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    Ok now like many of you guys I've heard a bit about scientology, mostly propaganda in fairness, usually pretty negative seemingly from both the science and the religious communities. Perhaps it's also fair to say there doesn't seem much accurate information about the 'science' part and how it's being incorporated into what is classified as a religion, so anyone care to have a crack at explaining what the science in scientology actually is ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    Ok now like many of you guys I've heard a bit about scientology, mostly propaganda in fairness, usually pretty negative seemingly from both the science and the religious communities. Perhaps it's also fair to say there doesn't seem much accurate information about the 'science' part and how it's being incorporated into what is classified as a religion, so anyone care to have a crack at explaining what the science in scientology actually is ?
    There isn't hardly any, if at all. Mostly hard core pseudoscience.

    I once found an old phonetic translation into Afrikaans book on scientology in a library. Creepy as all hell.

    Have you read through the Wiki page? Scientology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Might be easier than quoting everything here.

    It is ridiculous nonsense on the face of it.


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    Cheers guys. Hey Kal I can't understand what the scooby they're actually doing, they seem to have some wierd electronic gizmo with, from what I can see, no real discernible function and use it to decide whether people need spiritual healing! I was kind of thinking perhaps of being a bit unfair and they must at least be some science involved, like some kind of process going you can pin down and understand what's going on, but no I can't figure out what is really going on. I mean putting aside, as is logical to do, all the whack job alien stuff, your still left with scientologists going around with their wierd gizmo telling folks they need healing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    Cheers guys. Hey Kal I can't understand what the scooby they're actually doing, they seem to have some wierd electronic gizmo with, from what I can see, no real discernible function and use it to decide whether people need spiritual healing! I was kind of thinking perhaps of being a bit unfair and they must at least be some science involved, like some kind of process going you can pin down and understand what's going on, but no I can't figure out what is really going on. I mean putting aside, as is logical to do, all the whack job alien stuff, your still left with scientologists going around with their wierd gizmo telling folks they need healing!
    Yep.

    The E-meter is supposed to measure something they made up called "engrams", which are like repressed memories that supposedly hold you back. Then they make you talk about it in-depth until the "E-meter" says it is no longer a problem. This device and methodology were supposedly developed scientifically, but of course, there is no peer review. Then of course, like you said, you have all the other nonsense about "Thetans" and "Xenu", etc., exactly the kind of stuff a science fiction writer would come up with in the 50s.


    The odd thing about Scientology is that so many people believe in it. I mean there is no end to the crap some people will believe, but it has taken off quite a bit. Some of the reason I think is the effect the "auditing" has on people by having those memories shared in an accepting environment. As warped as it is, it does provide something for people to believe in who desperately need something to believe in. Problem is that it doesn't really help them necessarily, merely creates that dependence that the church then profits off of handsomely.

    Utterly despicable. Still, I kind of liked Battlefield Earth.
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    my knowledge of scientology started and ended over 40 years ago at southern illinois university
    from that limited sampling
    it seemed that their main focus was using biofeedback to control heartrate, respiration, tension, etc...
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    Cheers again for the info guys, sounds like something I'll give a very wide berth, seems like the negative propaganda could well be deserved. Still you do have wonder about these things, at least until have learned otherwise, when you see and hear celebs like Tom Cruise are heavily involved. It did kind of make me wonder, but I didn't have a scooby what they were really doing, from what you guys are telling sounds they don't neither.

    PS Kal, hey then at least you can forgive John Travolata, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    Cheers again for the info guys, sounds like something I'll give a very wide berth, seems like the negative propaganda could well be deserved. Still you do have wonder about these things, at least until have learned otherwise, when you see and hear celebs like Tom Cruise are heavily involved. It did kind of make me wonder, but I didn't have a scooby what they were really doing, from what you guys are telling sounds they don't neither.

    PS Kal, hey then at least you can forgive John Travolata, lol.
    Nah, he made Face/Off. Can't forgive a man for that. Plus, he's got a weird face.

    If you want, try and Google for some videos of Tom Cruise being crazy while talking about Scientology.
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    And never forget. They do real harm.

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    Some of the reason I think is the effect the "auditing" has on people by having those memories shared in an accepting environment. As warped as it is, it does provide something for people to believe in who desperately need something to believe in.
    That's maybe OK for those who just need a sympathetic ear and a supportive environment. The real problem is that scientologists actively oppose any and all psychotherapy along with any and all psychoactive medications. So people suffering from serious mental illnesses like schizophrenia or depression, both of which can lead to self-harm - including suicide, are prevented from getting professional medical help if the scientologists get hold of them first or persuaded to abandon their medications if they get involved with them after proper diagnosis and treatment.

    Why else do people joining up need to sign a legally binding waiver?
    From the wiki - Scientology and psychiatry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Following legal actions involving the Church of Scientology's relationship with its members, it has become standard practice within the group for members to sign lengthy legal contracts and waivers before engaging in Scientology services. In 2003, a series of media reports examined the legal contracts required by Scientology, which require that, among other things, Scientology followers deny any and all psychiatric care that their doctors may prescribe to them:

    I do not believe in or subscribe to psychiatric labels for individuals. It is my strongly held religious belief that all mental problems are spiritual in nature and that there is no such thing as a mentally incompetent person — only those suffering from spiritual upset of one kind or another dramatized by an individual. I reject all psychiatric labels and intend for this Contract to clearly memorialize my desire to be helped exclusively through religious, spiritual means and not through any form of psychiatric treatment, specifically including involuntary commitment based on so-called lack of competence. Under no circumstances, at any time, do I wish to be denied my right to care from members of my religion to the exclusion of psychiatric care or psychiatric directed care, regardless of what any psychiatrist, medical person, designated member of the state or family member may assert supposedly on my behalf.
    (My bold and underlining.)


    Personally, I think they're evil.
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    Just for clarity, I wasn't pointing out a positive, just trying to figure out why it is so successful. I fully agree that it is a sinister and harmful organisation to the core.
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    Katie Holmes left Tom Cruise and one of her concerns was the brain washing it would do to their daughter.

    Personally I think he is gay and homosexuality is not a popular thing in Scientology.

    Scientology and sexual orientation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    In the "circles" of the business, story goes that both Nicole and Katie were given contracts to marry and have his children. Nicole split early and Katie split smart...making sure she got her daughter for fear of her daughter being brain washed by Scientology. Makes you wonder.
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    While agreeing with those who feel scientology is a bad thing I am unable to have nothing less than total admiration for Hubbard. To say at the outset "I am con man and I am going to con you", then to do so openly and succeed is pure genius. Yes, it is not right to take advantage of the gullible and the ignorant, but to have the balls and the insight to realise he could do it publicly and then go ahead and implement leaves me hugely impressed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    While agreeing with those who feel scientology is a bad thing I am unable to have nothing less than total admiration for Hubbard. To say at the outset "I am con man and I am going to con you", then to do so openly and succeed is pure genius. Yes, it is not right to take advantage of the gullible and the ignorant, but to have the balls and the insight to realise he could do it publicly and then go ahead and implement leaves me hugely impressed.
    ůmind you, I suppose it is a bit like remarking, "Say what you like about the Nazis, they had great uniforms". (Which Brian Ferry said, I think, and was duly pilloried for.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    Ok now like many of you guys I've heard a bit about scientology, mostly propaganda in fairness, usually pretty negative seemingly from both the science and the religious communities. Perhaps it's also fair to say there doesn't seem much accurate information about the 'science' part and how it's being incorporated into what is classified as a religion, so anyone care to have a crack at explaining what the science in scientology actually is ?
    How to steal people's money with a cult.

    There's a website containing a history and biography of Hubbard that is actually quite interesting to read, if you have any interest in the history of this nuttery. Let me scrounge up a link.

    Operation Clambake - The Inner Secrets Of Scientology

    In specific, I read this: Bare-Faced Messiah
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    Operation Clambake - The Inner Secrets Of Scientology

    In specific, I read this: Bare-Faced Messiah

    (Damn I thought I could delete this... anyway I merged it up into the other post, if someone could do the honors for me <_<)
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    My life Is what anyone else? A science?
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    Quote Originally Posted by beingNailed View Post
    My life Is what anyone else? A science?
    Not a science. And, huh?
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