muslims KILL people who want to leave their religion. Not just the converts to Islam, either like you are trying to say. Now, which is worse, torturing or killing? At least the Christian apostates had a chance to recant after they were tortured. When you are dead, you're dead.
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    profahmfaw, it has been mentioned many times above, two wrongs don't make a right. There isn't anything i can say about the people that you have mentioned who have converted to islam except that perhaps they need there heads examined.
    But i will respond to this quote ........
    All people who enter Islam we warn them there is no way to go back
    What about the people who were born in a muslim country? They have no freedom to chose their religion. So heres a story about a woman who has converted to christianity in a country not mentioned at the start of the thread. Compare what is happening to her with the people you have been mentioning.
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=51693
    Muslim-majority Malaysia is considered a largely moderate, modern society, renouncing one's Muslim faith still is considered both sinful and illegal by Islamic authorities"
    "Lina Joy wants to marry a Christian man and start a family, but while she converted from Islam in 1990 and was baptized several years later, the government maintains her religious designation as Muslim on her identity card. That's significant because if she does marry and have children, they could be taken from her under the Islamic religious law which does not allow parents who are "apostate," or in defiance of God, to raise children."
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    Another link im sure you will like.....
    http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/14689.htm
    Some 3,000 Christians in the UK are in danger because they have chosen to convert from Islam. Some are being actively harassed and persecuted, but many church leaders seem more interested in defending their attackers than in standing up for the rights of the converts.
    Nissar Hussain, a Christian from Bradford, has suffered three years of harassment, amounting effectively to persecution, from the local Muslims in his neighbourhood. His car has been torched and rammed, bricks have been thrown through his window on many occasions, there have been threats to burn the house down, and much else besides. Mr Hussain and his wife were originally Muslims, and this is the reason for the treatment they are getting.
    Though this may seem shocking, it should not be a surprise. From its inception, Islam has rigorously sought to prevent its adherents from choosing any other faith. Such apostates are regarded as traitors and – according to shari’a (Islamic law) – should be executed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Quote Originally Posted by kojax
    Well, as I understand it, reporting a rape can go very badly for the woman who's been raped in some muslim countries. So how would you ever have honest numbers for it?
    We don't need any statistics to prove that because you will see that we have also rare numbers for drunk people, stealing and most of the crimes and violence which infected the western society because they don't have the best vaccine which can protect them (Islam).

    You will see the same thing in that book (the clash of civilizations) by Samuel haintington.
    Maybe it's the fact we allow both the good and the bad that makes our nations into industrial giants, while the muslim nations of the world remain in the stone age.

    Without some tolerance for bad ideas you never get new ideas, and without new ideas, you never grow. I think perhaps Islam does its job too well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax
    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Quote Originally Posted by kojax
    Well, as I understand it, reporting a rape can go very badly for the woman who's been raped in some muslim countries. So how would you ever have honest numbers for it?
    We don't need any statistics to prove that because you will see that we have also rare numbers for drunk people, stealing and most of the crimes and violence which infected the western society because they don't have the best vaccine which can protect them (Islam).

    You will see the same thing in that book (the clash of civilizations) by Samuel haintington.
    Maybe it's the fact we allow both the good and the bad that makes our nations into industrial giants, while the muslim nations of the world remain in the stone age.

    Without some tolerance for bad ideas you never get new ideas, and without new ideas, you never grow. I think perhaps Islam does its job too well.
    Do you know know??

    Many parents sometimes bit their kids or punish them because they take care of them because their kids don't see the right things because they are still young ..This shows how our parents love us.

    In the other side our creator Allah is punishing muslims now because most of us are trying run after your civilizations and they left our religion which was like a light in the darkness try to search for the islamic civilization and you will know how our grandfathers were great and taught your grandfathers.


    REMEMBER
    1- your people invaded our lands in the 18th and 19th cetury and made our lands colonies and left us hardly in the 20th century like a skeleton without a flesh.

    2- your civilization will end soon like all civilizations before don't be happy too much.

    3- This life is like a Mirage everyone of us may live only max. 100 years but the other life is immortal . I think this small 100 years is nothing to immortality . So the second life is very vital for every muslim and this is our most important target . play in this life as you want but what did you prepare for the second life?????????????????????????????
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    ... play in this life as you want but what did you prepare for the second life?
    fair enough if there's such a thing as a second life - you'd feel pretty foolish if you gave up everything in this life for the next, only to find out there isn't any (come to think of it, you wouldn't feel anything, you'd be dead)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    profahmfaw, it has been mentioned many times above, two wrongs don't make a right. There isn't anything i can say about the people that you have mentioned who have converted to islam except that perhaps they need there heads examined.
    But i will respond to this quote ........
    All people who enter Islam we warn them there is no way to go back
    What about the people who were born in a muslim country? They have no freedom to chose their religion. So heres a story about a woman who has converted to christianity in a country not mentioned at the start of the thread. Compare what is happening to her with the people you have been mentioning.
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=51693
    Muslim-majority Malaysia is considered a largely moderate, modern society, renouncing one's Muslim faith still is considered both sinful and illegal by Islamic authorities"
    "Lina Joy wants to marry a Christian man and start a family, but while she converted from Islam in 1990 and was baptized several years later, the government maintains her religious designation as Muslim on her identity card. That's significant because if she does marry and have children, they could be taken from her under the Islamic religious law which does not allow parents who are "apostate," or in defiance of God, to raise children."
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    http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/14689.htm
    Some 3,000 Christians in the UK are in danger because they have chosen to convert from Islam. Some are being actively harassed and persecuted, but many church leaders seem more interested in defending their attackers than in standing up for the rights of the converts.
    Nissar Hussain, a Christian from Bradford, has suffered three years of harassment, amounting effectively to persecution, from the local Muslims in his neighbourhood. His car has been torched and rammed, bricks have been thrown through his window on many occasions, there have been threats to burn the house down, and much else besides. Mr Hussain and his wife were originally Muslims, and this is the reason for the treatment they are getting.
    Though this may seem shocking, it should not be a surprise. From its inception, Islam has rigorously sought to prevent its adherents from choosing any other faith. Such apostates are regarded as traitors and – according to shari’a (Islamic law) – should be executed.
    I realized from all your posts how you are funny because you are cheating these people here. Maybe you dont know that you are bringing just some lies

    You seems didn't study how to make researches before. your references must be neutral.

    your first reference is:
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/

    and everybody knows what is that site and who support it and what it calls??

    your second reference is:
    http://jmm.aaa.net.au/

    and really really seems so bad and stupid site.


    About your question:

    Islam don't kill anybody who convert from islam it's your own but we kill only those who converted and are calling for converting from Islam.In this case you are fighting our religion and deserve killing.

    You can not play with our religion ( convert to islam today and change your mind tomorrow..Instead you can take all time to rethink before entering Islam..


    The only one who can give that order (killing) is (Khalifa) The President in your western language if he sees great dangerous to -(Ommah)- national security.


    Maybe some ignorants will say: is this the freedom??!!!!

    The answer:
    Why your country can't accept you to work as a spy for us?? isn't this a freedom??? Why all goverment kill spys????
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    You seems didn't study how to make researches before youe refernces must be neutral.
    is there such a thing as a neutral reference ? one person's neutral site is another person's biased one and vice versa

    the only references you would find unbiased are the ones that match your own preconceptions
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    You seems didn't study how to make researches before youe refernces must be neutral.
    is there such a thing as a neutral reference ? one person's neutral site is another person's biased one and vice versa

    the only references you would find unbiased are the ones that match your own preconceptions
    I think you can use some honest and Big sites for the biggest newspapers in the world..

    Don't give a reference that seems for a beginner. Any body can now build a web site in just 5 minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Any body can now build a web site in just 5 minutes.
    you flatter me - i usually take about 30 minutes to knock up a website
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    profahmfaw, you obviously have no idea how much i despise your religion but the more i read your posts the stronger that conviction becomes. First you start this thread calling all non-muslim "ignorant" and "animals" now your calling me a lier. So perhaps you could tell me which websites i can use, no doubt they will all be pro-muslim websites such as the ones you provided for your 'converts', talk about calling the pot black.
    we kill only those who converted and are calling for converting from Islam.In this case you are fighting our religion and deserve killing.
    I call upon every muslim to reconsider their faith. It is a religion created by a paedophile with an unspoken hatred of women, its sole ambition is to dominate the world and to turn every human being into a brainless moron who's every action must take into consideration the will of an imaginary person named 'allah'. I ask you all to convert to Christianity, Buddhism or any other religion or non-religion for the above reasons.

    Is that enough for me to deserve to die profahmfaw?

    BTW profahmfaw, there is no after life, all you are doing is wasting your time and obviously mine so im going to go down the pub now to get assholed before you muslims get the place shut down.

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    That woman they are burying alive must be a soldier. Prof told us they only torture soldiers and he wouldn't lie to us would he?
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    Im perturbed by a certain person on here...prof you know who you are !! - you have perturbed me.
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    profahmfaw, you obviously have no idea how much i despise your religion but the more i read your posts the stronger that conviction becomes.
    Exactly the way I feel too. In fact having him on my ignore list for months now has given me freedom (which by the way is not allowed for Islamic women and young girls.) Sadly, Islam is Satans religion and since Allah is really Satan himself, it will unfortunately bring armageddon someday if we can't kill it.

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    ..., it will unfortunately bring armageddon someday if we can't kill it.
    Agreed. Islam wishes to rule the world by force. Take all, keep all, and show no mercy to those who oppose. But, what is funny is not even a single one of them(as in any religion) can prove even to themselves, that the book they worship is any more valid than others. What the hell is wrong with people? May God just end it all now.
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    [quote ="profahmfaw"]

    Maybe it's the fact we allow both the good and the bad that makes our nations into industrial giants, while the muslim nations of the world remain in the stone age.

    Without some tolerance for bad ideas you never get new ideas, and without new ideas, you never grow. I think perhaps Islam does its job too well.
    Do you know know??

    Many parents sometimes bit their kids or punish them because they take care of them because their kids don't see the right things because they are still young ..This shows how our parents love us.
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    Most Americans consider violent punishment to be silly. They prefer to communicate with their children through their minds instead of their bodies so they will grow up to be smart. (Probably why our technology is so far ahead of the muslim world)

    In the other side our creator Allah is punishing muslims now because most of us are trying run after your civilizations and they left our religion which was like a light in the darkness try to search for the islamic civilization and you will know how our grandfathers were great and taught your grandfathers.
    If Islam is such a light in the darkness, then why has every major scientific or technological discovery in the past 300 years happened in western countries?

    Why does Allah/God give us this knowlege instead of you. Isn't that up to him?

    REMEMBER
    1- your people invaded our lands in the 18th and 19th cetury and made our lands colonies and left us hardly in the 20th century like a skeleton without a flesh.
    Only by God/Allahs' will. Or is it only Allah's will when you win?

    2- your civilization will end soon like all civilizations before don't be happy too much.
    As will yours. As do all civilizations eventually when a better one rises up to take its place.

    But, ours will be better remembered because we've accomplished more. All of Islam's accomplishments are in the past now, but many of ours are still in the future.
    3- This life is like a Mirage everyone of us may live only max. 100 years but the other life is immortal . I think this small 100 years is nothing to immortality . So the second life is very vital for every muslim and this is our most important target . play in this life as you want but what did you prepare for the second life?????????????????????????????
    I think Allah/God will remember who has done the most good, and reward them accordingly. What does Islam do that's good? All I know of their doings is destruction.

    The Taliban recently blew up a very old, and impressive Budhist statue in Afghanistan. How many beautiful cities in India were ransacked and destroyed by muslim invaders at height of the empire?

    Then there's the great pyramid of Egypt, who's finishing stones the muslims plundered to build mosques in Cairo. Mosques!! They defaced the oldest, and most impressive monument in the whole world's history to build mosques!!!!

    For every one beautiful object the muslims create, they destroy 10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanobrain
    Quote Originally Posted by Bettina
    ..., it will unfortunately bring armageddon someday if we can't kill it.
    Agreed. Islam wishes to rule the world by force. Take all, keep all, and show no mercy to those who oppose. But, what is funny is not even a single one of them(as in any religion) can prove even to themselves, that the book they worship is any more valid than others. What the hell is wrong with people? May God just end it all now.
    So why did your people came to invade our lands in the 18th and 19th cetury???

    RULE WORLD WITH FORCE !!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW???? We still developing countries..try to be more logical.
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    I think Allah/God will remember who has done the most good, and reward them accordingly. What does Islam do that's good? All I know of their doings is destruction.

    The Taliban recently blew up a very old, and impressive Budhist statue in Afghanistan. How many beautiful cities in India were ransacked and destroyed by muslim invaders at height of the empire?

    Then there's the great pyramid of Egypt, who's finishing stones the muslims plundered to build mosques in Cairo. Mosques!! They defaced the oldest, and most impressive monument in the whole world's history to build mosques!!!!

    For every one beautiful object the muslims create, they destroy 10.
    Try to read this..it is just a glimpse about Islamic civilization mr. ignorant
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
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    So why did your people came to invade our lands in the 18th and 19th cetury???
    Your culture also tryed to invade us in the 7th and 8th century's. Enough with the history lessons, we are talking about here and now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    profahmfaw, you obviously have no idea how much i despise your religion but the more i read your posts the stronger that conviction becomes.
    Exactly the way I feel too. In fact having him on my ignore list for months now has given me freedom (which by the way is not allowed for Islamic women and young girls.) Sadly, Islam is Satans religion and since Allah is really Satan himself, it will unfortunately bring armageddon someday if we can't kill it.

    Bettina
    You are really so strange woman...why did you come back to my thread if I was really in your ignore list???

    We don't want to kill anybody just don't invade our lands and leave us alone. your people are trying to invade our lands now?? you also helped those jewish to invade our lands??? stealing our oil wealth...

    You know the truth but you don't want to believe.

    We destory anybody invade our countries and this is our right.

    (which by the way is not allowed for Islamic women and young girls.) !!!!

    I don't know where did you get this myth. you seems really brainwashed. Try to visit islamic country if you wanted to know the truth with your eyes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
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    So why did your people came to invade our lands in the 18th and 19th cetury???
    Your culture also tryed to invade us in the 7th and 8th century's. Enough with the history lessons, we are talking about here and now.
    Your people is trying now to invade our lands..So we have the right now to kill you to defend ourselves..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    profahmfaw, you obviously have no idea how much i despise your religion but the more i read your posts the stronger that conviction becomes. First you start this thread calling all non-muslim "ignorant" and "animals" now your calling me a lier. So perhaps you could tell me which websites i can use, no doubt they will all be pro-muslim websites such as the ones you provided for your 'converts', talk about calling the pot black.
    we kill only those who converted and are calling for converting from Islam.In this case you are fighting our religion and deserve killing.
    I call upon every muslim to reconsider their faith. It is a religion created by a paedophile with an unspoken hatred of women, its sole ambition is to dominate the world and to turn every human being into a brainless moron who's every action must take into consideration the will of an imaginary person named 'allah'. I ask you all to convert to Christianity, Buddhism or any other religion or non-religion for the above reasons.

    Is that enough for me to deserve to die profahmfaw?

    BTW profahmfaw, there is no after life, all you are doing is wasting your time and obviously mine so im going to go down the pub now to get assholed before you muslims get the place shut down.

    Do you know this picture is really fantastic it is made by photoshop version 7 or higher????

    believe me you are really brillinat ..I discovered it hardly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prof
    Your people is trying now to invade our lands..So we have the right now to kill you to defend ourselves..
    Really . Britain invades Egypt, i must have missed that one.
    Do you know this picture is really fantastic it is made by photoshop version 7 or higher????

    believe me you are really brillinat ..I discovered it hardly.
    Thats one of the reasons why people have you on their ignore list. Because you do not make any sense, and you ignore the facts.



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    Cat1981,

    That woman they are burying alive must be a soldier. Prof told us they only torture soldiers and he wouldn't lie to us would he?
    NO!, of course he wouldn't. Actually she is being punished for adultery, which just goes to show where we have been going wrong all these years. But thankfully islam is here to show us the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    Quote Originally Posted by prof
    Your people is trying now to invade our lands..So we have the right now to kill you to defend ourselves..
    Really . Britain invades Egypt, i must have missed that one.
    Do you know this picture is really fantastic it is made by photoshop version 7 or higher????

    believe me you are really brillinat ..I discovered it hardly.
    Thats one of the reasons why people have you on their ignore list. Because you are not making anysense, and you ignore the facts.

    [img]http://www.geocities.com/iranian_rights/torture.jpg[[img]http://www.simplytaty.com/broadenpages/images2/beating.
    Want to see some more prof? I know how much of a turn-on they are for you.
    Facts!!!!!! what is your proof???
    you lie everyday even your president or prime-minister..How can I trust you??
    anybody dont believe you now..About the pictures we dont know what are their crimes???
    maybe they are criminals or killers. Some people use these kind of photos which made which made by programs or taken for criminals to cheat the west..
    look for these photos from a good and bib reference it is BBC.CO.UK





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    Ahh the trump card (stupid bloody yanks) well all i can do is apologise prof for those crimes.

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    Why is it when americans commit a crime you blame the "bloody yanks", and not christianity, whereas when arabs/ iranians/ pakistanis do, you blame Islam, and not " bloody arabs/iranians/ pakistanis"?? How fair is that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scientist-to-be
    Why is it when americans commit a crime you blame the "bloody yanks", and not christianity, whereas when arabs/ iranians/ pakistanis do, you blame Islam, and not " bloody arabs/iranians/ pakistanis"?? How fair is that?
    very good point :-D :-D
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    Quote Originally Posted by scientist-to-be
    Why is it when americans commit a crime you blame the "bloody yanks", and not christianity, whereas when arabs/ iranians/ pakistanis do, you blame Islam, and not " bloody arabs/iranians/ pakistanis"?? How fair is that?
    not that I agree w/ blaming Islam, but it's because the American system separates Christianity from law/the government.
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    STB i didn't blame anyone, it was a light hearted comment and as you know i did apologise. I don't have a religion, i don't care whether you are from Iran, Pakistan or Bradford or if you are a christian, muslim or pagan if you are trying to change my country and my way of life with force and bulling tactics then i'm going to get pissed off, sadly it is always muslims that are trying to do this.

    STB, never has a muslim ever hurt me personally, but then again im 6f 2" and my nickname is the ox (to give you some impression of me) but they have verbally abused and physically threatened my grandmother and sister on different occasions, they are trying to change my country and are blowing up people regardless of religion, the only connection between those victims is that they are westeners not christians. If i blamed the 'bloody pakis' i would be called a racist.

    This is not a war between christians and muslims, it is a conflict of cultures between islam and the west. So stb (im presuming you are a muslim) are you going to be big enough to apologise to us westeners for your religions actions ?

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    Prof any time i provide you with links or story's in response to your posts you ether ignore them or dismiss them with stupid arguments. You praise any post that is in favour of the religion of islam and dismiss any other argument. Could you please start debating rather than showing your religions true colours.

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    Or better yet stb, perhaps you could tell me were these people are from so i can direct my hatred at the correct country?





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    Behead, butcher and whatever to those who mock Islam. It is with some sarcasm that I'm hoping those placard bearing protesters who ironically mock the peaceful nature of their own religion, practice on themselves what they preach. Who's mocking who?

    Sometimes I just feel like ranting, call it like it is, so here goes....

    The trouble is not the Muslims, its religion itself. Despite what any other religion says about another, they are all under the same spell. Personally I feel they are all guilty of the same thing, simply hating each other. All the detente and courtesy the world can muster is not going to change anything. They each want peace on their terms which means they'll kill each other to get it. Its being going on for hundreds if not thousands of years.

    It doesn't matter who killed who first, just drop it. The rest of us who are not affiliated with any religion just want it all to end anywhere away from us. We want no part of it. What part of love for your fellow man don't you understand. Take your gods, satans and any other religious beasts that no one has ever seen and go live or fight in Antarctica. Is one side dumb enough to think they can lay waste to the other? It appears so. Idiots, everyone of them.

    I happen to live in a predominantly Christian country and believe me there is no way I'll get into a pissing match with any of them, they will kill you faster than you can say Osama Bin Laden. The Muslims seem to be dumb enough however. Islam with its murderous reputation is asking for it and at some point they are going to get it. I figure the Christians thought they were done with the Muslims and regarded them as nothing more than a bunch of morons until they woke up and wondered how the hell that mosque got built next door. If the Muslims think they've taken Christiandom's best shot then they are exercising poor judgement.

    As a child growing up I never realized the extent of mental retardation around the globe. Something has got to give, I don't want to be caight in the crossfire. I hope the first 2 casualties are God and Allah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    I think Allah/God will remember who has done the most good, and reward them accordingly. What does Islam do that's good? All I know of their doings is destruction.

    The Taliban recently blew up a very old, and impressive Budhist statue in Afghanistan. How many beautiful cities in India were ransacked and destroyed by muslim invaders at height of the empire?

    Then there's the great pyramid of Egypt, who's finishing stones the muslims plundered to build mosques in Cairo. Mosques!! They defaced the oldest, and most impressive monument in the whole world's history to build mosques!!!!

    For every one beautiful object the muslims create, they destroy 10.
    Try to read this..it is just a glimpse about Islamic civilization mr. ignorant
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
    Ok....... so way back in 1258 Islam was the world leader in the sciences. I don't know if you realize this, but that's almost 750 years ago. :wink:

    It's like I was saying. All of Islam's great accomplishments are in the past. The western world still has many accomplishments ahead of it, but Islam isn't willing to adapt, and will therefore never do anything worthy of memory ever again.

    The westerners of this generation are accomplishing greater things than the muslims of this generation. Accordingly, the westerners of this generation will be better remembered. The muslim generation of 1258 may have been blessed, but the muslims of this generation aren't doing anything worthy of praise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    STB, never has a muslim ever hurt me personally, but then again im 6f 2" and my nickname is the ox (to give you some impression of me) but they have verbally abused and physically threatened my grandmother and sister on different occasions, they are trying to change my country and are blowing up people regardless of religion, the only connection between those victims is that they are westeners not christians. If i blamed the 'bloody pakis' i would be called a racist.
    I believe that the dire consequences and punishments that Islam has set for physical and verbal abuse have been previously discussed in this thread, and at that point you mockingly indicated that you believe that they are cruel. Of course, these people who call themselves muslims, are not following the teachings of Islam, and should be subjected to appropriate punishment, whether by Islamic law or secular law.
    Reading between the lines, I can tell that you are very prejudiced about islam, and about muslims, seeing as you continue to portray them as terrorists at your doorstep, waiting to throw a bomb at you. If a few muslims are like that, it doesn't mean that all of them are, and I know that what terrorists have done only exacerbates the image of Islam, but i do request that you handle this topic without bias against islam.

    I myself am a muslim woman, and I believe in freedom, peace, democracy and diplomacy.

    This is not a war between christians and muslims, it is a conflict of cultures between islam and the west. So stb (im presuming you are a muslim) are you going to be big enough to apologise to us westeners for your religions actions ?
    You have contradicted yourself by saying that this is a conflict of cultures, and then saying that it is between islam and the west. Islam is not a culture. Islam is a religion. You should know by now that there are many bad people in the world who are bad, regardless of their religion. Bad people do bad things. It's only natural. I'm sure you've heard of the recent virginia tech massacre. The guy just killed people for no reason whatsoever. It can happen anywhere, and isn't this America, the country of freedom?

    The conflict has never been between christians and muslims, and it will never be. The conflict is between the muslims and the Israeli Zionists, who believe that violence could be practiced against palestinian muslims, and constantly kill them, rape them, destroy their homes and imprison them even if they are completely innocent civilians. Palestenians have been trying, though unsuccessfully, to stop Israeli violence for more than fifty years. They have tried negotiation, they have tried resisting, and opposing violence with violence, but it never seemed to work. It was then that they realised the source of the problem. It is the powerful western governments who provide Israel with weapons, and funding. Muslims have tried to change the policies of western governments in many ways; protests, and in diplomatic conversations as well, but without success. Many were angry and could not suppress their anger and found terrorism as the only possible way to draw western governments' attention. You see, this did start off as a religious war, but the terrorist attacks are fueled by anger and not by religious belief.
    Of course, terrorism is a wrong approach, and I don't believe that the end justifies the means, and nor does Islam.
    Islam asks people to stand up for their religion, but it has never proposed or agreed to terrorism as a solution. Therefore, my religion has done nothing to you westerners. If you want me to appologise to what a group of misguided and angry people who have a wrong understanding of their religion did, then you have my appology.

    About the soldiers in profs photos. They have all been court marshaled and some are preparing to stand trial. That is the way we do things in the west.
    I see what you are hinting at, but what do you propose muslim governments should do? if the united states with the most advanced intelligence agency in the world, and the world's most powerful country cannot catch a man in a cave, do you seriously think that muslim governments can?
    A government can't be held accountable to rebels against it.
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    I think a lot of christians mistakenly think judaism is like christianity. It's not, because they only believe in the old testament (effectively).

    The old testament doesn't contain any of the christian teachings about doing good for your fellow man, just obedience to basic rules. It doesn't teach that you have to treat the people of other nations with any decency at all, but actually encourages you to go ahead and make slaves out of them, if it makes you happy.

    I'm not saying all Jews are bad, by any means. There are good and bad people in every society. I'm just saying that the religion of Judaism most of them believe isn't any more enlightened than Islam.
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    Stb, first i would like to thank you for your clear, honest and thoughtful response (that is in no way meant to be patronising).

    I do believe that the punishments you mentioned earlier to be 'cruel' and i am afraid that i am admittedly prejudiced towards islam but i have not tryed to portray muslims as terrorists, only in the last post could you have got that impression and that was shown in response to your question.....
    whereas when arabs/ iranians/ pakistanis do, you blame Islam, and not " bloody arabs/iranians/ pakistanis"??
    All the other posts and links have been about the treatment of women and freedom of choice. Tell me, does it not bother you when a fellow muslim (prof) comes out with a comment like this ?.......
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    we kill only those who converted and are calling for converting from Islam.
    So its safe to leave islam BUT if you tell other people to do the same we will blow your brains out. Then i provided links to storys about (not terrorists) but muslims murdering women who choose though their own free will to leave the religion of islam.

    Im sorry but i do think that islam is a culture. It is a way of life, a long history with its own laws. In the west people can choose as prof has shown us their own religion or way of life. I can become a christian or a muslim if i like, i can be gay or straight, a woman over here can choose not to marry if thats what she wants. I could go out right now (because im fantastically good looking) met a woman and have casual sex for BOTH our enjoyment. If i did any of that in a muslim country, well there wouldn't be a great deal of me left. And yet muslims do protest (peacefully) in my country with regards to the above outside cinemas, shops and in the street. There are many examples i could give you of islamic leaders in western countrys describing women as meat and sluts etc etc. Is that not a clash of cultures ? So no i don't think i contradicted myself, and yes i do believe that islam is a culture pretending (in the west anyway) to be a religion.

    If you want me to appologise to what a group of misguided and angry people who have a wrong understanding of their religion did, then you have my appology.
    Thats the first time Ive heard a muslim apologies, thank you.

    Stb, its obviously that you are a very smart person who can think for herself, but just try to think for a bit about the women and children who have not had your upbringing or live in one of the more hardlined muslim countrys, they live horrible shitty lives at the hands of their fathers, brothers, husbands, who use the quran as the excuse to make their lives hell. These people are now starting to encroach into my country forming their own community's were us non-believers are not allowed to go, trying to change our laws and ways of life, building a mega-mosque in the centre of London The largest mosque in the west for 400 years add to that people like prof who have tryed to justify the violence all the way though this thread. Perhaps you will understand why i hate your religion so much. I will finish though with a quote from prof someone found in the "Da Vinci Code Broken?" thread and i promise that i will try harder in future to not be so bias.........

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    The conflict has never been between christians and muslims, and it will never be. The conflict is between the muslims and the Israeli Zionists, who believe that violence could be practiced against palestinian muslims...blah blah blah
    Typical Muslim whining. Why not take a sliver of god-forsaken desert and turn it into something useful, like the Israelis did, then let the Palestinians live there? No you would rather send generations of children onto Israeli buses with bombs strapped on them. What kind of treatment do you expect in return?
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    has anyone noticed how easy it is to demonise someone ? that is, until you start seeing them as a real person rather than the mouthpiece for a different ideology ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370
    The conflict has never been between christians and muslims, and it will never be. The conflict is between the muslims and the Israeli Zionists, who believe that violence could be practiced against palestinian muslims...blah blah blah
    Typical Muslim whining. Why not take a sliver of god-forsaken desert and turn it into something useful, like the Israelis did, then let the Palestinians live there? No you would rather send generations of children onto Israeli buses with bombs strapped on them. What kind of treatment do you expect in return?
    I'm not a Muslim, but that comment was wrong and unfounded.
    Whence comes this logic: no evidence = false?

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    hello all,,

    I'm a muslim girl...i read all things have been written so far and saw all that's horrible pics....i just want to say one thing and i hope to make clear coz my english is not good at all...

    First, islam is one of the three holy religions...the last one and 4 ever....islam has based on a love,peace, forgiving and admiring ..not only that but others i dont have enough time or words to describe it... what the west now is seeing and saying it's islam based on what they saw from muslims around the world....let me say that some muslims actions don't relate to islam at all and i think it happens in every religion.. they are saying "we are muslims and we are doing this based on what allah, mahammad(peace be upon him) and Quaran said.it's not wrong at all"....well the one who read and understand what allah , profit mahammad and quaran said , defintly will recognize that it is not wrong at all and it's all great instructions that if we followed we will live in happy and peaceful life...but some muslims misunderstood the instructions of islam and made stuff out of their mind and did some horrible actions then said it's islam.....well; islam didn't base on violence or killing ppl or all other some ppl who are saying they are muslims but actually are not did to non muslims as it is something islam says.....and if we see carefully, non country now are presending the correct islam.. the one profite mohammah come with , that one that called islam...... besides, islam is not applying ppl to become muslims by force that wrong.... allah said and profite mohammad did convince ppl by speaking to them and persuading them with evdences ... and everyone who read the correct history of profite mohammad and appearing of islam not that which made by ppl who hate islam ,but the books written by ppl who take the balance even if he or she is a weastern..

    second,i think you all remmber what Denemark did of abusing to our own profite and the way we responed... we didn't start to talk about jesus and say all that bad things they said ...coz in our religion we respect all profites including jesus...and when we got angred they said it's a part of the freedom in our country which muslims dont have ....well, freedom should not take part of abusing to profites or religions.. Not just that , i think you all remmber few weeks ago in USA , amuseme did a work for jesus from a choclate and it looks nickt..and they were all christian ,, and the ppl there ( christion and muslims) refused that work and asked to close that place...and after being under the stress,, they closed it and the manager didnt like that . he said that it consider as freedom. so what Denemark did is not surprising me really that if they dont respect their profite, sure they won't respect other profites. But in islam we have to respect all profites coz they all sent by allah to show the ppl the correct way to follow.....we muslims chose to follow muhammad( peace be upon him) .christian chose the jesus....so what ??? live ur life and we will live our life.....Everyone can know about religion then has the all right to choose which one he or she wants to follow. Believe it or not allah gave us the choise to be muslims or not and we did choose to be muslims as ur choise was to be christian.




    I have more points to go through but i will back after i see ur response to what i said.....



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    Quote Originally Posted by Neamah
    hello all,,

    I'm a muslim girl...i read all things have been written so far and saw all that's horrible pics....i just want to say one thing and i hope to make clear coz my english is not good at all...

    First, islam is one of the three holy religions...the last one and 4 ever....islam has based on a love,peace, forgiving and admiring ..not only that but others i dont have enough time or words to describe it... what the west now is seeing and saying it's islam based on what they saw from muslims around the world....let me say that some muslims actions don't relate to islam at all and i think it happens in every religion.. they are saying "we are muslims and we are doing this based on what allah, mahammad(peace be upon him) and Quaran said.it's not wrong at all"....well the one who read and understand what allah , profit mahammad and quaran said , defintly will recognize that it is not wrong at all and it's all great instructions that if we followed we will live in happy and peaceful life...but some muslims misunderstood the instructions of islam and made stuff out of their mind and did some horrible actions then said it's islam.....well; islam didn't base on violence or killing ppl or all other some ppl who are saying they are muslims but actually are not did to non muslims as it is something islam says.....and if we see carefully, non country now are presending the correct islam.. the one profite mohammah come with , that one that called islam...... besides, islam is not applying ppl to become muslims by force that wrong.... allah said and profite mohammad did convince ppl by speaking to them and persuading them with evdences ... and everyone who read the correct history of profite mohammad and appearing of islam not that which made by ppl who hate islam ,but the books written by ppl who take the balance even if he or she is a weastern..

    second,i think you all remmber what Denemark did of abusing to our own profite and the way we responed... we didn't start to talk about jesus and say all that bad things they said ...coz in our religion we respect all profites including jesus...and when we got angred they said it's a part of the freedom in our country which muslims dont have ....well, freedom should not take part of abusing to profites or religions.. Not just that , i think you all remmber few weeks ago in USA , amuseme did a work for jesus from a choclate and it looks nickt..and they were all christian ,, and the ppl there ( christion and muslims) refused that work and asked to close that place...and after being under the stress,, they closed it and the manager didnt like that . he said that it consider as freedom. so what Denemark did is not surprising me really that if they dont respect their profite, sure they won't respect other profites. But in islam we have to respect all profites coz they all sent by allah to show the ppl the correct way to follow.....we muslims chose to follow muhammad( peace be upon him) .christian chose the jesus....so what ??? live ur life and we will live our life.....Everyone can know about religion then has the all right to choose which one he or she wants to follow. Believe it or not allah gave us the choise to be muslims or not and we did choose to be muslims as ur choise was to be christian.




    I have more points to go through but i will back after i see ur response to what i said.....



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    I am really gratefull for your post..try to invite your friend to tell this people the truth because they think that we use women as slaves ..Although women in Islam are all the society..

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    Tell me, does it not bother you when a fellow muslim (prof) comes out with a comment like this ?.......
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    we kill only those who converted and are calling for converting from Islam.
    So its safe to leave islam BUT if you tell other people to do the same we will blow your brains out.
    Cat, from an Islamic perspective, telling other people to convert is causing them direct harm. You would be causing them to "stray from the right path", and hence, causing them great emotional harm. Not everybody has strong enough faith. Therefore, like murder, stealing or any other action that causes physical or emotional harm to others, there is a set punishment for it, and in this case, it is death. Now, seeing as you do not agree with the entire set of Islamic laws, I do not see why you would agree on this one either. You have the freedom to choose your own beliefs. You are not free, however, to cause harm to others. And I believe this is so under secular law as well.

    Im sorry but i do think that islam is a culture. It is a way of life, a long history with its own laws.
    it seems we are not going to agree on this point..

    ... a woman over here can choose not to marry if thats what she wants.
    I don't know what gave you the impression that muslim women have to get married. but anyway, to clear this misconception, muslim women do not have to get married, and also, it is against Islam that a father forces his daughter to marry someone without her consent. Furthermore, marriage at a young age is not favourable since Islam considers education to be very important.

    I could go out right now (because im fantastically good looking) met a woman and have casual sex for BOTH our enjoyment. If i did any of that in a muslim country, well there wouldn't be a great deal of me left.
    It is a part of selflessness and common decency to consider the implications that your actions might have on society as a whole. It is well known that casual sex has serious complications mainly pregnancy, and transmission of sexually transferred diseases. Of course, protection can be used, but in countries where poverty is endemic, casual sex has had terrible consequences. You know how AIDS has spread in many African countries.


    ... but just try to think for a bit about the women and children who have not had your upbringing or live in one of the more hardlined muslim countrys, they live horrible shitty lives at the hands of their fathers, brothers, husbands, who use the quran as the excuse to make their lives hell..
    If these people had the slightest idea of what is in the Qura'an, they wouldn't do that. I'm sorry to say that this does happen, but its not because of Islam. It's because of these people's culture, and their inability to accept the concept of equality between men and women that Islam has brought.

    These people are now starting to encroach into my country forming their own community's were us non-believers are not allowed to go, trying to change our laws and ways of life
    Maybe they wouldn't be forming their own communities if you showed them any signs of acceptance in your community.

    and i promise that i will try harder in future to not be so bias.........
    Thank you. I appreciate that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neamah
    we muslims chose to follow muhammad( peace be upon him) .christian chose the jesus....so what ??? live ur life and we will live our life
    But your not... The difference is that Jesus preached peace but Muhammad was a murderer who preached violence. I would like to really talk with you once your allowed to type without a man standing over you.

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    Cat, from an Islamic perspective, telling other people to convert is causing them direct harm. You would be causing them to "stray from the right path", and hence, causing them great emotional harm. Not everybody has strong enough faith. Therefore, like murder, stealing or any other action that causes physical or emotional harm to others, there is a set punishment for it, and in this case, it is death.
    I will keep asking this question until I get a reasonable answer.

    From my perspective telling other people to convert to Islam is causing them direct harm. The two people Prof has written about are doing that. So therefore do I have a right to kill those two people? If not why not, and why do Muslims have the right, but I don't?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettina

    But your not... The difference is that Jesus preached peace but Muhammad was a murderer who preached violence. I would like to really talk with you once your allowed to type without a man standing over you.

    Bettina

    No lady prof muhammad preached peace and love as jesus but even better .... besides who tells u that there is a man standing over muslims girls and that we cant say what we think or we dont have the choise to control our live.....which books did u read ? or who did u asked about that ? or it just word of mouth u hread it and say it without thinking or even making sure that what u r saying is the truth or not ? or it's that hate u hold against islam which made u blind even from saying the right ?????

    im 19 years old girl from djibouti in east africa ....live in qatar now alone in university hostel with other 200 girls from 20 different countries, muslims and christians .... I know that chrstians in europe or america dont know well about islam or have some wrong ideas, but those who r here in arab and muslim countries, they know more about muslims and islam coz they live with us . i have some chrstian and jews proffessores in the university , they all said we had wrong ideas about islam while they were in their countries but now they have a clear idea..U know why??? coz they didnt read books full of hate against islam ,coz they didnt just believe whatever ppl said about islam, coz they just didnt hate islam coz it islam and my parents did, my friends did and everyone here did ..They live with muslims in the same bulidings ,teaching muslims boys and girls and ofcourse know what do we think of about the weast , what our religion based on, why muslim girls wear hijab, why all that happened in the world , what we are saying about all this violence in iraq, afganstan,phalastein.. what happened in america 11/9 , spain and london,????

    and as i said before some muslims actions dont relate to islam ...look at other muslims .Those who introduce the islam correctly . who are muslims mind, body ,heart and speak...

    hope you will undesrtand my point ... think as u do usually .. not by the thoughts or ideas u heard or thought whoever told u or tought u....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370
    Cat, from an Islamic perspective, telling other people to convert is causing them direct harm. You would be causing them to "stray from the right path", and hence, causing them great emotional harm. Not everybody has strong enough faith. Therefore, like murder, stealing or any other action that causes physical or emotional harm to others, there is a set punishment for it, and in this case, it is death.
    I will keep asking this question until I get a reasonable answer.

    From my perspective telling other people to convert to Islam is causing them direct harm. The two people Prof has written about are doing that. So therefore do I have a right to kill those two people? If not why not, and why do Muslims have the right, but I don't?
    Because Islam is a universal religion but other religions was sent to specific people (the sons of israel) .
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    Because Islam is a universal religion but other religions was sent to specific people (the sons of israel) .
    I asked for a reasonable answer but all you can do is quote your religious beliefs. There are plenty of religions that claim to be universal. The word "catholic" means universal. The Bahai faith is a universal religion but is not even recognized as a religion in muslim countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
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    1- your people invaded our lands in the 18th and 19th cetury and made our lands colonies and left us hardly in the 20th century like a skeleton without a flesh.
    Islam's goal is to force everyone on Earth to follow Islamic law. Most people in the western nations don't want that. What choice do the we have, then, but to keep the muslims as destitute as possible?

    If we let them have anything, they will use it to try and force their ways on us. How can you possibly expect, then, that westerners will ever allow that to happen? Are the muslims just plain stupid?

    Let go of the dominance thing, and westerners would be happy to live and let live. If all the leaders of the Islamic religion got together and commanded Muslims not to push their ways on the rest of the world, then there would be peace. That is the one and only way there can ever be peace.[/b]
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    Get rid of religion, get rid of God, and the world will have peace. Until then, each religion thinks it knows which way the world should flow. A very dangerous thinkning, in reality.

    I think I may have given up on the notion of God for now. I have seeked, and asked, and waited. But, if God existed, you think He would have made it easier to contact Him. All the 'faults' of God in this world, seem just as they would be in a world without God. 'It's about faith...it's all in God's timing...whatever else.
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