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    I'm wondering if someone can help me out here.

    I watched a tv show today about how the earth was created. The show was an hour long and went from how the earth was first formed to why we see layers of rocks on their sides today. The thing is, right at the start of the show, the presenter mentions briefly that the bible doesn't mention the exact age of the earth and that this was added later by some person who simply took adam and eve as the starting pair and doubled the population every generation, then came to the figure we know today.

    I was wondering if...

    1) The bible (old and new) does have a date ?

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    2) If anyone knows the name of the person who made the calculations ?

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    Ussher (1640) calculated creation as occuring in 4004BC - from info in the bible.

    Then some guy called 'lightfoot' calculated it to something like 9am october 23rd - gee if only science could do that for the big bang!


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    So, if it doesn't mention in the bible the date of creation, there is no reason why we can't all agree that the earth is 5.5 billion years old. Even if we do disagree how the earth was created.
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    Well even if you very liberally calculate the age of the earth based on the generations in the Bible, your upper limit is still going to be way, way, way less than the 4.5 billion or so that is science's estimate.
    It is of course absolutely absurd to contend that the earth is only in the 5,000-12,000 year old range.
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    All I know for sure is it was around before I was born, whether it is 4200 or 4200 million I care not, it will make no difference to anything I do, if you are going to make this a debate between creation and evolution I will move it to general discussion as is the (new) custom here. 8)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    All I know for sure is it was around before I was born, whether it is 4200 or 4200 million I care not, it will make no difference to anything I do, if you are going to make this a debate between creation and evolution I will move it to general discussion as is the (new) custom here. 8)
    I am in no way shape or form trying to turn this into a discussion between creation and evolution. All i what is for someone to tell me whether or not it actually states the date of the creation of the earth in the old bibles or new bibles if at all. I think the religion thread of this website would be the best place to get this question answered.
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    To confirm absolutely for you cat, there is no where in the Old or New Testaments where the age of the Earth is discussed. To attempt to derive the age from the mythical,, metaphorical and allegorical tales contained therein is a conceit peculiar to Christians. The Jews, a much more practical people, have never and would never do anything so foolish.

    You must excuse Megabrain, who is very sensitive to the possibility that a Yong Earth Creationist might hijack any thread. 8)
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    I suspect that if the date of creation is in the bible ol Ussher would dared to have 'challenge' it by calculating it for himself, it might have been considered herasy and cost him his life. - you could always read it through... It's a good read but not to be taken literally.
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    I'm pretty sure you can trace back to Moses with reasonable accuracy, maybe even to Abraham. Before that, you kind of have to go off of the such-and-such begat such-and-such parts.

    You can count how many generations there are between Noah and Adam, and go off the average listed life spans. Then you can count the generations from Noah to Abraham using the continually shorter life spans, but it's certainly not an exact art.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    To confirm absolutely for you cat, there is no where in the Old or New Testaments where the age of the Earth is discussed. To attempt to derive the age from the mythical,, metaphorical and allegorical tales contained therein is a conceit peculiar to Christians. The Jews, a much more practical people, have never and would never do anything so foolish.
    And yet the Bible is full of geneologies that go back to Adam and Eve and this is why Usher can come up with this calculation that places Adam and Eve at the date of 4004 BC, 6000 years ago. It is all a matter of how seriously you want to take the Bible and how easily you dismiss the findings of science. For those who take the Bible most seriously, they believe in a historical Adam and Eve around 6000 years ago. Personally I would add some room for error and make it 6000-10000 years ago as many Christians do.

    Now the question of whether this has anything to do with the age of the earth now depends on whether you insist on a literal creation of everything in six days, which of course requires an utter dismissal of everything that science has discovered. If you refuse to treat the Bible as a comic book version of a science text then you can find ample reason for not considering the six days of creation to be 24 hour periods. Not only did these six days begin even before the sun by which 24 hours are measured existed but in 2 Peter 3:8 we read "But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as one day."

    In 2 Peter 3:8, Peter is responding to would be scoffers about Jesus promise to come again soon. And yet Peter was also talking a great deal about creation and the age of the heavens and the earth as well. And Peter's point is that God is patient ("longsuffering"). Compared to God, human beings are impossibly impatient, wanting everything now. So while it might be natural for human being to imagine that if they were all powerful that they would create the world in only six days, I find it utterly absurd that a God who would say "I am coming soon" and mean two thousand years or more would create all the universe, or even only just the earth, in a mere six days. Why the rush?
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    so where do you squeeze in the big bang in your six days of creation ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    so where do you squeeze in the big bang in your six days of creation ?
    In the first few seconds of course.

    LOL

    LOL

    I am laughing because according to science it is also in the first few seconds, only those particular seconds are believed to have occured 13.7 billion years ago.


    I am not sure how to take your question seriously.

    If you are talking about where do I fit it in the Genesis account, I would have to put it right after where He says, "let there be light." This is certaintly not something that happened instantaneously because before you can have light (as we understand it) you must have electricity and magnetism which must be after the universe had cooled sufficiently for the four forces to separate, and that took at least a microsecond. But since all the basic elements formed in the first 3 seconds that part must be included in the "let there be light" as well unless the Genesis account doesn't mention a lot of things which God said very fast in these first few second which is cool as far as I am concerned.

    More seriously I don't buy into the medeival magic interpretation of Genesis. The point of the story was simply to outline the nature of our relationship with God as both the creator of the universe and ourselves.
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    It's important to also consider that time is a matter of experience. God might have only spent 24 hours of his own time during every creational stage, leaving and doing other things while he waited for things to run their own course. That's how a smart manager manages, or a smart baker bakes. Maybe it's how a smart creator creates?

    I, of course, totally reject the big bang theory, and for purely non-religious reasons. It's an obtuse explanation for phenomena that could probably be explained a number of simpler ways.
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    The method used by the Bishop of Ussher went kinda like this.
    He started with Adam and Eve, and added up all the "begats" (aka "produced the child _____). He assumed a longer than average lifespan during Genesis (for reasons not worth going into), then "normal" lifespan for his time after that book.
    Then he followed the matings and births through the rest of the books, assuming the books depicted events in chronological order.
    He did this for the story up to the gospels, were he would then count back to, using the then common calendar in his culture, with 0 point being the 3 "B.C.".
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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax
    I, of course, totally reject the big bang theory, and for purely non-religious reasons. It's an obtuse explanation for phenomena that could probably be explained a number of simpler ways.
    Please do share some of these simpler ways
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    so where do you squeeze in the big bang in your six days of creation ?
    After reading the Bible. Creation is explained in terms of days, but in religion A day is likened to a thousand years. Six days - 6000 years. During this time creatures like dinosaurs dwelled on the earth, before the ice age. Their compression during the ice age created the fossil fuel structure that we have now. Proponent of ID.


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    at the current reckoning the big bang happened about 13.5 billion years ago - that makes each day slightly longer than 2 billion years !?!?
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