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    Why isn't, despite all my searching, snow never mentioned in the bible or qur'an or any religious text which exists outside of a region which has snow?

    To me, this aids in the assumption that the bible was written by man during the times, but I'd also like to know of any weird interpretations which might exist that claim "this is snow! See! See?!"

    I've also googled possible cases of where this argument might appear, I find none. So...apparently I'm the first to notice the complete and utter lack of all things white and cold in the bible?


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    Im guessing the lack of snow is because where the bible was written there is a warm climate.. However there are mentions of snow fall in the bible.

    Heres some scriptures...

    2 Samuel 23:20

    Job 6:16

    Job 37:6

    Psalm 51:7

    Isaiah 1:18

    Lamentations 4:7

    A good place to read the bible...

    http://www.watchtower.org/e/bible/index.htm


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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth1010
    A good place to read the bible...

    http://www.watchtower.org/e/bible/index.htm
    Well that's debatable.

    This is the rewritten version isn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth1010
    Im guessing the lack of snow is because where the bible was written there is a warm climate.. However there are mentions of snow fall in the bible.
    Hence my point. Written by man in an area which has no snow. Now, doesn't that sound a little "written by man" to you?

    However, those passages quite clearly mention snow. Even in the NKJV, not in the heavily dynamic version the JW's use. In either case, however, I'd like to know what exactly the translation is for "snow," in a lot of cases with biblical translations you end up with "translation guesses" that really piss me off (like gods supposed name).

    But, for now, apparently this discussion is finished.

    Edit: Truth, your post was removed because it was off topic. The moderation team is trying to cull posts that are off topic to help clean up the forums. If you must say something off topic, PM it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht
    Quote Originally Posted by Truth1010
    Im guessing the lack of snow is because where the bible was written there is a warm climate.. However there are mentions of snow fall in the bible.
    Hence my point. Written by man in an area which has no snow. Now, doesn't that sound a little "written by man" to you?

    However, those passages quite clearly mention snow. Even in the NKJV, not in the heavily dynamic version the JW's use. In either case, however, I'd like to know what exactly the translation is for "snow," in a lot of cases with biblical translations you end up with "translation guesses" that really piss me off (like gods supposed name).

    But, for now, apparently this discussion is finished.

    Edit: Truth, your post was removed because it was off topic. The moderation team is trying to cull posts that are off topic to help clean up the forums. If you must say something off topic, PM it.
    But the claim of Christians is that God wrote the Bible using both the history which is written about and the people who wrote it as His writing utensils. So yes the circumstances of men are part of the contents. It is impossible for the Bible to be purely of God, for it must be understood by men and thus must, at the very least, be in their language. And there is a lot of distortion and bias built into human languages acting very much like a filter on how we perceive the world.
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    All it is is snow why you have to talk like its inportant.
    You atheist are are always denying the truth and don't want to here the truth its like you closing your ears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    All it is is snow why you have to talk like its inportant.
    If you can't comprehend simple implications like this, I for one will not explain it so a child (aka: you) can understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht
    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    All it is is snow why you have to talk like its inportant.
    If you can't comprehend simple implications like this, I for one will not explain it so a child (aka: you) can understand.

    Ok what are you talking about I am not a child don't play dumb with me ok i am not here to play with your silly athiest games.
    You atheist are are always denying the truth and don't want to here the truth its like you closing your ears.
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    Jeremy -

    WTF? Snow? - don't make me laugh, what about Polar bears, Coconuts, Icebergs - and a million other things completely not pertinent to the mid east where all this is set?.

    To suggest the bible is false because it omits something is crazy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    Jeremy -

    WTF? Snow? - don't make me laugh, what about Polar bears, Coconuts, Icebergs - and a million other things completely not pertinent to the mid east where all this is set?.

    To suggest the bible is false because it omits something is crazy!
    EDIT: Slur deleted- Megabrain.I asked because it suggested that it was indicated that it would have been written by man. Since the areas of which the bible was written rarely had any snow, it would have made some amount of sense. However after looking a few things up it turns out I was rather incorrect.

    Also, the point for which I originally wanted to make regarding snow is also mute because snow is mentioned.

    Stop trying to inflate your ego.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht
    I asked because it suggested that it was indicated that it would have been written by man. Since the areas of which the bible was written rarely had any snow, it would have made some amount of sense. However after looking a few things up it turns out I was rather incorrect.

    Also, the point for which I originally wanted to make regarding snow is also mute because snow is mentioned.

    Stop trying to inflate your ego.
    Well that confession really killed this thread, didn't it?


    Jeremy I question your sense of realism when you ask a person who has named himself "Megabrain" to "stop trying to inflate (his) ego." You might as well ask the sun to stop shining. Though to tell the truth I do not quite see what it is, in his post, that has inspired this imperative statement.
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    LMAO Mitch, LMAO!
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    The bible says

    "have you entered the treasures of the snow" signifying that snow carries some sort of uniqueness.

    We know that each snowflake is different from another. but it's hard to say if the each snowflakes uniqueness is what this Bible verse is talking about.

    The Bible also talks about the sun melting away the ice in latter times. and today we're in awe at the large chunks of ice which are breaking off the polar icecaps.


    The Bible has not been changed over the course of time. there are different versions of the Bible, but we still have the original texts of the Bible which are 95% accurate to New King JAmes Version of our Bibles today.

    If the original texts does not satisfy you we still have hundreds of the earliest Bibles distributed by the Church, the books of the Old Testament. Obviously one of these Bibles would have been preserved over time, and indeed many were. These Bibles were the first Bibles taught, and they are accurate to our NEW King James Version of our Bible which is sold today.

    The Bible dosn't become the world's top selling book by people changing it over time. If the Bible was changed over time in the last 100 years we would have needed to change the Bible over 100 times to go along with scientific revelation and prophecy in the Bible. But I have checked in Bibles written before 1800 and i see that the Bible actually does have revelations of science written in the Bible, stating scientific facts which have been uncovered in the past decade.

    The Bible also has written in it dozens of prophecies which have been fulfilled in the last 100 years. (e.x., Israel would be born in a single day, ISrael would be partitioned, the Jews would return home and buy back land, the Hebrew language would be brought back to life) These prophecies are in the bible i checked which was written in 1826. which clearly shows us the Bible knew they would happen beforehand.

    One example of a recently discovered scientific revelation in the Bible is

    "Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades, or loose the belt of Orion? Can you bring out Mazzaroth in its season? Or can you guide the Great Bear with its cubs?" (Job 38: 31)

    We have learned in this century that the stars of Pleiades are gravitationally bound (they used to be called the "Seven Sisters" by constellation buffs). We have also learned just in this century that the stars of Orion are not gravitationally bound!


    Think about it, if God wrote the Bible would he allow his book to be tarnished and filled with lies over the course of time? what's the prupose of God writing the Bible if it was going to be changed.

    God wrote the Bible using the prophets like a pencil. God wrote it to give humans an account for His existence why things are the way they are and what his message is to us.

    Don't you think a God would give us an account for his existence? Infact he gave us the Bible and there are many evidences which prove beyond a doubt that a higher power was in charge of writing the Bible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiki
    The bible says

    "have you entered the treasures of the snow" signifying that snow carries some sort of uniqueness.

    We know that each snowflake is different from another. but it's hard to say if the each snowflakes uniqueness is what this Bible verse is talking about.

    The Bible also talks about the sun melting away the ice in latter times. and today we're in awe at the large chunks of ice which are breaking off the polar icecaps.


    The Bible has not been changed over the course of time. there are different versions of the Bible, but we still have the original texts of the Bible which are 95% accurate to New King JAmes Version of our Bibles today.

    If the original texts does not satisfy you we still have hundreds of the earliest Bibles distributed by the Church, the books of the Old Testament. Obviously one of these Bibles would have been preserved over time, and indeed many were. These Bibles were the first Bibles taught, and they are accurate to our NEW King James Version of our Bible which is sold today.

    The Bible dosn't become the world's top selling book by people changing it over time. If the Bible was changed over time in the last 100 years we would have needed to change the Bible over 100 times to go along with scientific revelation and prophecy in the Bible. But I have checked in Bibles written before 1800 and i see that the Bible actually does have revelations of science written in the Bible, stating scientific facts which have been uncovered in the past decade.

    The Bible also has written in it dozens of prophecies which have been fulfilled in the last 100 years. (e.x., Israel would be born in a single day, ISrael would be partitioned, the Jews would return home and buy back land, the Hebrew language would be brought back to life) These prophecies are in the bible i checked which was written in 1826. which clearly shows us the Bible knew they would happen beforehand.

    One example of a recently discovered scientific revelation in the Bible is

    "Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades, or loose the belt of Orion? Can you bring out Mazzaroth in its season? Or can you guide the Great Bear with its cubs?" (Job 38: 31)

    We have learned in this century that the stars of Pleiades are gravitationally bound (they used to be called the "Seven Sisters" by constellation buffs). We have also learned just in this century that the stars of Orion are not gravitationally bound!


    Think about it, if God wrote the Bible would he allow his book to be tarnished and filled with lies over the course of time? what's the prupose of God writing the Bible if it was going to be changed.

    God wrote the Bible using the prophets like a pencil. God wrote it to give humans an account for His existence why things are the way they are and what his message is to us.

    Don't you think a God would give us an account for his existence? Infact he gave us the Bible and there are many evidences which prove beyond a doubt that a higher power was in charge of writing the Bible.

    Yes i agree with him.
    You atheist are are always denying the truth and don't want to here the truth its like you closing your ears.
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    One hesitates to be a stickler for accuracy, but Reiki displays some over exhuberance with the claim of comparison to the "original" texts.

    What we have are a huge number of early texts and fragment of texts, some dating to pre C.E. (Christian Era) time. From these large numbers of extant texts, we are able to piece together what we can reasonably rely upon as facimiles of the original writings.

    In making comparison's to the early texts, it is far better to compare current Hebrew or Greek editions to those texts than it is to compare translations. If the current Hebrew or Greek texts compare favorably to the early texts, then we can check those against the existing translations to determine accuracy.

    Jewish custom was to destroy texts which were becoming worn and, as a result, becoming difficult to decypher. This was to avoid copying from texts that were difficult to read. So it would be impossible for the "original" texts to be in existence.

    But I would certainly agree that we can find a number of things in the Old Testement which seem to have some scientific explanation that we would not have expected the writers to have had knowledge of.
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    You make it sound like we don't have many copies of the old testament which date back to before jesus's day.

    We still have versions of the old testament written on lambskin before the time of Christ. We have the dead sea scrolls and we have more recently uncovered copies.

    It is interesting to note that if one letter or one word in the first five books of the Old Testament were changed then the Torah would not work, the Bible Code prophecies would not work.

    Jesus says:
    Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the Law, until all is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)

    I believe this website describes how the Bible has been passed down over time rather well.

    The Old Testament

    The scribes would specialize in copying the scriptures when they were worn. The scribes were extraordinarily careful in copying these texts. They would count the letters going each way. If they found one mistake, they would destroy that page. They did make occasional mistakes like the reversing of letters, but they did not dare tamper with God's Word. They preserved the integrity of the holy texts by burning the old ones with defects.

    What happened as a result was that our latest copies (manuscripts) of the Old Testament scriptures were more than one or two thousand years from the time that they were written in some cases. People started wondering whether they were true.

    Until recently, our most ancient copies (manuscripts) of the Old Testament were from the 10th century. They could of course check its message with the Septuagint which was written several hundred years before Christ. This was the Greek translation of the Old Testament that was in use in Jesus' day.


    More recent archaeological findings, however, have swept this suspicion into the Mediterranean. The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls in the 1940s have shown that the Hebrew (Masoretic) text was accurately preserved. These scrolls were written 100 to 200 years before Jesus' time. So passages that clearly describe Jesus such as Isaiah 53 could no longer be said to be inserted after Jesus' time.


    The New Testament Texts

    The New Testament manuscripts on the other hand are numerous. These 5,500 plus manuscripts date from the 2nd century. Those who ask whether the originals had ever existed can find their answer here. They certainly did. Only the genuine text could have spawned so many copies through the years.

    Some people seem to question the authenticity of the orginals when there are so many different manuscripts with slight variations. This is a shame. The opposite is true. The agreement of the scriptures prove the existence of the original documents. The number of manuscripts for the New Testament scriptures is far greater than any other ancient text. It is through these variants (differences on words or spellings used), we can trace back and discover what the original text had said.

    Do we find that the texts are reliable? Definitely.
    Although one may hear of thousands of variants or errors, we must keep in mind that they count the same error in each of the 5,000 manuscripts. After careful examination, they have found that only 40 lines (400 words) of the 20,000 lines are in question. We can be sure that the New Testament is 99% pure. The Iliad by contrast has 5% corrupted text. There is no ancient text that is more reliable than the New Testament.
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