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  1. #1 Writing about Good Doesn't Sell Bibles 
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    Does anyone else find the Christian God behaves either as a spoiled bullying brat, a murderous spiteful psychopath or the essence of everything that's good? When we ruin His plans it usually results in some kind of violent retribution against us. Personally I don't think He's psycho but He has a violent infantile temper as evident with His death tally as it is written in the Bible. How much of what we read is the truth? God's kind of like the kid who realizes he's losing a board game and then kicks the board so the gamepieces' positions are lost to memory, ending the game before he loses. Only in this game He simply kills to ensure He stays unbeaten. But when He kills, He's doing good, how is this possible?

    Why is it important that we obey God? Improving one's odds of staying alive comes to mind. If we all obeyed there might not have been much to write about. Would there even have been a Christ? This is the first time I've realized that the Bible is like a daily newspaper. Sensationalism and stories of violence take precedence over the dull good stuff. Those Bible writers were merely reporters. Now I can't believe half of what I hear on the news, so should I feel the same way when I read the Bible? Is God really the spectre of good that we read about or perhaps He's totally fabricated from the fertile minds of Bible authors.

    In one way it would take some of the heat off God if He is being embellished. Maybe He's not as bad as we think but I guess He could also be worse. Either way it depends on how the writer wants Him portrayed.


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    I'm impressed. I don't even take the time to capitalize God's personal pronoun, and I'm an actual Christian.


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    Reading that bought to mind the 'god' Zelos.

    Do you not think it is the same with humans, supporters only find the good, opposers only the 'evil' - Although an atheist my reading of the bible (back in the middle of the last century) - led me to believe more of a Jekyll and Hyde character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    Does anyone else find the Christian God behaves either as a spoiled bullying brat, a murderous spiteful psychopath.....
    You can stop right there. If a God does exist, then he has to be all of those to make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettina
    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    Does anyone else find the Christian God behaves either as a spoiled bullying brat, a murderous spiteful psychopath.....
    You can stop right there. If a God does exist, then he has to be all of those to make sense.

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    I think so. Doesn't it seem at least slightly odd that God destroys and kills? 6 days to put up a masterpiece and then spend at lot of effort to tear it down. Maybe it wasn't as good as it was made out to be. If a creating God said its good, did anybody hear it?

    Why did God want all his deadly exploits put in the Bible? How would the Bible sound if the divine violence was edited out? I think it might be pretty boring stuff. Something like 'Be good and stay that way' ought to cover everything. You know, without God's rants and rampages, the Bible is dull reading. Maybe the ancient scribes realized this and made the Bible more interesting.

    When I picked up a children's Bible one day and saw a picture of David standing over a headless torso, while the head was impaled on the end of a long sharp stick he was holding, it was obvious that the Christian elders had deemed this suitable for children. There is no censorship for the Bible, how come? How would you rate it, X, Adult Accompaniment, PG14, Family, Children?
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    True I really agree.
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    I can sum up all the commandments in the bible into one

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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
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    Does anyone else find the Christian God behaves either as a spoiled bullying brat, a murderous spiteful psychopath.....
    You can stop right there. If a God does exist, then he has to be all of those to make sense.

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    I think so. Doesn't it seem at least slightly odd that God destroys and kills? 6 days to put up a masterpiece and then spend at lot of effort to tear it down. Maybe it wasn't as good as it was made out to be. If a creating God said its good, did anybody hear it?

    Why did God want all his deadly exploits put in the Bible? How would the Bible sound if the divine violence was edited out? I think it might be pretty boring stuff. Something like 'Be good and stay that way' ought to cover everything. You know, without God's rants and rampages, the Bible is dull reading. Maybe the ancient scribes realized this and made the Bible more interesting.

    When I picked up a children's Bible one day and saw a picture of David standing over a headless torso, while the head was impaled on the end of a long sharp stick he was holding, it was obvious that the Christian elders had deemed this suitable for children. There is no censorship for the Bible, how come? How would you rate it, X, Adult Accompaniment, PG14, Family, Children?
    The only way it makes sense is if God was just a story.

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    I just want to point out that the God you were talking about doesn't exclusively belong to Christianity. It pisses me off when people mock the God of the Old Testament thinking only of Christianity when Judaism is also involved.

    Christianity is about the Trinity God, people. Don't forget to mock Jesus and the Holy Spirit now. Otherwise, your attempt at criticizing Christianity is as invalid as it is ignorant.

    Edit: Speaking of which, I also dislike a really strange yet common logic that goes along the line of "Jesus is not divine; therefore, God doesn't exist." Coming from people who claim to be smart, that's just sensational...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettina
    The only way it makes sense is if God was just a story.

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    Apparently a lot of people think otherwise and that sets up the obvious question, 'Why does the story of God make sense to anyone?'

    In an amazing twist God comes out of this story looking like a champion for the people despite inflicting egregious harm upon humanity. It borders on the macabre, a tale of unspeakable horror in which the main character masquerades as a benevolent being. Satan is a choirboy in comparison. It has to be that way in order to grab a reader's attention. I wonder how many read the good book and had their hair stand on end. It is one scary collection of frightening literature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    Quote Originally Posted by Bettina
    The only way it makes sense is if God was just a story.

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    Apparently a lot of people think otherwise and that sets up the obvious question, 'Why does the story of God make sense to anyone?'

    In an amazing twist God comes out of this story looking like a champion for the people despite inflicting egregious harm upon humanity. It borders on the macabre, a tale of unspeakable horror in which the main character masquerades as a benevolent being. Satan is a choirboy in comparison. It has to be that way in order to grab a reader's attention. I wonder how many read the good book and had their hair stand on end. It is one scary collection of frightening literature.
    Exactly. Which is why its a good horror story. When your young, your taught the God story as if it was written by someone like Walt Disney, but as you grow older and read about the rapes of little girls, and seeing the murders, wars, genocide, etc, you realize it was written by someone like Stephen King.

    However, many are frightened, so they blame the bad parts on Satan. :wink:

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    I don't think there is any doubt that bibles are written to intentionally frighten the reader.
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    I'm an atheist but always thought the Christian image of the god-dude a disturbed individual. Somewhat of an egomaniac demanding absolute worship. He must lack self confidence.

    If there was some god fellow I think the last thing he'd want, if he was intelligent, was a bunch of ass kissers and toadies fawning all over his every word. God would prefer to invite great thinkers and %$^& disturbers in history to his B.B.Q... share a beer with Darwin and Hitler, Einstein and Marx, Oscar Wilde and George Orwell. I can't see him having any deep conversation with Gerry Falwell, the Pope or Mother Theresa...he'd die of boredom and have to ressurect himself again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jellyologist
    I can't see him having any deep conversation with Gerry Falwell, the Pope or Mother Theresa...he'd die of boredom and have to ressurect himself again.
    Amen brother. Excellent, can't help but like your style.
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    Well i believe that God is jus a higer entity being than us.....he's jus some1 we pray to when we are hoping for some miracle to happen( or some religious reasons pray to enter heaven or some place similar). I think that we're like some ant hill that God created and although he may have limitless power over us, he can't possibly put his hands into every single of our problems. N yeah, with that much power obviously u would feel arrogant n punish thoese who goes against u. Also most of u should hav noticed by now that God is neither good nor evil n this crappy world is never fair. We're born unequal beings , wut goes up doesn't necessarily hav to come down, n not all good will be rewarded, not all bad will be punish.

    So, jus live wif it, maybe u can go file a complaint to ur God when u die.... no point praying n complaining everyday, he'll jus get pissed n befall u wif something bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    Either way it depends on how the writer wants Him portrayed.
    ...or what the reader wants to believe for that matter...

    I seriously doubt that people come to the conclusion that God is evil based on the Biblical account alone. It seems obvious to me that people simply find what they are looking for. Those who believe in a loving God assume there are good reasons for the events in the Bible, while those who do not believe in a loving God assume there are no good reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchellmckain

    Those who believe in a loving God assume there are good reasons for the events in the Bible, while those who do not believe in a loving God assume there are no good reasons.
    Assumptions? Couldn't agree more. Not a definitive text but a book that let's you imagine ala The Brothers Grimm . There is no wrong nor right, simply the power of the written word.

    I wonder if it takes more imagination to assume the Bible is genuine then to see it as just a story. I think it safe to say no two imaginations are alike and people will see the Bible for their own worth.

    If we assume something to be true then are we not fooling ourselves? Isn't faith an assumption? Shouldn't the most powerful force in existence be capable of delivering facts in such a way assumptions aren't necessary?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jellyologist
    I'm an atheist but always thought the Christian image of the god-dude a disturbed individual. Somewhat of an egomaniac demanding absolute worship. He must lack self confidence.

    If there was some god fellow I think the last thing he'd want, if he was intelligent, was a bunch of ass kissers and toadies fawning all over his every word. God would prefer to invite great thinkers and %$^& disturbers in history to his B.B.Q... share a beer with Darwin and Hitler, Einstein and Marx, Oscar Wilde and George Orwell. I can't see him having any deep conversation with Gerry Falwell, the Pope or Mother Theresa...he'd die of boredom and have to ressurect himself again.
    Great description! LOL I also like the part about how He wants us to kneel down and prostrate ourselves before him when we praise Him! And if we don't, he throws us to the flames to roast forever! Nice guy! And in all that mass of doos and don'ts of the Bible, he has only ten that decently serve us (it isn't the ones about how to punish your slave, to play with snakes and speak in tongues) but even in those ten, he has three of them focussed only on Himself! What ego!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    Assumptions? Couldn't agree more. Not a definitive text but a book that let's you imagine ala The Brothers Grimm . There is no wrong nor right, simply the power of the written word.
    No right or wrong? Can I assume you are talking about the rightness or wrongness of a text rather than the broader unrelated question of ethics? If so, then I am happy to see an agreement between us. My approach to Bible is based on the power of the written word which derives just as much value from my favorite fantasy and science fiction novels as it does the Bible. In my own commitment to Christianity, my acceptance by faith in the authority of the Bible, refers only to an authority over myself and only concerning what is properly Christian.

    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    I wonder if it takes more imagination to assume the Bible is genuine then to see it as just a story. I think it safe to say no two imaginations are alike and people will see the Bible for their own worth.
    The question of "genuine"-ness is not one of great significance to me. And in the phrase, "just a story", I see an attitude for which I have contempt. I believe in the power of stories, in which can be found more truth than the indigestable abstract "truths" and "facts" that people like to chant like mantras.

    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    If we assume something to be true then are we not fooling ourselves? Isn't faith an assumption? Shouldn't the most powerful force in existence be capable of delivering facts in such a way assumptions aren't necessary?
    We are most definitely fooling ourselves all the time. Some people like to delude themselves into thinking that they are not. But the truth is that we simply make choices about what assumptions we live our lives according to. For the one choice that we do not have in living is one of not making assumptions, for that only brings paralysis. Some of us are able, however, to see beyond our own personal choice of assumptions, to appreciate the choices of others.

    And therein lies the answer to your accusation against "the most powerful force in existence". There is no doubt that God can indeed act against our basic nature to annihilate life with all its inherent uncertainties, but that would be a rather pointless thing for the creator of life to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchellmckain
    And therein lies the answer to your accusation against "the most powerful force in existence". There is no doubt that God can indeed act against our basic nature to annihilate life with all its inherent uncertainties, but that would be a rather pointless thing for the creator of life to do.
    Then all God has to do is start the creation process and the rest will take care of itself. That is about the closest I can ever get to assuming God exists. He doesn't need to interfere in whatever way we imagine he could or already has. It is we, the people of Earth, who have invented fantastic tales promoting God's existence even though we have absolutely no facts to back it up.

    Bibles, religions, theists, atheists et al, are merely primordial ooze. There is no plan or blueprint, just let's see what happens. As far as we know its taken God 15 billion years or so just to get us almost right. Did God work 15 billion years just to make something close to what He wanted? No friggin' way. If God is up there then I can understand His frustration at failure. You might assume that God had faith, not only in His 15 billion years of labor being successful, but in the final product, assuming its us.

    God, if He is still around, hasn't created one thing. He flicked the switch possibly but after that let nature take its course. With all that has happened in 15 billion years it seems totally insane to assume God was waiting for this moment to finally connect with us. It kind of renders anything that preceeded us to nothing more than a turd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
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    Bibles, religions, theists, atheists et al, are merely primordial ooze. There is no plan or blueprint, just let's see what happens.
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    God, if He is still around, hasn't created one thing. He flicked the switch possibly but after that let nature take its course.
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    The creation of living things is not a matter of design. It is a participatory relationship. This either/or presentation of creation versus evolution is ridiculous. Are the tomatoes in the grocery store manufactured in a factory according to the blueprints of engineers, or did the tomatoes come into existence by themselves as a result of chance and the laws of nature. Niether. The tomatoes would not be there if it were not for a farmer who did not design them but cared for the them and perhaps even bred them for the traits that he desired. This breeding is not a design process but much more like teaching. So are all examples of the creation of living things for that is part of what it means to be alive, that living things MUST be created in this manner. Living things participate in their own creation BUT their development is NOT independent of their environment but is wide open to be influenced by things outside themselves, including farmers, breeders and teachers.
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