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Thread: The Curse of Tippecanoe. Is there any evidence that is was true?

  1. #1 The Curse of Tippecanoe. Is there any evidence that is was true? 
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    When I first heard about this curse it fascinated me, since having some sympathy of the North American Indians.

    Was this curse destined to go on forever?

    Ronald Reagan was the first president since William Harrison 1840 that did not die in office of elected president.

    As a Christian we have had examples of curses recorded in the New Testament. So we can't just deny curses.

    So what is the truth about this? Has anyone studied the effect scientifically?

    Curse of Tippecanoe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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    Yes we can deny curses. When you start counting failed assassination attempts it gets pretty meaningless. The rest can be chalked up to coincidence.
    List of United States presidential assassination attempts and plots - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    Yes we can deny curses. When you start counting failed assassination attempts it gets pretty meaningless. The rest can be chalked up to coincidence.
    List of United States presidential assassination attempts and plots - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Are you denying curses from an atheistic or Christian point of view?

    Maybe failed attempts don't count.

    It is a scary job being the president. Is it a death wish?
    I hadn't heard about that hand grenade thrown at George Bush Jnr.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    Yes we can deny curses. When you start counting failed assassination attempts it gets pretty meaningless. The rest can be chalked up to coincidence.
    List of United States presidential assassination attempts and plots - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Are you denying curses from an atheistic or Christian point of view?

    Maybe failed attempts don't count.
    Atheism or Christianity don't have anything to do with it. If you believe in this curse, that would probably be considered unChristian, because it relates to some pagan deity or religion, not Christianity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    Yes we can deny curses. When you start counting failed assassination attempts it gets pretty meaningless. The rest can be chalked up to coincidence.
    List of United States presidential assassination attempts and plots - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Are you denying curses from an atheistic or Christian point of view?

    Maybe failed attempts don't count.
    He's denying curses from a scientific point of view, robbitybob1.

    Why are you so quick to embrace woo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tk421 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    Yes we can deny curses. When you start counting failed assassination attempts it gets pretty meaningless. The rest can be chalked up to coincidence.
    List of United States presidential assassination attempts and plots - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Are you denying curses from an atheistic or Christian point of view?

    Maybe failed attempts don't count.
    He's denying curses from a scientific point of view, robittybob1.

    Why are you so quick to embrace woo?
    Robittybob: 2 ts and just 1 b in the Robitty bit.

    A scientific view would be based on science. An atheistic point of view would just be the denial that anything like that could happen. A Christian point of view might be that there should be no cursing, but I was aware of two instances of cursing in the New Testament, so I can't outright say there is NO such a thing as a curse. It is weird though from a Christian point of view!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    Yes we can deny curses. When you start counting failed assassination attempts it gets pretty meaningless. The rest can be chalked up to coincidence.
    List of United States presidential assassination attempts and plots - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Are you denying curses from an atheistic or Christian point of view?

    Maybe failed attempts don't count.
    Atheism or Christianity don't have anything to do with it. If you believe in this curse, that would probably be considered unChristian, because it relates to some pagan deity or religion, not Christianity.
    That could be an argument. All I remember was that the Full Gospel Business Men Fellowship International (FGBMFI) were praying that the curse would end when George Bush was elected. They seemed to take it somewhat seriously at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    Robittybob: 2 ts and just 1 b in the Robitty bit.

    A scientific view would be based on science. An atheistic point of view would just be the denial that anything like that could happen. A Christian point of view might be that there should be no cursing, but I was aware of two instances of cursing in the New Testament, so I can't outright say there is NO such a thing as a curse. It is weird though from a Christian point of view!
    Of course there is such a thing as a curse.

    Ten or so just flooded into my brain just reading your posts in this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquille View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    Robittybob: 2 ts and just 1 b in the Robitty bit.

    A scientific view would be based on science. An atheistic point of view would just be the denial that anything like that could happen. A Christian point of view might be that there should be no cursing, but I was aware of two instances of cursing in the New Testament, so I can't outright say there is NO such a thing as a curse. It is weird though from a Christian point of view!
    Of course there is such a thing as a curse.

    Ten or so just flooded into my brain just reading your posts in this thread.
    No wonder I'm feeling so ill.

    Curse of Tippecanoe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia now that is interesting. Where is the scientific proof? How Reagan didn't flood the reservation ... that might have been enough to give him the edge. OK it is a bit woo woo but that's me.

    I'm satisfied the curse is over.
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    Oh, my paws and whiskers.
    "Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen." Winston Churchill
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    Oh, my paws and whiskers.
    I've never heard that expression B4.
    This is an amazing documentary about Tecumseh. "Tecumseh's Vision - We Shall Remain"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    ... we can't just deny curses.
    Yes, we can. More importantly, when examining a phenomenon from a scientific standpoint, we should.
    "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." -Calvin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    ... we can't just deny curses.
    Yes, we can. More importantly, when examining a phenomenon from a scientific standpoint, we should.
    I've just finished that documentary on Tecumseh. IMO the lost of a President every 20 years .......

    Now curses can be denied, you can if you want to.

    Night folks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    IMO the lost of a President every 20 years .......
    .....hasn't happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPanda View Post
    .....hasn't happened.
    He might be counting in dog years.
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    I'd love to be able to put a curse on someone -- a curse that would prevent that person from posting woo on an internet forum . . . forever!
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    You say curses are a Christian thing? Well that's cool, I'll just convert to a different religion and then I'll be immune.
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    Not killed
    Not killed
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    Heart attack/Stroke
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    It is even less of a pattern when you look at the causes of death (or not).
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    I've never heard that expression B4.
    It's an abbreviated version of part of the White Rabbit's frantic searching for a fan and gloves fearing the Queen's wrath.

    Oh my dear paws! Oh my fur and whiskers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    No wonder I'm feeling so ill.
    Probably from the diet of woo woo and BS you have been feeding yourself.

    Not really. It wasn't interesting in your OP either.

    Where is the scientific proof? How Reagan didn't flood the reservation ... that might have been enough to give him the edge. OK it is a bit woo woo but that's me.
    There is no scientific proof because it is a made up and not real.
    I'm satisfied the curse is over.
    No. I am still cursing.


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    There's zero evidence that curses are true.....and no science to thinking they might be even if there was perfect correlation because you'd still need a working hypothesis which includes some sort of natural explanation.

    Robbity you don't seem to have even the most rudimentary idea about what science is, does or how it works.

    Considering trashing this since it has nothing do with the science of religion. Robbity, an example of a thread closer to science might be a study which explores the beliefs of Christians about curses and its change over time--not whether they are real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
    I'd love to be able to put a curse on someone -- a curse that would prevent that person from posting woo on an internet forum . . . forever!
    Like that would be evidence; would it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquille View Post
    No. I am still cursing.


    Strange isn't it how the ones who don't believe in cursing, curse and those, like myself, who sort of believe in cursing do their very best never to curse!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    There's zero evidence that curses are true.....and no science to thinking they might be even if there was perfect correlation because you'd still need a working hypothesis which includes some sort of natural explanation.

    Robbity you don't seem to have even the most rudimentary idea about what science is, does or how it works.

    Considering trashing this since it has nothing do with the science of religion. Robbity, an example of a thread closer to science might be a study which explores the beliefs of Christians about curses and its change over time--not whether they are real.
    As I said earlier I now believe the Curse of Tippecanoe is finished.

    Let's try and explore the "beliefs of Christians about curses and its change over time" that is a good idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
    You say curses are a Christian thing? Well that's cool, I'll just convert to a different religion and then I'll be immune.
    It might be human nature to curse? So all religions could have it. Pavlos might be able to fill us in on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    I've never heard that expression B4.
    It's an abbreviated version of part of the White Rabbit's frantic searching for a fan and gloves fearing the Queen's wrath.

    Oh my dear paws! Oh my fur and whiskers!

    4 - Alice's Adventures in Wonderland - Lewis Carroll (1832-1898)
    I've got to go. I'm going to be late.
    Thanks for all the colourful responses folks, you've all made me laugh this morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post

    As I said earlier I now believe the Curse of Tippecanoe is finished.
    Is it possible to end before even beginning?

    Let's try and explore the "beliefs of Christians about curses and its change over time" that is a good idea.
    No, lets not.
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