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  1. #1 Koran, Major Problems (+100 inconsistint verses) 
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    Internal Contradictions:

    1. Who suffers loss if Muhammad was wrong? Sura 34:50 commands Muhammad to say, "If I go astray, I go astray only to my own loss," which is a severe factual error in the Qur'an as well as contradicting the teaching of the Qur'an in a number of other verses.
    2. Allah, Adam, and the Angels. There are a great number of problems and inconsistencies between the several accounts of Adam's creation, Allah's command to prostrate before Adam, Satans refusal, etc.
    3. Who Was the First Muslim? Muhammad [6:14, 163], Moses [7:143], some Egyptians [26:51], or Abraham [2:127-133, 3:67] or Adam, the first man who also received inspiration from Allah [2:37]?
    4. Can Allah be seen and did Muhammad see his Lord? Yes [S. 53:1-18, 81:15-29], No [6:102-103, 42:51].
    5. Were Warners Sent to All Mankind Before Muhammad? Allah had supposedly sent warners to every people [10:47, 16:35-36, 35:24], Abraham and Ishmael are specifically claimed to have visited Mecca and built the Kaaba [2:125-129]. Yet, Muhammad supposedly is sent to a people who never had a messenger before [28:46, 32:3, 34:44, 36:2-6]. This article also raises other issues: What about Hud and Salih who supposedly were sent to the Arabs? What about the Book that was supposedly given to Ishmael? Etc.
    6. What will be the food for the people in Hell? The food for the people in Hell will be only "Dhari" [Sura 88:6], or only foul pus from the washing of wounds [S. 69:36], or will they also get to eat from the tree of Zaqqum [S. 37:66]? Together, these verses constitute three contradictions.
    7. Can Angels Cause the Death of People? The Qur'an attacks those who worship anyone besides God (e.g. angels or prophets) because those can neither create, nor give life, nor cause anyone to die. Yet, the Qur'an explicitly states that one angel or several angels are causing certain people to die [Sura 4:97, 16:28, 32, 32:11].
    8. Confusion Concerning Identity of the Spirit and Gabriel (a long discussion of dozens of references)
    9. 'Iddah rules for divorced and widowed women appear to be arbitrary and inconsistent.
    10. Is there a minimum age of marriage for girls?
    11. To Marry or Not to Marry? The Qur'an forbids believers to marry idolatrous women [Sura 2:221], and calls Christians idolaters and unbelievers [9:28-33], but still allows Muslims to marry Christian women [5:5].
    12. Will it be accepted of them or not?
    13. Will Allah reward the good deeds of Unbelievers? S. 9:17 and 9:69 clearly say no. However, S. 99:7 implies yes. Moreover, S. 2:62 promises Christians reward for their good deeds. But S. 9:28-33; 5:17, 72-73 calls Christians idolaters, and S. 9:17 is very clear that idolaters will have no reward.
    14. Should Muslims Accept Peace or Not?
    15. Can They Disbelieve in the Last Day and be Safe?
    16. Should Muslims show kindness to their parents? On the one hand, the Quran commands all Muslims to show kindness to their parents, even if they are disbelievers [17:23-24, 31:14-15, 29:8, etc.]. On the other hand, it demands not to show any love or friendship to those who oppose Muhammad, even if they are their parents [9:23, 58:22].
    17. Can one be a believer in God and oppose Muhammad at the same time?
    18. How many mothers does a Muslim have? Only one [58:2, the woman who gave birth and none else], or two [4:23, including the mother who nursed him], or at least ten [33:6]?
    19. And it just doesn't add up: Sura 4:11-12 and 4:176 state the Qur'anic inheritance law. When a man dies, and is leaving behind three daughters, his two parents and his wife, they will receive the respective shares of 2/3 for the 3 daughters together, 1/3 for the parents together [both according to verse 4:11] and 1/8 for the wife [4:12] which adds up to more than the available estate. A second example: A man leaves only his mother, his wife and two sisters, then they receive 1/3 [mother, 4:11], 1/4 [wife, 4:12] and 2/3 [the two sisters, 4:176], which again adds up to 15/12 of the available property.
    20. How many angels were talking to Mary? When the Qur'an speaks about the announciation of the birth of Jesus to the virgin Mary, Sura 3:42,45 speaks about (several) angels while it is only one in Sura 19:17-21.
    21. Further numerical discrepancies Does Allah's day equal to 1,000 human years (Sura 22:47, 32:5) or 50,000 human years (Sura 70:4)? --- According to Sura 56:7 there will be THREE distinct groups of people at the Last Judgement, but 90:18-19, 99:6-8, etc. mention only TWO groups. --- There are conflicting views on who takes the souls at death: THE Angel of Death [32:11], THE angels (plural) [47:27] but also "It is Allah that takes the souls (of men) at death." [39:42] Angels have 2, 3, or 4 pairs of wings [35:1]; but Gabriel had 600 wings. [Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 455]
    22. How many days did Allah need to destroy the people of Aad? One day [54:19] or several days [41:16; 69:6,7]
    23. Six or eight days of creation? Sura 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, and 25:59 clearly state that God created "the heavens and the earth" in six days. But in 41:9-12 the detailed description of the creation procedure adds up to eight days.
    24. Quick or Slow Creation? Allah creates the heavens and the earth in six days [7:54] and many Muslims want to be modern and scientific, and make that six eons, but then again, He creates instantaneously [2:117], "Be! And it is".
    25. Heavens or Earth? Which was created first? First earth and then heaven [2:29], heaven and after that earth [79:27-30].
    26. Calling together or ripping apart? In the process of creation heaven and earth were first apart and are called to come together [41:11], while 21:30 states that they were originally one piece and then ripped apart.
    27. What was man created from? A blood clot [96:1-2], water [21:30, 24:45, 25:54], "sounding" (i.e. burned) clay [15:26], dust [3:59, 30:20, 35:11], nothing [19:67] and this is then denied in 52:35, earth [11:61], a drop of thickened fluid [16:4, 75:37]
    28. Fully Detailed Or Incomplete? The Qur'an claims for itself to be (fully) detailed, that nothing is left out of the book [6:38, 6:114, 12:111, 16:89 etc.]. However there are plenty of important issues which are left unclear in the Qur'an. This article discusses the confusion found in the quranic statements on wine.
    29. Worshiping the Same or a Different God? Muhammad is commanded to speak to the disbelievers: ... nor do you worship what I worship [109:3]. However, other verses in the Qur'an state clearly that those disbelieving his message are in fact worshiping the same God, Allah.
    30. To Intercede or Not To Intercede? - That is the Question! The Qur'an makes contradictory statements whether on the Day of Judgment intercession will be possible. No: [2:122-123, 254; 6:51; 82:18-19; etc.]. Yes: [20:109; 34:23; 43:86; 53:26; etc.]. Each position can be further supported by ahadith.
    31. Where is Allah and his throne? Allah is nearer than the jugular vein [50:16], but he is also on the throne [57:4] which is upon the water [11:7], and at the same time so far away, that it takes between 1,000 and 50,000 years to reach him [32:5, 70:4].
    32. The origin of calamity? Is the evil in our life from Satan [38:41], Ourselves [4:79], or Allah [4:78]?
    33. How merciful is Allah's mercy? He has prescribed mercy for himself [6:12], yet he does not guide some, even though he could [6:35, 14:4].
    34. Does Allah command to do evil? No [7:28, 16:90]. Yes [17:16, ]. Two examples are also given, where Allah clearly commanded or permitted indecent actions [2:229-230, 2:187].
    35. Should Muhammad Get Paid Or Shouldn’t He?
    36. Will there be inquiry in Paradise? "neither will they question one another" [23:101] but nevertheless they will be "engaging in mutual inquiry" [52:25], "and they will ... question one another" [37:27].
    37. Are angels protectors? "NO protector besides Allah" [2:107, 29:22]. But in Sura 41:31 the angels themselves say: "We are your protectors in this life and the Hereafter." And also in other suras is their role described as guarding [13:11, 50:17-18] and protecting [82:10].
    38. Is Allah the only Wali? On the one hand, Allah is supposedly the only wali (protector, helper, friend) [9:116, 17:111, 32:4, 42:28], on the other hand, the messenger and the believers are walis [5:55, 9:71], Allah has walis [10:62], and he raises walis [4:75].
    39. Are all obedient and prostrating to Allah? That is the claim in 16:49 and 30:26, but dozens of verses speak of the proud disobedience of Satan [7:11, 15:28-31, 17:61, 20:116, 38:71-74, 18:50] as well of many different human beings who reject His commands and His revelations.
    40. Does Allah forgive shirk? Shirk is considered the worst of all sins, but the author of the Qur'an seems unable to decide if Allah will ever forgive it or not. No [4:48, 116], Yes [4:153, 25:68-71]. Abraham committed this sin of polytheism as he takes moon, sun, stars to be his Lord [6:76-78], yet Muslims believe that all prophets are without any sin.


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    do you happen to have a bee in your bonnet about islam ?


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    I think he does but religion isn't as bad as spamming.

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    One of the mistakes people commonly make in their examinations of religious texts is to attempt to apply the words in a modern context. This is, of course, understandable, since the faithful believe the words to be eternal. However, those of us who do not hold such assertions are aware that these texts were written within indentifiable historical contexts. The inconsistencies of any one holy book appear in a different context when we examine them from our modern perspective.

    The idea of an original historical context makes sense whether or not you believe in any given book. Even if we presume that God actually was communicating through Muhammad, it is problematic to presume that God would express things that transcend the target audience's capabilities.

    Analogously, we might consider the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. While the founding fathers might split on assault rifles, it would be difficult to imagine them agreeing that every citizen should be entitled to own and discharge per necessity nuclear weapons.

    The questions we fiind in the Koran that suggest its incompleteness or error stand out especially in the modern context. It is well enough to assert that what seems glaring to us may not have occurred to the people at the time: aspects of modern life create the questions that allow us to declare an inconsistency.

    God may well have not been looking so far forward: it well could be God's intent that we never should have crossed the oceans, built airplanes and nuclear bombs, or the implemented the internet. It well could be that the reason the Koran or any holy book seems erroneous in the modern context is that things never shoud have gone this far.

    Such are the mysteries of God. The mysteries of history, as such, are an entirely different matter. I'm unsure where to look for such examination of Islamic ideas, but tertiary historical analyses of Christianity by Burton, Pagels, and Armstrong at least, suggest what I'm describing as it relates to the Christian experience. I would be surprised if Islam managed to avoid similar communicative degradations.
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    I think you are more stupid than what a person can. all words you have used show that you wanna be in a war with islam and you don't even search whether things you say are true or not...I think you have another kinda problems. all prophets were in fact muslims. when they say Ebraham was muslim either Nouh was or any other prophet it means they have believed in islam cause it is the main and completed religion of all of them but when they say Muhammad is the 1st one who brings islam it means the 1st person btw you know ebraham or nouh were both dead when muhamma came for islam. not an angel has this ability to kill a person but we have a diying angel which is Izrael. he cant kill people but GOD tells him go give their sprits. it doesn't mean that he makes them die nor he is the reason they die. god has mentioned that the gods people deny me believe in cant do anything like idols they can never give you life nor make you die .. you can not understand such a clear thing and you dare talking this way about islam? such an idiot. you hsave translated all sentences from Quran wrong!!! i'm wondering how a person lets him\her self talk bullshits like you...
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    Utter drivel. You are guilty of the very things you accuse others of. But then religious apologists always are...
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    Quote Originally Posted by montazar View Post
    I think you are more stupid than what a person can. all words you have used show that you wanna be in a war with islam and you don't even search whether things you say are true or not...I think you have another kinda problems. all prophets were in fact muslims. when they say Ebraham was muslim either Nouh was or any other prophet it means they have believed in islam cause it is the main and completed religion of all of them but when they say Muhammad is the 1st one who brings islam it means the 1st person btw you know ebraham or nouh were both dead when muhamma came for islam. not an angel has this ability to kill a person but we have a diying angel which is Izrael. he cant kill people but GOD tells him go give their sprits. it doesn't mean that he makes them die nor he is the reason they die. god has mentioned that the gods people deny me believe in cant do anything like idols they can never give you life nor make you die .. you can not understand such a clear thing and you dare talking this way about islam? such an idiot. you hsave translated all sentences from Quran wrong!!! i'm wondering how a person lets him\her self talk bullshits like you...
    I have always understood there is a fair amount of ambiguity in a lot of the verses of the Koran. Certainly when I used to listen to explanations on the TV in Dubai, it seemed that quite a lot of it was rather vague - beautiful poetry when read in Arabic, but not straight forward to interpret.

    But in any case you are replying to a thread that has been dead for ten years. None of the original participants is still around.
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    This thread is from 10 years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by montazar View Post
    you dare talking this way about islam?
    For one, you're replying to a thread that's over a decade old. Two, a person can talk about Islam anyway they want (in most countries and online). Like I can say Islam is stupid. I can also say Christianity is stupid as well. Because those are my opinions. People are entitled to such, even if you disagree with them. Personally I think all religion is bullshit and basically a con job.

    Quote Originally Posted by montazar View Post
    i'm wondering how a person lets him\her self talk bullshits like you...
    I'm wondering how a person like you can criticize another on the internet for sounding like an idiot when you yourself sound like at least the Duke of Idiots. Although your tone does come off as frothing at the mouth in rage, so that doesn't help matters.
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