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    where exactly is heaven for most major religions.

    do most religions say that earth is the only source of life?

    when you go to heaven in most religions, do you go thier for internity? wouldnt that be a bad thing? to live for internity? it would get a little old right?

    when you die, do you stay your age for internity? so if a baby dies, it will never fully think for internity?

    yes, im using internity alot but i dont care

    will you see every singal thing that ever lived in heaven, or is it only reserved for humans?

    are you in some sort of spirit state in heaven, or are you seen as a fleshy individual?

    answer as many as possible plz


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    Quote Originally Posted by Darthskywalker699
    where exactly is heaven for most major religions.
    undifferentiated monistic religions make the distinction between illusion and self realization
    dualistic religions make the distion between spiritual and material worlds (depending on one's consciousness either being under th egrip of illusion or illuminated by self realization)
    do most religions say that earth is the only source of life?
    no - most religions seem to indicate an entire gradation of entities from angels to the not so angelic
    when you go to heaven in most religions, do you go thier for internity? wouldnt that be a bad thing? to live for internity? it would get a little old right?
    generally it is advocated that temporal existence is the mercy of god for a living entity under the grip of illusion, since it is the nature of illusory existence to grow dull after repeated and constant contact - the eternal nature if the spiritual world however is the platonic basis for our temporal attractions (in other words what ever we deem as enjoyable in this world has its superior prototype in the spiritual realm)
    when you die, do you stay your age for internity? so if a baby dies, it will never fully think for internity?
    the body is quite distinct fromour actual self - just like if you wake up while having a dream that you are a baby, you do not wake up in a baby's body

    yes, im using internity alot but i dont care
    I take it you mean eternity

    will you see every singal thing that ever lived in heaven, or is it only reserved for humans?
    I don't understand this q

    are you in some sort of spirit state in heaven, or are you seen as a fleshy individual?
    if you mean do we have form - the answer is that we don't have a material form - on this point the undifferentiated monistic religions say that liberation innvolves having no form (merging into light) and the dualistic religions say that liberation innvolves attaining one's real constitutional eternal position as a servant of god (it is a form, but it is not a material form since it is not subject to ignorance, old age and misery)


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    ok, thanks for all questions answered, and i did mean enternity

    .... bad spelling day

    what i ment for the q you didnt undersand, is that are humans the only things going to heaven, or does everything that has once lived have a chance to go to heaven

    another question: if you never got a chance to realize a religion existed before your death (say, in the parts of the world that did not practice that religion, so it was never taught to you.), will it count against you when you die?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darthskywalker699
    ok, thanks for all questions answered, and i did mean enternity

    .... bad spelling day
    maybe you got out of bed on the wrong side

    what i ment for the q you didnt undersand, is that are humans the only things going to heaven, or does everything that has once lived have a chance to go to heaven
    there is a degree of confusion (or perhaps it would be more correct to call it a looseness of nomenclature) for the word "soul", particularly in christianity - anyway in vedic and buddhist books there is indication that the living force finds its expression in a variety of life forms (according to the vedas there are 8 400 000 species of life - 400 000 being human) - the benefits of th ehuman form of life is that it enables one to "struggle" with the force of illusion, whereas in the other species of life one is more or less forced to b ecompletely obedient to one's conditioned nature (ever wondered why a pack of dogs don't write philosophy) - so in this regard there is a statement that there are 3 things that are auspicious (ie that grant a hopeful entry into heaven) and rare in this universe
    • having the human form of life (percentage wise, you have a greater chance of being a bug)
      the desire for liberation (generally its more a case of eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die, even fo r the humans)
      the association of qualified spiritually advanced persons (since the general trend of this world is that for every thing that genuinely exists, there are numerous cheap imitations easily available)



    another question: if you never got a chance to realize a religion existed before your death (say, in the parts of the world that did not practice that religion, so it was never taught to you.), will it count against you when you die?
    theoretically one can become religiously perfect in a moment but practically it takes many lifetimes - therefore it is practically seen that in all parts of the world in all times there is some form of religion - actually there is only one religion - service to god - but it appears to take many different forms on account of people's conditioned nature (ie the inability and reluctance of th e conditioned soul to come to the platform of spiritual perfection immediately)
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    These are good questions.

    What I am wondering is if we return to life in heaven, since most of our cells die and are replaced by new ones, which set of our cells get selected to compose our body in heaven? If you die crippled at 95 do you have the body of your younger self? Do the bacterias that live on and in our body also go to heaven? If not, why not? Some of them are 'good' bacterias, so they should go to heaven, while the 'bad' bacterias should go to hell. -
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    Quote Originally Posted by punarmusiko
    Quote Originally Posted by Darthskywalker699
    where exactly is heaven for most major religions.
    undifferentiated monistic religions make the distinction between illusion and self realization
    dualistic religions make the distion between spiritual and material worlds (depending on one's consciousness either being under th egrip of illusion or illuminated by self realization)
    The question of dualism or monism is most likely ill posed, like many oversimplified questions. I am a theoretical monist but a practical dualist. I believe there is only substance of being: energy. But there is both physical and spiritual forms of energy differentiated by very specific characteristics of form. All physical energy is part of a single unified form described by the mathematical laws of physics, space and time, separated from spiritual energy by the law of conservation of energy. There is no conversion of form between physical and spiritual energies under any normal circumstances, the start of the big bang being the only possible exception that I can see. I do not think that spiritual energy even has a mathematical form, but being the same substance it can interact with the physical within the limits of the uncertainty principle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Darthskywalker699
    where exactly is heaven for most major religions.
    I don't think it is wise to make generalizations about religions in regards to questions like these. Religions ask and answer their own specific questions and the members of these religions all answer the questions you are asking in their own way, if they answer them at all. So I can only answer the question you ask for myself.

    The spiritual is not all part of a single mathematical form of space and time, so spiritual entities are not related by space and time as are physical entitites. Heaven is not a place but a state of "mind" or rather spirit. The mind, per say, I believe is a living physical process, which like all living processes involves an interaction with spirit, in which both physical and spiritual aspects of the living organisms partake in the process of growth as a result of the choices it makes.

    By our choices we make a heaven or hell of wherever we happen to find ourselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Darthskywalker699
    do most religions say that earth is the only source of life?
    The entire universe is a designed as a womb of life. Life is the ultimate purpose of it all. But there is simply no telling how far advanced life is in other parts of the universe compared to the earth. Religion focuses within so it usually does not waste time with such useless speculations about what is out there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Darthskywalker699
    when you go to heaven in most religions, do you go thier for internity? wouldnt that be a bad thing? to live for internity? it would get a little old right?
    In my view, we have infinite potential for growth and creativity. It would only get old if we stifle that growth and creativity and that is one good description of hell. Those who grow bored even in this world are adreneline junkies who do not make the effort to create things for themselves but only feed like parasites on the creations of others.

    Quote Originally Posted by Darthskywalker699
    when you die, do you stay your age for internity? so if a baby dies, it will never fully think for internity?

    will you see every singal thing that ever lived in heaven, or is it only reserved for humans?

    are you in some sort of spirit state in heaven, or are you seen as a fleshy individual?
    The immediate experience may be no different that what you experience here or completely different. The spiritual reality is subjective rather than objective. To put it another way your reality is part of you - or in other words, you can say that your create your own reality. Your spiritual reality will be your hearts desire, but depending on the development of your heart, that may not be a good thing after all.

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    What I am wondering is if we return to life in heaven, since most of our cells die and are replaced by new ones, which set of our cells get selected to compose our body in heaven? If you die crippled at 95 do you have the body of your younger self? Do the bacterias that live on and in our body also go to heaven? If not, why not? Some of them are 'good' bacterias, so they should go to heaven, while the 'bad' bacterias should go to hell.
    Our physical aspect is but an eddy in the flow of energy from the sun into the emptiness of space. It is the choices we make, what we value and love that is the essence of our spiritual existence. In the physical world we are composed of cells and have bacteria in our bodies, but unless you are biologist who studies and loves these things then I don't think they will have anything to do with your spiritual existence.
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    The bible states that heaven is above the earth. Filled with spirit creatures. Only a small number of people go to heaven when they die.

    The rest of mankind has an earthly hope. Resurection to a paradise earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth1010
    The bible states that heaven is above the earth. Filled with spirit creatures. Only a small number of people go to heaven when they die.

    The rest of mankind has an earthly hope. Resurection to a paradise earth.
    The bible states nothing, the words in the bible as assembled suggest it but then the bible is meaningless, full of fantasy and when looked at by a psychologist suggests the authors were making it up as they went along...
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    The bible states...

    1. The bible stated that the earth was round in shape. For years false religion and scientists refuted this.Now all scientists and religions accept this as fact.

    2. The bible stated that there was a water cycle. Again false religion refuted this. Now we all agree that the water is how it rains.

    3. The bible claims if we love one another and refuse to indulge in violence, hatred, sex outside of marriage and cared for those less fortunate than ourselves life would be better. Anyone disagree with this?

    4. Yes the bible has and is always correct. God can not lie.The bible is there for it to be tested and the bible always wins out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth1010
    The bible states...

    1. The bible stated that the earth was round in shape. For years false religion and scientists refuted this.Now all scientists and religions accept this as fact.

    2. The bible stated that there was a water cycle. Again false religion refuted this. Now we all agree that the water is how it rains.

    3. The bible claims if we love one another and refuse to indulge in violence, hatred, sex outside of marriage and cared for those less fortunate than ourselves life would be better. Anyone disagree with this?

    4. Yes the bible has and is always correct. God can not lie.The bible is there for it to be tested and the bible always wins out.
    1) that's crap - the FLAT earth brigade was a victorian invention.
    2) probably even caveman realised where the water came from.
    3) Yes I do, I can think of many tyranical bastards in history who made it to king, got bloody rich drunk had loads of women yet tortured and killed at will and lived a much richer life than I ever would.
    4) you have no evidence God exists. full stop, your book is just that, paper scribbled on by ignorant people.
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    Megabrain you are hard work.

    Cavemen probably knew about the water cycle. Do you have evidence for this moment of insight?

    Jehovahs witnesses try to live by gods laws. We have very good fullfilling lives. Yes we have hardship. But we have a hope for eternal life.

    Jesus said "take a firm hold of the real life."

    Jesus said " you are as angels, even if they kill you i will ressurect you. You are as angels and you will never die."

    Living a life of debauchery doesnt lead to fullfilment.
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    i do not mean to be disrespectful i assure you, i am still searching for a religion that i believe, but can you disprove me please.

    1.could the bible, or religion on that matter of been made because men are afraid to think about not having internal life? or to bring up the moral of men that were going to die on the battlefield? could this have been the case, just so people could go to sleep at night and dream of an enternal paradise after there hard life at home? or mabye it was made so that they could have some kind of order in there lives, something they could always hold on to in times of darkness in there lives? could have been made so that people would "do the right thing" so they would go to paradise?

    2.when you give something to someone, or if you treat someone better because it tells you to do so in the bible, is that not greedy? is it not greedy to do something for someone so that YOU will live in heaven, because im sure that they would not do it if it was not commanded from them in the bible.

    please, as i said before, these were simple questions, i am not trying to be disrespectful
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    The bible was written over a long period of time. It cant have been made up as all the bible books corrilate with one another. They state facts about life unknown when the books were written.

    The bible makes predictions that come true hundreds of years later. This shows that the bible is indeed gods word. Read the bible for yourself.

    Maybe people do good things because they care. Ive helped people out who had no friends and i gained nothing for doing so. God sees whats inside and he reads why we have done things.

    Does it not sound sensible to accept that god created us all. We have a purpose to search out why we came here. God helps us to do that. Sadly mans rule of this world under the devil has brought pain to the earth. It simply doesnt work.

    Only god can put right what mans rebellion against god has done.
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    The bible makes predictions that come true hundreds of years later. This shows that the bible is indeed gods word. Read the bible for yourself.

    this is very similar to a certain member and the koran, "The proof that god exists is it predicts the future"

    so does, "huxleys-brave new world", "1984", "issac asimovs science fiction books" and many cartoons and films from right back to the twenties

    wow god must have directed Metropolis in 1927 too


    Look at Nostradamus, should we take his books as written by god, he was quite close with many things. Of course we wouldn't, the bible and koran are exactly the same. its all down to interpretation and peoples desperation to find things in them
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    Captain caveman, what you said is wrong. Those people havent predicted the future at all.

    Not alot more i can say really.
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    nostradamus supposidely predicted , the French Revolution, Napoleon Bonaparte, Hitler, both World Wars, and the nuclear destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There is also a consensus that he predicted whatever major event had just happened at the time of each book's publication, from the Apollo moon landings, through the death of Diana, Princess of Wales and the Challenger disaster, to the events of 9/11

    That is, if you believe is predictions

    Can you give bible quotes that show predictions that couldn't be interpreted in any other way?
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    nostradamus supposidely predicted
    The key word here being supposidely. He didnt predict anything he was too vague.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth1010
    nostradamus supposidely predicted
    The key word here being supposidely. He didnt predict anything he was too vague.

    again, i'll ask what proof has the bible got? any quotes?
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    heres a few wrong predictions from the watchtower

    1907: Armageddon will culminate in the year 1914.

    1917: In 1918, God would destroy churches "wholesale" and church members by the millions.

    1922-1923: The resurrection of the dead would occur in 1925. In preparation for the 1925 date, the Watchtower Society acquired a property in California, and built a mansion on it. The property was to house people such as Abraham, Moses, David, and Samuel, who would be resurrected to life in 1925.

    1924: As of 1926, there would be no more deaths. Witnesses were encouraged to add a room to their houses, and get an undertaker to decorate it, since undertakers would be out of work. Witnesses could then call Abraham's office in Jerusalem and request that a deceased relative be brought back to life. These would subsequently appear in the new room.

    1938: In 1938, Armaggedon was too close for marriage or child bearing.

    1941: There were only "months" remaining until Armageddon.

    1969: Human existence would not last long enough for young people to grow old; the world system would end "in a few years". Young Witnesses were encouraged not to bother pursuing tertiary education for this reason.

    1969: Christ's thousand-year reign would begin in 1975.

    1984: There were "many indications" that "the end" was closer than the end of the 20th century

    not very good prophets really especially when they make this statement

    "The Watchtower Society is the "one and only channel" used by God to continually to dispense truth"

    That along with the fact that j'hoovers are told this

    Some victims of sexual abuse also assert that when reporting abuse they have been directed to maintain silence to avoid embarrassment to both the accused and the organization
    no wonder they look holyier than thou when everything is covered up to save embarasment, standard cult tactics

    In fact theres a whole wiki page on j'hoover controversies



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah...versial_Issues
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    Quote Originally Posted by captaincaveman
    Some victims of sexual abuse also assert that when reporting abuse they have been directed to maintain silence to avoid embarrassment to both the accused and the organization
    no wonder they look holyier than thou when everything is covered up to save embarasment, standard cult tactics

    In fact theres a whole wiki page on j'hoover controversies



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    Those claims are not the bible being wrong caveman, but man being wrong.

    As jehovahs witnesses we have got things wrong in the search for truth, but got many many more things right.

    How many other religions have worked out the following...

    That the earth will become a paradise inhabited by humans.

    Thats the gentile times would end in 1914, which they did as satan was cast to the earth.

    The anointed 144,000 go to heaven and only those.

    The revelation has been only uncovered recently by jehovahs witnesses, it took a long time for us to unravel it. There is still more to learn.

    As jehovahs witnesses we look for the truth in the bible. If we get it wrong we got it wrong by looking and not by simply making it up. However as time has gone by weve found more and more about the bible.

    Now we understand most of the bible. During jehovahs witnesses search for truth we have found it. The man made apostate religions that have never searched for the truth are still making things up without ever having actually looked for the truth.

    Jehovahs people are truly the bible students of our time. The meek of the earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth1010

    As jehovah's witnesses we have got things wrong in the search for truth.
    You should have stopped your post right there.
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    The key point here is in "our search for the truth." We are searching and have found the truth.
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    Lie1010 wrote:
    How many other religions have worked out the following...

    That the earth will become a paradise inhabited by humans.
    Do you mean, exploited by human?

    Thats the gentile times would end in 1914, which they did as satan was cast to the earth.
    Who cast the satan to earth? Earth is not supposed to be a dumping ground for toxic material.

    The anointed 144,000 go to heaven and only those.
    You must be one of the 144,000. And when the number JWs reaches 144,000, stop getting members. The place in heaven is full.

    The revelation has been only uncovered recently by jehovahs witnesses, it took a long time for us to unravel it. There is still more to learn.
    Please elaborate more. How many years did JW take to unravel these revelation? How did you do that, by trying to look deeper in your mind, by keep on asking anyone, or by listening hard for HIS guidance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth1010
    Those claims are not the bible being wrong caveman, but man being wrong.

    As jehovahs witnesses we have got things wrong in the search for truth, but got many many more things right.

    How many other religions have worked out the following...

    That the earth will become a paradise inhabited by humans.

    Thats the gentile times would end in 1914, which they did as satan was cast to the earth.

    The anointed 144,000 go to heaven and only those.

    The revelation has been only uncovered recently by jehovahs witnesses, it took a long time for us to unravel it. There is still more to learn.

    As jehovahs witnesses we look for the truth in the bible. If we get it wrong we got it wrong by looking and not by simply making it up. However as time has gone by weve found more and more about the bible.

    Now we understand most of the bible. During jehovahs witnesses search for truth we have found it. The man made apostate religions that have never searched for the truth are still making things up without ever having actually looked for the truth.

    Jehovahs people are truly the bible students of our time. The meek of the earth.

    So where are these amazing truths?

    1) "That the earth will become a paradise inhabited by humans", whats amazing about that, it has never been and theres no proof that it ever will be a paradise, just someones dreamy thoughts

    2) "Thats the gentile times would end in 1914, which they did as satan was cast to the earth." what gentile times before 1914? The world was savage before 1914 and the world didn't suddenly become vastly different after 1914, probably less wars as a whole since

    3) "The anointed 144,000 go to heaven and only those." hows that truth of anything. That is the words of man written for man. not exactly an amazing truth, just some empty statement with nothing to back it up


    None of the things mentioned are proof of anything, theres nothing astounding there, i could see more astounding predictions reading my horoscopes
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    2) "Thats the gentile times would end in 1914, which they did as satan was cast to the earth." what gentile times before 1914? The world was savage before 1914 and the world didn't suddenly become vastly different after 1914, probably less wars as a whole since
    More people have died in wars from 1914 to today than in the 500 years before.

    It seems that most of these inaccurate posts are made before doing research and after becoming intensly angry at one of gods people whos trying to tell the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth1010
    The key point here is in "our search for the truth." We are searching and have found the truth.
    Ha ha ha... have you forgotten about 1975?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth1010
    More people have died in wars from 1914 to today than in the 500 years before.
    Percentage wise? Less have died than 500 years before. Since 500 years before, there were a LOT less people to kill.

    Do not confuse "raise in population" for "rise in death rate".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth1010
    2) "Thats the gentile times would end in 1914, which they did as satan was cast to the earth." what gentile times before 1914? The world was savage before 1914 and the world didn't suddenly become vastly different after 1914, probably less wars as a whole since
    More people have died in wars from 1914 to today than in the 500 years before.

    It seems that most of these inaccurate posts are made before doing research and after becoming intensly angry at one of gods people whos trying to tell the truth.
    but you say the gentle times would end in 1914, From 1945-present it has been one of the most peaceful(globally) than any other time before and the western world has had its longest peace times ever

    If satan is cast to the world(as you say) he's taking his time
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    From 1945-present it has been one of the most peaceful(globally) than any other time before and the western world has had its longest peace times ever
    Caveman it hasnt. Just because europe has become reletively more peacefull, remember the horrific killings in yugoslavia in the early 90s, doesnt mean wars have ceased.

    The iran iraq war cost over 1 million lives. There have been many many more.

    In past centuries wars were less devastating due to lack of technology. Most deaths were of soldiers. Now with bombs and less traditional tatcis wars are far more bloody than ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth1010
    From 1945-present it has been one of the most peaceful(globally) than any other time before and the western world has had its longest peace times ever
    Caveman it hasnt. Just because europe has become reletively more peacefull, remember the horrific killings in yugoslavia in the early 90s, doesnt mean wars have ceased.

    The iran iraq war cost over 1 million lives. There have been many many more.

    In past centuries wars were less devastating due to lack of technology. Most deaths were of soldiers. Now with bombs and less traditional tatcis wars are far more bloody than ever.
    i didn't say war had ceased, but its not exactly a world over run by "satan"
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    Caveman... no one said you said war was over. What you did say is that wars had decreased, and clearly they havent so you were wrong.

    When youve made points that are wrong its best to move on or accept you were wrong. You are scrapeing the debate barrel at the moment.

    If you think the things that happen on earth are not bad, then thats youre veiw point. As jehovahs witnesses we cry out at the things non jehovahs people do to one another.

    Im sure the victims of terrible ivents do also.
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    Caveman... no one said you said war was over. What you did say is that wars had decreased, and clearly they havent so you were wrong.

    I believe that wars have decreased, as people have already said. you cant just go on numbers. The world is more heavily populated than ever before

    When youve made points that are wrong its best to move on or accept you were wrong. You are scrapeing the debate barrel at the moment.
    Again you work in absolutes of right and wrong and clearly the world doesn't work this way, well at least not the real world

    If you think the things that happen on earth are not bad, then thats youre veiw point. As jehovahs witnesses we cry out at the things non jehovahs people do to one another.
    Again i never said that its not bad, but you have to get these things in perspective and the worse attrocities in the world today have religion to blame in the majority of cases
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    The JWs certainly are scientific in the sense that they adapt their prophecies to fit the actual events, just like the sciences adapt their theories to fit the evidence.

    It just doesn't matter how many times they are wrong and the rest of the world is right because they know that they are right and everyone else is wrong. If that is faith, then you have to admire the strength of it.

    I guess that is how they get away with all the other claims they make, like the claim that they read and understand the Bible, while everyone else is just making up whatever they want. They may make stuff up while others actually read what the Bible says, but they know that they are the ones following the Bible and everyone else is just making stuff up.

    "Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible." (The Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1967. p. 587) "It should be expected that the Lord would have a means of communication to his people on the earth, and he has clearly shown that the magazine called The Watchtower is used for that purpose." (1939 Yearbook of Jehovah's Witnesses, p. 85.) Thus the Jehova Witnesses do not read the Bible, in their Bible studies they read the "interpretations" of the Bible presented in their Watchtower magazine, as carefully prepared by their organization which also produce Bibles which have been modified to conform to their interpretation.

    "From time to time, there have arisen from among the ranks of Jehovah's people those, who, like the original Satan, have adopted an independent, faultfinding attitude...They say that it is sufficient to read the Bible exclusively, either alone or in small groups at home. But, strangely, through such ‘Bible reading,' they have reverted right back to the apostate doctrines that commentaries by Christendom's clergy were teaching 100 years ago..." (The Watchtower, August 15, 1981). Thus those JWs who actually read the Bible eventually find out that the Watchtower interpretation is wrong.

    The JWs not only substitute their literature for the Bible but they also substitute their organization for God Himself. "We cannot claim to love God, yet deny his word and channel of communication." (The Watchtower, October 1, 1967, p. 591) The channel of communication here refers to the Watchtower organization.

    Most of the doctrinal issues on which they disagree with traditional Christianity and the worldwide consensus are not ones that I care about too much. I pretty much consider the issues of Christiology and Trinity to be distractions from the most important things. Our attempts to define and describe the details of God's nature are a pretty absurd undertaking but as long as we do not attach to much importance to it, it is harmless. Unfortunately history proves that people tend to take their ideas in these issues so seriously that it becomes divisive. And this is why tradition and the consensus of Christianity are guided on these issues by the Nicean councils which in turn were guided mainly by the effort to avoid contradiction with scripture. Therefore, the real problem is that the JWs place so much importance on these issues themselves, that they see everyone who disagrees with them as Satanic. Thus I must agree with the consensus of Christianity that the Jehova Witnesses are not Christian, but heretical.
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    I havent got the time to answer every lie that is posted about gods people. But for sensible people who want to learn, here this may help.

    1. Jesus started one true Christian religion. So today there must be just one body, or group, of true worshipers of Jehovah God. (John 4:23, 24; Ephesians 4:4, 5) The Bible teaches that only a few people are on the narrow road to life.—Matthew 7:13, 14.

    2. The Bible foretold that after the death of the apostles, wrong teachings and unchristian practices would slowly come into the Christian congregation. Men would draw away believers to follow them instead of Christ. (Matthew 7:15, 21-23; Acts 20:29, 30) That is why we see so many different religions that claim to be Christian. How can we identify true Christians?

    3. The most outstanding mark of true Christians is that they have real love among themselves. (John 13:34, 35) They are not taught to think that they are better than people of other races or skin color. Neither are they taught to hate people from other countries. (Acts 10:34, 35) So they do not share in wars. True Christians treat one another as brothers and sisters.—1 John 4:20, 21.

    4. Another mark of true religion is that its members have a deep respect for the Bible. They accept it as the Word of God and believe what it says. (John 17:17; 2 Timothy 3:16, 17) They treat God's Word as being more important than human ideas or customs. (Matthew 15:1-3, 7-9) They try to live by the Bible in their everyday life. So they do not preach one thing and then practice another.—Titus 1:15, 16.

    5. The true religion must also honor God's name. (Matthew 6:9) Jesus made God's name, Jehovah, known to others. True Christians must do the same. (John 17:6, 26; Romans 10:13, 14) Who are the people in your community that tell others about God's name?

    6. True Christians must preach about God's Kingdom. Jesus did so. He always talked about the Kingdom. (Luke 8:1) He commanded his disciples to preach this same message in all the earth. (Matthew 24:14; 28:19, 20) True Christians believe that only God's Kingdom will bring true peace and security to this earth.—Psalm 146:3-5.

    7. Jesus' disciples must be no part of this wicked world. (John 17:16) They do not get involved in the world's political affairs and social controversies. They avoid the harmful conduct, practices, and attitudes that are common in the world. (James 1:27; 4:4) Can you identify a religious group in your community that has these marks of true Christianity?

    The key points above show that there is one religion and jehovahs witnesses are that one group.

    Ps. you can use any bible to look up the above scriptures. Try it at home when you have time.
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    This post by Truth1010 is a reposting of what he posted in another thread, and it is a practice which he does a lot. Does this come under the definition of spamming? It is certainly showing a habit of making canned replies without thoughtful consideration of what other people have posted. Truth1010 is not participating in discussion but practicing religious solicitation, and doing so in a place and manner which will get him nowhere. Is this behavior appropriate in this forum?
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    Prof also did the same thing. Yet the admins wash their hand to any decision making regarding halting it. At least to prof. I've suugested voting, which was turned down, limiting the amount of threads or post he/she could make, which was turned down, banning was turned down, deleting posts which hold pure preaching and no debating was turned down...

    ^ the turned down parts were regarding the muslim Prof. The same results would regard Truth, since he's basically doing the same thing.

    If you can think of something NOT turned down, let me know, maybe then we can get RID of these annoying missionaries. Or shall we start a petition asking the administrators to make a rule against blinded preaching?
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    I agree with the above two posts. It is very annoying what Truth1010 is doing and is not an effective way to discuss issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht
    Prof also did the same thing. Yet the admins wash their hand to any decision making regarding halting it. At least to prof. I've suugested voting, which was turned down, limiting the amount of threads or post he/she could make, which was turned down, banning was turned down, deleting posts which hold pure preaching and no debating was turned down...

    ^ the turned down parts were regarding the muslim Prof. The same results would regard Truth, since he's basically doing the same thing.

    If you can think of something NOT turned down, let me know, maybe then we can get RID of these annoying missionaries. Or shall we start a petition asking the administrators to make a rule against blinded preaching?
    Prof was warned and given chances to mend his ways, and many threads were trashed or combined so it is inncorrect to say that nothing was done.
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    I did not say nothing was done. I DID say that nothing was done to permanently stop it. He just kept making more threads, and in cases where he did not, he made more preaching posts. The threads were dealt with, the posts were not.
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