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    1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?

    God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
    Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)

    2. In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?

    Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
    One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

    3. How many fighting men were found in Judah?

    Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
    Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)
    4. God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?

    Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
    Three (I Chronicles 21:12)
    5. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?

    Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
    Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)

    6. How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?

    Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)
    Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)

    7. How long did he rule over Jerusalem?

    Three months (2 Kings 24:8)
    Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)
    8. The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?

    Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:8)
    Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)

    9. When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?

    After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
    Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)

    10. How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?

    Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
    Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)

    11. When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?

    One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)
    Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)

    12. How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?

    Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)
    Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)
    13. In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha, King of Israel die?

    Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 - 16:8)
    Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)

    14. How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?

    Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)
    Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)

    15. Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?

    Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)
    Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)

    16. Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab?

    Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6)
    Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11)

    17. How many were the children of Zattu?

    Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:8)
    Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13)

    18. How many were the children of Azgad?

    One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12)
    Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17)
    19. How many were the children of Adin?

    Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15)
    Six hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20)

    20. How many were the children of Hashum?

    Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19)
    Three hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22)


    wait for the other contradictions.


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    heres the koran contradictions to balance the argument(but i saved the other members from the cut and paste method)

    heres the first 85 koran contradictions

    http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/

    and another 11 more koran contradictions

    http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/ashraf.html


    sorry thats only 96 koran contradictions but its a good start


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    Quote Originally Posted by captaincaveman
    heres the koran contradictions to balance the argument(but i saved the other members from the cut and paste method)

    heres the first 85 koran contradictions

    http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/

    and another 11 more koran contradictions

    http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/ashraf.html


    sorry thats only 96 koran contradictions but its a good start
    HAHHAAAAAAAAA it is USELESS

    I can reply to all 96 verses but you dont deserve that and this will cost me a lot of time..Maybe I will send you the reply one day when I will be free.OK?
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    21. How many were the children of Bethel and Ai?

    Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:28)
    One hundred and twenty-three (Nehemiah 7:32)
    22. Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the numbers do not add up to anything close. The totals obtained from each book is as follows:

    29,818 (Ezra)
    31,089 (Nehemiah)
    23. How many singers accompanied the assembly?

    Two hundred (Ezra 2:65)
    Two hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:67)
    24. What was the name of King Abijahs mother?

    Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2)
    Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27)
    25. Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?

    Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)
    No (Joshua 15:63)
    26. Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?

    Jacob (Matthew 1:16)
    Hell (Luke 3:23)
    27. Jesus descended from which son of David?

    Solomon (Matthew 1:6)
    Nathan(Luke3:31)
    28. Who was the father of Shealtiel?

    Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12)
    Neri (Luke 3:27)
    29. Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ?

    Abiud (Matthew 1: 13)
    Rhesa (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway.
    30. Who was the father of Uzziah?

    Joram (Matthew 1:8)
    Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1)
    31. Who was the father of Jechoniah?

    Josiah (Matthew 1:11)
    Jeholakim (I Chronicles 3:16)
    32. How many generations were there from the Babylonian exile until Christ?

    Matthew says fourteen (Matthew 1:17)
    But a careful count of the generations reveals only thirteen (see Matthew 1: 12-16)
    33. Who was the father of Shelah?

    Cainan (Luke 3:35-36)
    Arphaxad (Genesis II: 12)
    34. Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?

    Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13)
    No (John 1:19-21)
    35. Would Jesus inherit Davids throne?

    Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32)
    No, since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1: I 1, I Chronicles 3:16). And Jehoiakim was cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon Davids throne (Jeremiah 36:30)
    36. Jesus rode into Jerusalem on how many animals?

    One - a colt (Mark 11:7; cf Luke 19:3 5). And they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments on it; and he sat upon it.
    Two - a colt and an ass (Matthew 21:7). They brought the ass and the colt and put their garments on them and he sat thereon.
    37. How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the Christ?

    By a revelation from heaven (Matthew 16:17)
    His brother Andrew told him (John 1:41)
    38. Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?

    By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22)
    On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:43)
    39. When Jesus met Jairus was Jairus daughter already dead?

    Yes. Matthew 9:18 quotes him as saying, My daughter has just died.
    No. Mark 5:23 quotes him as saying, My little daughter is at the point of death.
    40. Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey?

    Yes (Mark 6:8)
    No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3)
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Quote Originally Posted by captaincaveman
    heres the koran contradictions to balance the argument(but i saved the other members from the cut and paste method)

    heres the first 85 koran contradictions

    http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/

    and another 11 more koran contradictions

    http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/ashraf.html


    sorry thats only 96 koran contradictions but its a good start
    HAHHAAAAAAAAA it is USELESS

    its exactly the same as yours all verifiable, oh ofcourse the koran cant be wrong
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    Girls at the age of 3 were forced into sex in both the Talmud and the Bible. Also, the age consent in US and Europe was as low as 10


    OH no how could this happen??????

    see the link:---------------------->
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm
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    The Terror in the Bible
    Oh no some ignorants said it in Islam HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA


    see the link now to make sure:
    http://www.answering-christianity.co...inthebible.htm
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    *sigh* here we go again...

    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    The Terror in the Bible
    Oh no some ignorants said it in Islam HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA


    see the link now to make sure:
    http://www.answering-christianity.co...inthebible.htm

    Girls at the age of 3 were forced into sex in both the Talmud and the Bible. Also, the age consent in US and Europe was as low as 10


    OH no how could this happen??????

    see the link:---------------------->
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm
    Lets look at similar facts in the qur'an.

    Pedophilia: http://www.homa.org/Details.asp?ContentID=2137352728

    Terrorism: http://islam.about.com/library/weekly/aa090402a.htm

    Your religion is far from exempt from the same contradictions (and more) than those of the bible. Also, none here that I know of are very religious. And atheists "religiously" point out those contradictions anyway.

    What's the point? You aren't proving islam is peaceful. Other posts I've made with qur'an passages suggest the direct opposite.
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    and hows this apply to me. Im an athiest and see bad in all religions.

    The difference being that no christian will defend this as being ok. In islam you still wont accept the fact the mohammed was infact a child molestor which is proven in your koran. The fact is child brides are still happening in some muslim countrys legally by that countrys laws. That happens in no western country legally

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=5541006
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    Quote Originally Posted by captaincaveman
    and hows this apply to me. Im an athiest and see bad in all religions.

    The difference being that no christian will defend this as being ok. In islam you still wont accept the fact the mohammed was infact a child molestor which is proven in your koran. The fact is child brides are still happening in some muslim countrys legally by that countrys laws. That happens in no western country legally
    One other thing:

    Also, the age consent in US and Europe was as low as 10:
    Erm...no it wasn't. The age of consent in europe hasn't been that low since Rome. Plus, in the USA, the age of consent used to be 16. It was bumped up to 18 in only "recent" years.

    Also, as my previous link shows, pedophilia is rather rampant in islamic countries. I can provide other links if need be.
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    I'm not Bible friendly but numbers mean nothing. If one guy says 10 and another says 20, there are at least 10. As for who is related to whom it means squat, if you go back to Eden then you have to admit we're all related. Yes and No could depend on who's side you're on, winning a battle, losing a war or vice versa. Those are contradictions I suppose but hardly concrete. Contradictions do take away some creibility and validity, Makes one wonder why it wasn't proofread.

    I'm the last guy you'd might expect to rally behind a Bible. The only line in there worth it's salt may be 'let there be light'. You know, ' and then the whole friggin' place lit up.'

    My Bible was the 4th leg of my sofa when I was in college, very useful in that respect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht
    *sigh* here we go again...

    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    The Terror in the Bible
    Oh no some ignorants said it in Islam HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA


    see the link now to make sure:
    http://www.answering-christianity.co...inthebible.htm

    Girls at the age of 3 were forced into sex in both the Talmud and the Bible. Also, the age consent in US and Europe was as low as 10


    OH no how could this happen??????

    see the link:---------------------->
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm
    Lets look at similar facts in the qur'an.

    Pedophilia: http://www.homa.org/Details.asp?ContentID=2137352728

    Terrorism: http://islam.about.com/library/weekly/aa090402a.htm

    Your religion is far from exempt from the same contradictions (and more) than those of the bible. Also, none here that I know of are very religious. And atheists "religiously" point out those contradictions anyway.

    What's the point? You aren't proving islam is peaceful. Other posts I've made with qur'an passages suggest the direct opposite.

    wont yuou stop lieing lieing and lieing????

    THE QURAAN DONT HAVE THE SAME VERSES what are these two stupid sites???
    it is nothing do u have the same verses i challenge you to bring something like that :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
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    Quote Originally Posted by captaincaveman
    and hows this apply to me. Im an athiest and see bad in all religions.

    The difference being that no christian will defend this as being ok. In islam you still wont accept the fact the mohammed was infact a child molestor which is proven in your koran. The fact is child brides are still happening in some muslim countrys legally by that countrys laws. That happens in no western country legally

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=5541006
    Do u have the same verses in Quraan this is my challenge to you all???
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    It's rather ironic that a theist is pointing out contradictions in a rather like minded perception and take on logic.
    "A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeeded be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." Albert Einstein
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    wont yuou stop lieing lieing and lieing????

    THE QURAAN DONT HAVE THE SAME VERSES what are these two stupid sites???
    it is nothing do u have the same verses i challenge you to bring something like that :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
    Er...yes they do. The verses say something similar. You are using straw man tactics. Your post does nothing to refute mine, and you utterly avoid it. You are becoming a severe waste of time.

    We did not, nor will not, say the same verses exist in the qur'an. However there are verses that convey similar meanings of pedophilia, and cases of it, etc. The evidence has been provided. You obviously ignored it.

    Also, your bad english is either impairing your ability to comprehend our sentences, or you are that illiterate by choice.

    ----edit----
    I redirect you to the link by caveman.
    http://www.apostatesofislam.com/

    Unless of course you somehow manage to weasel in, despite my post on another thread, that english is mysteriously flawed because we're using your own quotes against you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Quote Originally Posted by captaincaveman
    and hows this apply to me. Im an athiest and see bad in all religions.

    The difference being that no christian will defend this as being ok. In islam you still wont accept the fact the mohammed was infact a child molestor which is proven in your koran. The fact is child brides are still happening in some muslim countrys legally by that countrys laws. That happens in no western country legally

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=5541006
    Do u have the same verses in Quraan this is my challenge to you all???
    heres some quotes from sahih bukhari

    http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/ayesha.htm

    and a wiki

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha's_age_at_marriage
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    I do not see how the verses cited in Numbers advocate or promote pedophilia. They are instructed not to kill virgin girls. There is no indication as to what was to be done with them.

    We are left only to speculate as to their fate. If someone thinks they were to be "pedophiled," I would suggest it is their own liking for such an outcome that produces that eventual speculative outcome for them. I am inclined to believe they were to be raised to marrying age because Jews, like Muslims, were not to marry non-virgins.

    Next thing you know someone will claim they were to take the sheep for some perverted sexual act, too.
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    Well, I left the scriptural interpretations up to someone else. Being an atheist, and since theological interpretation isn't something I care to bother with, I can't really bother to argue with him on a philosophical interpreting level. Especially since I disagree with the bible to begin with. Any theist out there willing to do so? >.>
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    I am not certain this is a matter of interpretation at all. It is a matter of fabrication and expansion. The army was instructed to kill all persons except young female virgins. This instruction is not subject to interpretation unless someone has a different understanding of the word "kill." Nothing in either of the two cited passages discusses the future plans for the survivors. Nor is this a matter of interpretation. There is nothing there to interpret.

    To conclude that God ordered and sanctioned some pedophilic mass rape is just flat fabrication which is not even hinted at in the verses, even by reading in between the lines. No theist can interpret that which is not there to interpret.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daytonturner
    I am not certain this is a matter of interpretation at all. It is a matter of fabrication and expansion. The army was instructed to kill all persons except young female virgins. This instruction is not subject to interpretation unless someone has a different understanding of the word "kill." Nothing in either of the two cited passages discusses the future plans for the survivors. Nor is this a matter of interpretation. There is nothing there to interpret.

    To conclude that God ordered and sanctioned some pedophilic mass rape is just flat fabrication which is not even hinted at in the verses, even by reading in between the lines. No theist can interpret that which is not there to interpret.

    i take it your referring to the bible
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    Yes, I was referring to the verses in Numbers 31 that the infidel Muslim's site reference had used to fabricate something that is not there nor even implied there -- 17-18 and 35-38.

    Sadly, it appears this wonderful example if Muslim irrationality has departed our midst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daytonturner
    Yes, I was referring to the verses in Numbers 31 that the infidel Muslim's site reference had used to fabricate something that is not there nor even implied there -- 17-18 and 35-38.

    Sadly, it appears this wonderful example if Muslim irrationality has departed our midst.

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    this is my challenge:

    Bring any verse from the bible prove that Jesus is god..
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    this is my challenge:

    Bring any verse from the bible prove that Jesus is god..
    Since you keep ignoring these I'm going to repost them in all your threads until I get a comment. These are from the web site in your signature. ....From Islamweb.net. These are the teachings of the Koran.

    Can I watch television?... (Fatwa 603)... Allah has forbidden the watching of dancing, listening to music, or watching indecent films other than religious programs. A man must supervise what his wife and children watch.

    Can I play soccer?....(Fatwa 1490)... Playing with men is forbidden by Allah. You may play only with women and where no man can see you.

    Can I go dancing?...(Fatwa 1764)... No. Dancing is unlawful as is music. It is considered shameless by Allah.

    Can I go swimming?....(Fatwa 418 and 1777) Yes, as long as no alien man, brother, son, or daughter is able to see you. You must also be covered over the entire body with no flesh showing. A Muslim should fear Almighty Allah.

    Can I wear makeup?... (Fatwa 1160) It is prohibited for a woman to go out with makeup except when she is completely covered up. If she is not covering her face then going out with make up is absolutely prohibited.

    Can my husband beat me....(Fatwa 4282)... Yes, as long as he does not leave any marks or break her bones.

    People in Hell...(Fatwa 311) Most of the inhabitants in hell will be women.

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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    this is my challenge:

    Bring any verse from the bible prove that Jesus is god..

    no quotes from either the bible OR the koran can prove any existance for a god. haven't you learnt this yet.
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    I think the christian bible only claims jesus to be the son of God, born of immaculate conception.Came to earth was a very nice chap (by all contemporary accounts - even the Romans), whereas ol 'm' seems to have been a cut-throat ruffian who had people impaled on spikes and talked to the ants...
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    The bible states numerous times that jesus is the sun of god. Only certain christians believe otherwise, largely due to the trinity (which is a contradiction of those very scriptures).
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    I must say that this profahmfaw is one of the most uninformed Muslims I've ever seen. You disgrace your religion! In every thread you spread fallic ideas. Islam means "submission to God" so one would imagine that a Muslim would have an intimate knowledge of his religion.

    Jesus is esteemed by the followers of Islam as a great prophet. The only two that are exalted above him in all of Islam are Mohammed and Allah. A true Muslim would not start such a disrespectful thread because it would be disrespecting himself in the process. Furthermore, it wasn't the Bible that stated that Jesus is God, it's like others have stated: Catholicism and 19th and 20th century evangelists did.
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    The bible is every bit as mythical as the koran. This kind of debate might be better suited for a religious or social board than a science board. Topics at a Religion section of a Science forum would be more about the scientific and rational perspective of religion and how science and religion affect each other.

    Debates between which religious superstition is just comical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    this is my challenge:

    Bring any verse from the bible prove that Jesus is god..
    I think it is generally agreed that accepting this is a matter of faith not proof.

    Therefore, what is the point of this thread? As id has pointed out, you are not doing your religion any favours, but rather are casting it in a bad light.
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    I must say that this profahmfaw is one of the most uninformed Muslims I've ever seen. You disgrace your religion! In every thread you spread fallic ideas. Islam means "submission to God" so one would imagine that a Muslim would have an intimate knowledge of his religion.

    Jesus is esteemed by the followers of Islam as a great prophet. The only two that are exalted above him in all of Islam are Mohammed and Allah. A true Muslim would not start such a disrespectful thread because it would be disrespecting himself in the process. Furthermore, it wasn't the Bible that stated that Jesus is God, it's like others have stated: Catholicism and 19th and 20th century evangelists did.
    Yes Islam already respect prohet Jesus (Essa in arabic) but Islam look to him as just a human ....All prophets [including the prophet of Islam Mohamad (PBHU)] were just humans this is what islam says.
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    While I realize that for those who do not accept the Bible as the word of God, it does not provide uncontroverted “proof” of Jesus’ diety, there are a number of verses which are sufficient for believers to be able to believe that Jesus was Messiah – God in the flesh.

    Some make a direct statement and others provide information from which one can imply Jesus’ divinity.

    The major proofs come from the trial of Jesus. First of all he was on trial (and convicted) for blasphemy – the blasphemy of claiming to have supernatural powers which the Jews ascribed only to God. So on that count, Jesus was tried and convicted for claiming to be God.

    Mark 14:61-64: “But he held his peace and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, ‘Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?’ And Jesus said, ‘I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.’ Then the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, ‘What need we any further witnesses? Ye have heard the blasphemy: What think ye?’ And they all condemned him to be guilty of death.”

    The other synoptic versions of this story use, “Ye say,” or “Thou has said.” Instead of “I am.” These phrases are literal translations of the Greek idiom, humeis legete, which was the polite and customary way to say, “Yes.” English has a similar idiom, “You said it, dude,” which would indicate agreement.

    The three statements in that passage – Son of the Blessed, Son of man and coming in the clouds of heaven – all have strong messianic implications.

    In John 10:30-33 “(Jesus says,) ‘I and my father are one.’ Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him Jesus answered them, ‘Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do yet stone me?’ The Jews answered him, saying, ‘For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because thou, being a man, makest thyself God.’”

    The word ascribed to the “one” in Jesus statement is hen, a neuter noun rather than heis, the masculine. The difference in connotation was that he was not claiming that he was one person with the father, but one essence.”

    In John 5:17-18: “But Jesus answered them, ‘My father worketh hitherto, and I [now] work.’ Therefore the Jews sought th more to kill him, because he not only had broken the Sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.”

    But probably the most significant claim is in John 8:58: “Jesus said unto them, Verily, Verily, I say unto you. Before Abraham was, I am.” Here, Jesus invokes the strongest oath available in their language with the verily, verily preface. In this statement he is claiming pre-existence and uses the phrase “I am” which was what God told Moses when he asked who he should say had sent him. The implication of this statement is a blatantly obvious in-your-face claim of deity by Jesus.

    A couple of other statements by Jesus – “If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.” “He that hath seen me hath seen the Father.” “All men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father He that honoreth not the son, honoreth not the Father which hath sent him. Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death unto life.”

    While these versus may not be acceptable as “proof” that Jesus was God, they certainly show that He claimed to be God and the Jews of the day understood that he was claiming to be God.

    Anyone can disbelieve the deity of Christ, but you cannot use the Bible to deny that he was Messiah. He claimed it, the Jews were livid over it, and he was executed for so claiming.

    We are left to decide if he was a liar, a lunatic or who He claimed to be. I believe he was Messiah.
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    Actually, jesus was king of the jews. He never claimed to be god. Because he used the term "king" they perceived him to be making himself equal to god. I do believe he corrected this error in later scriptures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daytonturner
    We are left to decide if he was a liar, a lunatic or who He claimed to be. I believe he was Messiah.
    To me he was neither of the three. He was not a liar, not a God, and a lunatic is too strong of a word to describe him so maybe delusional. "A delusion is an unshakable belief in something untrue"

    Don't get me wrong here. I may be an atheist but I think Jesus was truly a man who did great deeds and has my respect but he was just a man who really thought there was someone up there and even died for it.

    "Why hath thou forsaken me"..... has always bothered me.

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    Well, the trial does come somewhat late in Jesus' career -- like the morning of the day of his noontime execution. He obviously was claiming deity at that time. Not sure what chance he had after that to deny these claims. His allusions and claims to Messiahship are far more numerous than I mentioned in my earlier post.

    For example in John 4:25-26 in His contact with the woman at the well: "The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. Jesus saith unto her, 'I that speak unto thee am he.'"

    Seems pretty plain to me that he claimed to be the Messiah on this occasion.

    It was actually the Romans who called him the King of the Jews and did so in a pajorative manner.

    In one instance Jesus does not deny kingship when one of his desciples calls him King of Israel.

    An exchange on this subject which takes place between Jesus and Pilate just before his execution is found in John 18:33-37.

    Pilate asks Jesus if he is the King of the Jews. Jesus asks him back if he is asking this because he himself is wondering or if it is because he has heard this from others. Pilate answers to the effect, How would I know, I'm not a Jew. Just what is it you did that got you here?"

    Jesus replies, "My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."

    In this response, Jesus denies actual physical kingship but seems to imply a different kind of kingship prompting Pilate to ask, “Art thou a king then?”

    Jesus answers, “Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born and for this cause I came into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Everyone that is of the truth heareth my voice.”

    I am not certain if Jesus’ first sentence is the idiomatic affirmative agreement or an allusion to the pejorative nature of Pilate's presumptiveness. But he follows up with the idea that his real job was to bear witness to the truth. It is not clear to me if he is thus denying kingship or suggesting that his job as king was to bear witness to the truth. But he then suggests that if Pilate knew the truth, he would also know the answer to his question. (By implication, it would be the same for all men, even now.)

    To which Pilate replies, “What is truth.” This was not so much a question as a statement to the effect of who cares what the truth is. Sort of like the Tina Turner movie title, “What’s Love Got to do with it.” As far as Pilate was concerned, truth was not important to this situation.

    Overall, I would suggest that Jesus claims to Massiaship – and with it divinity – far outweigh his claims (if any) to kingship.

    However, jeremy, I cannot help but wonder if your statement here that Jesus claimed kingship is a repudiation of your earlier claim on another thread that you do not even believe there was an history character known as Jesus of Nazareth who was an itinerate Jewish preacher. There does seem to be a contradiction here.

    Perhaps jeremy can find some scripture which he thinks back his suggestion that Jesus recanted his claim to deity while actually claiming the kingship he seemed to deny before Pilate.
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    Hey I have a challenge for Muslims (and christians), prove that mighty "Thor" the norse god of thunder does not exist. :wink:

    And I have a quote from the scriptures of Thor;

    "and they shall deny that the Mighty Thor does exist, as it has been foretold, infidels and atheist of Thor denying that the Pantheon of all the Norse gods are the only true gods by quoting from false books they will call holy"

    You read it, the scripture says that Thor exists and that all non Norse gods do not. Of course I just wrote it and it is Thor that told me exactly what to write, and now that it is written its true. :wink:

    Watch this video and behold in breathless wonder at thor's magnificence:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q631uZ6DQzg

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    Quote Originally Posted by icewendigo
    Hey I have a challenge for Muslims (and christians), prove that mighty "Thor" the norse god of thunder does not exist. :wink:

    And I have a quote from the scriptures of Thor;

    "and they shall deny that the Mighty Thor does exist, as it has been foretold, infidels and atheist of Thor denying that the Pantheon of all the Norse gods are the only true gods by quoting from false books they will call holy"

    You read it, the scripture says that Thor exists and that all non Norse gods do not. Of course I just wrote it and it is Thor that told me exactly what to write, and now that it is written its true. :wink:

    Watch this video and weep with awe at thor's magnificence:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q631uZ6DQzg

    At least you can draw cartoons of thor without someone dying
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettina
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    We are left to decide if he was a liar, a lunatic or who He claimed to be. I believe he was Messiah.
    To me he was neither of the three. He was not a liar, not a God, and a lunatic is too strong of a word to describe him so maybe delusional. "A delusion is an unshakable belief in something untrue"

    Don't get me wrong here. I may be an atheist but I think Jesus was truly a man who did great deeds and has my respect but he was just a man who really thought there was someone up there and even died for it.

    "Why hath thou forsaken me"..... has always bothered me.

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    woow I am really suprised with your reply ...all what you said muslims believe in it....muslims believe that Jesus was just human like all prophets ..they respect him and believe that he did not sacrifice himself forsake the people.....he also was sent to jewish and no body else but Islam was sent to all over the world...muslims believe that Jesus was sent to the skies to come back in the last days.

    Islam calls to study natural sciences and look in the skies and earth ...and calls to study the history of ancient civilization you will find many verses tell you that..

    if you visited the library of congress,you would find in the roof these words in golden color "The Progress in the natural sciences was achieved thanks to the Islamic Arabic civilization"
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    At the end of the day its all just fiction, some people are willing to base their whole lives around a ficticious book. Not me id rather spend my time living and experiencing the world
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    Quote Originally Posted by captaincaveman
    At least you can draw cartoons of thor without someone dying
    Yep. Draw a picture of Jesus all you want, but draw one of Allah and they will kill you, your family, and anyone who associates with you.

    So if you draw one, please don't mention my name.

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    this is my challenge:

    Bring any verse from the bible prove that Jesus is god..
    What kind of challenge is this? Muslims don't accept one word of the Bible as being the truth and yet they hold it to be a very holy book. Regardless of what is presented as far as passages written in the Bible the Muslim will find it easy to ignore as no proof at all.

    In any case there are plenty of passages which suggest this.

    1) One of which is that Jesus was born of immaculate conseption and thus even his birth was unlike that of any being in recorded history.

    2) After John the Bapsist baptised Jesus the sky opened up and God declared (Matthew 3:17) And a voice from heaven said, "This is my son in whom I am well pleased." Therefore we do not look to Jesus and expect him to tell us profound lies about himself. We expect more from the Son of God.

    3) In John 10:30 we read I and the Father are one.

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    At least you can draw cartoons of thor without someone dying
    Yep. Draw a picture of Jesus all you want, but draw one of Allah and they will kill you, your family, and anyone who associates with you.

    So if you draw one, please don't mention my name.

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    dont think theres anything insulting with it
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    and i bet there weren't any christians now burning buildings or killing when that wall-mart advert was displayed. The muslim reaction was pathetic, reminded me of a spoilt child

    shows the difference in mind sets between the two religions
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    and i bet there weren't any christians now burning buildings or killing when that wall-mart advert was displayed. The muslim reaction was pathetic, reminded me of a spoilt child

    shows the difference in mind sets between the two religions
    this shows that you dont respect even your religion...you dont respect the god who creat you from just one cell can be killed with a small virus.... :-D :-D

    the progress or money witch you are happy with it will end when you die :-D :-D ..in the other life we will laugh at you all ...Allah will reward us because we respected him and worshiped him....and people like you will take a great Agony can not imagine it or born it .

    you will live a the worst life for billions billins billions ..............etc. of years.. :-D :-D :-D :-D then when you remember me you will say I am sorry for all what I said about muslims ...please god forgive me...I can not born this agony.


    Try to make the same thing with jewish if you are really the freedom land HaHaaaaaaaaaa :-D :-D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettina
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    At least you can draw cartoons of thor without someone dying
    Yep. Draw a picture of Jesus all you want, but draw one of Allah and they will kill you, your family, and anyone who associates with you.

    So if you draw one, please don't mention my name.

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    my dear bettina can you draw one for Moussa the prophet of jewish and publish it in the newspapers?????

    of course you can not. :-D :-D :-D
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    and i bet there weren't any christians now burning buildings or killing when that wall-mart advert was displayed. The muslim reaction was pathetic, reminded me of a spoilt child

    shows the difference in mind sets between the two religions
    this shows that you dont respect even your religion...you dont respect the god who creat you from just one cell can be killed with a small virus.... :-D :-D

    the progress or money witch you are happy with it will end when you die :-D :-D ..in the other life we will laugh at you all ...Allah will reward us because we respected him and worshiped him....and people like you will take a great Agony can not imagine it or born it .

    you will live a the worst life for billions billins billions ..............etc. of years.. :-D :-D :-D :-D then when you remember me you will say I am sorry for all what I said about muslims ...please god forgive me...I can not born this agony.


    Try to make the same thing with jewish if you are really the freedom land HaHaaaaaaaaaa :-D :-D

    im not sure if you have memory problems or are mentally lacking, but I DONT HAVE A RELIGION, IM AN ATHIEST and this means i believe THERE IS NO GOD, and if im wrong so what at least i dont have to spend eternity with muslims like you

    What youve got to ask yourself is if your wrong youve wasted your whole life and what if youve chosen the wrong religion

    and as you asked

    a jewish cartoon



    hindu



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    and islamic



    couldnt find a sikh one but as you can see there is nothing wrong with them and ive covered most of the major groups. oops forgot athiests

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    To ask the question if Jesus was God, is the wrong question to ask. Asking that question indicates that the questioner is assuming "a priori" that a God exists in the first place.
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    At least you can draw cartoons of thor without someone dying
    Yep. Draw a picture of Jesus all you want, but draw one of Allah and they will kill you, your family, and anyone who associates with you.

    So if you draw one, please don't mention my name.

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    my dear bettina can you draw one for Moussa the prophet of jewish and publish it in the newspapers?????

    of course you can not. :-D :-D :-D

    do you mean musa as in moses?
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    do you mean musa as in moses?
    yep.
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    if you visited the library of congress,you would find in the roof these words in golden color "The Progress in the natural sciences was achieved thanks to the Islamic Arabic civilization"
    I'm not quite sure how delusional you are. Numerous nations invented nearly everything the arabs did, before the arabs even started. The decimal system? Egypt, for example. In fact most of the time the arabs only ended up spreading this knowledge a little, for the most part it was trade with other civilizations.

    The overall impact of islamists on science thus far has been so small it's almost impossible to mention. In fact, christian scientists have had an even larger impact. Does that make christianity more correct? HELLZ NO!
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    if you visited the library of congress,you would find in the roof these words in golden color "The Progress in the natural sciences was achieved thanks to the Islamic Arabic civilization"
    I'm not quite sure how delusional you are. Numerous nations invented nearly everything the arabs did, before the arabs even started. The decimal system? Egypt, for example. In fact most of the time the arabs only ended up spreading this knowledge a little, for the most part it was trade with other civilizations.

    The overall impact of islamists on science thus far has been so small it's almost impossible to mention. In fact, christian scientists have had an even larger impact. Does that make christianity more correct? HELLZ NO!
    remember that the church killed many great scientists who tried to say facts which Islam agree with it like this fact earth and palnets in the solar system goes around the sun...many great scientsist were burned by the church like Koper-Nikos or gallileo .
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    do you mean musa as in moses?
    yep.

    some fundamentalists muslims tried this to stir up hatred and guess what.... there was no rioting, no vilolence, no threats just indifference

    http://www.theknish.com/article26.4.shtm

    so that just leaves islam as the only religion that cant take a joke
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    if you visited the library of congress,you would find in the roof these words in golden color "The Progress in the natural sciences was achieved thanks to the Islamic Arabic civilization"
    I'm not quite sure how delusional you are. Numerous nations invented nearly everything the arabs did, before the arabs even started. The decimal system? Egypt, for example. In fact most of the time the arabs only ended up spreading this knowledge a little, for the most part it was trade with other civilizations.

    The overall impact of islamists on science thus far has been so small it's almost impossible to mention. In fact, christian scientists have had an even larger impact. Does that make christianity more correct? HELLZ NO!
    remember that the church killed many great scientists who tried to say facts which Islam agree with it like this fact earth and palnets in the solar system goes around the sun...many great scientsist were burned by the church like Koper-Nikos or gallileo .

    what about the muslims destroying the great librarys or alexandria?
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    Quote Originally Posted by captaincaveman
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    if you visited the library of congress,you would find in the roof these words in golden color "The Progress in the natural sciences was achieved thanks to the Islamic Arabic civilization"
    I'm not quite sure how delusional you are. Numerous nations invented nearly everything the arabs did, before the arabs even started. The decimal system? Egypt, for example. In fact most of the time the arabs only ended up spreading this knowledge a little, for the most part it was trade with other civilizations.

    The overall impact of islamists on science thus far has been so small it's almost impossible to mention. In fact, christian scientists have had an even larger impact. Does that make christianity more correct? HELLZ NO!
    remember that the church killed many great scientists who tried to say facts which Islam agree with it like this fact earth and palnets in the solar system goes around the sun...many great scientsist were burned by the church like Koper-Nikos or gallileo .

    what about the muslims destroying the great librarys or alexandria?
    I did not hear something like that before..what is your proof?
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    if you visited the library of congress,you would find in the roof these words in golden color "The Progress in the natural sciences was achieved thanks to the Islamic Arabic civilization"
    I'm not quite sure how delusional you are. Numerous nations invented nearly everything the arabs did, before the arabs even started. The decimal system? Egypt, for example. In fact most of the time the arabs only ended up spreading this knowledge a little, for the most part it was trade with other civilizations.

    The overall impact of islamists on science thus far has been so small it's almost impossible to mention. In fact, christian scientists have had an even larger impact. Does that make christianity more correct? HELLZ NO!
    remember that the church killed many great scientists who tried to say facts which Islam agree with it like this fact earth and palnets in the solar system goes around the sun...many great scientsist were burned by the church like Koper-Nikos or gallileo .

    what about the muslims destroying the great librarys or alexandria?
    I did not hear something like that before..what is your proof?
    this wiki goes along the lines of muslims destroying the librarys

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria

    and this link says the muslims took the books and converted them to arabic(eg stealing the ideas of the great scientists for themselves) therefore there is possibilitys that famous islamic scientist could have purely stolen the work of others and took it as their own

    http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/mouseion.htm
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    I read about that in a history book once. Because of the muslims, they destroyed the largest and best center of knowledge ever built.

    And, for a literacy "junkie" like myself, that's a crime worse than murder. Thousands of books and such were burned, never to be recovered.
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    I read about that in a history book once. Because of the muslims, they destroyed the largest and best center of knowledge ever built.

    And, for a literacy "junkie" like myself, that's a crime worse than murder. Thousands of books and such were burned, never to be recovered.

    the second links worth a look. its basically saying the muslims took all the good science, which may explain some of the islamic scientists in the past, maybe their discoverys weren't theres but ones stolen from the ancients

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    as I suggested earlier, when I said:

    I'm not quite sure how delusional you are. Numerous nations invented nearly everything the arabs did, before the arabs even started. The decimal system? Egypt, for example. In fact most of the time the arabs only ended up spreading this knowledge a little, for the most part it was trade with other civilizations.
    THEY DID! Steal most of their "discoveries" that is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by captaincaveman
    what about the muslims destroying the great librarys or alexandria?
    When I read this I was sure that you were wrong, but the truth seems to be that I believed a lie, when someone told me that the library was destroyed in a crusade. Before that I blamed the end of the scientific era in the world of Islam on a fundamentalist movement with Islam. But the Wikipedia article on this topic does not even mention a crusade as even one of the 4 theories about the fate of the library, and the loss of the library does not even fit into the time frame of the crusades. Furthermore, no that I think about it, the target of the Crusades was the holy land (and anything on the path to the holy land), so it does not even make sense for a crusade to have been responsible. Well, there were attempts to approach the holy land through Egypt but they seem to have been abortively unsuccessful.

    It seems to me now that a destruction of the library by a fundamentalist Islamic movement is what best fits the facts. If the library was destroyed by an outside force then both the local people and the destroyers would remember this event and the cause of the destruction of the library would not be in question. Only the destruction of the library by the people who continued to live there and a religious system like Islam pervading every aspect of society could suppress the record of history so effectively that the cause of the library's destruction would be unknown.
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    Early in the year A. D. 642, Alexandria surrendered to Amrou, the Islamic general leading the armies of Omar, Caliph of Baghdad. Long one of the most important cities of the ancient world and capital of Byzantine Egypt, Alexandria surrendered only after a long siege and attempts to rescue the city by the Byzantines. On the orders of Omar, Caliph of Baghdad, the entire collection of books (except for the works of Aristotle) stored at the Library of Alexandria were removed and used as fuel to heat water for the city's public baths.

    This is not the first time the library was damaged or destroyed. Originally built to house the massive collection of books accumulated by the Ptolemaic rulers of Egypt, the library had been devastated by fire several times. During Julius Caesar's Alexandrian campaign in 47 B. C., Caesar set fire to ships in the port. The fire spread to the library, which was called the Museum at that time.

    In A. D. 391, riots instigated by fanatical Christians damaged the collection heavily. During the years between disastrous events, the library collection had been gradually restored. In 641, the Caliph of Baghdad exhibited the same spirit of religious fanaticism in ordering Amrou to burn the books stored there. The loss of the library at Alexandria was a particularly grievous blow because the works of so many Roman scholars. literary geniuses, and historians were destroyed.

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    A little bending of the topic but it kind of continues today....

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16127078/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettina
    A little bending of the topic but it kind of continues today....

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16127078/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettina
    A little bending of the topic but it kind of continues today....

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16127078/

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    as I said before dont look to what muslims do and look to Islam as a religion ..some people do wrong things ...so you have to look to islam itself ....I will make sure of the information you said ok??
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Quote Originally Posted by Bettina
    A little bending of the topic but it kind of continues today....

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16127078/

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    as I said before dont look to what muslims do and look to Islam as a religion ..some people do wrong things ...so you have to look to islam itself ....I will make sure of the information you said ok??
    :-D

    At this time, the majority of islam that we see is this, and the beheadings, suicide bombings, kidnapping, tortures etc Where is this good islam cause its not been seen anywhere recently.

    You keep saying dont look at what muslims are doing and look to islam


    ITS ISLAM THAT CAUSES THIS

    These kind of backwards actions aren't seen with other religions. the sooner islam is gone the better in my opinion
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    :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

    all what you said was just fication HAHAAAAAAAAA

    here are all the facts from wikipedia:

    Ancient and modern sources identify four possible occasions for the destruction of the Library:

    1. Caesar's conquest 48 BC;
    2. the attack of Aurelian in the 3rd century;
    3. the decree of Theophilus in 391;
    4. the Muslim conquest in 642 or thereafter.

    so the article said possible so it is not sure
    :-D :-D :-D
    The tale of the Muslim destruction of the library comes from several Alexandrian historians, writing several hundred years later. The legend has it that the caliph Umar posed to commander Amr bin al 'Ass the following dilemma: "Touching the books you mention, if what is written in them agrees with the Book of God, they are not required; if it disagrees, they are not desired. Destroy them therefore."

    The tale goes on to say that the books fuelled the city's bath-houses for the next six months. Since the 18th century, this story has been universally regarded as a fiction.

    Normally it has been put down to Chistian crusader propaganda, but recently some historians, including Bernard Lewis, have argued that although the tale is certainly false, its true origin may be more complex.


    hahaaaa regarded as a fiction..... how you make your self fool like this?

    lies lies lies can you please take a rest from this lies please???

    dont make illution to the people who loved Islam and eneter it everyday?

    I see everyday with my eyes great scientists come from all over the world come to declare Islam in Al-Azhar in egypt

    I did not see ordinary people I always see only great people who convert to islam ....you can say 1000 scientists or more a year.

    all my life I did not see any one leave Islam except one somalian woman who selled her religion in europe to be an actress....

    I found many other cases in our fellow signature but I discovered they were all lies lies and lies. :-D :-D

    I found that almost everyday a new website appears from the enemies of Islam :-D :-D so please dont listen to this sites .
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    This is a science forum first and, as such, we don't need a thread with a topic "My religion is bigger, better than yours."

    Thread closed.

    Edit: Daytonturner objected to the thread being closed. Perhaps I was overzealous, so I'll reopen it.

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    If others truly want to debate which religion is better/more valid, feel free.
    Better in relation to what?
    If for peaceful society, I would vote for Buddhism.
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    Well, I don't know that Christianity is "better" or "more valid" than other religions, but I do know that one of the big differences between Christianity and Islam is that Allah (the God of Islam) asks his people to send their sons out to die for him while Yahweh (the Christian God) asks only that we believe He sent his own Son to die for us.

    This may not make Christianity better, but it is certainly less lethal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daytonturner
    Well, I don't know that Christianity is "better" or "more valid" than other religions, but I do know that one of the big differences between Christianity and Islam is that Allah (the God of Islam) asks his people to send their sons out to die for him while Yahweh (the Christian God) asks only that we believe He sent his own Son to die for us.

    This may not make Christianity better, but it is certainly less lethal.
    good points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daytonturner
    Well, I don't know that Christianity is "better" or "more valid" than other religions, but I do know that one of the big differences between Christianity and Islam is that Allah (the God of Islam) asks his people to send their sons out to die for him while Yahweh (the Christian God) asks only that we believe He sent his own Son to die for us.

    This may not make Christianity better, but it is certainly less lethal.
    know that Jihad is found in the jewish religion too ...King prophet solomon faught to call for jewish all people in earth.....prophet solomon peace upon him married 1000 women .....(prophet Ibraham married 2 women)....
    prophet Dawood was in the army who killed king Galoot when they conquered palestine.he killed him with his hands.


    so what muslims do in calling for Islam all over the world was justified from ALLAH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daytonturner
    Well, I don't know that Christianity is "better" or "more valid" than other religions, but I do know that one of the big differences between Christianity and Islam is that Allah (the God of Islam) asks his people to send their sons out to die for him while Yahweh (the Christian God) asks only that we believe He sent his own Son to die for us.

    This may not make Christianity better, but it is certainly less lethal.
    know that Jihad is found in the jewish religion too ...King prophet solomon faught to call for jewish all people in earth.....prophet solomon peace upon him married 1000 women .....(prophet Ibraham married 2 women)....prophet Dawood was in the army who killed king Galoot when they conquered palestine.....


    so what muslims do in calling for Islam all over the world was justified from ALLAH.
    Ok so, there are about as many boys as girls born, so it seems logical that one man - one woman would mean everybody has a partner. Now if rich muslims are allowed to marry as many women as they can 'keep' then some poor men are going to go without a partner - so it's no wonder they are likely to rape women who are unveiled. - Which is why we don't have these problems to the same extent in western countries where bigamy is not tolerated.

    Islam seems to forbid rape, blame it on the women who is unveiled, yet by the very act of encouraging an imbalance is the cause of this in the first place!

    And then forbids homosexuality among men - how bloody stupid is that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
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    Well, I don't know that Christianity is "better" or "more valid" than other religions, but I do know that one of the big differences between Christianity and Islam is that Allah (the God of Islam) asks his people to send their sons out to die for him while Yahweh (the Christian God) asks only that we believe He sent his own Son to die for us.

    This may not make Christianity better, but it is certainly less lethal.
    know that Jihad is found in the jewish religion too ...King prophet solomon faught to call for jewish all people in earth.....prophet solomon peace upon him married 1000 women .....(prophet Ibraham married 2 women)....prophet Dawood was in the army who killed king Galoot when they conquered palestine.....


    so what muslims do in calling for Islam all over the world was justified from ALLAH.
    Ok so, there are about as many boys as girls born, so it seems logical that one man - one woman would mean everybody has a partner. Now if rich muslims are allowed to marry as many women as they can 'keep' then some poor men are going to go without a partner - so it's no wonder they are likely to rape women who are unveiled. - Which is why we don't have these problems to the same extent in western countries where bigamy is not tolerated.

    Islam seems to forbid rape, blame it on the women who is unveiled, yet by the very act of encouraging an imbalance is the cause of this in the first place!

    And then forbids homosexuality among men - how bloody stupid is that!
    no My dear fellow of course the rape the blame is on the man who rape her like an animal.but women have to protect themselves ( by wearing hijap or not show any flesh) just like vaccines which protect us from diseases

    Men can only marry 4 women if he have the ability...know mr. ignorant that the precentage of women in most islamic nation are higher than men...

    so some men must marry more than one woman.think about this problem if a man married more than one women and they all have born babies we will know who is his father and his mother it is so easy.

    in the other side if a woman married more than one man so we willno know his father easily this is just one example witch shows that any relationship outside marriage is not acceptable in any religion.and shows that man can marry more than one woman.

    Did you get the point?
    if you didnt get it this means that your IQ < 90 I am sorry for that. :-D :-D
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    ...know mr. ignorant that the precentage of women....

    in the other side if a woman married more than one man so we will his father easily this is just one example witch shows that any relationship outside marriage is not acceptable in any religion.and shows that man can marry more than one woman.

    Did you get the point?
    if you didnt get it this means that your IQ < 90 I am sorry for that. :-D :-D
    Hi Prof,
    The person you need to debate on this is 'Jeremyhfht.' He has a genuine appreciation for the style of writing you use. I think you and him would get along quite well....

    Actually, I think Jeremy would very much enjoy to carry on this discussion via PM.

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    if you didnt get it this means that your IQ < 90 I am sorry for that.

    this is funny. you mentioning IQ's when you base your life on a story book


    heres some questions and comments on your past post

    I did not see ordinary people I always see only great people who convert to islam ....you can say 1000 scientists or more a year.
    who are these scientists? wheres your proof?

    all my life I did not see any one leave Islam except one somalian woman who selled her religion in europe to be an actress....
    how about the site in my signature or the many best sellers by a great man called Ibn Warraq

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Warraq


    hes had 6 or 7 best sellers and i dont think non muslims will be buying them so there must be plenty leaving

    And six million a year leaving islam in africa alone. heres a link off ANOTHER ex-muslim site

    http://www.formermuslims.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=972
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    More of this:

    if you didnt get it this means that your IQ < 90 I am sorry for that.
    And the thread will be locked, Profah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    ...know mr. ignorant that the precentage of women....

    in the other side if a woman married more than one man so we will his father easily this is just one example witch shows that any relationship outside marriage is not acceptable in any religion.and shows that man can marry more than one woman.

    Did you get the point?
    if you didnt get it this means that your IQ < 90 I am sorry for that. :-D :-D
    Hi Prof,
    The person you need to debate on this is 'Jeremyhfht.' He has a genuine appreciation for the style of writing you use. I think you and him would get along quite well....

    Actually, I think Jeremy would very much enjoy to carry on this discussion via PM.

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    Be nice, william.

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    I just thought that these two would hit it off well....
    Maybe become friends.

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    know that Jihad is found in the jewish religion too
    I know of nothing in Jewish scripture which even remotely resembles the the barabaric, uncivilized Muslim call to Jihad. Even if you could find something you could twist to resemble Jihad, today's 21st Century Jews do not practice anything so primitive and beastly as Islamic Jihadists.

    I will tell you again, your religion promotes and practices a savagery which has not been seen anywhere else or from any other people group for the last 700 years.

    It is shameful, if not insane, to call these practices human conduct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HomoUniversalis
    Be nice, william.

    Mr U
    I just thought that these two would hit it off well....
    Maybe become friends.

    Cheers
    Edit 2: You're an ass, U. :P a cheeky one at that.

    P.S: This is fair game. If you allow him to continue to insult me, I should be allowed revenge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht
    Quote Originally Posted by william
    Quote Originally Posted by HomoUniversalis
    Be nice, william.

    Mr U
    I just thought that these two would hit it off well....
    Maybe become friends.

    Cheers
    I likes you vewy vewy much.

    P.S: This is fair game. If you allow him to continue to insult me, I should be allowed revenge.
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    :? I'm sorry, I must've confused you with someone that actually isn't acting weird today.
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