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    Was institutionalized in a Catholic School for 8 horrible years.

    OK....fairly

    GOOD STUDY SKILLS

    Good learning curve

    that is all of the fair stuff

    you just do it....get through it and I REBELLED about High School.....wouldn't get on the bus....or in the car....so I got to attend a perfectly good academic PUBLIC school.

    HOWEVER

    point being

    You are in the school you learn the curriculum.....you don't have to embrace it....but do your duty.
    Yes I can pass the class with a low mark, (50) without sinning, but still, what I said is not a lie.
     

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    Well if a guy dies for you, will you just "not care" about what he told you to do?
    You sure don't seem to care. You ignore the laws of the Old Testament, even though he told you not to change them one little bit. Do you just not care about what he said?
    I do not ignore the laws. I follow them as best as I can. I make mistakes, but still, I follow them as best as I can.
     

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    Why can't you sin and do your learning, then ask Jesus for forgiveness afterwards?
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    I do not ignore the laws. I follow them as best as I can. I make mistakes, but still, I follow them as best as I can.
    So you try your best to kill homosexuals?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
    Why can't you sin and do your learning, then ask Jesus for forgiveness afterwards?
    The same reason you don't betray your friend, then ask for forgiveness after. Even though you know he will forgive you.
     

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    I do not ignore the laws. I follow them as best as I can. I make mistakes, but still, I follow them as best as I can.
    So you try your best to kill homosexuals?
    It does not say I should kill gays. It says that gays shall die.
     

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    So you try your best to kill homosexuals?
    It does not say I should kill gays. It says that gays shall die.
    Actually it says that they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. (And of course you must not allow witches to live; says that in the Bible.) Are you going to follow the laws of God, the laws that Jesus said you may not change one bit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weterman View Post
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    I do not ignore the laws. I follow them as best as I can. I make mistakes, but still, I follow them as best as I can.
    So you try your best to kill homosexuals?
    It does not say I should kill gays. It says that gays shall die.
    Yes it quite explicitly states to kill homosexuals right in the passage in Leviticus that adelady posted.
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    So you try your best to kill homosexuals?
    It does not say I should kill gays. It says that gays shall die.
    Actually it says that they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. (And of course you must not allow witches to live; says that in the Bible.) Are you going to follow the laws of God, the laws that Jesus said you may not change one bit?
    Where does it say that I must be the one to kill them?
     

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    Where does it say that I must be the one to kill them?
    Can't find any direct relevance to "you" having to kill gays.

    But you do have to do your part in other ways. ...

    Try Deuteronomy 22.

    20 "But if this charge is true, that the girl was not found a virgin, 21 then they shall bring out the girl to the doorway of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death because she has committed an act of folly in Israel, by playing the harlot in her father’s house; thus you shall purge the evil from among you,"

    So you might be able to duck out of it, the stoning anyway, in relation to gays, but for non-virgin brides (or virgin but unable to "prove" it when accused) , you're right on the front line.
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    A sin is still a sin. But after Jesus saved us, you will be forgiven for sins.
    So I'm sure your mate Jesus will understand if you have to sin temporarily just to graduate. That is what he died for after all.

    He would probably be a bit pissed off about your constant criticism of other Christians and you playing the victim. I suppose he will forgive you for that as well, but with a heavy sigh. I'm sure he would give you the same advice I would: "Just frikking grow up, for Christ's sake."
    You are an atheist, right? So don't tell me to sin to graduate. I can pass with a low mark if I don't sin. But, you don't tell me to sin, if you are an atheist. If you are not part of religion, you do not understand what it is to sin.

    Imagine if your father saved your life, and died in the process. And in his will, he has some things for you to do. Telling me to sin, is like ignoring the will.

    this is hilarious.....my parents were both ordained Pentecostal (AofG) ministers. Being part of religion, any religion has nothing to do with understanding the concept of a "GOD" or "SAVIOUR"......anyone can mouth the words.

    I am not a believer, but that doesn't mean I don't UNDERSTAND at all. I understand perfectly. I just don't believe.

    Get off your high horse, it is YOU who do not comprehend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weterman View Post
    Where does it say that I must be the one to kill them?
    1. So you are shirking your responsibility to rid the planet of these corrupt persons?
    2. You seem to be implicitly agreeing that the practice of homosexuality is bad. Do you deny this?
    3. If so, what do you make of the Christian sects that have accepted it?

    4. I have good news for you. When you grow up there is a better than 50% chance you will put this angst and foolishness behind you.
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    So you try your best to kill homosexuals?
    It does not say I should kill gays. It says that gays shall die.
    Actually it says that they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. (And of course you must not allow witches to live; says that in the Bible.) Are you going to follow the laws of God, the laws that Jesus said you may not change one bit?
    Where does it say that I must be the one to kill them?
    "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." ~Edmund Burke

    If you're NOT being proactive and killing these abominable people, then you're essentially taking their side. It's doubtful you'll get into heaven by weaseling out of your responsibility to rid the world of homosexuals and witches. What HAVE you learned at this school of yours?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weterman View Post
    Where does it say that I must be the one to kill them?
    Witches? Exodus 22:18 - "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." If you allow a witch to live, you yourself are breaking God's law, the law that Jesus said you may not change.

    Compared to your outright refusal to follow God's law, I'd say learning a bit about other religions pales in comparison. (And from the above it looks like you could stand to learn a little more about religion, especially yours.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
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    So you try your best to kill homosexuals?
    It does not say I should kill gays. It says that gays shall die.
    Actually it says that they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. (And of course you must not allow witches to live; says that in the Bible.) Are you going to follow the laws of God, the laws that Jesus said you may not change one bit?
    Where does it say that I must be the one to kill them?
    "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." ~Edmund Burke

    If you're NOT being proactive and killing these abominable people, then you're essentially taking their side. It's doubtful you'll get into heaven by weaseling out of your responsibility to rid the world of homosexuals and witches. What HAVE you learned at this school of yours?
    Forgiveness, probably. "Go, and sin no more."
     

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    And please everyone, use only the Young's Literal Translation bible. The other bibles twist the word.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weterman View Post
    And please everyone, use only the Young's Literal Translation bible. The other bibles twist the word.
    [citation needed]

    Is this version of the Bible online?

    I wonder when God is going to release the director's cut version of the Bible...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
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    And please everyone, use only the Young's Literal Translation bible. The other bibles twist the word.
    [citation needed]

    Is this version of the Bible online?

    I wonder when God is going to release the director's cut version of the Bible...?
    Young's Literal Translation (YLT Bible) - Version Information - BibleGateway.com

    Leviticus 19:28 is a good example of why to use this version.

    This version says to not mark your body with a cross, or to write on it.

    Other versions say to not cut yourself or tatoo yourself.
     

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    Young's not perfect. Nowhere near it.

    Young's Literal Translation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    As for Leviticus 19:28.
    28 `And a cutting for the soul ye do not put in your flesh; and a writing, a cross-mark, ye do not put on you; I [am] Jehovah.
    That "cross-mark" is clearly not the sign of the cross as we understand it. No Jesus, no resurrection at this time. It's probably more like the old practice of making your mark when illiterate people had to sign something.

    And writing on yourself? Probably more like the use of henna for body decoration, certainly common throughout the area at the time. Mehndi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia It was used on Egyptian mummies and the Babylonians used it in their hair decorations. I'm pretty sure that anything associated with either group was off limits for Jews.

    This verse is just one among dozens that prohibit Jews from the religious practices of other religions. Apparently it was common practice to do all manner of things to your body as a sign of mourning your relatives - clearly "wearing black" wasn't an option among people who probably only owned one or two garments so they did other things to signify their in mourning status.

    Bit of online Biblical scholarship here ... Shaving and Sidelocks? The Real Meaning of Leviticus 19:27-28

    In summation, Lev 19:27-28, Lev 21:4-5, Dt 14:1-2 prohibit 4 different acts of mourning. These are:

    1) Making a bald spot on the head as an act of mourning
    2) Shaving the beard as an act of mourning
    3) Cutting the skin as an act of mourning
    4) Writing on the skin as an act of mourning

    Interestingly, the making of tattoos as an act of mourning is the most elusive in the list. It is only mentioned once in Lev 19:28 and then never alluded to again in the Tanach. Reference is made to writing on the flesh as an act of dedication to YHWH (Isa 44:5), but never as an act of mourning. Yet the practice of inscribing the name of the dead loved one in a tattoo still exists to this very day. Recently this practice has come to the attention of the public when it was reported that New York firemen and policemen were inscribing tattoos on their flesh in memory of their deceased comrades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    Young's not perfect. Nowhere near it.

    Young's Literal Translation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    As for Leviticus 19:28.
    28 `And a cutting for the soul ye do not put in your flesh; and a writing, a cross-mark, ye do not put on you; I [am] Jehovah.
    That "cross-mark" is clearly not the sign of the cross as we understand it. No Jesus, no resurrection at this time. It's probably more like the old practice of making your mark when illiterate people had to sign something.

    And writing on yourself? Probably more like the use of henna for body decoration, certainly common throughout the area at the time. Mehndi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia It was used on Egyptian mummies and the Babylonians used it in their hair decorations. I'm pretty sure that anything associated with either group was off limits for Jews.

    This verse is just one among dozens that prohibit Jews from the religious practices of other religions. Apparently it was common practice to do all manner of things to your body as a sign of mourning your relatives - clearly "wearing black" wasn't an option among people who probably only owned one or two garments so they did other things to signify their in mourning status.

    Bit of online Biblical scholarship here ... Shaving and Sidelocks? The Real Meaning of Leviticus 19:27-28

    In summation, Lev 19:27-28, Lev 21:4-5, Dt 14:1-2 prohibit 4 different acts of mourning. These are:

    1) Making a bald spot on the head as an act of mourning
    2) Shaving the beard as an act of mourning
    3) Cutting the skin as an act of mourning
    4) Writing on the skin as an act of mourning

    Interestingly, the making of tattoos as an act of mourning is the most elusive in the list. It is only mentioned once in Lev 19:28 and then never alluded to again in the Tanach. Reference is made to writing on the flesh as an act of dedication to YHWH (Isa 44:5), but never as an act of mourning. Yet the practice of inscribing the name of the dead loved one in a tattoo still exists to this very day. Recently this practice has come to the attention of the public when it was reported that New York firemen and policemen were inscribing tattoos on their flesh in memory of their deceased comrades.
    Well, God knew about what he would do with Jesus.

    And when it says cross mark, it doesn't say with what tool.
     

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    ANY translation is going to be a twisting. Only the original writings will be close to what the original human authors were intending, and even then open to interpretation. There is no such thing as an unerring version of something, and to claim there is is folly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weterman View Post
    And please everyone, use only the Young's Literal Translation bible. The other bibles twist the word.

    Bullpucky.

    There is not one iota of proof about that.

    SO if you happen to be able to give citation go for it.

    You don't have any ,however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weterman View Post
    Imagine if your father saved your life, and died in the process. And in his will, he has some things for you to do. Telling me to sin, is like ignoring the will.
    Surely, based on your statement and belief that "Jesus saved us, you will be forgiven for sins", a better analogy would be, if your father died and said "do whatever you want, I forgive you".

    You can do the course and then you can confess (or whatever your particular brand of Christianity does) and be forgiven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weterman View Post
    And please everyone, use only the Young's Literal Translation bible. The other bibles twist the word.
    You mean the Bible translations that came prior to 1898?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weterman View Post
    And please everyone, use only the Young's Literal Translation bible. The other bibles twist the word.
    Leviticus 20:13 - "And a man who lieth with a male as one lieth with a woman; abomination both of them have done; they are certainly put to death; their blood is on them." Sounds like your orders are pretty clear there, at least if you believe in the literal words of Jesus.

    Exodus 22:18 - "A witch thou dost not keep alive." Are you sinning by allowing witches to live?
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    Quote Originally Posted by billvon View Post
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    And please everyone, use only the Young's Literal Translation bible. The other bibles twist the word.
    Leviticus 20:13 - "And a man who lieth with a male as one lieth with a woman; abomination both of them have done; they are certainly put to death; their blood is on them." Sounds like your orders are pretty clear there, at least if you believe in the literal words of Jesus.

    Exodus 22:18 - "A witch thou dost not keep alive." Are you sinning by allowing witches to live?
    Dang I'm screwed!!!! *hiding my broom*
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    Quote Originally Posted by billvon View Post
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    And please everyone, use only the Young's Literal Translation bible. The other bibles twist the word.
    Leviticus 20:13 - "And a man who lieth with a male as one lieth with a woman; abomination both of them have done; they are certainly put to death; their blood is on them." Sounds like your orders are pretty clear there, at least if you believe in the literal words of Jesus.

    Exodus 22:18 - "A witch thou dost not keep alive." Are you sinning by allowing witches to live?
    No, you are not sinning. If you save a witch, you may be. But in the 10 commandments, 1 is: You shall not murder.

    And is Exodus 22:18 telling me to kill someone?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weterman View Post
    And is Exodus 22:18 telling me to kill someone?

    The phrase is straightforward:
    Quote Originally Posted by Exodus 22:18 (NIV)
    Do not allow a sorceress to live.
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    does canada have public schools ? does states in canada have public schools ? if public schools are there then go to one of them. religion is not taught in them
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weterman View Post
    And is Exodus 22:18 telling me to kill someone?
    Yes. It says you may not allow her to live. If you allow her to live you are breaking the word of God, the word that Jesus told you to follow.

    It's like a law saying you may not ignore tax statements. If you do nothing, and ignore those statements, you are breaking the law.

    But in the 10 commandments, 1 is: You shall not murder.
    It's not murder. The judges and executioners who executed the witches in Salem, Massachusetts were not murderers. They were just people upholding the "law."
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    But in the 10 commandments, 1 is: You shall not murder.

    And is Exodus 22:18 telling me to kill someone?
    Murder is you deciding to kill someone for your own reasons.

    It's not murder when you're a soldier who kills opposing soldiers. Nor is it murder, by these definitions, if you're acting as an executioner enforcing the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    It's not murder when you're a soldier who kills opposing soldiers. Nor is it murder, by these definitions, if you're acting as an executioner enforcing the law.
    generally i also believe this to be true. but specific circumstances can result in a killing of one soldier by a soldier of another county to be classified as murder. also, if a executioner feels it is murder he can stop what he is doing and let someone else do it or even petition aginst the action
     

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    Chucknorium, we're not dealing with sophisticated ethical distinctions here.

    And your military example is where the individual intending to kill another individual for their own reasons rather than as part of military engagement is a fairly simple, first step along that road to more sophisticated reasoning. But that's not where the comment I responded to was going.
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    sorry adelady. i try to be as precise as i can when posting. i know that i fail sometimes. i should not try to correct others posts ? this is a good place to stop posting for tonight. i'll be better tomorrow.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    But in the 10 commandments, 1 is: You shall not murder.

    And is Exodus 22:18 telling me to kill someone?
    Murder is you deciding to kill someone for your own reasons.

    It's not murder when you're a soldier who kills opposing soldiers. Nor is it murder, by these definitions, if you're acting as an executioner enforcing the law.
    Is it murder when you kill non-combatants while trying to kill soldiers ? This is much less clear, morally.
     

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    Is it murder when you kill non-combatants while trying to kill soldiers ? This is much less clear, morally.
    That's about the morality of war rather than of individual soldiers.

    Name a 20th century war that didn't result in significant, or maybe even majority, civilian/ non-combatant casualties.
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    Moderator Question: Since Weterman seems intransigent in maintaining his ill-informed view of the world and holding to his consequently malformed interpretations of reality, is there any point in keeping this thread open.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Moderator Question: Since Weterman seems intransigent in maintaining his ill-informed view of the world and holding to his consequently malformed interpretations of reality, is there any point in keeping this thread open.
    Personally I think it has got into a rut it can't get out of, so I'd support closing it.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Moderator Question: Since Weterman seems intransigent in maintaining his ill-informed view of the world and holding to his consequently malformed interpretations of reality, is there any point in keeping this thread open.
    I have rule Sir Galt.

    Never ask me a serious question, unless you want a frank and very blunt honest answer.

    This thread needs to go to SLEEP!!!
     

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    Moderator Question: Since Weterman seems intransigent in maintaining his ill-informed view of the world and holding to his consequently malformed interpretations of reality, is there any point in keeping this thread open.
    Personally I think it has got into a rut it can't get out of, so I'd support closing it.

    I support the closure of this thread.
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    Agreed. Its time to close this thread. The points were made early and weter does not want to see them for the advice they are. Close
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weterman View Post
    But in the 10 commandments, 1 is: You shall not murder.

    And is Exodus 22:18 telling me to kill someone?
    That is why your religion is so f-ed up. Kill but don't kill. An eye for an eye but turn the other cheek. Love your neighbour then stone them to death.
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    I don't think there is really any more to say on this topic.

    In fact, I think there was very little to say on this topic in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    is there any point in keeping this thread open.
    I don't think so. I'm not sure what he wanted out of this thread - perhaps everyone to say "stupid school! You are right and they are wrong" - but it looks like he's not going to get that, nor is he going to learn anything from the continuing discussion.

    Weterman - I hope you either decide to pass the course and graduate with your class, or decide to fail it and live with the consequences. Those are really your only two choices. Find the courage to make the choice, and then the integrity to stand by your decision.
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    You don't have to believe the stuff, just learn about what those poor misguided fools believe.

    You do realise you can learn stuff without having to believe it, right?
    The questions that I have to answer are the problem. I have to sin, in order to pass.
    No you don't. you just have to pick the "sin" answer, that doesn't mean you are actually doing that.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weterman View Post
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    I'm assuming this is a private school? If so, be happy for the opportunity, and quit complaining. I'd kill to get into a school like that (As an atheist) for college opportunities.
    It is public
    How do you have a public school that endorses a religion? Public schools are funded with Tax payer monies. Tax money can not go to fund religious institutions... you are in the USA, right?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weterman View Post
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    What sin(s) are your required to commit?
    Well, just recently, Pride. The question was "Say about a time when you stood up for someone being bullied".
    That's not pride and even if you think it is what is to stop you from turning the class into a creative writing exercise and making something up?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weterman View Post
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    Wet..... In a few years you'll meet the girl/boy of your dreams and fall madly in love. Sooner or later you'll both want to get married. One problem, the mate belongs to a different religion. Since her/his folks are exerting the most pressure, paying the shot or holding the shotgun, the marriage is going to take place in your bride/groom's parents" church. Would you go through with it? I think you would because in the end you're going to realize that it's all ceremony, it doesn't mean a thing, you love each other and that's that. Well the same principle applies to going to Christian Ethics classes, you could have pretended to be a Catholic or converted to Catholicism from Day 1 (you're in their school for Christ sakes) and just friggin' went and passed the stupid course, because in the big game of life it means diddley-squat when all is said and done.

    By your words, if I'm reading you correctly, I don't think you ever put too much stock into Christian Ethics Classes. So you shouldn't be bitchin' about it now that it's too late.
    Yes, I would just suck it up and go through the ceremony. But this class is different. I have to be in it for a few months, giving personal information, sinning, etc, to go through this. I am not an atheist, it is not as easy as it seems to just lie in my answers.
    This would suggest you are putting some sort of stock in their divine ability which clearly you don't. It's not lying if it's none of their business.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weterman View Post
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    " And there is a chapter in the bible that talks about this."
    Sometimes I have to pinch myself when I think were in the 21st century and I read things like that.

    But unless you become a monk secluded in a monastery, what are you going to do in real life, when you have presentations to give to clients or board members? If you go in biology and find a cure for cancer will you not present it thereby not saving the lives of millions of people because that can be misinterpreted as pride? You cant be happy and a productive member of society if you have sin-anxiety like that, (I almost sound sermon-y, so I point that is not the absolute-truth but my limited-observation-based opinion.)

    "That's the same as saying a gay person has the ability to fake being straight, to not be bullied."
    Really? If I go to Leprechaun school and I learn about Leprauchauns I dont see how thats... hum, gays you say? It reminds me of the report in the Daily Show about a man who moved into the Gay Village of San Fransisco and then complained there were openly gay people around.
    If you find a cure for cancer, and you hand it out, you shouldn't throw your name everywhere, saying that you found the cure.

    Doing a good thing is different than bragging about it. If a guy finds a cure for cancer, he should release it. But not brag about it. If someone finds out, then he finds out. But you don't need to brag about it like you're the number one person.
    being asked to write about one incident that you did something nice is not you throwing your name everywhere it's answering a question not bragging.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weterman View Post
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    That's the same as saying a gay person has the ability to fake being straight, to not be bullied.
    Come on now. You're basically saying that to feed back to your teacher/school stuff you've been taught that you personally don't believe is some kind of sin. That to be true to yourself you have be "honest" or "authentic" or some such thing related to your deepest sense of identity.

    All you're being asked to do is to show that you understand what beliefs you do not adhere to.

    If someone were to put a question into the form of "If you're a christian why are you not a Catholic?" a sensible answer would run along the lines of I disagree with the doctrine of this, and the practice of that, and the belief that all of us are saints, aaaand a very long list of other stuff. You'd have to show that you know what you're talking about. As it happens, the questions in tests on catechism for example are more likely to run along the lines of "Why can divorced people not receive communion?" or something. All you have to do is to write the correct answer and then write - but I don't believe that - in tiny, invisible fairy writing after every single answer.

    It's Not About You. It's about what you've learned from what you've been taught.
    I see, but that is just repeating what the guy before said.

    A guy can be bullied, for being gay. So should that guy hide being gay, so he has friends? Maybe.

    A student can be not allowed to a graduation ceremony, because of his religion. So should he hide it and lie about it? Maybe.
    These are not the same things. one is understanding the other is being
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weterman View Post
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    That's the same as saying a gay person has the ability to fake being straight, to not be bullied.
    That's stupid. To extend your analogy, a gay person is being "bullied" if they have to learn about human reproduction because they aren't going to reproduce that way and so it's "against their sexuality."

    And there is a chapter in the bible that talks about this. It says you should hide the good deeds you do, and it is a sin to express them. I don't remember the book, I read it a while a go.
    ^^THIS is why you might end up not graduating. Not because you have the wrong beliefs, but you can't even be bothered to learn what you are taught.

    A guy can be bullied, for being gay. So should that guy hide being gay, so he has friends?
    No. He should be honest about it. But if he refuses to learn human biology because it is "against his sexuality" he might flunk biology and not graduate. His fault. Not bullying.
    A student can be not allowed to a graduation ceremony, because of his religion. So should he hide it and lie about it?
    No. He should be honest about it. But if he refuses to learn religious history because it is "against his religion" he might flunk religion and not graduate. His fault. Not bullying.
    A gay does not have to practice sex with the opposite in biology class.

    A person of different religion has to practice rituals against his religion in my school. We have to do a prayer plan thingy, where you have to make a prayer and present it in front of the class. That would be the worst part of the class. The prayer before class starts can just be ignored, so that's fine.
    So you are lying about doing the prayer.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weterman View Post
    The prayer plan is something that could go against a religion. They make you say "In the name of the father, son, holy spirit... "

    And I am against that. It is a fake ritual that Catholics do, just for the heck of it. Imo. I don't believe in automated prayers. Doing the sign of the cross so often, will make it meaningless.
    It's meaningless anyway to you right? since it's a catholic ritual.
     

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    I think so. Does they have them where you live ? Well, does they ? If so, head straight to English class.
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    does canada have public schools ? does states in canada have public schools ? if public schools are there then go to one of them. religion is not taught in them
     

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    No wait ! this is like watching a train wreck in slow motion. Gruesome but interesting.
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    Moderator Question: Since Weterman seems intransigent in maintaining his ill-informed view of the world and holding to his consequently malformed interpretations of reality, is there any point in keeping this thread open.
    Personally I think it has got into a rut it can't get out of, so I'd support closing it.

    I support the closure of this thread.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weterman View Post
    And I am against that. It is a fake ritual that Catholics do
    As opposed to... what?
    A fake ritual that your religion does?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weterman View Post
    The prayer plan is something that could go against a religion. They make you say "In the name of the father, son, holy spirit... "

    And I am against that. It is a fake ritual that Catholics do, just for the heck of it. Imo. I don't believe in automated prayers. Doing the sign of the cross so often, will make it meaningless.
    As you get older you will find that ritual plays a surprising role in all cultures, including your own, and that it can have a certain ability to affect mood and the direction of one's thoughts. People often use ritual as a dirty word, implying emptiness of meaning, but they miss the point of it, which is to do with creating an atmosphere. Take any military graduation ceremony for example. Or any wedding, or funeral.

    I would not argue that the sign of the cross does a great deal on its own, but it has symbolism which plays its part in creating a prayerful or God-centred mood among the faithful.

    Just step back a bit and try to be less censorious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    And I am against that. It is a fake ritual that Catholics do
    As opposed to... what?
    A fake ritual that your religion does?
    The ritual isn't fake. It's a real ritual... what it means is probably less then honest, though.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by umbradiago View Post
    I think so. Does they have them where you live ? Well, does they ? If so, head straight to English class.
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    does canada have public schools ? does states in canada have public schools ? if public schools are there then go to one of them. religion is not taught in them
    i was trying to make a thoughtful comment for weterman. i thought you were not being nice to my comment. i asked my friend who knows more english than me and he says you were not nice. he does say my english is bad and this i can not do better. sorry. i am trying very hard
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
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    I think so. Does they have them where you live ? Well, does they ? If so, head straight to English class.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
    does canada have public schools ? does states in canada have public schools ? if public schools are there then go to one of them. religion is not taught in them
    i was trying to make a thoughtful comment for weterman. i thought you were not being nice to my comment. i asked my friend who knows more english than me and he says you were not nice. he does say my english is bad and this i can not do better. sorry. i am trying very hard
    your English is fine. you can make yourself understandable, which is far better than some other posters here.
     

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    You doing fine, Chuck. I apologize. Just a bad joke on my part. Are you a Chuck Norris fan ?
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    I think so. Does they have them where you live ? Well, does they ? If so, head straight to English class.
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    does canada have public schools ? does states in canada have public schools ? if public schools are there then go to one of them. religion is not taught in them
    i was trying to make a thoughtful comment for weterman. i thought you were not being nice to my comment. i asked my friend who knows more english than me and he says you were not nice. he does say my english is bad and this i can not do better. sorry. i am trying very hard
     

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    You doing fine, Chuck. I apologize. Just a bad joke on my part. Are you a Chuck Norris fan ?
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    I think so. Does they have them where you live ? Well, does they ? If so, head straight to English class.
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    does canada have public schools ? does states in canada have public schools ? if public schools are there then go to one of them. religion is not taught in them
    i was trying to make a thoughtful comment for weterman. i thought you were not being nice to my comment. i asked my friend who knows more english than me and he says you were not nice. he does say my english is bad and this i can not do better. sorry. i am trying very hard
    Whack!! Be nice to Chuck. Our humor (in general all of our humor) must sometimes so bewilder others!!

    I mean..LOOK AT SIR DUCKY!!! *ducking*
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