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    Death to gays.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMw2Zg_BVzw&feature=related

    Personally, I think this church should be shut down yet Government is not only not shutting them down, they leave their tax breaks and exemptions in place and are actively dealing with these, to me, murderers.

    Should that church be allowed to stay in business?

    How can we get the Government to do it's job and rid the country of such criminal churches?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Personally, I think this church should be shut down yet Government is not only not shutting them down, they leave their tax breaks and exemptions in place and are actively dealing with these, to me, murderers.
    Have they killed anyone?

    How can we get the Government to do it's job and rid the country of such criminal churches?
    The government is doing its job by following the First Amendment, IMO.


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    They have the right to say what they want as long as they don't act upon it.

    For instance, I am protected under the same law when I say, "Those people should all be set on fire in front of their families."

    So long as I don't take gas and a match to them, it's all good.

    EDIT: In the interest of full disclosure; I didn't watch the video. I live in Indiana so I've seen enough gay-hating (both individual and institutionalized) to make an assumption of what happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    They have the right to say what they want as long as they don't act upon it.
    Actually they don't need to act on it. It's hate speech. And by introducing a bill, and propagandizing his view, he has acted on it.

    The tough issue is whether hate speech laws extend to international actions--they probably don't.
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    Introducing a bill? Guess I should have watched it before I commented. Or just not commented as I'm not interested in watching it.
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    Dude...if we kill "da gheys", how the hell are we supposed to win another gold metal in figure skating? Huh?
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    Just like the churches are staying out of politics.

    Why do you only see one side of the coin? Are you a Christian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    They have the right to say what they want as long as they don't act upon it.

    For instance, I am protected under the same law when I say, "Those people should all be set on fire in front of their families."

    So long as I don't take gas and a match to them, it's all good.

    EDIT: In the interest of full disclosure; I didn't watch the video. I live in Indiana so I've seen enough gay-hating (both individual and institutionalized) to make an assumption of what happens.
    And are you so foolish as to think that if they did act on what you said that a judge would not slam your ass into jail?

    Your damned right he would.

    The question here is not the law but the morality of advocating death to gays who are not guilty of anything.

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    Its freedom of speech. Regardless of how slanderous and morally reprehensible it is its still free speech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Just like the churches are staying out of politics.
    The churches are free to get into politics as much as they want. The First Amendment says that we cannot make laws respecting or prohibiting any establishment of religion.
    However, there is no equivalent law that says churches cannot make rules or edicts concerning any establishment of government. They are free to advocate for whoever they like, and promote (or disparage) any form of government they like.

    Why do you only see one side of the coin?
    Because there only is one side of the coin in this case.
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    There is free speech and there is hate speech.

    What do you see coming out of that church?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenRatio View Post
    Its freedom of speech. Regardless of how slanderous and morally reprehensible it is its still free speech.
    Not by US or UN standards it isn't. Where are you thinking of? Uganda? Afghanistan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    And are you so foolish as to think that if they did act on what you said that a judge would not slam your ass into jail?
    No clue what this sentence means.

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    The question here is not the law but the morality of advocating death to gays who are not guilty of anything.
    The morality of advocating death to gays? Why is it the government's job to legislate morality? Someone is allowed to believe whatever they want. If they think homosexuals are demons and the world is better off if we murder all of them, that's fine within the law. They cannot incite violence nor commit it against those people, though.

    I will not push my morals on the idiots who think homosexuals are 'unnatural' for the same reason I don't want those idiots pushing their morals on me.

    You're welcome to be irate about the issue and, if like Lynx did, you can demonstrate a legal reason to act on these people then go for it. I'd love to see all those Westboro types launched out of a catapult into the ocean. You cannot demand action just because someone holds a belief that is offensive to you. Remember, your tolerance of homosexuals is not only offensive to some, but in some countries it is illegal.
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    Your constitution is shit. It does not respect the separation of church and state is not worthy of the U. S.

    If you had a decent constitution you would nopt have the heist per capitae in jail of all th Western world.

    You should re-write your constitution to one that means what it says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
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    And are you so foolish as to think that if they did act on what you said that a judge would not slam your ass into jail?
    No clue what this sentence means.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    The question here is not the law but the morality of advocating death to gays who are not guilty of anything.
    The morality of advocating death to gays? Why is it the government's job to legislate morality? Someone is allowed to believe whatever they want. If they think homosexuals are demons and the world is better off if we murder all of them, that's fine within the law. They cannot incite violence nor commit it against those people, though.

    I will not push my morals on the idiots who think homosexuals are 'unnatural' for the same reason I don't want those idiots pushing their morals on me.

    You're welcome to be irate about the issue and, if like Lynx did, you can demonstrate a legal reason to act on these people then go for it. I'd love to see all those Westboro types launched out of a catapult into the ocean. You cannot demand action just because someone holds a belief that is offensive to you. Remember, your tolerance of homosexuals is not only offensive to some, but in some countries it is illegal.
    The morals of the land and it's people are enforced by the law.
    Or do you think your laws put in place without a moral framework?

    Only the really dense will not recognize the difference between intolerance and inciting or promoting others to kill without just cause.

    This quote is for those of your ilk.

    Change the labels in this quote to women, minorities, Gays or children being brainwashed by religions and it shows what we should be thinking and doing for each other.

    "First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)

    If you can get out of yourself then try thinking like a gay person having to tolerate the shit you seem to think they should.

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    P.S. The sentence you did not understand ids that if you were to incite someone to murder without cause, a judge would fry you as well as the perpetrator that you would have created.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Your constitution is shit.
    Then feel free to not live in the US. If you do decide to live here, you will be subject to it.
    It does not respect the separation of church and state . . . .
    I think it does.
    If you had a decent constitution you would nopt have the heist per capitae in jail of all th Western world.
    Nigeria has a much lower incarceration rate. Again, if their society is more to your liking, that would be an excellent place to emigrate to.



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    You will have to Bite me quite a bit before that happens.
    I am already in a better country. Canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    I am already in ... Canada.
    Well that's a relief.
    I knew you weren't American, but I'm phenomenally glad to find out you're not in England.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    The morals of the land and it's people are enforced by the law.
    Or do you think your laws put in place without a moral framework?

    Only the really dense will not recognize the difference between intolerance and inciting or promoting others to kill without just cause.

    This quote is for those of your ilk.

    Change the labels in this quote to women, minorities, Gays or children being brainwashed by religions and it shows what we should be thinking and doing for each other.

    "First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)

    If you can get out of yourself then try thinking like a gay person having to tolerate the shit you seem to think they should.

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    P.S. The sentence you did not understand ids that if you were to incite someone to murder without cause, a judge would fry you as well as the perpetrator that you would have created.


    I'm amazed at how Lynx was able to intelligently present a counter argument to what I said, but you have to resort to insulting me and behaving like a complete a**hole. I can't even be bothered to respond to what could potentially be a decent debate.

    How about you check your sandy vagina at the door next time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
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    There is free speech and there is hate speech.

    What do you see coming out of that church?

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    What church? I watched the video and didn't see anybody mention a church.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGyver1968 View Post
    Dude...if we kill "da gheys", how the hell are we supposed to win another gold metal in figure skating? Huh?
    Mac....I actually attended a gay wedding last summer....inevitably, a parade broke out.
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    Dude...if we kill "da gheys", how the hell are we supposed to win another gold metal in figure skating? Huh?
    Mac....I actually attended a gay wedding last summer....inevitably, a parade broke out.
    Male or female?

    Was there a catfight about who was the best dressed or who was upstaging who? (I joke, of course.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    I am already in ... Canada.
    Well that's a relief.
    I knew you weren't American, but I'm phenomenally glad to find out you're not in England.
    Right now, thanks to your politics, morals and laws, the U S is a cut below just about everyone else.

    It will be good when you guys get civilized in your politics.

    At present, unfortunately for all the West, your policies suck. Mind you, the U. N. is not doing what it should either but it is mostly your internal politics that we see killing you.

    Not to brag but if you followed Canadian policy, you guys would be a lot wealthier and dare I say happier.

    Just on health care, we could save you about 3 % off gross.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    Yeah, we have our own brand of loony nutjobs eccentrics, we don't need to import them...
    Hell. You have an exportable number of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
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    Dude...if we kill "da gheys", how the hell are we supposed to win another gold metal in figure skating? Huh?
    Mac....I actually attended a gay wedding last summer....inevitably, a parade broke out.
    Male or female?

    Was there a catfight about who was the best dressed or who was upstaging who? (I joke, of course.)
    Female. One dressed as the traditional male and one in a wedding gown. The "Officiate" pronounced them "wife and wife" which I thought was kind of cool. The only wedding where I actually felt the love in the room, kind of cool also. Absolutely no talk of God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
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    The morals of the land and it's people are enforced by the law.
    Or do you think your laws put in place without a moral framework?

    Only the really dense will not recognize the difference between intolerance and inciting or promoting others to kill without just cause.

    This quote is for those of your ilk.

    Change the labels in this quote to women, minorities, Gays or children being brainwashed by religions and it shows what we should be thinking and doing for each other.

    "First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)

    If you can get out of yourself then try thinking like a gay person having to tolerate the shit you seem to think they should.

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    P.S. The sentence you did not understand ids that if you were to incite someone to murder without cause, a judge would fry you as well as the perpetrator that you would have created.


    I'm amazed at how Lynx was able to intelligently present a counter argument to what I said, but you have to resort to insulting me and behaving like a complete a**hole. I can't even be bothered to respond to what could potentially be a decent debate.

    How about you check your sandy vagina at the door next time?
    I am sandy due to having to deal with literalist fools all the time. I do not let anyone get away with shit.

    You will learn to come close or stay away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
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    There is free speech and there is hate speech.

    What do you see coming out of that church?

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    What church? I watched the video and didn't see anybody mention a church.
    She speaks of the church funding the bill at the start of her presentation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
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    What do you see coming out of that church?

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    What church? I watched the video and didn't see anybody mention a church.
    She speaks of the church funding the bill at the start of her presentation.

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    Please quote the part where she says its a church, and the part where she says the organization is funding the bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
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    Please quote the part where she says its a church, and the part where she says the organization is funding the bill.
    If you have production questions, call her station.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    If you have production questions, call her station.
    Way to avoid the question.
    And you're wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    I am already in a better country. Canada.
    Good! That sounds like a better place for you. Not as many annoying freedoms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    I am already in ... Canada.
    Well that's a relief.
    I knew you weren't American, but I'm phenomenally glad to find out you're not in England.
    Funny thing is....I figured out the were Canadian! *L* by the posts!

    AND HAPPY THEY DON'T LIVE HERE!
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    Thank muhammad I live in america where speech is protected.

    I can freely say I hate gays or death to gays in this country, even though I wouldnt since I fully support them. I dunno about you canadians. Maybe you should of revolted against the queen like we did, eh?
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    I may detest what they say.

    But at least they have the freedom to say it.

    Thank you AMERICA!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
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    Please quote the part where she says its a church, and the part where she says the organization is funding the bill.
    If you have production questions, call her station.

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    It was a typical bit of shoddy journalism by MSNBC, which I would put on a par with the History Channel if you are looking for accurate reporting. There was plenty of innuendo, and practically no facts linking the "Family" to any legislation in Uganda. The "Family" is a loose organization of people from various religious backgrounds, who organize the prayer breakfasts in Washington. One of the members, apparently, is the Ugandan member of Parliament who introduced the bill. I'm not even sure about that because it is supposed to be a secret society. Anyway, some of the American members have traveled to Uganda, and MSNBC thinks they must be outside agitators, because guilt by association. MSNBC tried to spin this into a story about American fundamentalists pulling the strings of their puppets in Uganda but they don't actually have any evidence. Pathetic.
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    Moderator Warning: Gnostic Christian Bishop, your rage may be genuine, or it may be contrived for effect. What it will not be, is tolerated on this forum any longer. Your future posts will be objective and unemotional. Thread titles will not be provocative. If you choose to ignore theses directions you will be suspended and your posts/threads may well be deleted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billvon View Post
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    I am already in a better country. Canada.
    Good! That sounds like a better place for you. Not as many annoying freedoms.
    It is annoying sometimes to have freedoms, for sure.
    Ask all of us who are not in the most crowded jail system in the West or in the most active military system. Yours.

    Wave that flag with pride as your government listens to your cell phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenRatio View Post
    Thank muhammad I live in america where speech is protected.

    I can freely say I hate gays or death to gays in this country, even though I wouldnt since I fully support them. I dunno about you canadians. Maybe you should of revolted against the queen like we did, eh?
    LOL.

    You fought for no taxation without representation and now you live in a nation that pays tons of taxes and has no representation as you are firmly under your oligarchies control.

    The land of the free is the land of free slaves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    I may detest what they say.

    But at least they have the freedom to say it.

    Thank you AMERICA!
    Free hate speech. How nice for you to not know the limits between free speech and hate speech.

    You are so busy flying your flag that you do not see the innocent blood on it and are immoral enough to not care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Moderator Warning: Gnostic Christian Bishop, your rage may be genuine, or it may be contrived for effect. What it will not be, is tolerated on this forum any longer. Your future posts will be objective and unemotional. Thread titles will not be provocative. If you choose to ignore theses directions you will be suspended and your posts/threads may well be deleted.
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    It is annoying sometimes to have freedoms, for sure.
    Ask all of us who are not in the most crowded jail system in the West or in the most active military system. Yours.
    I'd put money that no one here is in the "most crowded jail system in the West" so that works.
    Military? The military people I work with seem to enjoy the freedoms we have as well. But then again, perhaps the ones that are annoyed by them have already moved to Canada, where the government apparently tells you what you can and can't say.
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    Most countries have hate speech legislation but you do not care about facts.

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    Please quote the part where she says its a church, and the part where she says the organization is funding the bill.
    If you have production questions, call her station.

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    It was a typical bit of shoddy journalism by MSNBC, which I would put on a par with the History Channel if you are looking for accurate reporting. There was plenty of innuendo, and practically no facts linking the "Family" to any legislation in Uganda. The "Family" is a loose organization of people from various religious backgrounds, who organize the prayer breakfasts in Washington. One of the members, apparently, is the Ugandan member of Parliament who introduced the bill. I'm not even sure about that because it is supposed to be a secret society. Anyway, some of the American members have traveled to Uganda, and MSNBC thinks they must be outside agitators, because guilt by association. MSNBC tried to spin this into a story about American fundamentalists pulling the strings of their puppets in Uganda but they don't actually have any evidence. Pathetic.
    Well at least most of us are lucky enough to live in places where the churches have little political power and have raised themselves to cherry picking and ignoring much of their own scriptures (most here are probably already familiar with them). Fortunately most major churches in Uganda, as well as around the world, came out strongly against the capital punishments parts of the anti-gay bill in Uganda.

    On the other hand there was without a doubt some openly supporting the legislation such as the Evangelical Makerer Community Church in Kampala heavily backed by the large Canyon Ridge Christian Church in Las Vegas. http://www.wbur.org/npr/128491183

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    Well at least most of us are lucky enough to live in places where the churches have little political power and have raised themselves to cherry picking and ignoring much of their own scriptures (most here are probably already familiar with them). Fortunately most major churches in Uganda, as well as around the world, came out strongly against the capital punishments parts of the anti-gay bill in Uganda.

    On the other hand there was without a doubt some openly supporting the legislation such as the Evangelical Makerer Community Church in Kampala heavily backed by the large Canyon Ridge Christian Church in Las Vegas. U.S. Church Lends Help To Anti-Gay Ugandan Pastor | WBUR & NPR

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    Unless I'm missing something this appears to be a rather old news, perhaps just put here for shock effect.
    I do write for effect but not the way you think.

    I had that link stored but lost track of time and I did not bring myself up to date when putting the O P together. My bad. That does not negate the heavy discrimination and that women and gays suffer at the hands of religions.

    It continues daily.

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    Here is something else that is awesome about free speech. I am out.

    The question has been answered, there is no further debate here & this thead has devolved into two children on the playground fighting over who gets to play on the swing next.

    Frankly, i am surprised it has not ended up in the trashcan allready.

    Thus, i am out. no further posts in this thead. Goodbye
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
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    I may detest what they say.

    But at least they have the freedom to say it.

    Thank you AMERICA!
    Free hate speech. How nice for you to not know the limits between free speech and hate speech.

    You are so busy flying your flag that you do not see the innocent blood on it and are immoral enough to not care.

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    You are incredibly rude, and judgmental about my country.

    Let us work on ours

    You can work on yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
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    I may detest what they say.

    But at least they have the freedom to say it.

    Thank you AMERICA!
    Free hate speech. How nice for you to not know the limits between free speech and hate speech.

    You are so busy flying your flag that you do not see the innocent blood on it and are immoral enough to not care.

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    Don't worry, she's nothing matters morally, and then condemns what other countries think is moral. Though I expect her to say "it's just MY morals!" but then nobody has to care what one person thinks or why it's "better in value" than what others or a society thinks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Death to gays.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMw2Zg_BVzw&feature=related

    Personally, I think this church should be shut down yet Government is not only not shutting them down, they leave their tax breaks and exemptions in place and are actively dealing with these, to me, murderers.

    Should that church be allowed to stay in business?

    How can we get the Government to do it's job and rid the country of such criminal churches?

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    meh, if Ugandans think gays are evil, so be it. I don't respect Africa as a continent (they need to get over their colonial victim complex) but then it's their total prerogative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
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    I may detest what they say.

    But at least they have the freedom to say it.

    Thank you AMERICA!
    Free hate speech. How nice for you to not know the limits between free speech and hate speech.

    You are so busy flying your flag that you do not see the innocent blood on it and are immoral enough to not care.

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    You are incredibly rude, and judgmental about my country.

    Let us work on ours

    You can work on yours.
    I recall a comedian once saying, "The only reason the US hasn't invaded Canada is because they don't have anything we want. Some day, we're going to run out of trees and then it's *knock knock* Hey, Canada. We're out of trees.......get out."

    In all seriousness, though, I've never met such a judgmental and emotional Canadian before. You really need to calm down with the broad brush painting, Mr. We-Elected-Rob-Ford.
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    Most countries have hate speech legislation . . .
    Best be careful that your hate speech directed towards Christians does not run afoul of such laws.
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    Its freedom of speech. Regardless of how slanderous and morally reprehensible it is its still free speech.
    Slander is against the law. so is obscenity. All you need is a judge to deem them obscene. done and done
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    Just like the churches are staying out of politics.
    The churches are free to get into politics as much as they want. The First Amendment says that we cannot make laws respecting or prohibiting any establishment of religion.
    However, there is no equivalent law that says churches cannot make rules or edicts concerning any establishment of government. They are free to advocate for whoever they like, and promote (or disparage) any form of government they like.
    When these churches begin campaigning I think they cease to be churches. Cause if that's the case all the DNC and RNC have to do is label themselves as churches and now they can campaign tax free
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    I am already in a better country. Canada.
    Good! That sounds like a better place for you. Not as many annoying freedoms.
    Mayors are free to smoke crack... What's more free than that?
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    Please quote the part where she says its a church, and the part where she says the organization is funding the bill.
    If you have production questions, call her station.

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    It was a typical bit of shoddy journalism by MSNBC, which I would put on a par with the History Channel if you are looking for accurate reporting. There was plenty of innuendo, and practically no facts linking the "Family" to any legislation in Uganda. The "Family" is a loose organization of people from various religious backgrounds, who organize the prayer breakfasts in Washington. One of the members, apparently, is the Ugandan member of Parliament who introduced the bill. I'm not even sure about that because it is supposed to be a secret society. Anyway, some of the American members have traveled to Uganda, and MSNBC thinks they must be outside agitators, because guilt by association. MSNBC tried to spin this into a story about American fundamentalists pulling the strings of their puppets in Uganda but they don't actually have any evidence. Pathetic.
    Why can't you put this type sharp understanding against your beloved fox network? The crap that MSNBC puts out pales in comparison to the experts over at Fox, Simply because Fox invented it. They'll never be as good (or as bad I guess) as the original.
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    Well at least most of us are lucky enough to live in places where the churches have little political power
    No way dude. Churches have a ton of pull. That's why you haven't seen an atheist get elected here or a Jew. You have to say you're Christian even if you're not, otherwise you're dead politically
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    Welcome to the forum. Thanks for the contribution.
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    Death to gays.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMw2Zg_BVzw&feature=related

    Personally, I think this church should be shut down yet Government is not only not shutting them down, they leave their tax breaks and exemptions in place and are actively dealing with these, to me, murderers.



    Should that church be allowed to stay in business?

    How can we get the Government to do it's job and rid the country of such criminal churches?

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    meh, if Ugandans think gays are evil, so be it. I don't respect Africa as a continent (they need to get over their colonial victim complex) but then it's their total prerogative.
    This is where I jump in, why do you not respect Africa as a continent? We talk about respecting gays and lesbians, but you take it a mile farther, why do you condemn free speach to a whole continent? Don't you think everyone should be free to express themselves? You sound very one sided.
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    I am pleased to see my gay and lesbian brothers and sisters being accepted into US sports this year, in a wave of popularity. I think that watching Putin's anti-gay rhetoric play out in Sochi has solidified US public opinion, and I think that the next generation will see marriage as between two people who love each other, of whatever persuasion and whatever physical sex. I think this is the norm and will distinguish the rich places, both in money and culture, and the poor places, of the Earth. I'd rather be rich and welcome everyone, personally. The poor places exclude everyone and suffer for it.

    The Ugandans are about to start having banking problems.

    Frankly "death to the gays" == "death to the economy." Simple as that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schneibster View Post
    I am pleased to see my gay and lesbian brothers and sisters being accepted into US sports this year, in a wave of popularity. I think that watching Putin's anti-gay rhetoric play out in Sochi has solidified US public opinion, and I think that the next generation will see marriage as between two people who love each other, of whatever persuasion and whatever physical sex. I think this is the norm and will distinguish the rich places, both in money and culture, and the poor places, of the Earth. I'd rather be rich and welcome everyone, personally. The poor places exclude everyone and suffer for it.

    The Ugandans are about to start having banking problems.

    Frankly "death to the gays" == "death to the economy." Simple as that.
    What does gays and lesbians have to do with Uganda having banking problems?
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    I find homophobia despicable.

    But then it's not for me to say what Uganda can or cannot find acceptable. I dunno, I guess for me I don't believe in forcing beliefs onto others, it doesn't lend to peace and frankly is mentally abnormal. People balk live and let live, but then most humans don't like to be badgered around.
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    Watch and see.
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    Watch and see.
    That a measly answer, where should I watch?
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    No, what is a pink pound?
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    I find homophobia despicable.

    But then it's not for me to say what Uganda can or cannot find acceptable. I dunno, I guess for me I don't believe in forcing beliefs onto others, it doesn't lend to peace and frankly is mentally abnormal. People balk live and let live, but then most humans don't like to be badgered around.
    The Ugandans should be free to express what ever like or dislike they have, they should not be penalized by any group.
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    I find homophobia despicable.

    But then it's not for me to say what Uganda can or cannot find acceptable. I dunno, I guess for me I don't believe in forcing beliefs onto others, it doesn't lend to peace and frankly is mentally abnormal. People balk live and let live, but then most humans don't like to be badgered around.
    The Ugandans should be free to express what ever like or dislike they have, they should not be penalized by any group.
    Even if they are violating human rights doing so?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    The Ugandans should be free to express what ever like or dislike they have, they should not be penalized by any group.
    Could you explain why Ugandans "should be free" to criminalise homosexuals 1 - to the extent of life imprisonment (reduced from execution), while homosexuals "should not be free" to live their lives as they want?

    1 And, indeed, not JUST homosexuals: penalties for individuals, companies, media organisations, or non-governmental organisations that know of gay people or support LGBT rights.
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    The Ugandans should be free to express what ever like or dislike they have, they should not be penalized by any group.
    While I hate to make the post that proves Godwin's Law . . .

    Replace the word "Ugandans" with "Nazis" and see how it sounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
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    I find homophobia despicable.

    But then it's not for me to say what Uganda can or cannot find acceptable. I dunno, I guess for me I don't believe in forcing beliefs onto others, it doesn't lend to peace and frankly is mentally abnormal. People balk live and let live, but then most humans don't like to be badgered around.
    The Ugandans should be free to express what ever like or dislike they have, they should not be penalized by any group.
    Even if they are violating human rights doing so?
    No, its not about human rights, its about the Ugandans expressing what they like or dislike.
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    No, its not about human rights, its about the Ugandans expressing what they like or dislike.
    The point you seem to be missing (or ignoring 1) is that Ugandans apparently "like" violating human rights.

    1 Either because you're clueless or - at a stretch - you've realised how indefensible your position actually is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    Could you explain why Ugandans "should be free" to criminalise homosexuals 1 - to the extent of life imprisonment (reduced from execution), while homosexuals "should not be free" to live their lives as they want?

    1 And, indeed, not JUST homosexuals: penalties for individuals, companies, media organisations, or non-governmental organisations that know of gay people or support LGBT rights.
    I think that it is no ones right to bully anyone into anything. In the world we live in people are doing what they want and bullying others to follow. But everyone has a place and a culture, if one decides to move to the right or left of mainstream society, that move must be sanctioned by culture. Every country makes the law that reflects their society, some we may not like, however, it must convince itself how it should function. The people there might have lived for thousands of years with little or no homosexuals. It is not justifiable to be ramming the new issue down their through ts. maybe as time goes on the world will change, who knows in this ever changing world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PumaMan View Post
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    The Ugandans should be free to express what ever like or dislike they have, they should not be penalized by any group.
    While I hate to make the post that proves Godwin's Law . . .

    Replace the word "Ugandans" with "Nazis" and see how it sounds.
    You can give me all the laws that you have in store, or make all the changes you want, I think every one must have the right for a space on earth, and be able to live the life they want.
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    I think that it is no ones right to bully anyone into anything.
    Really?
    Yet you seem to think it's okay for Ugandans to bully homosexuals.

    In the world we live in people are doing what they want
    Except for homosexuals in Uganda that is.

    But everyone has a place and a culture, if one decides to move to the right or left of mainstream society, that move must be sanctioned by culture. Every country makes the law that reflects their society, some we may not like, however, it must convince itself how it should function. The people there might have lived for thousands of years with little or no homosexuals. It is not justifiable to be ramming the new issue down their through ts. maybe as time goes on the world will change, who knows in this ever changing world.
    Yeah.
    Waffle waffle waffle.

    I think every one must have the right for a space on earth, and be able to live the life they want.
    Obviously, given your previous remarks, this is a lie, given that you support the Ugandan state to deny exactly that to certain people.
    So maybe what you meant really was "I think every one- except for homosexuals in Uganda, and anyone who knows or supports them - must have the right for a space on earth, and be able to live the life they want."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    I think that it is no ones right to bully anyone into anything.
    Really?
    Yet you seem to think it's okay for Ugandans to bully homosexuals.

    In the world we live in people are doing what they want
    Except for homosexuals in Uganda that is.

    But everyone has a place and a culture, if one decides to move to the right or left of mainstream society, that move must be sanctioned by culture. Every country makes the law that reflects their society, some we may not like, however, it must convince itself how it should function. The people there might have lived for thousands of years with little or no homosexuals. It is not justifiable to be ramming the new issue down their through ts. maybe as time goes on the world will change, who knows in this ever changing world.
    Yeah.
    Waffle waffle waffle.

    I think every one must have the right for a space on earth, and be able to live the life they want.
    Obviously, given your previous remarks, this is a lie, given that you support the Ugandan state to deny exactly that to certain people.
    So maybe what you meant really was "I think every one- except for homosexuals in Uganda, and anyone who knows or supports them - must have the right for a space on earth, and be able to live the life they want."
    Don't forget that at one time in your history, communist were your enemies, they were killed because you hated them. I don't care about gays, or lesbians, every one should live the way they chose in their own way. Do not bully anyone to follow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
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    The Ugandans should be free to express what ever like or dislike they have, they should not be penalized by any group.
    Could you explain why Ugandans "should be free" to criminalise homosexuals 1 - to the extent of life imprisonment (reduced from execution), while homosexuals "should not be free" to live their lives as they want?

    1 And, indeed, not JUST homosexuals: penalties for individuals, companies, media organisations, or non-governmental organisations that know of gay people or support LGBT rights.
    I think that it is no ones right to bully anyone into anything. In the world we live in people are doing what they want and bullying others to follow. But everyone has a place and a culture, if one decides to move to the right or left of mainstream society, that move must be sanctioned by culture. Every country makes the law that reflects their society, some we may not like, however, it must convince itself how it should function. The people there might have lived for thousands of years with little or no homosexuals. It is not justifiable to be ramming the new issue down their through ts. maybe as time goes on the world will change, who knows in this ever changing world.
    They have lived fro thousands of years "without" LGBT members? B*ll Sht.
    What evidence do you have to support this assertion?

    And how do you feel about the MAJOR interference of a foreign group sponsoring and promoting the hate legislation in the first place about 5 years ago, which was then taken up by ONLY one portion of the population and which first called for LGBT people to be put to death?
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    I think that it is no ones right to bully anyone into anything.
    Really?
    Yet you seem to think it's okay for Ugandans to bully homosexuals.

    In the world we live in people are doing what they want
    Except for homosexuals in Uganda that is.

    But everyone has a place and a culture, if one decides to move to the right or left of mainstream society, that move must be sanctioned by culture. Every country makes the law that reflects their society, some we may not like, however, it must convince itself how it should function. The people there might have lived for thousands of years with little or no homosexuals. It is not justifiable to be ramming the new issue down their through ts. maybe as time goes on the world will change, who knows in this ever changing world.
    Yeah.
    Waffle waffle waffle.

    I think every one must have the right for a space on earth, and be able to live the life they want.
    Obviously, given your previous remarks, this is a lie, given that you support the Ugandan state to deny exactly that to certain people.
    So maybe what you meant really was "I think every one- except for homosexuals in Uganda, and anyone who knows or supports them - must have the right for a space on earth, and be able to live the life they want."
    Don't forget that at one time in your history, communist were your enemies, they were killed because you hated them. I don't care about gays, or lesbians, every one should live the way they chose in their own way. Do not bully anyone to follow.
    That is the EXACT route that Europe and others took leading up to WWII. IT does NOT work and only leads to people dying for something that is innate to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
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    The Ugandans should be free to express what ever like or dislike they have, they should not be penalized by any group.
    Could you explain why Ugandans "should be free" to criminalise homosexuals 1 - to the extent of life imprisonment (reduced from execution), while homosexuals "should not be free" to live their lives as they want?

    1 And, indeed, not JUST homosexuals: penalties for individuals, companies, media organisations, or non-governmental organisations that know of gay people or support LGBT rights.
    I think that it is no ones right to bully anyone into anything. In the world we live in people are doing what they want and bullying others to follow. But everyone has a place and a culture, if one decides to move to the right or left of mainstream society, that move must be sanctioned by culture. Every country makes the law that reflects their society, some we may not like, however, it must convince itself how it should function. The people there might have lived for thousands of years with little or no homosexuals. It is not justifiable to be ramming the new issue down their through ts. maybe as time goes on the world will change, who knows in this ever changing world.
    They have lived fro thousands of years "without" LGBT members? B*ll Sht.
    What evidence do you have to support this assertion?

    And how do you feel about the MAJOR interference of a foreign group sponsoring and promoting the hate legislation in the first place about 5 years ago, which was then taken up by ONLY one portion of the population and which first called for LGBT people to be put to death?
    There will be people who like gays, and lesbians, and there will be people who do not. If you leave people alone they will sort out what they want and do not want. It is when the so called critical thinkers get involve when every thing begins to turn sour.

    There have been homosexuals from the earth was conceived, it has evolved to where it is today, the problem is something is driving it to a place where its not natural anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    Don't forget that at one time in your history, communist were your enemies, they were killed because you hated them.
    Really?
    Can you name ANY communist that's been killed because I hated them?

    I don't care about gays, or lesbians
    Obviously since you think it's okay for them to be jailed for life.

    every one should live the way they chose in their own way
    I've already pointed out the glaring inconsistency in this statement of yours.

    the problem is something is driving it to a place where its not natural anymore.
    That wouldn't be a bullshit statement from you, would it?
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    There are people who don't like left handedness or red hair too, that does not give the right to discriminate or criminalize based on those innate characteristics.

    What exactly do you define as "not natural"?

    The earth was not conceived and there have only been homosexual interactions for as long as sexual reproduction has.
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    You know, I've lived longer than most of you, over 60 years, and I have never in my life been assaulted by a gay guy or a lesbian. I don't ever recall even getting into an argument with them. I've known and worked with quite a few. I wish I could say that for heterosexuals. I'm not saying that lgbt people can't be mean, I just haven't seen it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PumaMan View Post
    You know, I've lived longer than most of you, over 60 years, and I have never in my life been assaulted by a gay guy or a lesbian. I don't ever recall even getting into an argument with them.
    Bah!
    You should have a night out with me.
    I've had MANY arguments with gay guys AND lesbians.
    "It's your turn to buy the drinks."
    "What? I bought the last round".
    "No you f*cking didn't, Jim did."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Bah!
    You should have a night out with me.
    I've had MANY arguments with gay guys AND lesbians.
    "It's your turn to buy the drinks."
    "What? I bought the last round".
    "No you f*cking didn't, Jim did."
    You know, I've had those kinds of arguments in bars. What do you know. They were all gay. I never knew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PumaMan View Post
    You know, I've lived longer than most of you, over 60 years, and I have never in my life been assaulted by a gay guy or a lesbian. I don't ever recall even getting into an argument with them. I've known and worked with quite a few. I wish I could say that for heterosexuals. I'm not saying that lgbt people can't be mean, I just haven't seen it.
    people are people, there are no ifs or buts, there should be no contention of who wants to be who. people are the ones who put up the rules and they are the ones who break them. Gay does not mean violence or anything more than gay.
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    Do you support the persecution of gays, or do you believe gay people deserve Human rights?

    It's an either/or position here, no middle ground.
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    people are people, there are no ifs or buts, there should be no contention of who wants to be who. people are the ones who put up the rules and they are the ones who break them. Gay does not mean violence or anything more than gay.
    What?
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    I find homophobia despicable.

    But then it's not for me to say what Uganda can or cannot find acceptable. I dunno, I guess for me I don't believe in forcing beliefs onto others, it doesn't lend to peace and frankly is mentally abnormal. People balk live and let live, but then most humans don't like to be badgered around.
    The Ugandans should be free to express what ever like or dislike they have, they should not be penalized by any group.
    Even if they are violating human rights doing so?
    No, its not about human rights, its about the Ugandans expressing what they like or dislike.
    OK, well what if they decide they dislike you and you should be burned alive if they catch you? Are you OK with that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
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    What does gays and lesbians have to do with Uganda having banking problems?
    Watch and see.
    That a measly answer, where should I watch?
    It was a joke. I don't explain jokes. It ruins them for everyone who gets it.
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    Stargate- I am still waiting for you to answer my questions in post #82
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    I'd add that human rights are not valid, and social norms/morality trumps all.
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    I'd add that human rights are not valid, and social norms/morality trumps all.
    Per what definition are they not valid?

    Per what biological definition of normal?

    Per who's morals?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarnamluvu View Post
    I'd add that human rights are not valid, and social norms/morality trumps all.
    That's like saying: "This sentence is false."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
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    I'd add that human rights are not valid, and social norms/morality trumps all.
    Per what definition are they not valid?

    Per what biological definition of normal?

    Per who's morals?
    Social norms of a culture.

    And they're not "valid" because they have no true standing. Life is tough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
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    Death to gays.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMw2Zg_BVzw&feature=related

    Personally, I think this church should be shut down yet Government is not only not shutting them down, they leave their tax breaks and exemptions in place and are actively dealing with these, to me, murderers.



    Should that church be allowed to stay in business?

    How can we get the Government to do it's job and rid the country of such criminal churches?

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    meh, if Ugandans think gays are evil, so be it. I don't respect Africa as a continent (they need to get over their colonial victim complex) but then it's their total prerogative.
    This is where I jump in, why do you not respect Africa as a continent? We talk about respecting gays and lesbians, but you take it a mile farther, why do you condemn free speach to a whole continent? Don't you think everyone should be free to express themselves? You sound very one sided.
    I never said they couldn't have it.

    But then I don't condone the brutalising of anybody, so I don't support this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarnamluvu View Post
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    I'd add that human rights are not valid, and social norms/morality trumps all.
    Per what definition are they not valid?

    Per what biological definition of normal?

    Per who's morals?
    Social norms of a culture.

    And they're not "valid" because they have no true standing. Life is tough.
    Per Which culture?
    Per which biological definition of normal?
    Who dictates they have true standing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    Stargate- I am still waiting for you to answer my questions in post #82
    Stargate's forte is making patently stupid comments and then failing to respond to questions when it gets too difficult for him.
    In a different thread he opined that e=mc2 produced differing results for men and women. I'm still waiting for some comeback on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
    Do you support the persecution of gays, or do you believe gay people deserve Human rights?

    It's an either/or position here, no middle ground.
    Gay people do not need to be anything more than people, they can live the life they want to live, no body should be forced to do what they do not want to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    There are people who don't like left handedness or red hair too, that does not give the right to discriminate or criminalize based on those innate characteristics.

    What exactly do you define as "not natural"?

    The earth was not conceived and there have only been homosexual interactions for as long as sexual reproduction has.
    There are people who are born homosexual that is not new, there are people that are not born that way, I do not care if they want to be homosexuals. I am just not for anyone bullying me to be what I do not want to be. If Ugandans decide they do not like that way of life, they should not be sanctioned or threatened with bank failures or penalized in any way.
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