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Thread: Did the person Jesus from the bible actually really existed in the past?

  1. #1 Did the person Jesus from the bible actually really existed in the past? 
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    Title says it all.
    googling makes me find websites full of creationists that try to 'prove' it, but they would be biased as the reason is to convert people.
    maybe he really existed?

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    8 Reasons Jesus Definitely Existed - Listverse


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    Judging from several references of his life from Roman sources, I'd say yes, as a person, he probably existed.


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    As well as Jesus Barabbas- he likely existed, as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    Judging from several references of his life from Roman sources, I'd say yes, as a person, he probably existed.

    Which references?
    "The only safe rule is to dispute only with those of your acquaintance of whom you know that they possess sufficient intelligence and self-respect not to advance absurdities; to appeal to reason and not to authority, and to listen to reason and yield to it; and, finally, to be willing to accept reason even from an opponent, and to be just enough to bear being proved to be in the wrong."

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    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    Judging from several references of his life from Roman sources, I'd say yes, as a person, he probably existed.
    There are no references to Jesus until Josephus, about 100 years after his supposed death. There are no contemporary records of Jesus, or Joseph or Mary, and the Romans were obsessive record keepers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RamenNoodles View Post
    Title says it all.
    googling makes me find websites full of creationists that try to 'prove' it, but they would be biased as the reason is to convert people.
    maybe he really existed?

    crackpot?:
    8 Reasons Jesus Definitely Existed - Listverse
    I suggest you view this thread, your question was ask just recently Evidence for Christ
    A logician saves the life of a tiny space alien. The alien is very grateful and, since she's omniscient, offers the following reward: she offers to answer any question the logician might pose. Without too much thought (after all, he's a logician), he asks: "What is the best question to ask and what is the correct answer to that question?" The tiny alien pauses. Finally she replies, "The best question is the one you just asked; and the correct answer is the one I gave."
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexG View Post
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    Judging from several references of his life from Roman sources, I'd say yes, as a person, he probably existed.
    There are no references to Jesus until Josephus, about 100 years after his supposed death. There are no contemporary records of Jesus, or Joseph or Mary, and the Romans were obsessive record keepers.
    Even then the TF never mentions jesus, just a messiah, but that is controversial. See post 11 in the thread I posted up in my previous post.
    A logician saves the life of a tiny space alien. The alien is very grateful and, since she's omniscient, offers the following reward: she offers to answer any question the logician might pose. Without too much thought (after all, he's a logician), he asks: "What is the best question to ask and what is the correct answer to that question?" The tiny alien pauses. Finally she replies, "The best question is the one you just asked; and the correct answer is the one I gave."
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    ohh its such a coincidence... i was thinking about it for a week and when i posted it, you had already one.. perhaps a mod can delete this OP?
    i'll refer reading from here Evidence for Christ
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    Quote Originally Posted by RamenNoodles View Post
    ohh its such a coincidence... i was thinking about it for a week and when i posted it, you had already one.
    It's a coincidence like getting hit with a raindrop if you are outside in a thunderstorm. People around here are obsessed with religion. Which I think is odd for a science forum.
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    People around here are obsessed with religion. Which I think is odd for a science forum.
    yeh, Harold
    Me too
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
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    ohh its such a coincidence... i was thinking about it for a week and when i posted it, you had already one.
    People around here are obsessed with religion. Which I think is odd for a science forum.
    The forum is called the Scientific study of religion, Seriously Harold I do wonder sometimes whether you know where you are.
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    A logician saves the life of a tiny space alien. The alien is very grateful and, since she's omniscient, offers the following reward: she offers to answer any question the logician might pose. Without too much thought (after all, he's a logician), he asks: "What is the best question to ask and what is the correct answer to that question?" The tiny alien pauses. Finally she replies, "The best question is the one you just asked; and the correct answer is the one I gave."
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    The story of jesus is the greatest hoax ever played on mankind. It is two thousands years old and thousands more fall for the hoax every day. It is as a consequence the greatest fictional story ever written, but the victims of the hoax will chop off your head if you tell them it's only fiction. Interesting Human nature at play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pavlos View Post
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    ohh its such a coincidence... i was thinking about it for a week and when i posted it, you had already one.
    People around here are obsessed with religion. Which I think is odd for a science forum.
    The forum is called the Scientific study of religion, Seriously Harold I do wonder sometimes whether you know where you are.
    I don't know what the board activity says, but I would be willing to bet this is one of the busier sub-forums. It's just a product of the times. Nothing we should be put off by. I'm extremely happy we live in an age where we are able to openly question whether or not Jesus actually existed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
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    ohh its such a coincidence... i was thinking about it for a week and when i posted it, you had already one.
    People around here are obsessed with religion. Which I think is odd for a science forum.
    The forum is called the Scientific study of religion, Seriously Harold I do wonder sometimes whether you know where you are.
    I don't know what the board activity says, but I would be willing to bet this is one of the busier sub-forums. It's just a product of the times. Nothing we should be put off by. I'm extremely happy we live in an age where we are able to openly question whether or not Jesus actually existed.
    Only the Physics subforum has more posts than this one. I'd imagine if this one didn't exist, all the other subforums would be endlessly spammed by religion topics.
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    Spammed?....hmmm.... that says a lot. "Endlessly" also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sampson View Post
    Spammed?....hmmm.... that says a lot. "Endlessly" also.
    I'm referencing the people who come here with their anti-science agendas, create multiple accounts, and post their crackpot websites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mat5592 View Post
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    Spammed?....hmmm.... that says a lot. "Endlessly" also.
    I'm referencing the people who come here with their anti-science agendas, create multiple accounts, and post their crackpot websites.
    Indoctrination is a powerful tool. Religious indoctrination is a super duper powerful tool. It shows that Humans haven't advanced much from sheep in some ways.
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    Every topic on a science forum gets talked to death and repeated over and over. Why religious topics get singled out for complaint is beyond me.

    It is important to be able to discuss religion on a science forum because the very nature of religion affects the way people look at scientific understanding and especially so when it affects how they build misconceptions and false claims, such as that "Science Proved that God exists" and what have you... people are actually teaching this to children.
    An open resource to counter that ignorance is essential.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Every topic on a science forum gets talked to death and repeated over and over. Why religious topics get singled out for complaint is beyond me.

    It is important to be able to discuss religion on a science forum because the very nature of religion affects the way people look at scientific understanding and especially so when it affects how they build misconceptions and false claims, such as that "Science Proved that God exists" and what have you... people are actually teaching this to children.
    An open resource to counter that ignorance is essential.
    Yes, especially when the Governor of Texas does not understand the First Amendment. At least the Science Forum did not poof my threads, just put them in the garbage can.
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