
Originally Posted by
Zelos
if you are religius and belive in the creation story then god created evil
But I am religious and believe in the creation story but do not believe God created evil. God created life, and the possibility for evil is inherent in the nature of life, but that is not the same thing.

Originally Posted by
charles brough
God "understands" evil because he brags about creating it! See Isah. 45:7
The Bible I quoted is called the "Authorized King James Verson" and is the most widely used one in the world. Which Bible have you resorted to?
Different translations sure come in handy for the faithfull!
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think it is hilarious the way some people quote the Bible to "prove" things, when they actually do not even believe that the Bible should be taken seriously.
Of course the Bible should be taken seriously! Someting like a billion people claim to believe its old myths and miracles. In them is a real good history of a few Jewish Tribes and an account of a anti-Roman revolutionary who tried to start a riot in The Temple, got caught and was executed. I am glad you find it all "hilarious."!

Originally Posted by
Isaiha 45:7
I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I the Lord, do all these things.
Obviously my translation reads differently, so we should look at the context to see which translation makes sense. Isaiha is one of the two prophets predicting the impending doom of Babylon destroying the nation of Israel and enslaving its people. In Isaiha 39 the king Hezekiah has pridefully shown all of his wealth to visitors from Babylon, complacent in his faith that God will protect Israel. In Isaiha 44 it speaks of God shaping the nation of Israel and compares it to the craftmanship of men, who strangely will worship the things they have made. But unlike them, God is not bound to serve what He has created and will return it to the forge for reshaping. So it is that this complacency of Israel and the king is unfounded because God will visit calamity upon His people for their reproof.

Originally Posted by
Isaiha 45:8-9
Rain down, you heavens from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness; let the earth open , let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together. I the Lord, have created it. Woe to him who strives with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth! Shall the clay say to him who forms it, 'What are you making?' Or shall your handiwork say, 'He has no hands?'I see no prideful claim by God to have created evil here
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Those who are "immoral" pursue habits in disregard to their own well being, but those who are evil pursue habits in disregard to the well being of others.
Do you really believe that? It isn't immoral to harm others? That is what your are saying.

Originally Posted by
charles brough
The same is with "sacred," "sin," "holy," and even "truth." All these are holdbacks from ancient time and all interere with clear and accurate scientific thought. We never seek "truth" but ACCURACY.
We? You claim to be a scientist? Scientists do not indulge in such rhetoric to condemn things which nothing that is objectively observable can either confirm or deny. It is not the method of science to make unfounded judgements about what it observes based on personal prejudices. That is more like the method of religion. A scientific approach to the study of religion would spend much more time making objective observations about the practice and behavior of religious people than in exercising a talent for contempt.