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    Alsalmo Alikom (peace on you)

    As the moderator told me...I will change my way to tell about Islam. I do not like to use the word "preach".Maybe this will be my last topic..I am here to answer all your questions about ISLAM and if did not know it I will ask our shiekhs (scientists in Islam) we call them too Imams (the specialists)..

    I will be happy to see the people who want to convert to Islam.


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    ok...i have a question for you prof about Islam.

    From what I understand, some Muslims hate the nation of Israel and the Jewish people. What is the source of this hatred? Is it from 100's of years of fighting over the same land, or is it a religious/cultural dispute?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGyver1968
    ok...i have a question for you prof about Islam.

    From what I understand, some Muslims hate the nation of Israel and the Jewish people. What is the source of this hatred? Is it from 100's of years of fighting over the same land, or is it a religious/cultural dispute?
    My dear fellow Islam respect the jewish as a religion and all muslims believe in prophet Moussa (peace upon him)...

    Muslims do not hate Jews they had the same rights with muslims through the islamic history but when jews occupied the arabian lands ( Palestine) and England helped her as the last country occupied this lands like all the middle east in the 19th century .this is called zionism which means collecting the jews to the Promised Land.
    Theodor Herzl (1860 – 1904), an Austro-Hungarian Jew, founded the Zionist movement. In 1896, he published Der Judenstaat (The Jewish State), in which he called for the establishment of a national Jewish state. The following year he helped convene the first World Zionist Congress.

    The establishment of Zionism led to the Second Aliyah (1904 – 1914) with the influx of around 40,000 Jews. In 1917, the British Foreign Secretary Arthur J. Balfour issued the Balfour Declaration that "view[ed] with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people." In 1920, Palestine became a League of Nations mandate administered by Britain.

    the jews immigrated from all over the world (USA ,Europe, Middle East and Africa) to this arabian lands which they do not belong in .

    In 1947, following increasing levels of violence from groups such as Irgun and Lehi, uncontrollable immigration from Europe and general war-weariness, the British government decided to withdraw from the Palestine Mandate.[14] The UN General Assembly approved the 1947 UN Partition Plan dividing the territory into two states, with the Jewish area consisting of roughly 55% of the land, and the Arab area roughly 45%. Jerusalem was planned to be an international region administered by the UN to avoid conflict over its status.


    The jews also wanted to destroy The Al-Aqsa Mosque which considers one of the greatest mosques to muslims which built nearly 1000 years ago.

    So tell me now who are the wrong muslims or jews?
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    Tell me: who is biased? Oh, it's you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht
    Tell me: who is biased? Oh, it's you.
    My dear fellow THIS THREAD ONLY FOR QUESTIONS NOT FOR COMMENTS ...NO COMMENTS WILL BE ACCEPTABLE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht
    Tell me: who is biased? Oh, it's you.
    You would be biased too if a bunch of people moved into your freind's home and the government granted them ownership because they had no house of their own.

    I can understand why Christians and Jews are biased in this matter in favor of Israel but not why you seem to be.
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    True, but he's omitting their side of the story. I simply want him to answer with both sides. His view, then theirs. Better information and less misinformation.
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    Just questions eh?

    How about some answers, at what age did you discover Islam?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchellmckain
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht
    Tell me: who is biased? Oh, it's you.
    You would be biased too if a bunch of people moved into your freind's home and the government granted them ownership because they had no house of their own.

    I can understand why Christians and Jews are biased in this matter in favor of Israel but not why you seem to be.

    but isn't this also the case with america? Most americans are immagrants to their country and have taken the land of the people who were there. Britain also have many conquests over the centurys that made it what it is also/ that doesn't give the right to murder civilians cause they want the land back

    What if native americans wanted to take america back by bombing shopping malls, who you say this is ok because they rightfully own it?

    of course you wouldn't. remember americas also a young country populated by immigrants

    whats the difference?

    Also what if the muslims then want to take back spain, is that also ok? How far do you need to go back over history to argue about who's land is who's

    dont get me wrong im not being aggressive or anything but there is never an excuse to kill civilians :-D
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    Pardon, but we should somewhat respect his only "real" thread. Allow this to be a question-answer thing only. Alright?

    Question: why is the qur'an so vague?
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    Prof, why is it that since about 1973 respect for your religion has seen a rapid decline throughout the world?
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    Quote Originally Posted by captaincaveman
    What if native americans wanted to take america back by bombing shopping malls, who you say this is ok because they rightfully own it?

    whats the difference?
    Differences? Lets see. We slaughtered all the American Indians with any will to fight back (and even quite a few that did not fight back). Palestine like the rest of the arabs joined the Nazis on the losing side of World War II, so at the end of that conflict they were conquered territory giving the Allies the feeling that they had the right to dispose of the land as they saw fit. But no international organization reassigned ownership of the land of the Native Americans (not that the Native Americans ever claimed ownership of land before), we simply took it. The Native Americans were a bunch of independent tribes fighting amongst themselves with different languages and beliefs, while the Palestinians were members of a huge religion stretching over half the world.

    Huge differences but also a very different period of history making the two things difficult to compare really.

    Justice? phew....tall order. All I was did was claim that there was an undertandable reason for bias. There is no real foundation for justice in these things for the status quo is built upon injustices. But that does not mean that we should not strive for a better world and a better world requires that such grievances based on past injustices be forgotten to focus on injustices of the present. So from that point of view we cannot support anyone blowing up civilians for political causes, but we must instead have utter comtempt for anyone who thinks they can get what they want by means of violence.
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    Questions? OK.

    According to Islam, or rather according to you:

    Why did God create the world?

    Why did God create mankind?

    Why is there evil in this world?

    Does God know what we will do before we do it?

    Does man have a spirit and/or soul? If so what is this spirit and/or soul?

    What happens to a person when he/she dies?

    How do we know what is the truth?

    Ok that is enough for now, though I will probably have more when I hear your answers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchellmckain
    Quote Originally Posted by captaincaveman
    What if native americans wanted to take america back by bombing shopping malls, who you say this is ok because they rightfully own it?

    whats the difference?
    Differences? Lets see. We slaughtered all the American Indians with any will to fight back (and even quite a few that did not fight back). Palestine like the rest of the arabs joined the Nazis on the losing side of World War II, so at the end of that conflict they were conquered territory giving the Allies the feeling that they had the right to dispose of the land as they saw fit. But no international organization reassigned ownership of the land of the Native Americans (not that the Native Americans ever claimed ownership of land before), we simply took it. The Native Americans were a bunch of independent tribes fighting amongst themselves with different languages and beliefs, while the Palestinians were members of a huge religion stretching over half the world.

    Huge differences but also a very different period of history making the two things difficult to compare really.

    Justice? phew....tall order. All I was did was claim that there was an undertandable reason for bias. There is no real foundation for justice in these things for the status quo is built upon injustices. But that does not mean that we should not strive for a better world and a better world requires that such grievances based on past injustices be forgotten to focus on injustices of the present. So from that point of view we cannot support anyone blowing up civilians for political causes, but we must instead have utter comtempt for anyone who thinks they can get what they want by means of violence.
    ok not the best choice of history subject. :wink: my point was all land was probably occupied before its present citizens

    some muslim leaders and holy men stated after israel was taken they would move on to other infedel inhabited lands which covers alot of the med across to spain and thats really old history
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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchellmckain
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht
    Tell me: who is biased? Oh, it's you.
    You would be biased too if a bunch of people moved into your freind's home and the government granted them ownership because they had no house of their own.

    I can understand why Christians and Jews are biased in this matter in favor of Israel but not why you seem to be.
    My dear fellow you have to know that the religion do not have a country for example here in egypt we have muslims , Christians and jews live together.

    also in Uk you will find muslims, Christians and jews the same thing in US.

    so how you can say that jews do not have a home??????????????????????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    Prof, why is it that since about 1973 respect for your religion has seen a rapid decline throughout the world?
    in my point of view I think this is because of the cold war which was started by Israel -( we know that jews control most of the mass media all over the world) -after the great victory by the egyptians in 1973 and destroying thier Bar Lev line :-D :-D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    Just questions eh?

    How about some answers, at what age did you discover Islam?
    my dear fellow I answered this question in the other thread "message to profahmfaw"
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    May I suggest that they do not live together but co-exist [sometimes uneasily] in the same countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht
    Pardon, but we should somewhat respect his only "real" thread. Allow this to be a question-answer thing only. Alright?

    Question: why is the qur'an so vague?
    from my talkings with many western people I knew that if you want to understand Quraan perfectly you have to learn arabic well....some verses can not be translated perfectly in english....


    The arabic as a language is really difficult ..I can say it is impossible to understand some verses if you do not know Arabic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    May I suggest that they do not live together but co-exist [sometimes uneasily] in the same countries.
    yes , you are right and many arabic leaders sugget that solution before ...I agree with this solution ...I want it to be achieved today before tomorrow.

    But the jews refused this solution...I do not know why

    so tell me who is the wrong??????
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    May I suggest that they do not live together but co-exist [sometimes uneasily] in the same countries.
    yes , you are right and many arabic leaders sugget that solution before ...I agree with this solution ...I want it to be achieved today before tomorrow.

    But the jews refused this solution...I do not know why

    so tell me who is the wrong??????
    I er wasn't proposing a solution, I was stating what I percieve to be a fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    The arabic as a language is really difficult ..I can say it is impossible to understand some verses if you do not know Arabic
    Hi prof,
    I have to ask this question;
    For some people, you can imagine, it is impossible to learn Arabic.
    And you say, that it is impossible to understand some verses if you can't understand Arabic.

    Where does that leave those whom it is impossible to learn Arabic? Does Allah not care about them? How can they ever be taught those verses which are impossible to understand (and apparently, impossible to translate)?

    Most importantly, do you believe that Allah would ask anything of us which is impossible for us to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by william
    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    The arabic as a language is really difficult ..I can say it is impossible to understand some verses if you do not know Arabic
    Hi prof,
    I have to ask this question;
    For some people, you can imagine, it is impossible to learn Arabic.
    And you say, that it is impossible to understand some verses if you can't understand Arabic.

    Where does that leave those whom it is impossible to learn Arabic? Does Allah not care about them? How can they ever be taught those verses which are impossible to understand (and apparently, impossible to translate)?

    Most importantly, do you believe that Allah would ask anything of us which is impossible for us to do?

    Take care,
    william

    this is a point ive made in the past, not every muslim can speak arabic therefore their knowledge of the koran must be incorrect, the only way they can get the "true" word is to have it interpreted.

    The question then is can you trust the person who's interpreting it, or have they got a different agenda from your own
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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchellmckain
    Questions? OK.

    According to Islam, or rather according to you:

    Why did God create the world?

    Why did God create mankind?

    Why is there evil in this world?

    Does God know what we will do before we do it?

    Does man have a spirit and/or soul? If so what is this spirit and/or soul?

    What happens to a person when he/she dies?

    How do we know what is the truth?

    Ok that is enough for now, though I will probably have more when I hear your answers.

    It is a long story......
    ALLAH wanted created this world because he wanted to be warshiped by his beings ....The angels worship ALLAH but they do not have any choice as all the world worship HIM.So ALLAH created the humans to be worshiped with beings who have the choice to worship or not....

    This make us better than angels and all beings to ALLAH :-D :-D

    Evil was created as another test ...the people who pass the test will have graet class.

    Yes ALLAH knows what you will do before you do it ...but you still have the choice .

    Yes the man has a soul but the science until now did not know where is it?? you can say it is the secret of our creator ALLAH ..we see the same thing in our life some companies hide some things in its production to prevent other companies to produce the same product and to show how great they are

    when person dies he transfers to the skies but when somebody come to visit his grave he come immediately to see his visitor.

    The last question is too difficult for many people but our god give us an intelligent brain which can lead us to the truth follow these steps:

    1-Try to read the moderate books for the the moderate writers and moderate newpapers.
    2- do not believe all the media try to visit the place to see with your eyes.
    3-ask ask and ask and take your choice as many many people did ask for everything you are worried about.
    4-know that Islam can not have mistakes and if you found one you have to ask to know what is the matter?
    5-Make sure of the miracles which happened everyday ask the specialists or visit the place where the miracle happened.
    6-about christianity ask your self this question ALLAH sent many many prophets through the history they were all humans what makes jesus a god ...know that many primitive people worshiped thier prophets in the past and look christians do the same thing in the 20th century.

    thanks for your questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by william
    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    The arabic as a language is really difficult ..I can say it is impossible to understand some verses if you do not know Arabic
    Hi prof,
    I have to ask this question;
    For some people, you can imagine, it is impossible to learn Arabic.
    And you say, that it is impossible to understand some verses if you can't understand Arabic.

    Where does that leave those whom it is impossible to learn Arabic? Does Allah not care about them? How can they ever be taught those verses which are impossible to understand (and apparently, impossible to translate)?

    Most importantly, do you believe that Allah would ask anything of us which is impossible for us to do?

    Take care,
    william
    did you see the movie " Mission Imposibble"?
    there is nothing impossible to human being ..try to study NLP.
    I mean that it is impossible to understand it yourself but someone have to explain it to you.
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    I think William does have a point there: why did Allah choose the Arab language to spread his word, while it's known as a difficult language to learn? He could've chosen an easier language. Are the Arabian people a chosen people, or was it just coincidence?

    How does Islam judge atheists? Do different rules and standards apply to atheists compared to believers (for example lower punishments for crimes against atheists compared to crimes against believers)?

    Does the Quran give freedom for interpretation? For example the bible often isn't taken literally (we're not stoning cheating wives), because people say it was written down by people who didn't fully understood it's intentions. So the Pope can decide to reinterpret the bible. Can Islamic religious leaders do the same?

    Looks like an interesting thread I'll moderate it closely to make sure it will not be destroyed by trolling.

    -Jeremy: your first post looks like a troll, take it easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pendragon
    I think William does have a point there: why did Allah choose the Arab language to spread his word, while it's known as a difficult language to learn? He could've chosen an easier language. Are the Arabian people a chosen people, or was it just coincidence?

    How does Islam judge atheists? Do different rules and standards apply to atheists compared to believers (for example lower punishments for crimes against atheists compared to crimes against believers)?

    Does the Quran give freedom for interpretation? For example the bible often isn't taken literally (we're not stoning cheating wives), because people say it was written down by people who didn't fully understood it's intentions. So the Pope can decide to reinterpret the bible. Can Islamic religious leaders do the same?

    Looks like an interesting thread I'll moderate it closely to make sure it will not be destroyed by trolling.

    -Jeremy: your first post looks like a troll, take it easy.
    ALLAH chose Arabic because it is too great language although it is difficult..So ALLAH chose this great his language to his last great religion to all over the world...know that the other religions sent to specific people not the world like Islam.

    ALLAH chose Arabs to have the Islam because they have the abilities and talents to spread this religion..they were also patient as they lived in the desert ..

    Islam judge atheists like muslims every one has his religion.

    Yes Islam gives the freedom for interpretation but with specialists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Yes Islam gives the freedom for interpretation but with specialists.
    How does this work? I heard there's a religious leader of Islam in Egypt, like a sort of pope. Can he decide on such things? It seems reinterpreting Islam is very difficult. Well in christianity it also leads to great conflicts, but nowadays it doesn't seem difficult for the church to change it's opinion on practical matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    thanks for your questions.
    First of all you should know that I do not ask these question because I have no answers for them myself but to help you explain your religious viewpoint with regards to some issues which I consider important.

    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Quote Originally Posted by mitchellmckain
    Why did God create the world?
    It is a long story......
    ALLAH wanted created this world because he wanted to be warshiped by his beings ....
    What exactly is worshipping?

    Why does He want to be worshipped?

    Why would we want to worship Him?

    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Quote Originally Posted by mitchellmckain
    Why did God create mankind?
    The angels worship ALLAH but they do not have any choice as all the world worship HIM.So ALLAH created the humans to be worshiped with beings who have the choice to worship or not....

    This make us better than angels and all beings to ALLAH :-D :-D
    In regards to the difference between man and the angels we see things very similarly. I do indeed think that man's freewill, his ability to choose is central to the reason why God created mankind.

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    Why is there evil in this world?
    Evil was created as another test ...the people who pass the test will have graet class.
    There are other tests?

    Why does God test us?

    So God is responsible for the existence of evil?

    Is it ok for God to do evil?

    Is it ok for men to do evil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchellmckain
    Does God know what we will do before we do it?
    Yes ALLAH knows what you will do before you do it ...but you still have the choice .
    Does ALLAH have any power to influence our choices?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchellmckain
    Does man have a spirit and/or soul? If so what is this spirit and/or soul?
    Yes the man has a soul but the science until now did not know where is it?? you can say it is the secret of our creator ALLAH ..we see the same thing in our life some companies hide some things in its production to prevent other companies to produce the same product and to show how great they are
    But what is the soul like? What is its nature?

    What is the purpose of the soul?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchellmckain
    What happens to a person when he/she dies?
    when person dies he transfers to the skies but when somebody come to visit his grave he come immediately to see his visitor.
    Everyone goes to the skies? Are the skies the same for everyone?

    What does he do in the skies?

    What if he has no grave?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchellmckain
    How do we know what is the truth?
    The last question is too difficult for many people but our god give us an intelligent brain which can lead us to the truth follow these steps:

    1-Try to read the moderate books for the the moderate writers and moderate newpapers.
    2- do not believe all the media try to visit the place to see with your eyes.
    3-ask ask and ask and take your choice as many many people did ask for everything you are worried about.
    Well I really did not mean truth about Islam?
    My question about knowing the truth was meant to include how we know the truth of Islam itself.

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    4-know that Islam can not have mistakes and if you found one you have to ask to know what is the matter?
    And how do you know that Islam cannot have mistakes?

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    6-about christianity ask your self this question ALLAH sent many many prophets through the history they were all humans what makes jesus a god ...know that many primitive people worshiped thier prophets in the past and look christians do the same thing in the 20th century.
    Well first of all, Christians do not believe that Jesus is a god, but that Jesus represents God himself. There is only one God, but that God is infinite in being, power and knowledge. There is nothing which God is not capable of doing and one of the things that Christians believe that God did was come to earth as a human being in the person of Jesus.

    Perhaps this is a important issue for you with Christianity and it certainly is an important issue for many Christians, but for me it is merely a matter of historical fact. Matters of historical fact are simply either true or not, and no amount of reason can determine which. So perhaps the question I should ask you is whether you think that it is impossible for God to become a man and walk among us?
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    how is it historical fact?
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    Pardon, but we should somewhat respect his only "real" thread. Allow this to be a question-answer thing only. Alright?

    Question: why is the qur'an so vague?
    from my talkings with many western people I knew that if you want to understand Quraan perfectly you have to learn arabic well....some verses can not be translated perfectly in english....


    The arabic as a language is really difficult ..I can say it is impossible to understand some verses if you do not know Arabic
    If god wrote the bible, he would have made it written in a language that everybody instantly understands without difficulty. Otherwise it's always prone to mistranslation.

    The qur'an, hebrew, greek, and aramic scriptures in the bible suffer from poor translation. In fact the best literal translation is STILL the KJV (I think).
    here is the question: if a god does want his people to listen to him, don't you think he'd make it easier to listen?

    And by the way, the "best" lagnuage is possibly english (although I'm not really SURE as I am not a linguist). English is a diplomatic language, and if your vocabulary is good enough you can pretty much express anything. Although other languages are better at expressing emotion and harmony, for diplomacy english seems best (it is often referred to as a diplomatic language).

    For emotion, Japanese appears best to me (though that is personal opinion).
    But the point is, there are languages far "better" for certain things than that spoken in the qur'an. Take for example, the hebrew part of the bible (not qur'an). Their vocabulary was insanely limited. Why is it god didn't use a writing system everybody could instantly understand?
    Since god is "all knowing" he knows how, and he can since he is omnipotent.
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    Pardon, but we should somewhat respect his only "real" thread. Allow this to be a question-answer thing only. Alright?

    Question: why is the qur'an so vague?
    from my talkings with many western people I knew that if you want to understand Quraan perfectly you have to learn arabic well....some verses can not be translated perfectly in english....


    The arabic as a language is really difficult ..I can say it is impossible to understand some verses if you do not know Arabic
    If god wrote the bible, he would have made it written in a language that everybody instantly understands without difficulty. Otherwise it's always prone to mistranslation.

    The qur'an, hebrew, greek, and aramic scriptures in the bible suffer from poor translation. In fact the best literal translation is STILL the KJV (I think).
    here is the question: if a god does want his people to listen to him, don't you think he'd make it easier to listen?

    And by the way, the "best" lagnuage is possibly english (although I'm not really SURE as I am not a linguist). English is a diplomatic language, and if your vocabulary is good enough you can pretty much express anything. Although other languages are better at expressing emotion and harmony, for diplomacy english seems best (it is often referred to as a diplomatic language).

    For emotion, Japanese appears best to me (though that is personal opinion).
    But the point is, there are languages far "better" for certain things than that spoken in the qur'an. Take for example, the hebrew part of the bible (not qur'an). Their vocabulary was insanely limited. Why is it god didn't use a writing system everybody could instantly understand?
    Since god is "all knowing" he knows how, and he can since he is omnipotent.

    ive always thought that with languages, some flow and are soft even when spoken harshly. and some languages are harsh even when spoken softly

    German springs to mind, it seems very stern and authoratative(spelling), where french seems softer. I think its something to do with sound shapes

    eg "i want" in german is "ich will", is a very sharp sound, the same in french is "je veux" is very soft.
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    It's southern Germans who emphasis the harsh consonants, the northerners do have a softer tone. The french seem to have chopped all the 'crispy' bits out of the language, and since girls mostly like to be spoken to in softer tones, maybe that's where the myth of their being great lovers comes from, somehow a Bavarian accent whispering sweet nothings seems a little incongruous (at least to me - But I hasten to add NOT through any personal experience- Honestly!).
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    Germain is almost ALWAYS thought of as a "harsh" language. I think it's more of a commanding language given the grammar and straightforewardness. I studied a tad of german and dutch prior, but I'm probably wrong.

    As with french, french is often called "the language of love". Now listen to it carefully, it sounds more like the language of perverts. You can't really say one thing in french without it sounding like you want to rip off anothers clothes and have at them on the dance floor. Of course, this is personal interpretation.

    If you want "soft", you should try japanese. Japanese is especially good for music as well (since it's far more flowing than most other languages). Of course this is all, again, personal interpretation. Perhaps we should start a thread on linguistics and talk it out?
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    how is it historical fact?
    I did not say that it was an historical fact. I said,

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    for me it is merely a matter of historical fact. Matters of historical fact are simply either true or not, and no amount of reason can determine which.
    The point is, that it is not a matter of philosophical truth, but an event with either occured or did not occur. Now, there are certainly premises which can be argued, such as whether there is a God at all, and as I suggested to prof, whether it is possible for God to become an man. But once these premises are accepted then the issue of whether God became a man at such and such a time becomes a matter of an historical event rather than philosophy. And I obviously do not mean the word "historical" in the sense of the human science of history, because there is no objective means of determining whether a person is an example of a God who has become a man, although God could certainly cause scientists a great deal of consternation if He wanted too.
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    Germain is almost ALWAYS thought of as a "harsh" language. I think it's more of a commanding language given the grammar and straightforewardness. I studied a tad of german and dutch prior, but I'm probably wrong.

    As with french, french is often called "the language of love". Now listen to it carefully, it sounds more like the language of perverts. You can't really say one thing in french without it sounding like you want to rip off anothers clothes and have at them on the dance floor. Of course, this is personal interpretation.

    If you want "soft", you should try japanese. Japanese is especially good for music as well (since it's far more flowing than most other languages). Of course this is all, again, personal interpretation. Perhaps we should start a thread on linguistics and talk it out?
    I think your first point is due to much of the German we hear being from hollywood war movies portraying Germans as always yelling orders, I have worked with Germans from various areas and they really do have diverse accents, as I said it's the guys from the south who seem to have the harshest accent.

    Being a Brit as you know we have personal opinions of the French, they don't seem to like us that much, it seems that as we either fought them on their territory, fought others on their territory, or trampled over their territiory to get to the guys we wanted to fight, they don't like us.
    Personally I have no problems with any people who can always find a meal under a rotting log. :wink:
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    how is it historical fact?
    I did not say that it was an historical fact. I said,

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    for me it is merely a matter of historical fact. Matters of historical fact are simply either true or not, and no amount of reason can determine which.
    The point is, that it is not a matter of philosophical truth, but an event with either occured or did not occur. Now, there are certainly premises which can be argued, such as whether there is a God at all, and as I suggested to prof, whether it is possible for God to become an man. But once these premises are accepted then the issue of whether God became a man at such and such a time becomes a matter of an historical event rather than philosophy. And I obviously do not mean the word "historical" in the sense of the human science of history, because there is no objective means of determining whether a person is an example of a God who has become a man, although God could certainly cause scientists a great deal of consternation if He wanted too.
    oh ok, i get what your saying now, my mistake :-D
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    Germain is almost ALWAYS thought of as a "harsh" language. I think it's more of a commanding language given the grammar and straightforewardness. I studied a tad of german and dutch prior, but I'm probably wrong.

    As with french, french is often called "the language of love". Now listen to it carefully, it sounds more like the language of perverts. You can't really say one thing in french without it sounding like you want to rip off anothers clothes and have at them on the dance floor. Of course, this is personal interpretation.

    If you want "soft", you should try japanese. Japanese is especially good for music as well (since it's far more flowing than most other languages). Of course this is all, again, personal interpretation. Perhaps we should start a thread on linguistics and talk it out?
    I think your first point is due to much of the German we hear being from hollywood war movies portraying Germans as always yelling orders, I have worked with Germans from various areas and they really do have diverse accents, as I said it's the guys from the south who seem to have the harshest accent.

    Being a Brit as you know we have personal opinions of the French, they don't seem to like us that much, it seems that as we either fought them on their territory, fought others on their territory, or trampled over their territiory to get to the guys we wanted to fight, they don't like us.
    Personally I have no problems with any people who can always find a meal under a rotting log. :wink:
    i find one of the nicest sounding accents are of welsh women speaking english, generally the welsh accent to me sounds non threatning, as does soft scottish whereas glaswegian or liverpudlean or mancunian sounds alot more aggressive

    Dutch is also a very non threatening also, and as youve said japanese :-D
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    I said before NO COMMENTS .NO COMMENTS
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    Well here are questions asked which you have not answered in case you are having a hard time finding them

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    thanks for your questions.
    First of all you should know that I do not ask these question because I have no answers for them myself but to help you explain your religious viewpoint with regards to some issues which I consider important.

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    Why did God create the world?
    It is a long story......
    ALLAH wanted created this world because he wanted to be warshiped by his beings ....
    What exactly is worshipping?

    Why does He want to be worshipped?

    Why would we want to worship Him?


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    Why did God create mankind?
    The angels worship ALLAH but they do not have any choice as all the world worship HIM.So ALLAH created the humans to be worshiped with beings who have the choice to worship or not....

    This make us better than angels and all beings to ALLAH :-D :-D
    In regards to the difference between man and the angels we see things very similarly. I do indeed think that man's freewill, his ability to choose is central to the reason why God created mankind.

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    Why is there evil in this world?
    Evil was created as another test ...the people who pass the test will have graet class.
    There are other tests?

    Why does God test us?

    So God is responsible for the existence of evil?

    Is it ok for God to do evil?

    Is it ok for men to do evil?


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    Does God know what we will do before we do it?
    Yes ALLAH knows what you will do before you do it ...but you still have the choice .
    Does ALLAH have any power to influence our choices?

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    Does man have a spirit and/or soul? If so what is this spirit and/or soul?
    Yes the man has a soul but the science until now did not know where is it?? you can say it is the secret of our creator ALLAH ..we see the same thing in our life some companies hide some things in its production to prevent other companies to produce the same product and to show how great they are
    But what is the soul like? What is its nature?

    What is the purpose of the soul?


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    What happens to a person when he/she dies?
    when person dies he transfers to the skies but when somebody come to visit his grave he come immediately to see his visitor.
    Everyone goes to the skies? Are the skies the same for everyone?

    What does he do in the skies?

    What if he has no grave?


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    How do we know what is the truth?
    The last question is too difficult for many people but our god give us an intelligent brain which can lead us to the truth follow these steps:

    1-Try to read the moderate books for the the moderate writers and moderate newpapers.
    2- do not believe all the media try to visit the place to see with your eyes.
    3-ask ask and ask and take your choice as many many people did ask for everything you are worried about.
    Well I really did not mean truth about Islam?
    My question about knowing the truth was meant to include how we know the truth of Islam itself.

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    4-know that Islam can not have mistakes and if you found one you have to ask to know what is the matter?
    And how do you know that Islam cannot have mistakes?

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    6-about christianity ask your self this question ALLAH sent many many prophets through the history they were all humans what makes jesus a god ...know that many primitive people worshiped thier prophets in the past and look christians do the same thing in the 20th century.
    Well first of all, Christians do not believe that Jesus is a god, but that Jesus represents God himself. There is only one God, but that God is infinite in being, power and knowledge. There is nothing which God is not capable of doing and one of the things that Christians believe that God did was come to earth as a human being in the person of Jesus.

    Perhaps this is a important issue for you with Christianity and it certainly is an important issue for many Christians, but for me it is merely a matter of historical fact. Matters of historical fact are simply either true or not, and no amount of reason can determine which. So perhaps the question I should ask you is whether you think that it is impossible for God to become a man and walk among us?
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    I did not have hard times at all I was just busy in my work and in my new book and my inventions which will register them next monday

    mitchellmckain wrote:

    What exactly is worshipping?
    Just to believe that ALLAH is one and achieve all his orders which protect our society you can say that Quraan is a manual from our creator ALLAH to tell you how to make the best use of your self .

    Why does He want to be worshipped?
    Because ALLAH liked to show his mercy and compassion.

    Why would we want to worship Him?
    Because of 3 reasons:
    1- you will live the happiest life with worshiping ALLAH after and before death and this will make you the biggest winner.
    2-ALLAH will give you many gifts because of that.
    3-You will get a great punishment if you did not.

    There are other tests?
    of course All your life you will take a surprise test maybe everyday like:losting one of your kids or losting your wife or having a serious disease when you pass a test you transfer to harder one until you become in the highest class in paradise.


    Why does God test us?
    To know if you are honest or not and to transfer to a high class in paradise.

    So God is responsible for the existence of evil?
    we created the evil with our hands not ALLAH everyone like himself than the others.

    Is it ok for God to do evil?Is it ok for God to do evil?
    Evil is only exist in humans and geneies.

    Is it ok for men to do evil?
    you can buy all you want with credit card but you will pay them afterthat did you get the point?

    Does ALLAH have any power to influence our choices
    I know what you want to reach...but listen it will be difficult for you but try to read this many times.
    Imagine that you work in an office and your manager desk is in front of you ....you can do all what you want but with his permission without his pemission you can not go anywhere. he will let you destroy your desk because he will deduce its price from your salary so you will be looser at the end.did you get the point?



    But what is the soul like? What is its nature?
    But what is the soul like? What is its nature?
    No body knows in this universe except our creator ALLAH.But we all know that without this soul we become a useless corpse.

    What does he do in the skies?
    Every one has feeling in the sky like a dream you sleep beside your wife but everyone of you has his dream which is completly different.


    What does he do in the skies?
    some people pray as they were doing in thier life others play with thier wives others eating .......etc.

    What if he has no grave?
    it is ok you can visit him where he dies.some people die in the sea you can visit him in the sea where he dies.

    And how do you know that Islam cannot have mistakes?
    make your mind and ask the experts and you will know the truth.

    So perhaps the question I should ask you is whether you think that it is impossible for God to become a man and walk among us?
    ok let me ask you few questions:
    1-Do you know how big is this universe?????it is more than 10^100000000 billion light years so how big is his creator???it is uniamaginable so how dare you say that in the 21st century?

    2-How the creator of this universe die??? it is impossible .This means that angels are stronger than him and this is unacceptable ......this means that angels can make a revolution and lead this universe instead of him that is really funny.

    3-SANGREAL=ROYAL BLOOD =Mary Magdelain do you know what does this mean???
    there is nothing called SANGREAL=holy cup

    4-Jesus as you say has carried all your sins so why do you live??why all christians did not commit a suicide to go to paradise instead of this world???

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    I can see you have taken a lot of time to answer all the questions, and I can see that your answers are very detailed, can I ask if there is anything you disagree with in your religion?
    If you were in charge (on Earth) of islam how would you change it or what would you like to change?.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    Prof,
    I can see you have taken a lot of time to answer all the questions, and I can see that your answers are very detailed, can I ask if there is anything you disagree with in your religion?
    If you were in charge (on Earth) of islam how would you change it or what would you like to change?.
    My dear fellow Megabrain I do not have anything I disagree with Islam..But some people do not understand real Islam ..even some muslims dont understand it right they do many wrong things.

    What I want to change to see all this world in peace ..I want to see this world ideal as I imagine.
    I want to see all this world in progress..all world work togther as one hand..

    I want to see the biggest world space ship in space discovering this universe.

    I do not want to see anyone in this planet suffers any pain....
    I do not want to see any crimes and anybody who did a crime he must take his punishment immediatly even if he was my son.

    I want to see this planet clean without any polution clean air clean water.
    I want to see everybody married with his love (no other sexual actions).
    I want to see the fastest travel mean which you can travel by it any where in a second.
    I want to see our planet as one country thier religion Islam.
    I want to see everybody happy.
    I want to enter paradise with everybody.
    I dont want to see any starvation everybody have to eat fresh food.
    I dont want to see any poor people .all people have to be rich.

    ....................etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    My dear fellow Megabrain I do not have anything I disagree with Islam..But some people do not understand real Islam ..even some muslims dont understand it right they do many wrong things.

    What I want to change to see all this world in peace ..I want to see this world ideal as I imagine.
    There are many conflicts, your view of the world though, as you want to see it will conflict with what others want.
    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    I want to see all this world in progress..all world work togther as one hand..
    Yes it would be nice if the world were united.
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    I want to see the biggest world space ship in space discovering this universe.
    I'd like to see us exploring space as well but it takes time.
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    I do not want to see anyone in this planet suffers any pain....
    Let's say unneccessary suffering.
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    I do not want to see any crimes and anybody who did a crime he must take his punishment immediatly even if he was my son.
    That would cause the offender to suffer which would contradict your previous wish.
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    I want to see this planet clean without any polution clean air clean water.
    That can't happen as even life produces pollution. Let's say unneccessary pollution.
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    I want to see everybody married with his love (no other sexual actions).
    That will make a lot of people (including myself VERY unhappy).
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    I want to see the fastest travel mean which you can travel by it any where in a second.
    I like to look out of the window and relax when travelling so I would be unhappy if I did not even have time to put my seat belt on.
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    I want to see our planet as one country thier religion Islam.
    That would make about 85% of the world very unhappy.
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    I want to see everybody happy.
    That cannot happen if they are all told to be muslim.
    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    I want to enter paradise with everybody.
    A lot of us do not think the Islamic idea of paradise is fair or true.
    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    I dont want to see any starvation everybody have to eat fresh food.
    The last few famines all seem to have been in muslim countries.
    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    I dont want to see any poor people .all people have to be rich.
    If we all had the same amount of money nobody would be rich as it is a relative term, you can only be rich if you are compared to a poor person.
    Money is the root of all greed, crime, and essentially all pollution.
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    Do you believe a helper would come and straighten all these variety of religions into one, joining the world through religion and truth ? The higher law is God?
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    Do you believe a helper would come and straighten all these variety of religions into one, joining the world through religion and truth ? The higher law is God?
    Religion and truth, I'm not sure everbody in a science forum would agree they are even remotely related.
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    That would make about 85% of the world very unhappy.
    why do you think that Islam make people unhappy please can you open your heart to me ask about all what you are worried about Islam.


    That will make a lot of people (including myself VERY unhappy)
    this shows that you dont love your wife.if you loved her you would never see any woman except her.


    That cannot happen if they are all told to be muslim.
    everyone have all his freedom to be muslim or not.

    The last few famines all seem to have been in muslim countries
    Actually you are wrong try to make sure of every piece of info. you mention..the only muslim country who have a famine was somalia.
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    I am not a religious person, many also are not, I am very busy and would not be able to spare any time to worship.

    Your second point, If an islamic man can have many wives why not a non-islamic man?

    Who said I am married anyway?


    "Everyone can be muslim or not"
    Then I will choose nOT.

    why am I wrong about the famine?
    what recent major famine has NOT been in a muslim counry?
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    Pardon, but we should somewhat respect his only "real" thread. Allow this to be a question-answer thing only. Alright?

    Question: why is the qur'an so vague?
    from my talkings with many western people I knew that if you want to understand Quraan perfectly you have to learn arabic well....some verses can not be translated perfectly in english....


    The arabic as a language is really difficult ..I can say it is impossible to understand some verses if you do not know Arabic
    If god wrote the bible, he would have made it written in a language that everybody instantly understands without difficulty. Otherwise it's always prone to mistranslation.

    The qur'an, hebrew, greek, and aramic scriptures in the bible suffer from poor translation. In fact the best literal translation is STILL the KJV (I think).
    here is the question: if a god does want his people to listen to him, don't you think he'd make it easier to listen?

    And by the way, the "best" lagnuage is possibly english (although I'm not really SURE as I am not a linguist). English is a diplomatic language, and if your vocabulary is good enough you can pretty much express anything. Although other languages are better at expressing emotion and harmony, for diplomacy english seems best (it is often referred to as a diplomatic language).

    For emotion, Japanese appears best to me (though that is personal opinion).
    But the point is, there are languages far "better" for certain things than that spoken in the qur'an. Take for example, the hebrew part of the bible (not qur'an). Their vocabulary was insanely limited. Why is it god didn't use a writing system everybody could instantly understand?
    Since god is "all knowing" he knows how, and he can since he is omnipotent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    I am not a religious person, many also are not, I am very busy and would not be able to spare any time to worship.

    Your second point, If an islamic man can have many wives why not a non-islamic man?

    Who said I am married anyway?


    "Everyone can be muslim or not"
    Then I will choose nOT.

    why am I wrong about the famine?
    what recent major famine has NOT been in a muslim counry?
    ALLAH wants from you only 10 minutes to pray is this big time for you although You maybe waste your time in watching a movie for 2 hours ..

    Yes muslims can have many wives this achieve the growth of Birth Rate.about other religions they changed it...Prophet King Solomon married 1000 women do you know that?????

    Ok it is up to you man but discuss with me why?

    :-D If you mean Sudan the famine happened to the christian tribes who want to have self rule.but the muslims no.
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    Well after I took an extensive study into ISLAM and read the koran I decided that ISLAM is not good enough for me, it seems to be all about sex, which is not the most important thing in my life. Quite why Islam says that when you go to heaven to have all the women or boys you want is beyond me, If Islam said there was a fully equipped science lab in heaven where I could get all the answers to the questions I want to know then I think about it, but I somehow can't see that sex after death has any point to it. I guess I will never be a muslim, sorry this is one guy you cannot convert, but I'm always happy to debat religion, you seem to only want to convert people, and as soon as they no you stop talking.
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    I have a topic question about islam from todays news

    The top muslim cleric in australia has described women without a veil as like pieces of meat in the street for animals to take, saying they deserve rape and assult. my questions are

    1) do you believe women without a veil are to blame for rape and not the person doing it

    2) do you think these sorts of comments help muslims in there day to days lives, with which i mean by constantly complained about the countrys they live in's lifestyle. Is this the reason that the muslims are constantly in the news? Youve made comments in the past that the muslims are percituted in the west, but are they not doing this to themselves
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    Before we continue, I urge you to be patient. I do not asks questions here to mock you but only to achieve understanding of how you think about things. You are not required to know all the answers so you can simply say that you do not know when you do not. Or you can think about them or ask your experts about them and tell me what you find out.

    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Quote Originally Posted by mitchellmckain
    What exactly is worshipping?
    Just to believe that ALLAH is one and achieve all his orders which protect our society you can say that Quraan is a manual from our creator ALLAH to tell you how to make the best use of your self .
    So worshipping is obedience? Why does God want our obedience? What does He get out of this? God has perfect obedience from the angels, so why give mankind freewill so that we have the possibility of disobedience? How is getting our obedience different from destroying our freewill, and why does he do this?

    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Why does He want to be worshipped?
    Because ALLAH liked to show his mercy and compassion.
    Why does ALLAH want to show His mercy and compassion? Does He get something out of this?

    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Why would we want to worship Him?
    Because of 3 reasons:
    1- you will live the happiest life with worshiping ALLAH after and before death and this will make you the biggest winner.
    2-ALLAH will give you many gifts because of that.
    3-You will get a great punishment if you did not.
    Suppose you meet two men. The first offers you nothing but asks for your help in aiding others in distress. This first man never thinks of himself but only of those who need his help. The second man offers you anything you desire if you will obey him, and says that he will torture you for the rest of your life if you do not obey him. What will you do? If you decide to obey the second, will you love and respect him? If you obey the second, will you love and respect yourself?

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    There are other tests?
    of course All your life you will take a surprise test maybe everyday like:losting one of your kids or losting your wife or having a serious disease when you pass a test you transfer to harder one until you become in the highest class in paradise.
    Tell me. Is this how you would raise one of your children? Would you test your child like this: killing one of his friends one day as a surprise to see if he still loves you afterwards? Would you give your child a serious disease to see he will still obey you when he is in pain?

    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Why does God test us?
    To know if you are honest or not and to transfer to a high class in paradise.
    Do you usually test your friends and family to see if they are honest and worthy of your love? Do you think a good friend or parent should test you like this to see if you are honest and worthy? Would you call a person like this a good friend or a good parent?

    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    So God is responsible for the existence of evil?
    we created the evil with our hands not ALLAH everyone like himself than the others.
    Oh I see. Your previous statements confused me. You said ALLAH created evil to test us. Is it possible that you meant that God created only the possibilty for us to do evil, but that God Himself did not do anything Himself which could be called evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Is it ok for God to do evil?
    Evil is only exist in humans and geneies.
    Is this only true by definition or is there a real difference in character between God and man, such that we can do evil and God cannot? I mean are you saying that God can do anything He wants and because He is God it is not evil? Or are you saying that there are things that we do that God will not do that that these things are evil?

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    Does ALLAH have any power to influence our choices
    Imagine that you work in an office and your manager desk is in front of you ....you can do all what you want but with his permission without his pemission you can not go anywhere. he will let you destroy your desk because he will deduce its price from your salary so you will be looser at the end.did you get the point?
    Yes but does ALLAH have any influence over what we do?

    Does ALLAH only sit back and watch or does he take part in the events of our lives?

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    But what is the soul like? What is its nature?
    But what is the soul like? What is its nature?
    No body knows in this universe except our creator ALLAH.But we all know that without this soul we become a useless corpse.
    So the purpose of the soul is life?

    The animals and plants are alive, do they have a soul?

    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    What does he do in the skies?
    Every one has feeling in the sky like a dream you sleep beside your wife but everyone of you has his dream which is completly different.
    So everyone goes to the skies but this is not the same for everyone?

    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    What does he do in the skies?
    some people pray as they were doing in thier life others play with thier wives others eating .......etc.
    Is there any difference then between living in the skies and living on the earth?

    Can a person in the skies do evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    What if he has no grave?
    it is ok you can visit him where he dies.some people die in the sea you can visit him in the sea where he dies.
    Suppose the family makes a grave but there is no body to put in it because they do not know where the person died?

    What if this person has two such graves with two such families?

    What if this person has no grave and nobody knows where he died but a family member only has a small item with which to remember him?

    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    And how do you know that Islam cannot have mistakes?
    make your mind and ask the experts and you will know the truth.
    How do the experts know that Islam cannot have any mistakes?

    Who are these experts?

    What makes these people the experts?

    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    So perhaps the question I should ask you is whether you think that it is impossible for God to become a man and walk among us?
    ok let me ask you few questions:
    1-Do you know how big is this universe?????it is more than 10^100000000 billion light years so how big is his creator???it is uniamaginable so how dare you say that in the 21st century?
    I know a lot. I am a physicist. The known universe is no where near that big. The known universe is only twenty billion light years accross. The galaxy of Andomeda is only 6 million light years away. You should be careful of exaggeration. There is nowhere near 10^100000000 atoms in the known universe. A number like 10^100000000 is only imaginable when calculating permutations and combinations and so is more like the number of possible universes that we can imagine within certain constraints.

    But none of this answers the question of whether you think that it is impossible for God to become a man and walk among us?

    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    2-How the creator of this universe die??? it is impossible .This means that angels are stronger than him and this is unacceptable ......this means that angels can make a revolution and lead this universe instead of him that is really funny.
    But according to you, dying is just going to the skies, isn't it?

    Do you mean that God cannot go to the skies?

    Why would that make the angels greater than God?

    We die and yet you say that we are greater than the angels. Is this dying and going to the skies something that we can do that God cannot?

    So there are things which we can do that God cannot do? We can love another person, can God do that?

    Although I do not, some Christians think that a third of the angels led by Lucifer did rebel against God. Apparently you think this is as preposterous as I do. I appreciate your thoughts on the matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    3-SANGREAL=ROYAL BLOOD =Mary Magdelain do you know what does this mean???
    there is nothing called SANGREAL=holy cup
    I do not know what this means. Not the slightest idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    4-Jesus as you say has carried all your sins so why do you live??why all christians did not commit a suicide to go to paradise instead of this world???
    We are not commanded to commit suicide but to go and sin no more. Suicide is another sin.

    Romans 2:4-6 "Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God (His forgiveness) leads you to repentance? But in accordance with your hardness of heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgement of God, who will render to each one according to his deeds."

    Mankind was not meant to live without a personal relationship with God, the limitations of our finite knowledge and understanding, not to mention our childish and immature desires, mislead us to do things which are destructive of our potential, freewill, and life. So Jesus has offered to renew the relationship with God that Adam and Eve threw away, and thus to save us from our own worst enemy, which is ourselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    P.S :Light Year=300000*60*60*24*365.25 Kilometers
    Yes and the distance from the earth to the sun (called an Astronomical Unit) is on average about 500 light seconds, which means that it takes the light from the sun eight and one third minutes to reach the earth. The nearest known star, other than the sun, is Proxima Centauri, which is 4.3 light years away, which is 270 thousand times as far away as the sun. However this star is rather puny compared to the sun, since it is only a seventh of the mass and only half the temperature at about 3000 degrees Kelvin, so it is not a very bright star in the sky.
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    quote = "which is 4.3 light years away, which is 63 thousands times as far away as the sun."/quote

    ERROR!! Please correct this!
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    Your religion needs some fixing.

    1. Your women don't have equal rights. One man with many wives will cause jealousy among the women. Why can't women do the same?
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    Starlight, it isn't only the qur'an that says things like that. The bible does too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    quote = "which is 4.3 light years away, which is 63 thousands times as far away as the sun."/quote

    ERROR!! Please correct this!
    Thanks, I should be more careful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht
    Starlight, it isn't only the qur'an that says things like that. The bible does too.
    Do you think it is because of Eve, women are not equal to men?
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    I was intrigued by the question, starlight asked.. and here is a follow up

    Womens Rights in Islam..

    Why is Islam unfair to women over men? Why do women have to wear the hijab, veil and cover themselves completely, while men are free to entertain themselves amongst the harem girls? (Middle East)

    Why are women condemned to death for commiting adultery or premarital sex?

    Here is something about Sharia Law..

    Sharia law is derived both from:

    The teachings of the Mulsim holy book, the Qur'an, which is believed to be the Word of God, and
    From Sunna, the practices of the prophet Muhammad.

    Some interesting details associated with Sharia law:

    Under the form of Sharia law that is practiced in Sudan, "the stones thrown during the execution should not be so large that the offender dies after a few strikes, nor so small as to fail to cause serious injury." 7

    A conviction normally requires a minimum of four witnesses who directly observed the sexual activity at the same time, or a freely-given confession by the defendant. However, as noted below, the former requirement is not always followed. If the woman is pregnant and either unmarried or divorced, she may be assumed to be guilty, if she is tried under the conservative Maliki Law School form of Sharia. 8

    Under "an obscure tenet of Islamic law,...an embryo can 'sleep' for years before swelling a woman's belly." 9 Thus, it is believed that an interval of up to seven years can pass between conception and birth. This means that a woman who is pregnant and has been divorced for fewer than seven years can theoretically claim that the father of the fetus is her former husband.

    Problems sometimes arise when an unmarried or divorced woman becomes pregnant as a result of a rape. Some Sharia courts do not recognize DNA testing or the evaluation of possible paternity by other blood tests. The case often results in a "she-said, he said" situation. Sometimes, the alleged rapist is found not-guilty because his involvement cannot be proven. But if an unmarried woman becomes pregnant, she can be assumed to be guilty of extra-marital sexual activity and can be executed. If she claims that she was raped and is unable to prove her case, then she will probably receive severe punishment, because she would be assumed guilty of making a false accusation.

    Sharia law is only applicable to Muslims. Christians and other non-Muslims are supposed to be exempt from the provisions of the law -- a provision that is ignored in the Sudan.


    Why does a man have the privilege of 'beating' his wife not vice versa?

    [4:34] If you experience rebellion from the women, you shall first talk to them, then deserting them in bed, then you may beat them. If they obey you, you are not permitted to transgress against them. GOD is Most High, Supreme.

    Hence obedience is mandatory for a woman in marriage..

    Dowry system..

    [4:25]
    Those among you who cannot afford to marry free believing women, may marry believing slave women. GOD knows best about our belief, and you are equal to one another, as far as belief is concerned. You shall obtain permission from their guardians before you marry them, and pay them their due dowry equitably. They shall maintain moral behavior, by not committing adultery, or having secret lovers. Once they are freed through marriage, if they commit adultery, their punishment shall be half of that for the free women. Marrying a slave shall be a last resort for those unable to wait. To be patient is better for you. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

    Okay few things.. I'm in doubt about, who the heck are the slave women? marrying them should be your last resort? Do explain..
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    Quote Originally Posted by starlight
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht
    Starlight, it isn't only the qur'an that says things like that. The bible does too.
    Do you think it is because of Eve, women are not equal to men?
    No, the bible specifically states women are not. In fact men are the supposed "leaders". Go culture-driven writing!
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    Excellent questions bonzo, id be interested also in the answers to these too. Especially the scientific answer to this statement, as this shows a serious lack of understanding of female biology


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    Under "an obscure tenet of Islamic law,...an embryo can 'sleep' for years before swelling a woman's belly." 9 Thus, it is believed that an interval of up to seven years can pass between conception and birth. This means that a woman who is pregnant and has been divorced for fewer than seven years can theoretically claim that the father of the fetus is her former husband.

    thanks in advance for the answer prof(keeping it scientific, i hope)
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    profahmfaw, another example of what we talked about.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15836746/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettina
    profahmfaw, another example of what we talked about.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15836746/

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    If you read the second page theres also a case of a woman whos marriage was decided for her

    The broad discretion judges enjoy have been a disaster for Fatima, another Saudi woman. She suddenly found herself divorced from her husband, Mansour al-Timani, after her half-brothers went to a judge and told him their sister had married beneath her.

    Fatima, whose full name has not been given in media reports, had been married for over three years and was pregnant with her second child when the judge declared the marriage void in July 2005.

    to me this shows clear lack of respect for womens equality
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzo
    I was intrigued by the question, starlight asked.. and here is a follow up

    Womens Rights in Islam..

    Sharia law is derived both from:

    The teachings of the Mulsim holy book, the Qur'an, which is believed to be the Word of God, and
    From Sunna, the practices of the prophet Muhammad.

    Some interesting details associated with Sharia law:

    Under the form of Sharia law that is practiced in Sudan, "the stones thrown during the execution should not be so large that the offender dies after a few strikes, nor so small as to fail to cause serious injury." 7

    A conviction normally requires a minimum of four witnesses who directly observed the sexual activity at the same time, or a freely-given confession by the defendant. However, as noted below, the former requirement is not always followed. If the woman is pregnant and either unmarried or divorced, she may be assumed to be guilty, if she is tried under the conservative Maliki Law School form of Sharia. 8

    Under "an obscure tenet of Islamic law,...an embryo can 'sleep' for years before swelling a woman's belly." 9 Thus, it is believed that an interval of up to seven years can pass between conception and birth. This means that a woman who is pregnant and has been divorced for fewer than seven years can theoretically claim that the father of the fetus is her former husband.

    Problems sometimes arise when an unmarried or divorced woman becomes pregnant as a result of a rape. Some Sharia courts do not recognize DNA testing or the evaluation of possible paternity by other blood tests. The case often results in a "she-said, he said" situation. Sometimes, the alleged rapist is found not-guilty because his involvement cannot be proven. But if an unmarried woman becomes pregnant, she can be assumed to be guilty of extra-marital sexual activity and can be executed. If she claims that she was raped and is unable to prove her case, then she will probably receive severe punishment, because she would be assumed guilty of making a false accusation.

    Sharia law is only applicable to Muslims. Christians and other non-Muslims are supposed to be exempt from the provisions of the law -- a provision that is ignored in the Sudan.


    Why does a man have the privilege of 'beating' his wife not vice versa?

    [4:34] If you experience rebellion from the women, you shall first talk to them, then deserting them in bed, then you may beat them. If they obey you, you are not permitted to transgress against them. GOD is Most High, Supreme.

    Hence obedience is mandatory for a woman in marriage..

    Dowry system..

    [4:25]
    Those among you who cannot afford to marry free believing women, may marry believing slave women. GOD knows best about our belief, and you are equal to one another, as far as belief is concerned. You shall obtain permission from their guardians before you marry them, and pay them their due dowry equitably. They shall maintain moral behavior, by not committing adultery, or having secret lovers. Once they are freed through marriage, if they commit adultery, their punishment shall be half of that for the free women. Marrying a slave shall be a last resort for those unable to wait. To be patient is better for you. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

    Okay few things.. I'm in doubt about, who the heck are the slave women? marrying them should be your last resort? Do explain..
    My answer is that you understand islam wrong ....and I dont have enough time or effort to reply on these lies..

    I want you to know that the women in USA chose Islam and they are growing everyday more than men who enter Islam.

    The american Muslim women have a big league called MWL.MWL is a nonprofit American Muslim organization working to implement the values of Islam and thereby reclaim the status of women as free, equal and vital contributors to society.
    this the link to make sure--------->
    http://www.mwlusa.org/

    Do You know why american chose to be muslims??
    First because they understand Islam better than you.
    second because of that satistics:
    Every two and a half minutes, somewhere in America, someone is sexually assaulted.
    One in six American women are victims of sexual assault, and one in 33 men.
    In 2004-2005, there were an average annual 200,780 victims of rape, attempted rape or sexual assault.
    About 44% of rape victims are under age 18, and 80% are under age 30.
    Since 1993, rape/sexual assault has fallen by over 69%.

    and Rapes Still Not Being Reported
    The National Crime Victimization Survey includes statistics on reported and unreported crimes in America. Sexual assault is one of the most underreported crimes, with more than half still being left unreported. Utilizing services such as The National Sexual Assault Hotline can help encourage victims to get help and report what has happened to them so that more perpetrators can be brought to justice.

    Males are the least likely to report a sexual assault, though it is estimated they make up 10% of all victims. Young females are four times more likely than any other group to be a victim of sexual assault.


    IN THE Other Side in the Islamic world we see Islam protects women and take care of her...everyone has his responsibility..

    I will send a new post talking about that.please visit it and tell me what is your opinion???
    please try to understand Islam right..try to ask any muslim near you about Islam.try to visit an Islamic country to know the truth..the way to the truth need some working.
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    My answer is that you understand islam wrong ....and I dont have enough time or effort to reply on these lies..
    Erm, no he doesn't. Thus far he understands it correctly. He has quoted from your own qur'an (in context no less!), examined your society, etc. How is it wrong? And the rest of your post, even though long, COMPLETELY AVOIDS THE SUBJECT!

    I want you to know that the women in USA chose Islam and they are growing everyday more than men who enter Islam.

    The american Muslim women have a big league called MWL.MWL is a nonprofit American Muslim organization working to implement the values of Islam and thereby reclaim the status of women as free, equal and vital contributors to society.
    this the link to make sure--------->
    http://www.mwlusa.org/
    I'm not sure if you've noticed, but women in America tend to be even more free than the men. Implementing Muslim values from the qur'an would instantly mean that they'd be dragged back down to their former society levels.

    Also, super bonus points, they're not talking about a lack of freedom in America, they're talking about lack of freedom in their Muslim lives. You just defeated yourself.
    Also, many of these women come into America with their husbands, and still suffer the same cruelty or lack of justice as before, sometimes even worse. This can give them the illusion that America is maybe LESS free than their own country.

    Another thing I don't get, is where the qur'an gives women more freedom than the US does.

    Do You know why american chose to be muslims??
    First because they understand Islam better than you.
    The conversion rate of anybody to Muslim is INSANELY LOW.
    Why? Because it's full of contradictions, interpretations, uncertainty, and overall bullshit. As we've mentioned prior, like with the "ozone layer" and other stuff, the qur'an is only interpretation, not once has it been a set thing.

    Here, let me post a link:
    http://www.islamamerica.org/history.cfm
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    The estimated conversion rate among Americans is 135,000 per year.
    <<

    that is very. very. very. low.

    second because of that satistics:
    Every two and a half minutes, somewhere in America, someone is sexually assaulted.
    One in six American women are victims of sexual assault, and one in 33 men.
    In 2004-2005, there were an average annual 200,780 victims of rape, attempted rape or sexual assault.
    About 44% of rape victims are under age 18, and 80% are under age 30.
    Since 1993, rape/sexual assault has fallen by over 69%.
    Yeah...and? The USA is composed of over 300 million people. 200,780 victims in one year is actually very LOW. Also, rape statistic reporting is heavily flawed:
    http://www.junkscience.com/nov98/rape2.htm

    as an example shown there, so those statistics are about as true as the qur'an is on subjects of science.

    and Rapes Still Not Being Reported
    The National Crime Victimization Survey includes statistics on reported and unreported crimes in America. Sexual assault is one of the most underreported crimes, with more than half still being left unreported. Utilizing services such as The National Sexual Assault Hotline can help encourage victims to get help and report what has happened to them so that more perpetrators can be brought to justice.

    Males are the least likely to report a sexual assault, though it is estimated they make up 10% of all victims. Young females are four times more likely than any other group to be a victim of sexual assault.
    ...and? Again, do you have any idea how small the rape percentage is compared to the overall 300+ million populace?

    By using a percentage calculator (since the percentage conversion equation has somehow utterly LEFT my brain...), I get the following percentage result:

    200,780 out of 300,000,000 is: 0.06692666666666668% of the population.


    By contrast, islam:
    http://proliferations.tankgreen.com/...-and-religion/

    You can also google for a few HUNDRED links like it, and apparently there are no official rape statistics in muslim-dominant countries. Know why? They're too busy blowing themselves to hell to be advanced enough to be ABLE to gather rape statistics. Yeah, you really have a peaceful religion.

    Here is how Muslims work so far: A neighboring city gains some significant advancement and begins to become better than the other cities. Then the neighboring city (or country) decides to go over there and PILLAGE THE FUCKERS! That's basically how it's been for the past...I dunno...ever since the dawn of the middle-east cultures? If you don't believe me, people, just turn on the news. The middle-east is a cess-pool of continual violence.

    IN THE Other Side in the Islamic world we see Islam protects women and take care of her...everyone has his responsibility..

    I will send a new post talking about that.please visit it and tell me what is your opinion???
    please try to understand Islam right..try to ask any muslim near you about Islam.try to visit an Islamic country to know the truth..the way to the truth need some working.
    Muslim women are as protected as a naked man in -20 degree weather. They still suffer rape, and there are TONS of counts of rape that go through the internet, court, news, etc, every damn day concerning Muslims.

    You keep telling one-sided lies, and apparently keep trying to exempt your own religion and "people" from those lies, but they end up backfiring. Know why? Because we aren't stupid enough to take them at face value.
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    Also with the rape thing prof, Why are these women raped? your answer in the past is because of the western clothing. Who choses to wear the western clothing? the answer......The women themselves.....


    Are you suggesting that western men tell the wives/girlfriends/sisters etc what to wear? who to speak to, where to go?

    Also if its western women joining your religion. how are they protected by your religion from rape? Is it like in muslim countrys where they are not technically raped because there are not enough witnesses so it doesn't count.



    Also a seperate question..........


    In iraq the majority of muslims are killed by muslims. How is this seen in the eyes of your god? The 6 suicide bombers who killed almost 200 muslims yesterday. Do the go to heaven? I think its something like 100muslims die every day in iraq at the hands of other muslims. thats alot of people who are blowing themselves up thinking its ok to kill other "believers" and still go to heaven

    Or are you still not answering me If you are then can any other muslims or non-muslims explain the logic in this
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    Also with the rape thing prof, Why are these women raped? your answer in the past is because of the western clothing. Who choses to wear the western clothing? the answer......The women themselves.....


    Are you suggesting that western men tell the wives/girlfriends/sisters etc what to wear?
    Plus, muslim women are raped regardless of their clothing. His argument is down the shitter now.
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    Also with the rape thing prof, Why are these women raped? your answer in the past is because of the western clothing. Who choses to wear the western clothing? the answer......The women themselves.....


    Are you suggesting that western men tell the wives/girlfriends/sisters etc what to wear?
    Plus, muslim women are raped regardless of their clothing. His argument is down the shitter now.

    sorry i was adding to my post while you were posting
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    It's easy, the qur'an says little directly about what true believers are. the extremists believe that the people allowing the USA to be there are non-true believers, since the USA is supposedly "evil." Go vague text that creates rampant violent acts!
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    All gods are invented by humans and religion are used and abused to promote views rules and control the naive people of the earth(god says give me money, god says blow yourself up, god says do this, god says killing is a sin since you havent figure out by yourself that its not a good idea execpt that you can kill when I huh I meen when "god" says otherwise, ...). Islam is no different.


    The Hijab/scarf/whatever rape argument might only apply in a backward and extremely retarded neanderthal society if at all. There are nudist camps where women and men walk around completely nude and there no rape in these camps, in Europe on beaches some women walk around topless and its no big deal nor is there any more rape then anywhere else.

    Should cars be covered at all time with a big cloth covering to avoid men's urge to steal a car?

    In addition, using crime infested America to prove clothing causes crime(rape) is like saying that if you jump out of an airplane without a parachute but with a chocolate bar in your pocket and die on impact that this proves carrying a chocoalte bar causes you to die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by icewendigo
    All gods are invented by humans and religion are used and abused to promote views rules and control the naive people of the earth(god says give me money, god says blow yourself up, god says do this, god says killing is a sin since you havent figure out by yourself that its not a good idea execpt that you can kill when I huh I meen when "god" says otherwise, ...). Islam is no different.


    The Hijab/scarf/whatever rape argument might only apply in a backward and extremely retarded neanderthal society if at all. There are nudist camps where women and men walk around completely nude and there no rape in these camps, in Europe on beaches some women walk around topless and its no big deal nor is there any more rape then anywhere else.

    Should cars be covered at all time with a big cloth covering to avoid men's urge to steal a car?

    In addition, using crime infested America to prove clothing causes crime(rape) is like saying that if you jump out of an airplane without a parachute but with a chocolate bar in your pocket and die on impact that this proves carrying a chocoalte bar causes you to die.

    i agree totally my sentiment exactly but you worded it better than me :wink:
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    Any questions in Islam says it here.

    But don't expect an answer. :wink:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettina
    profahmfaw, another example of what we talked about.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15836746/

    Bettina
    where do you get that news ?????

    we didnt here about something like that before.I dont believe that something like this can happen.Maybe the judge didnt believe her cause she was a criminal...

    Take this advice from me:when I look to christianity I look to it as a religion I dont look to christians....

    Why all this forum look to Muslims and what they doing??

    Many muslim dont apply the teaching of Islam because of many reasons one of them is the Secularism and globalizations and the Pressures of US.

    Yes something like this could happen ..because some muslims dont apply what Islam says.

    Islam tells us to beat your wife with something like a pen to know that she made something wrong or to kidding with her..... and the same side I see almost everyday an accident happened in US ,UK,France,Italy,Spain even Germany "a husband beat his wife till death" o"ranother man killed his wife"

    even in Hollywood movies we see many husbands Smack,Beat or kill thier wives.

    know that the violence rate or suicide in Islamic world is too low not like Us and europe.

    Please dont look to muslims and what they doing look to Islam.

    american woman was asked why did you enter Islam??

    she said "christianity means to go to the church every monday but islam is a complete Curriculum to our life"

    I think this is enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Quote Originally Posted by Bettina
    profahmfaw, another example of what we talked about.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15836746/

    Bettina
    where do you get that news ?????

    we didnt here about something like that before.I dont believe that something like this can happen.Maybe the judge didnt believe her cause she was a criminal...

    Take this advice from me:when I look to christianity I look to it as a religion I dont look to christians....

    Why all this forum look to Muslims and what they doing??

    Many muslim dont apply the teaching of Islam because of many reasons one of them is the Secularism and globalizations and the Pressures of US.

    Yes something like this could happen ..because some muslims dont apply what Islam says.

    Islam tells us to beat your wife with something like a pen to know that she made something wrong or to kidding with her..... and the same side I see almost everyday an accident happened in US ,UK,France,Italy,Spain even Germany "a husband beat his wife till death" o"ranother man killed his wife"

    even in Hollywood movies we see many husbands Smack,Beat or kill thier wives.

    know that the violence rate or suicide in Islamic world is too low not like Us and europe.

    Please dont look to muslims and what they doing look to Islam.

    american woman was asked why did you enter Islam??

    she said "christianity means to go to the church every monday but islam is a complete Curriculum to our life"

    I think this is enough.

    Prof if you bother to read this article you would see it says:-

    Justice in Saudi Arabia is administered by a system of religious courts according to the kingdom’s strict interpretation of Islamic Sharia law.


    so it is from Islam
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    Prof if you bother to read this article you would see it says:-

    Quote:
    Justice in Saudi Arabia is administered by a system of religious courts according to the kingdom’s strict interpretation of Islamic Sharia law

    ok but they were wrong in applying the Islamic sharia if the article was right and didnt lie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Prof if you bother to read this article you would see it says:-

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    Justice in Saudi Arabia is administered by a system of religious courts according to the kingdom’s strict interpretation of Islamic Sharia law

    ok but they were wrong in applying the Islamic sharia if the article was right and didnt lie.

    are you saying that the islamic sharia is wrong or that an islamic country shouldn't use it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by captaincaveman
    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Prof if you bother to read this article you would see it says:-

    Quote:
    Justice in Saudi Arabia is administered by a system of religious courts according to the kingdom’s strict interpretation of Islamic Sharia law

    ok but they were wrong in applying the Islamic sharia if the article was right and didnt lie.

    are you saying that the islamic sharia is wrong or that an islamic country shouldn't use it?
    nooooooooo you didnt understand me my brother I mean that may the judges made a mistake or they didnt apply the shria right as the article says ...we are humans we make mistakes but shria which came from ALLAH dont make a mistake.
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    where do you get that news ?????

    we didnt here about something like that before.I dont believe that something like this can happen.Maybe the judge didnt believe her cause she was a criminal...
    Okay, from this we now ALL KNOW that you've led a VERY SHELTERED life as a muslim. You also never bothered to look at reports around the world of how other muslims act.
    Sure, you can pass them off as lies because the harsh reality is too much for your poor brainwashed mind to accept, but that doesn't mean they don't happen.

    Take this advice from me:when I look to christianity I look to it as a religion I dont look to christians....

    Why all this forum look to Muslims and what they doing??
    Because muslims are very religious. They voice their religion continually, and basically NOTHING they do is without their religion. Kill some children? DURKA DURKA MOHAMMAD JIHAD! Destroy a country? FOR ALLAH! Kill their own people? ALLAH! WOO!

    Christians tend to be liberal now days. And those that aren't will probably die-out sooner or later as science wins out. However, islam is the only thing that is exempt from it for now, since it's only spreading in underdeveloped and undereducated areas of countries. Gee...I wonder why?

    Many muslim dont apply the teaching of Islam because of many reasons one of them is the Secularism and globalizations and the Pressures of US.
    Wrong. The USA doesn't give a crap if they apply their religion or not. That's why iran and other countries are sitting pretty. They do, however, care if they're a threat to the USA and it's allies.

    Also, islam applies their religion in a very strong brainwashed fashion. The entire "war against the nonbelievers" is based on their religion! What hippie version of the qur'an are YOU reading??

    Yes something like this could happen ..because some muslims dont apply what Islam says.
    Muslims have repeatedly quoted the qur'an as they bomb cities, raid houses, kill children, etc. They apply them perfectly, and that's the problem.

    Islam tells us to beat your wife with something like a pen to know that she made something wrong or to kidding with her..... and the same side I see almost everyday an accident happened in US ,UK,France,Italy,Spain even Germany "a husband beat his wife till death" o"ranother man killed his wife"
    What the fuck? A pen? Hahahahahaha! The scripture says a husband is allowed to beat his wife. It says nothing about leniency. You could beat your wife unto death if the husband deemed she deserved it, as there are no scriptures against the "beat your wife" scripture.

    Furthermore, in each of those countries the rates in which husbands harm there wives, according to population percentage, is so low it's hilarious. Remember the rape rate? Which was like 0.6%? Apply it here.

    even in Hollywood movies we see many husbands Smack,Beat or kill thier wives.
    Erm...unless you're talking about a HORROR MOVIE then I've no idea what you speak of. All movies with that kind of content are normally deemed HORROR for a reason. We have tons of sickeningly annoying love-story movies that are more numerous than the ones of mention.

    know that the violence rate or suicide in Islamic world is too low not like Us and europe.
    The violence, suicide, etc, rate in islamic nations CAN'T EVEN BE ANALYZED BECAUSE THE COUNTRIES ARE SO UNDERDEVELOPED. Islam has stunted their growth for years. You can't say they're even low, because you don't know! That's why I never said they're high!

    However, simply turn on the NEWS. Violence rates in islamic countries are INSANELY HIGH compared to that of other countries.

    Please dont look to muslims and what they doing look to Islam.

    american woman was asked why did you enter Islam??

    she said "christianity means to go to the church every monday but islam is a complete Curriculum to our life"

    I think this is enough.
    The words of one hair-brained random women is pathetic. What are you, some Watchtower provided by the JW's that provides continual one-liners from "authority figures" to further brainwash it's populace? Seriously, STOP THIS NONESENSE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Prof if you bother to read this article you would see it says:-

    Quote:
    Justice in Saudi Arabia is administered by a system of religious courts according to the kingdom’s strict interpretation of Islamic Sharia law

    ok but they were wrong in applying the Islamic sharia if the article was right and didnt lie.

    are you saying that the islamic sharia is wrong or that an islamic country shouldn't use it?
    nooooooooo you didnt understand me my brother I mean that may the judges made a mistake or they didnt apply the shria right as the article says ...we are humans we make mistakes but shria which came from ALLAH dont make a mistake.
    well the same mistakes are being made in nigeria and pakistan also

    http://www.freemuslims.org/document.php?id=41

    http://www.ishr.org/activities/campa...g/adultery.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht
    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    where do you get that news ?????

    we didnt here about something like that before.I dont believe that something like this can happen.Maybe the judge didnt believe her cause she was a criminal...
    Okay, from this we now ALL KNOW that you've led a VERY SHELTERED life as a muslim. You also never bothered to look at reports around the world of how other muslims act.
    Sure, you can pass them off as lies because the harsh reality is too much for your poor brainwashed mind to accept, but that doesn't mean they don't happen.

    Take this advice from me:when I look to christianity I look to it as a religion I dont look to christians....

    Why all this forum look to Muslims and what they doing??
    Because muslims are very religious. They voice their religion continually, and basically NOTHING they do is without their religion. Kill some children? DURKA DURKA MOHAMMAD JIHAD! Destroy a country? FOR ALLAH! Kill their own people? ALLAH! WOO!

    Christians tend to be liberal now days. And those that aren't will probably die-out sooner or later as science wins out. However, islam is the only thing that is exempt from it for now, since it's only spreading in underdeveloped and undereducated areas of countries. Gee...I wonder why?

    Many muslim dont apply the teaching of Islam because of many reasons one of them is the Secularism and globalizations and the Pressures of US.
    Wrong. The USA doesn't give a crap if they apply their religion or not. That's why iran and other countries are sitting pretty. They do, however, care if they're a threat to the USA and it's allies.

    Also, islam applies their religion in a very strong brainwashed fashion. The entire "war against the nonbelievers" is based on their religion! What hippie version of the qur'an are YOU reading??

    Yes something like this could happen ..because some muslims dont apply what Islam says.
    Muslims have repeatedly quoted the qur'an as they bomb cities, raid houses, kill children, etc. They apply them perfectly, and that's the problem.

    Islam tells us to beat your wife with something like a pen to know that she made something wrong or to kidding with her..... and the same side I see almost everyday an accident happened in US ,UK,France,Italy,Spain even Germany "a husband beat his wife till death" o"ranother man killed his wife"
    What the fuck? A pen? Hahahahahaha! The scripture says a husband is allowed to beat his wife. It says nothing about leniency. You could beat your wife unto death if the husband deemed she deserved it, as there are no scriptures against the "beat your wife" scripture.

    Furthermore, in each of those countries the rates in which husbands harm there wives, according to population percentage, is so low it's hilarious. Remember the rape rate? Which was like 0.6%? Apply it here.

    even in Hollywood movies we see many husbands Smack,Beat or kill thier wives.
    Erm...unless you're talking about a HORROR MOVIE then I've no idea what you speak of. All movies with that kind of content are normally deemed HORROR for a reason. We have tons of sickeningly annoying love-story movies that are more numerous than the ones of mention.

    know that the violence rate or suicide in Islamic world is too low not like Us and europe.
    The violence, suicide, etc, rate in islamic nations CAN'T EVEN BE ANALYZED BECAUSE THE COUNTRIES ARE SO UNDERDEVELOPED. Islam has stunted their growth for years. You can't say they're even low, because you don't know! That's why I never said they're high!

    However, simply turn on the NEWS. Violence rates in islamic countries are INSANELY HIGH compared to that of other countries.

    Please dont look to muslims and what they doing look to Islam.

    american woman was asked why did you enter Islam??

    she said "christianity means to go to the church every monday but islam is a complete Curriculum to our life"

    I think this is enough.
    The words of one hair-brained random women is pathetic. What are you, some Watchtower provided by the JW's that provides continual one-liners from "authority figures" to further brainwash it's populace? Seriously, STOP THIS NONESENSE.
    I am sorry but you are telling lies lies and lies...you are brain washed why you dont come to visit egypt to see your self the islamic places insted of reading the stupid web sies and newspapers and watching the stupid media.

    you are fighting me I dont know why...are you sure that every piece of information you said is right???


    what are your references??????

    all stupid web sites you gave me before are from the enemies why you dont travell to any islamic country and see your self???
    I can accept you as my guest and I can reserve you a single room in Cairo Hilton and I promise to get you to many great scientists in Islam where you can ask what you want.


    Can I ask you a simple question??
    Imagine with me that one day you discovered that all what I told you was right.....what will you do????
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    I am sorry but you are telling lies lies and lies...you are brain washed why you dont come to visit egypt to see your self the islamic places insted of reading the stupid web sies and newspapers and watching the stupid media.
    Right. You've done nothing to prove they're lies, all you are saying is "NO! IT CAN'T BE TRUE! ALLAH! MOHAMMAD! GAAAAH!" in a display of utter ignorance of world events.

    So basically, all websites and media lies? Wouldn't that require the internet to be filtered so that nothing pro-islam is put on the web? Oh, wait, there are pro-islam websites. You fail.

    Furthermore, egypt is a very unstable place. It's military is at edge with numerous other places, and it's a rather uneducated area. Mainly because it doesn't make too much money for it's economy. Seriously, what could it export/import? Sand? Other than the massive amount of farming land, I see no other probable economic money-making resource!

    you are fighting me I dont know why...are you sure that every piece of information you said is right???
    Are you sure it's wrong? I'm arguing against your claims because, as I've proven and other forum members have time and time again, they're incorrect.

    all stupid web sites you gave me before are from the enemies why you dont travell to any islamic country and see your self???
    I can accept you as my guest and I can reserve you a single room in Cairo Hilton and I promise to get you to many great scientists in Islam where you can ask what you want.
    So basically leave my current comfortable position, go outside, drive to an airport, buy a ticket, manage to locate you magically through a sea of islamist extremists, trust an islamist extremist, etc...I'd rather commit suicide.

    Furthermore, your "scientists" sound as stupid as the average american here. Just WHAT kind of education do you get?

    Here is something funny.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...l_IQ_estimates

    According to a national IQ bell-curve statistic (where 100 is average) egypt falls to 83 IQ. Yeah, you're smart. While IQ doesn't mean much, after it starts falling below 100 people get progressively and irreversibly dumber.

    Can I ask you a simple question??
    Imagine with me that one day you discovered that all what I told you was right.....what will you do????
    In a hypothetical situation where you are in fact correct, fine.

    Now reverse that, what would you do if you are wrong and we're right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht
    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    I am sorry but you are telling lies lies and lies...you are brain washed why you dont come to visit egypt to see your self the islamic places insted of reading the stupid web sies and newspapers and watching the stupid media.
    Right. You've done nothing to prove they're lies, all you are saying is "NO! IT CAN'T BE TRUE! ALLAH! MOHAMMAD! GAAAAH!" in a display of utter ignorance of world events.

    So basically, all websites and media lies? Wouldn't that require the internet to be filtered so that nothing pro-islam is put on the web? Oh, wait, there are pro-islam websites. You fail.

    Furthermore, egypt is a very unstable place. It's military is at edge with numerous other places, and it's a rather uneducated area. Mainly because it doesn't make too much money for it's economy. Seriously, what could it export/import? Sand? Other than the massive amount of farming land, I see no other probable economic money-making resource!

    you are fighting me I dont know why...are you sure that every piece of information you said is right???
    Are you sure it's wrong? I'm arguing against your claims because, as I've proven and other forum members have time and time again, they're incorrect.

    all stupid web sites you gave me before are from the enemies why you dont travell to any islamic country and see your self???
    I can accept you as my guest and I can reserve you a single room in Cairo Hilton and I promise to get you to many great scientists in Islam where you can ask what you want.
    So basically leave my current comfortable position, go outside, drive to an airport, buy a ticket, manage to locate you magically through a sea of islamist extremists, trust an islamist extremist, etc...I'd rather commit suicide.

    Furthermore, your "scientists" sound as stupid as the average american here. Just WHAT kind of education do you get?

    Here is something funny.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...l_IQ_estimates

    According to a national IQ bell-curve statistic (where 100 is average) egypt falls to 83 IQ. Yeah, you're smart. While IQ doesn't mean much, after it starts falling below 100 people get progressively and irreversibly dumber.

    Can I ask you a simple question??
    Imagine with me that one day you discovered that all what I told you was right.....what will you do????
    In a hypothetical situation where you are in fact correct, fine.

    Now reverse that, what would you do if you are wrong and we're right?

    HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA I am sorry but you looks so ignorant ..we have here in egypt thousands of tourists who come to visit the pyramids and sphinx and enjoying the beautiful weather ...

    This just an example of what you said all what you say you invent it......


    Egypt is exporting Potatoes and cotton to your country UK.also we export electronic equipments and ceramic and carpets to many countries...

    I can not imagine that there is ignorants people like you in UK..this show you didnt learn in your school except the pharohs..........


    I DONT WANT TO SEE ANY REPLY FROM YOU

    I am sorry admin but this man insulted me many times...and he wash the brains of our members with wrong information...I dont know is he ignoranrt??? or just lieing.

    I suppose that he is telling lies because the education level in Uk I am sure it is better than that.
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    HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA I am sorry but you looks so ignorant ..we have here in egypt thousands of tourists who come to visit the pyramids and sphinx and enjoying the beautiful weather ...
    In case you hadn't noticed, I wasn't being serious. Inevitably I plan to go to egypt for a few things, but not so some islam extremist can try and fail to prove an invalid point.

    Egypt is exporting Potatoes and cotton to your country UK.also we export electronic equipments and ceramic and carpets to many countries...
    Like I said, farmland. It doesn't produce a lot of money, not as much as other export such as oil and such.

    I can not imagine that there is ignorants people like you in UK..this show you didnt learn in your school except the pharohs..........
    Howso? In the first place I wasn't being serious about the whole country being close to tourists, I mean seriously, I've seen HOW MANY documentaries conducted by american anthropologists? You, sir, need to learn when others aren't serious.

    I am sorry admin but this man insulted me many times...and he wash the brains of our members with wrong information...I dont know is he ignoranrt??? or just lieing.

    I suppose that he is telling lies because the education level in Uk I am sure it is better than that.
    No, see, you've continually insulted everybody else on this forum with your lack of intelligence and coherency. Plus, you have completely avoided replying to the rest of my post, and stuck to an ad-hominem reply.

    Furthermore, you directly insult the education of the UK, when I'm in the US. Truly, your memory must be lacking.

    And I suppose you correlate "lies" with "truths", since all of my claims I back up with reputable sources. Save for the IQ bit, since I'm not sure it's accurate, but I cannot find another online test that shows IQ's from egypt.

    And lastly, the education levels in the UK, US, Canada, Australia, etc, are better than Egypt.

    In fact, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Egypt

    If that link is incorrect about education in egypt, kindly prove it wrong with updated statistics. 'kay? 'kay.

    ----edit----
    http://www.historyguy.com/wars_of_egypt.html

    Voila, wars in egypt.
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    I am sorry but you are telling lies lies and lies...you are brain washed why you dont come to visit egypt to see your self the islamic places insted of reading the stupid web sies and newspapers and watching the stupid media.
    Right. You've done nothing to prove they're lies, all you are saying is "NO! IT CAN'T BE TRUE! ALLAH! MOHAMMAD! GAAAAH!" in a display of utter ignorance of world events.

    So basically, all websites and media lies? Wouldn't that require the internet to be filtered so that nothing pro-islam is put on the web? Oh, wait, there are pro-islam websites. You fail.

    Furthermore, egypt is a very unstable place. It's military is at edge with numerous other places, and it's a rather uneducated area. Mainly because it doesn't make too much money for it's economy. Seriously, what could it export/import? Sand? Other than the massive amount of farming land, I see no other probable economic money-making resource!

    you are fighting me I dont know why...are you sure that every piece of information you said is right???
    Are you sure it's wrong? I'm arguing against your claims because, as I've proven and other forum members have time and time again, they're incorrect.

    all stupid web sites you gave me before are from the enemies why you dont travell to any islamic country and see your self???
    I can accept you as my guest and I can reserve you a single room in Cairo Hilton and I promise to get you to many great scientists in Islam where you can ask what you want.
    So basically leave my current comfortable position, go outside, drive to an airport, buy a ticket, manage to locate you magically through a sea of islamist extremists, trust an islamist extremist, etc...I'd rather commit suicide.

    Furthermore, your "scientists" sound as stupid as the average american here. Just WHAT kind of education do you get?

    Here is something funny.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...l_IQ_estimates

    According to a national IQ bell-curve statistic (where 100 is average) egypt falls to 83 IQ. Yeah, you're smart. While IQ doesn't mean much, after it starts falling below 100 people get progressively and irreversibly dumber.

    Can I ask you a simple question??
    Imagine with me that one day you discovered that all what I told you was right.....what will you do????
    In a hypothetical situation where you are in fact correct, fine.

    Now reverse that, what would you do if you are wrong and we're right?

    HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA I am sorry but you looks so ignorant ..we have here in egypt thousands of tourists who come to visit the pyramids and sphinx and enjoying the beautiful weather ...

    This just an example of what you said all what you say you invent it......


    Egypt is exporting Potatoes and cotton to your country UK.also we export electronic equipments and ceramic and carpets to many countries...

    I can not imagine that there is ignorants people like you in UK..this show you didnt learn in your school except the pharohs..........


    I DONT WANT TO SEE ANY REPLY FROM YOU

    I am sorry admin but this man insulted me many times...and he wash the brains of our members with wrong information...I dont know is he ignoranrt??? or just lieing.

    I suppose that he is telling lies because the education level in Uk I am sure it is better than that.
    which electronics products are you talking about. which egyptian companys would we have heard of.

    I agree there is alot of tourism in egypt. many people come to see the pyramids but i dont know for how long because of the threat of islamic terrorists

    If i remember correctly the last ones were in april of this year and the british embassys travel advise for egypt is that there is a high threat of terrorism

    http://www.britishembassy.gov.uk/ser...=1062157948289

    not looking too good for the tourism industy


    And as for the education in the UK its extremely high, The first place where arabic princes are taught is the UK and US. We have more foreign royalty going through our education systems than any other countrys
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    Why are muslims so violent despite being supposedly peaceful?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6184776.stm
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5378606.stm

    What's ironic is MUSLIMS PROVED THE POPES POINT ABOUT THEM!

    Why are muslims so generally oblivious that they must continue to prove the points that everybody says about them? You'd think a smart group would sit there and quietly (and peacefully) prove them incorrect. Instead, muslims tend to burn churches, murder people, and scream "jihad" at the top of their lungs the second their actions or faith is put into question.

    Yeah, really peaceful. Why are the very actions of your islamic nation so violent if it's based on peace?

    And plus, they went rampaging again BECAUSE OF A CARTOON! It's an animated character centered around a humerus jab at terrorists and their actions. Yet the whole islam nation pretty much went rampaging as they saw it.

    http://www.saliu.com/prophet-cartoons.html
    http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=7355

    http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/
    2006/02/08_newsroom_cartoonreax/

    Not only are muslims taking things too seriously, but they are *violently* opposing it. Furthermore:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-
    Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy


    Overall, muslims are violently ASSIMILATING cultures, and the cultures are sitting there like wusses letting them do it. Why are muslims such a violent humor-lacking group?

    I've seen cartoons about jesus. Christians laugh. I've seen cartoons about atheists, and I tend to laugh my ass off. A muslim sees a cartoon about their prophet, which suggests that their religion is based on violence, and they RAMPAGE THE WORLD.
    Yeah! really proving non-violence! Why are muslims so oblivious to their actions?! Grah!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht
    Why are muslims so violent despite being supposedly peaceful?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6184776.stm
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5378606.stm

    What's ironic is MUSLIMS PROVED THE POPES POINT ABOUT THEM!

    Why are muslims so generally oblivious that they must continue to prove the points that everybody says about them? You'd think a smart group would sit there and quietly (and peacefully) prove them incorrect. Instead, muslims tend to burn churches, murder people, and scream "jihad" at the top of their lungs the second their actions or faith is put into question.

    Yeah, really peaceful. Why are the very actions of your islamic nation so violent if it's based on peace?

    And plus, they went rampaging again BECAUSE OF A CARTOON! It's an animated character centered around a humerus jab at terrorists and their actions. Yet the whole islam nation pretty much went rampaging as they saw it.

    http://www.saliu.com/prophet-cartoons.html
    http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=7355

    http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/
    2006/02/08_newsroom_cartoonreax/

    Not only are muslims taking things too seriously, but they are *violently* opposing it. Furthermore:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-
    Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy


    Overall, muslims are violently ASSIMILATING cultures, and the cultures are sitting there like wusses letting them do it. Why are muslims such a violent humor-lacking group?

    I've seen cartoons about jesus. Christians laugh. I've seen cartoons about atheists, and I tend to laugh my ass off. A muslim sees a cartoon about their prophet, which suggests that their religion is based on violence, and they RAMPAGE THE WORLD.
    Yeah! really proving non-violence! Why are muslims so oblivious to their actions?! Grah!
    Why you say that?????

    I just told you before : look to Islam as a religion and dont look to muslims..some of them dont apply Islam teachings...Can you understand English??or do you want me to translate this in another language???

    Maybe you will OH no. these muslims have killed an animal HAHHAAAAAA

    Actually your post is useless.

    As for the cartoons : Try to draw the same cartoons for jewish and you will see how Israel Intelligence will kill you?
    or they will accuse you with Semitism
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    Why you say that?????

    I just told you before : look to Islam as a religion and dont look to muslims..some of them dont apply Islam teachings...Can you understand English??or do you want me to translate this in another language???
    Some of them? We're talking a smooth majority. I've yet to find a level-headed peace-loving muslim that would actually bother to laugh.

    Furthermore, the actions of these islamists is backed by the qur'an. That is why they are mentioned. They are always backed by the qur'an, and as my post said, the extremists religiously (pun) cite qur'an scriptures to gain supporters amongst the people. These scriptures have been given in other posts as well.

    Here are a few websites that cite scriptures and write about it so I don't have to:
    http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/islam_unbelievers.html
    http://www.parapundit.com/archives/000821.html

    Need I cite more? These websites quote the qur'an, so they can't be lying now can they? You may also check historical documents for claims they make. Granted, I assume there'll be inaccuracy nonetheless, but pay attention to the ACCURATE parts.

    Actually your post is useless.
    No, the fact you ignored the overall message is funny. My post is quite useful. It proves a point.
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    I have a question? Why is Islam so up its own ass. I mean for people that marry their own nieces, treat their women like shit and bow to some imaginary richard in the sky, you are very intolerant of others.
    "A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeeded be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." Albert Einstein
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    your other post is useless when you want to take any verse from Quraan dont take it from muslims.try to ask muslims about it.

    Do u know why?
    because Quraan is too difficult to understand by people who didnt learn Arabic...Can you speak arabic mr. Ignorant????

    This is a big problem any translation for quraan cant offer you the real meaning ...Our language is too great and have millions of meanings which can not be understood by people who cant speak arabic..

    I am sorry for that..But English is too weak comparing with Arabic..so this is the big problem ..and the enemies of Islam use this un accurate verses.

    to solve this problem you have to read an inerpertation not just the verses so please visit the sites which are in my signature and ask all what you want.

    Do you I am good in english now because of your advice.I listened to you try to listen to me.OK?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imaplanck.
    I have a question? Why is Islam so up its own ass. I mean for people that marry their own nieces, treat their women like shit and bow to some imaginary richard in the sky, you are very intolerant of others.
    As I said before this happens by people dont apply the right teachings of Islam...

    So dont look at them and look to islam as a religion and know that Quraan is too difficult to understand by people who didnt learn Arabic and the enemies of Islam use this un accurate verses from un accurate translations to make an illusion to people so dont listen to them and listen to this trusted sites:

    http://english.islamway.com/
    http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/MainPage/indexe.php
    http://www.harunyahya.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Quote Originally Posted by Imaplanck.
    I have a question? Why is Islam so up its own ass. I mean for people that marry their own nieces, treat their women like shit and bow to some imaginary richard in the sky, you are very intolerant of others.
    As I said before this happens by people dont apply the right teachings of Islam...

    So dont look at them and look to islam as a religion and know that Quraan is too difficult to understand by people who didnt learn Arabic and the enemies of Islam use this un accurate verses from un accurate translations to make an illusion to people so dont listen to them and listen to this trusted sites:

    http://english.islamway.com/
    http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/MainPage/indexe.php
    http://www.harunyahya.com/
    No I didnt ask about the Quraan.
    I have a question: Why is Islam so up its own ass. I mean for people that marry their own nieces, treat their women like shit and bow to some imaginary richard in the sky, you are very intolerant of others.
    "A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeeded be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." Albert Einstein
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    Why is Islam so up its own ass. I mean for people that marry their own nieces, treat their women like shit and bow to some imaginary richard in the sky, you are very intolerant of others.

    Can you speak english?

    I said to you this happens by muslims dont apply the right Islam. is it OK?
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    your other post is useless when you want to take any verse from Quraan dont take it from muslims.try to ask muslims about it.

    Do u know why?
    because Quraan is too difficult to understand by people who didnt learn Arabic...Can you speak arabic mr. Ignorant????
    ...so, basically, your entire counter-defense: You can't understand it because it's impossible to understand unless read in arabic.

    ...BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHA!!! Oh that's rich! That's hilarious! That's outrageously funny!

    English is quite possibly the best language to translate anything into. It has more words than any other language (according to some estimates, although that's debated over) and can convey very complex terms rather simply.
    Also, it lacks a brainwashing effect that many other languages have. Languages inherently carry on certain traits from the current civilization it's based upon.

    Currently the majority of the USA speaks "stupid," for example.

    This is a big problem any translation for quraan cant offer you the real meaning ...Our language is too great and have millions of meanings which can not be understood by people who cant speak arabic..
    Your whole argument just rests on that? Just that? You're joking. This is too easy.

    English can convey literally every possible thing known to man. If one knows enough vocabulary, that is. One can argue that other languages can do the same thing, but other languages end up importing words from a large number of others in order to fill in gaps. Japanese is specifically infamous for this, as it uses english to fill in certain gaps.

    Also, the english language, when written in a vague manner, can have just as many meanings. If you are here to argue linguistics, buddy, you'd better be a linguist. Otherwise you'll fail.

    I am sorry for that..But English is too weak comparing with Arabic..so this is the big problem ..and the enemies of Islam use this un accurate verses.
    Actually, philosophically it's practically impossible to judge language strengths. One can say that certain languages are superior due to certain psychological effects or abilities to convey things, but in the end it depends on how fluent you are in the language.

    To be frank, your claim holds zero weight. It only proves you've buckled under the massive amounts of qur'an scriptures against your claims.
    And on an interesting note: If it cannot be conveyed properly, or is inaccurate, then why are islamists basically using the same qur'an quotes about non-believers and such to justify their attacks and gain support?

    Well...so much for your argument.

    to solve this problem you have to read an inerpertation not just the verses so please visit the sites which are in my signature and ask all what you want.

    Do you I am good in english now because of your advice.I listened to you try to listen to me.OK?
    No, you aren't good at speaking english. You are still as horrid as you always were. I see no improvement.

    Also, interpretations are insanely open. the qur'an is the most hotly-debated and interpreted book known to man, and cannot be said to be perfectly accurate since it relies on human interpretation.
    However, I am using the interpretation must muslims apparently use in their support of extremists.

    but sufficed to say, interpretation means it's written in a flawed fashion. If it cannot be taken literally, then it leads to deception because the reader cannot interpret it as the author intended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    As I said before this happens by people dont apply the right teachings of Islam...
    so because they don't conform to YOUR interpretation of islam...they are incorrect. That's the most biased thing I think I'll ever read.

    By that same logic, you are incorrect because I interpret things differently and say you don't teach islam properly.

    So dont look at them and look to islam as a religion and know that Quraan is too difficult to understand by people who didnt learn Arabic and the enemies of Islam use this un accurate verses from un accurate translations to make an illusion to people so dont listen to them and listen to this trusted sites:

    http://english.islamway.com/
    http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/MainPage/indexe.php
    http://www.harunyahya.com/
    You are a hypocritical asshole. You basically say that the only websites that are "trusted" are ones that support your claims. We've listed qur'an scriptures, as you have. IN ENGLISH. So you have been teaching us *FLAWED QUR'AN ON PURPOSE*? You have lied by using the very same flawed "incorrectly translated qur'an" and claiming truth in it.

    Or you are trying to retreat so we stop bombarding you with obvious qur'an contradictions. Furthermore, the qur'an was translated into english...by scholars. Most of them probably islam scholars. Your argument, once again, falls apart under it's own weight.
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