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    Hey guys... jus wondering y this section of the forum has the most posts.... but not the most topics... i wonder y?? izzit jus because ppl jus like to argue when it comes to religion topic??


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_PAst27
    Hey guys... jus wondering y this section of the forum has the most posts.... but not the most topics... i wonder y?? izzit jus because ppl jus like to argue when it comes to religion topic??
    It is really very simple. Science is based on evidence. Evidence therefore tends to provide places where arguments can end. Furthermore, arguing the tough issues in science requires some expertise. In religion there is hardly a basis for agreement about anything and since the subject is life itself everyone is automatically an expert. The more educated can talk fancier but ultimately it just means that we are borrowing words from others who have no more expertise than anyone else. The subject seems to promise the field to whoever can think deepest and most logically, but in reality it is just a matter of what choice of premises we make. However, everyone seems to have pretty strong feelings on the subject and so are willing to argue endlessly in circles.


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    science and religion always causes conflicts, look at the world around us. As mitch says, science is about evidence so harder to have conflicts(but not impossible :wink: )
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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchellmckain
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_PAst27
    Hey guys... jus wondering y this section of the forum has the most posts.... but not the most topics... i wonder y?? izzit jus because ppl jus like to argue when it comes to religion topic??
    It is really very simple. Science is based on evidence. Evidence therefore tends to provide places where arguments can end. Furthermore, arguing the tough issues in science requires some expertise. In religion there is hardly a basis for agreement about anything and since the subject is life itself everyone is automatically an expert. The more educated can talk fancier but ultimately it just means that we are borrowing words from others who have no more expertise than anyone else. The subject seems to promise the field to whoever can think deepest and most logically, but in reality it is just a matter of what choice of premises we make. However, everyone seems to have pretty strong feelings on the subject and so are willing to argue endlessly in circles.
    Singularly the most brilliant post on religion and religious debate on the internet I have ever seen. Completely accurate and unbiased, you did not to anyone who might not know demonstrate your side of any religious arguement.
    Simple, direct and precise.
    Bravo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_PAst27
    Hey guys... jus wondering y this section of the forum has the most posts.... but not the most topics... i wonder y?? izzit jus because ppl jus like to argue when it comes to religion topic??
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    Quote Originally Posted by captaincaveman
    science and religion always causes conflicts, look at the world around us. As mitch says, science is about evidence so harder to have conflicts(but not impossible :wink: )
    Science is religion. As for me, I have yet to find conflict between science and religion.
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    But i still think it has somthing to do with the fact that people tend to be more hard-headed and less willing to accept or give-in when it comes to religious arguements and point of view.
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    ish becuz ppl wanna go to heaven so they ask queshs so to figure who to worship to get in duh
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaBOB
    Science is religion. As for me, I have yet to find conflict between science and religion.
    Ug. Not this stuff again, please. "Science" is a technique for figuring things out based on empirical observation and logical reasoning. "Religion" is the belief in supernatural forces, entities, or realities. The two are not the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scifor Refugee
    Quote Originally Posted by DaBOB
    Science is religion. As for me, I have yet to find conflict between science and religion.
    Ug. Not this stuff again, please. "Science" is a technique for figuring things out based on empirical observation and logical reasoning. "Religion" is the belief in supernatural forces, entities, or realities. The two are not the same.
    To put it simply: Science is logic. Religion is faith. Faith and logic contradict eachother.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht
    Quote Originally Posted by Scifor Refugee
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    Science is religion. As for me, I have yet to find conflict between science and religion.
    Ug. Not this stuff again, please. "Science" is a technique for figuring things out based on empirical observation and logical reasoning. "Religion" is the belief in supernatural forces, entities, or realities. The two are not the same.
    To put it simply: Science is logic. Religion is faith. Faith and logic contradict eachother.
    Does this mean there can be no faith in logic? 8)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht
    Quote Originally Posted by Scifor Refugee
    Quote Originally Posted by DaBOB
    Science is religion. As for me, I have yet to find conflict between science and religion.
    Ug. Not this stuff again, please. "Science" is a technique for figuring things out based on empirical observation and logical reasoning. "Religion" is the belief in supernatural forces, entities, or realities. The two are not the same.
    To put it simply: Science is logic. Religion is faith. Faith and logic contradict eachother.
    Does this mean there can be no faith in logic? 8)
    Faith:http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?s=faith&gwp=13
    2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See synonyms at belief, trust.

    Logic: http://www.answers.com/topic/logic-1
    1. The study of the properties of propositions and deductive reasoning by abstraction and analysis of the form rather than the content of propositions under consideration.

    Yeah, I think one doesn't need faith in logic. especially since logic has a valid basis that can't be called "faith". 8)
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    Physical Reality and Measurements versus Ideas and Words.

    The conflict comes when people measuring things in the universe/world/lab state that something that they measured means something beyond just "X=Y*3/A" but could mean something else. Especially when that 'something else' is different to what someone once said and wrote down a long time ago.


    The obvious example would be

    "The universe is infinite and was always here" versus "The universe is getting bigger and has a specific weight and size which is very large, but not infinite - which means at the current rate it can only be so and so old because reversing time before that would mean the universe (which is expanding) started from a single point and before that couldn't have been expanding because going back in time you can't reduce smaller than nothing."

    or "The Earth is 6000 years old and existed before the Sun did" which is based on the evidence that "Someone wrote it in a book a long time ago" instead of "Carbon 14 is ingested by living beings and their cells always contain between X and Y amount of carbon 14 when they are alive. When they die this carbon decays at a predictable and unchanging rate. Thus you can measure how long it takes to go from Y down to Z amount, thus this organism died between 18,000 and 18,700 years ago (considering it may have had X or Y amount of Carbon 14 (or any amount between X and Y) at the moment of it's death depending on a few different factors. However we know living organisms can't have less than A amount and be alive, or more than B amount. Thus because this thing is 18,000 years old the earth has to be at least that old, thus the theory that the earth is 6000 years old cannot be true unless this animal, which cannot live in space or on other planets in our solar system somehow predated earth. Which is obviously false.

    Factor of Error is a fact of life and is present whenever natural things are being measured. A Cessna C172 becomes airborne at roughly 60 knots. This might be 58.3 knots or 63.2 knots, but the prediction is close enough and is real enough to be able to predict that a Cessna C172 cannot be airborne when it is only moving at 32 knots. Thus you can rule out "the Cessna was flying at 32 knots" and "The Cessna was rolling along the runway at 200 knots". Thus the philosophy here is to find something which is plausable, in search of ruling out - or ruling in - thoughts.

    Just because someone very long ago said something does not mean it is true. Indeed sometimes newer investigations with better measurement tools and a different mindset can be more true than older theories. Truth here is "A discription of how reality is" and not "what someone decreed is true" weather that someone is a lawyer, politician, priest or deity. If someone says "A 200 car Freight Train can go from 100 miles an hour to a dead stop in 1/2 a second" but evidence shows that even with maximum emergency breaking going up hill on a dry rail the freight train requires 90 seconds to stop,then that person was not telling the truth, Either due to ignorance, exagguration or deception. The reason the truth was not told is of no concern, only that the evidence be examined and the most reasonable answer be taken...

    Now what if it happens that later on it is found that the driver was late applying full breaks and a few break pads were faulty and later tests show that a train can actually stop faster than 90 seconds? Do you automatically state that this "90 seconds to stop" theory is wrong and that the 1/2 second theory is obviously correct because 1: it was written first and 2: the 90 seconds stop theory is flawed?

    Of course the 1/2 second stop theory is flawed, the scientists changed their theory and now they are saying it is 82 seconds. But theyre untrustworthy scientists they keep changing the answers, but our belief in the 1/2 second theory is always the same, yesterday Today and Forever. "A Train Stops in 1/2 a second for it is Written!"
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    Or could the answer to Dark's question merely be that religion is that much more important than science?
    Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind. -- Albert Einstein

    If God DID do all of this, is He not the greatest scientist of all? -- dt, 2005
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    Quote Originally Posted by daytonturner
    Or could the answer to Dark's question merely be that religion is that much more important than science?

    Nope, All religious folk need science. Not all scientists need religion
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    daytonturner, your sig: If God DID do all of this, is He not the greatest scientist of all? -- dt, 2005


    Not really look at all the mistakes he/she/it made, for one, our own bodies could do with a few modifications, or are we to blame evolution???
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahwhwl
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    http://www.home-wowgold.com :-D
    Where did I say this and when?? I have no recollection, I think you have the wrong quote or the wrong user name.
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    Hint: spam. Hint hint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht
    Hint: spam. Hint hint.
    Thanks, had not twigged that, did not click on any way, :-D
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