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    Hi profahmfaw,
    Your tenacity is frightening. And if you are a moderate Muslim, it is that much more frightening.

    Please consider this for a while....

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    sorry for putting this here but didnt want to start a new thread for it.

    Ophiolite, as you locked the other thread, id put it here. I appogise for my comments. but got frustrated with 6 or 7 threads like these posted regular. I would be happy to discuss these subjects in a calm and non-insulting manner, but firstly these posts never have anything to discuss and secondly the aggression of the past does put me in a defensive manner and i only left a non personal comment after getting to the sixth similar post.

    The other point i'd like to make is that most of these comments are not from the religion islam, but the political movement of islam which is a totally different situation

    Sorry for my comments again :-D


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    CC-man,
    Don't be sorry. That's what this thread is for....

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    Quote Originally Posted by william
    CC-man,
    Don't be sorry. That's what this thread is for....

    cheers

    cheers, didn't want to hijack your thread :wink:

    the problem i had with the posts were that it wasn't the odd one thrown in here and there(thats still not right though)just the fact that every single thread was the same, and non has been any different.

    Its the kind of threads you get posted on forums selling, cheap medicines or some other product. just blanket posting over every topic area.

    Even now its still not a personal thing in my eyes, i aint that way
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    Caveman, thank you for your comments. prof was, as I explained to him and not for the first time, preaching. That is not the function of these fora.

    Equally, we do not wish to see, regardless of the provocation, discussions becoming inflamed. I know you understand how this can rapidly get out of hand. I believe we run a fairly light hand here in allowing quite vigorous exchanges, but in my judgement profs persistent preaching posts and the consequent reaction was getting out of hand.

    Thank you for your understaning and cooperation in this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Caveman, thank you for your comments. prof was, as I explained to him and not for the first time, preaching. That is not the function of these fora.

    Equally, we do not wish to see, regardless of the provocation, discussions becoming inflamed. I know you understand how this can rapidly get out of hand. I believe we run a fairly light hand here in allowing quite vigorous exchanges, but in my judgement profs persistent preaching posts and the consequent reaction was getting out of hand.

    Thank you for your understaning and cooperation in this.

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    no probs, i'll reign in my overly blunt comments :-D
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    I have been reading the site http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina31103.htm
    intoduced by CC in a locked thread.

    It is difficult for me to not be sympathetic with this web page.

    I noticed the contemptuous dismissal of paganism in the speech and I cannot look favorably on Islam's distinction of the "religions of the book". I must view this as a bit hypocritical, saying that these other religions are fair game but Islam is not. I may have reservations depending on the answer to the question of the treatment of Christians in Islamic dominated countries. Furthermore, Islam certainly has a number of legitimate historical complaints against Christianity that are certianly worth consideration. And yet what of their attitude towards the rest of the world outside the Judeo-Christian sphere? Are they an embarassment to the cause of religious freedom?

    Frankly I think that Christianity's destruction of some of the older pagan religions is something of a tragedy and I look at its modern resurgence with favor. Its respect for nature addresses a clear flaw in the Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions and is very timely.

    I am rapidly reaching the viewpoint that Islam is the opposite of timely. I would argue that it played a positive role in history but that time is long past. The trend of conversion from Islam supports this and I certainly cannot support measures by the Islamic dominated countries to halt this trend. The attitudes of profahmfaw also seem to support this viewpoint as well. His talk of Islam covering the world is ominous and does not speak favorably concerning Islamic tendencies to fanaticism.
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    i Still have no problem with islam as a religion, but my argument is against islamic politics which is what most of the problems with islam come from. There is a movement in islam which i thinks called islamofascism or something similar which are people who have the opinions of a worldwide islamic state with strict islamic control etc and without tolerence.

    Thats where i have the problem, and thats where the confusion comes people put islam religion and islam politics under one umbrella, where infact they are two seperate entitys. Not all muslims hate non-muslims, not all muslims are persuing and islamic world.But some are and they are tainting the whole thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by captaincaveman
    There is a movement in islam which i think is called islamofascism or something similar which are people who have the opinions of a worldwide islamic state with strict islamic control etc and without tolerence.
    This is the part that worries me because I consider it the ultimate goal of Islam. I rather slit my wrists and die instead.

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    Mitchell,
    you posted a copy of a pm sent to you by another member. This is genrally considered to be a breach of good forum manners. (On other forums I have been known to throw violent tantrums, toss my rattle out of the pram, and otherwise emote, until the offenders back-down, apoligise, or are taken out by a crack assassination team.)
    Would you be good enough to reconsider your inclusion of that pm in your earlier thread and remove it? Remeber the p in pm stands for personal. If prof is happy to have that message published, then I have no objections.
    Thank you.

    PS I could have saved you minor embarassment by sending you this request in a pm, but I assumed you would just post it anyway. 8)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettina
    Quote Originally Posted by captaincaveman
    There is a movement in islam which i think is called islamofascism or something similar which are people who have the opinions of a worldwide islamic state with strict islamic control etc and without tolerence.
    This is the part that worries me because I consider it the ultimate goal of Islam. I rather slit my wrists and die instead.

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    your not the only one who wouldn't want to see this happen, but dont worry 5/6th of the world are still not islamic and the majority are happy as athiests/agnostic/christian/hindu/sikh/buddist/scientologist/etc etc

    No-one would roll over and let this happen. Remember the press makes this situation to be worse than it actually is. Remember the threat of communism and that never came to much in the west. same thing :-D

    do what i do, enjoy your freedom and choices in life and keep smiling :-D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Mitchell,
    you posted a copy of a pm sent to you by another member. This is genrally considered to be a breach of good forum manners. (On other forums I have been known to throw violent tantrums, toss my rattle out of the pram, and otherwise emote, until the offenders back-down, apoligise, or are taken out by a crack assassination team.)
    Would you be good enough to reconsider your inclusion of that pm in your earlier thread and remove it? Remeber the p in pm stands for personal. If prof is happy to have that message published, then I have no objections.
    Thank you.

    PS I could have saved you minor embarassment by sending you this request in a pm, but I assumed you would just post it anyway. 8)
    To be honest, I was worried that this might be the case. But I was peeved that he did started a personal conversation and then did not reply to questions regarding it.

    Now if CC could save both our embarassments and delete this portion of his quote of my post then perhaps it can all be forgotten.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchellmckain
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Mitchell,
    you posted a copy of a pm sent to you by another member. This is genrally considered to be a breach of good forum manners. (On other forums I have been known to throw violent tantrums, toss my rattle out of the pram, and otherwise emote, until the offenders back-down, apoligise, or are taken out by a crack assassination team.)
    Would you be good enough to reconsider your inclusion of that pm in your earlier thread and remove it? Remeber the p in pm stands for personal. If prof is happy to have that message published, then I have no objections.
    Thank you.

    PS I could have saved you minor embarassment by sending you this request in a pm, but I assumed you would just post it anyway. 8)
    To be honest, I was worried that this might be the case. But I was peeved that he did started a personal conversation and then did not reply to questions regarding it.

    Now if CC could save both our embarassments and delete this portion of his quote of my post then perhaps it can all be forgotten.
    thats the problem with using someone quotes, if they want to remove it, its still there as a quote in your own post

    All sorted and removed now dude :wink:
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    Thank you both. Much appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by william
    Hi profahmfaw,
    Your tenacity is frightening. And if you are a moderate Muslim, it is that much more frightening.

    Please consider this for a while....

    Cheers,
    william
    My dear fellow my tenacity beacuse I believe in Islam as I believe that exist... I compared all the other religions and I found that Islam is the strongest Religion and it is the truth but this religion for the people who can think and use thier brain perfectly to understand it well.
    you will find that the smartest people on earth convert to Islam from scientists to celeberities.

    Yes I am moderate ...Islam told us to be moderate but there are ignorers who do not understand real Islam ..
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    May I ask at what age you discovered Islam?
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    That is really nice :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

    All the forum are fighting me this make me stronger :-D :-D :-D

    I will never never never never never stop ..as many prophets did...
    even if the moderators blocked me I have thousands of nicknames to subscribe again, again, again, again, again, and again
    The prophet Noah (pecae upon him) called for Islam 950 years..yes Islam was existed in the ancient times before Torah and the bible...

    Jesus was sent to jewish only...But Islam sent to all over the world not for humanity only but for Genies too.

    "The last day will not come untill Islam enter every home on earth"
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    That is really nice :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

    All the forum are fighting me this make me stronger :-D :-D :-D

    I will never never never never never stop ..as many prophets did...
    even if the moderators blocked me I have thousands of nicknames to subscribe again, again, again, again, again, and again
    The prophet Noah (pecae upon him) called for Islam 950 years..yes Islam was existed in the ancient times before Torah and the bible...

    Jesus was sent to jewish only...But Islam sent to all over the world not for humanity only but for Genies too.

    "The last day will not come untill Islam enter every home on earth"

    well its not going to be hard to spot you with new nicknames, your posts are pretty obvious. I dont understand what your trying to do, if anything all your doing is spreading the bad side of islam and turning people away from it.

    surely if nobody is interested in your posts then by continuing your just wasting your own time doing so
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    the forum is not fighting you. You are infringing the forum rules. You are bringing Islam into disrepute. You are ignoring requests to alter your behaviour.

    You have a last opportunity to reverse this decline. Open one further thread, no more, where you discuss one aspect of Islam that you feel is especially important. Decide for yourself what that aspect is to be. Explain why you think that aspect is important. Don't preach. Don't fill your post with quotes from others. Explain in your own words and with the words from the Koran, each of your points.
    Listen to the responses you get. Deal with them politely and unemotionally. Explain further.

    This is a major opportunity for you to restore a positive view of yourself in this community. Don't blow it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
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    the forum is not fighting you. You are infringing the forum rules. You are bringing Islam into disrepute. You are ignoring requests to alter your behaviour.

    You have a last opportunity to reverse this decline. Open one further thread, no more, where you discuss one aspect of Islam that you feel is especially important. Decide for yourself what that aspect is to be. Explain why you think that aspect is important. Don't preach. Don't fill your post with quotes from others. Explain in your own words and with the words from the Koran, each of your points.
    Listen to the responses you get. Deal with them politely and unemotionally. Explain further.

    This is a major opportunity for you to restore a positive view of yourself in this community. Don't blow it.

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    okay I will do ..but It will not be my last thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    okay I will do ..but It will not be my last thread.
    I am not saying it will be, but until you have demonstrated that you can follow the rules of this community it will be your only thread. Thank you.
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    Prof, What age did you discover Islam?.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    Prof, What age did you discover Islam?.
    Guess !!!!
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    He was either born into it, or it was shown to him in a mental institution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht
    He was either born into it, or it was shown to him in a mental institution.

    sometimes newly converted have the worse/most aggressive stance on it
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    Quote Originally Posted by captaincaveman
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht
    He was either born into it, or it was shown to him in a mental institution.

    sometimes newly converted have the worse/most aggressive stance on it
    It is true that those who convert to a religion are usually far more commited and vocal about their religion than the average person who is born into it. But I believe that the most blindly fantatical about their religion are those who where born into it but rebelled excessively, made bad choices in their life, so that their life went terribly wrong, and then "rediscovered" their own religion to bring their life "back on track".

    Those who have converted make much better apologists for they can understand how someone can come to a belief in the religion from a different starting perspective. But the "returned" equate everything outside their religion as evil, corrupt, and deceptive. After all they experienced this "truth" first hand. Not all such are vocal but some are scary, and I suspect that this may be indicative of a psychological pathology of some sort.
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    I compared all the other religions and I found that Islam is the strongest Religion and it is the truth
    I just wondered at what age he attained after a comparison of all the world's religions. This must have been a hell of an undertaking....

    My personal opinion from the post's I have read posted by him is that he is not a muslim at all, but some mischief maker trying to stir hatred for the muslim community.
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    Those who have converted make much better apologists for they can understand how someone can come to a belief in the religion from a different starting perspective. But the "returned" equate everything outside their religion as evil, corrupt, and deceptive.
    Born-agains. Born-agains are quite possibly the worst theists you'll ever meet. There is no talking to them, no reasoning, no evidence, no logic, not even a hint of accepting a possibility. Similar to Zelos (just kidding Zelos ), only 60x worse.
    Unlike your average person that would cling for psychological crutch purposes, these people subconsciously hate their life and to change it they receive "the voice of god" in their head. It's similar to a "gay" person that hears god say "today you come back to me". It's a simple subconscious mechanism that probably builds up until the boiling point is hit, and then an obvious escape mechanism is used.

    This normally only happens with those born-into it and then left it though, as mitch said. Since they were brainwashed at a young age, it sticks into their subconscious easily. Children are fairly impressionable and it carries on into their adult life.
    This is why I usually stress the importance of some amount of neutrality when raising a child.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht
    Quote Originally Posted by mitchellmckain
    Those who have converted make much better apologists for they can understand how someone can come to a belief in the religion from a different starting perspective. But the "returned" equate everything outside their religion as evil, corrupt, and deceptive.
    Born-agains. Born-agains are quite possibly the worst theists you'll ever meet. There is no talking to them, no reasoning, no evidence, no logic, not even a hint of accepting a possibility. Similar to Zelos (just kidding Zelos ), only 60x worse.
    Unlike your average person that would cling for psychological crutch purposes, these people subconsciously hate their life and to change it they receive "the voice of god" in their head. It's similar to a "gay" person that hears god say "today you come back to me". It's a simple subconscious mechanism that probably builds up until the boiling point is hit, and then an obvious escape mechanism is used.

    This normally only happens with those born-into it and then left it though, as mitch said. Since they were brainwashed at a young age, it sticks into their subconscious easily. Children are fairly impressionable and it carries on into their adult life.
    This is why I usually stress the importance of some amount of neutrality when raising a child.
    thats what happened to me my parents sent me to sunday school even though they are not religious and the day i said i didn't want to go, they accepted and i never went again. I think i was 10 or 11. Thats the best way, i let my kids choose their own way in life. I went to sunday school but dont think i was ever religious. Even then they were stories and i never differentiated between those stories and ones from grimms fairy tales etc

    Religion should never be thrust on a child
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    My personal opinion from the post's I have read posted by him is that he is not a muslim at all, but some mischief maker trying to stir hatred for the muslim community.
    He certainly is not doing it any favours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    My personal opinion from the post's I have read posted by him is that he is not a muslim at all, but some mischief maker trying to stir hatred for the muslim community.
    I was thinking the exact same thing....
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    Quote Originally Posted by william
    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    My personal opinion from the post's I have read posted by him is that he is not a muslim at all, but some mischief maker trying to stir hatred for the muslim community.
    I was thinking the exact same thing....
    I am sorry for this misunderstanding ..Actually this happened beacuse I am not good at writing english as I am Egyptian.
    Sometimes I can not express what I am really feeling because I do not have a big vocablury...I was using the google translator sometimes to translate some words

    but i did not use it in writing this post except in one word.

    and this what makes me can not reply perfectly but I realized that there are positive people who want to know more about Islam...

    I will say the truth now for all the forum ....it is time to say the truth.....


    My name is Ahmed
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    I have many articles in the special relativity , Lasers ,Particles , Cosmology , US air craft carriers, Weapons, Fuel cells ,genetic engineering , philosophy ,atomic physics and History.

    I am open minded but I thinked about Islam many times one day I asked myself if I was born in a christian family will this make me christian??????

    This lead to me to a big search which take me since I was 18 .after 5 years from searching and asking ..I reachrd that Islam is too great and all the earth have to be muslims do you know why???

    In computer language I can say that Islam is the latest version of religion from our God to us...If you want yourself to work perfectly you have to download this software and install it.

    This software is free and it can work with anybody and no requirements for installing it. :-D

    some people think that Islam dont give you the freedom you want because this people like to do the awful things...
    ALLAH want us to live as a great community so ALLAH tell us what to do and what we have not to do.

    Some people do not want to chage thier life style they were programmed from they were babies...

    I read many researches in sociology that prove to me that the teachings of Islam are right and till now I read almost every week a research that tell me that all what the west do will destrory him espcially the sexual life style...a research tells us that the europeans will vanish because the Decline of birth rate because thier sexual life style and they are destroying the family which is the unit which build the society...another research tells that the muslims have valuable morals like preventing of drinking alcohols which lead to horrible things to the man himself and his community and of course his health.

    all those researches made by western resarchers not by muslims.

    I am sorry again for every body because I can not express in english well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Quote Originally Posted by william
    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    My personal opinion from the post's I have read posted by him is that he is not a muslim at all, but some mischief maker trying to stir hatred for the muslim community.
    I was thinking the exact same thing....
    I am sorry for this misunderstanding ..Actually this happened beacuse I am not good at writing english as I am Egyptian.
    Sometimes I can not express what I am really feeling because I do not have a big vocablury...I was using the google translator sometimes to translate some words

    but i did not use it in writing this post except in one word.

    and this what makes me can not reply perfectly but I realized that there are positive people who want to know more about Islam...

    I will say the truth now for all the forum ....it is time to say the truth.....


    My name is Ahmed
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    I have many articles in the special relativity , Lasers ,Particles , Cosmology , US air craft carriers, Weapons, Fuel cells ,genetic engineering , philosophy ,atomic physics and History.

    I am open minded but I thinked about Islam many times one day I asked myself if I was born in a christian family will this make me christian??????

    This lead to me to a big search which take me since I was 18 .after 5 years from searching and asking ..I reachrd that Islam is too great and all the earth have to be muslims do you know why???

    In computer language I can say that Islam is the latest version of religion from our God to us...If you want yourself to work perfectly you have to download this software and install it.

    This software is free and it can work with anybody and no requirements for installing it. :-D

    some people think that Islam dont give you the freedom you want because this people like to do the awful things...
    ALLAH want us to live as a great community so ALLAH tell us what to do and what we have not to do.

    Some people do not want to chage thier life style they were programmed from they were babies...

    I read many researches in sociology that prove to me that the teachings of Islam are right and till now I read almost every week a research that tell me that all what the west do will destrory him espcially the sexual life style...another research tells that the europeans will vanish because the Decline of birth rate because thier sexual life style and they are destroying the family which is the unit which build the society...another research tells that the muslims have valuable morals like preventing of drinking alcohols which lead to horrible things to the man himself and his community and of course his health.

    all those researches made by western resarchers not by muslims.

    I am sorry again for every body because I can not express in english well.
    I thank you for that Ahmed. It truly seems sincere.

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    Same here. I do not have a problem with you but your religion is another matter. I see it as intollerant of other religions and from verses in the Koran I see how it can easily breed extremism.

    If you want to help Islam, you would be better off preaching to the Jihadists through their forums and tell them to stop killing people and training others to kill. I doubt your going to convert anyone here to Islam when all they see in the paper is Islamic suicide bombers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    This software is free and it can work with anybody,* no requirements for installing it. :-D
    Except for a moral code you have to assume actually works (and history shows it does not), blind faith in the accuracy of the bible (which history shows isn't-all-that-accurate), and belief in the "end time" that will probably end up as a self-fulfilling prophecy that destroys 90% of the world and leaves humanity unable to rebuild itself.

    Not only that, but one can become psychologically attached, brainwashed, scarred, etc. Yeah, no cost or requirements. But the fine print says "Warning: Your computer will be infected with 90GB of spyware".


    [b]I've read a lot of research regarding[b] sociology. It proves to me that the teachings of Islam are correct. Untill now I read research articles almost every week.
    This research told me that the west will destrory itself.
    Mostly due to the highly sexual lifestyle.
    Sociologists, depending on the person, tend to be the most incorrect people I have ever seen. Their idiocy stems from a main issue with science fields called overspecialization. With psychology, you need to learn it as a whole. If you specialize in one specific thing, you are going to be wrong. A lot.

    One piece of my research says that the europeans will vanish due to the decline in birth rates.
    Mostly due to the fact their sexual life style is destroying the biblical version of the "family unit" that builds society
    This is stupid. Very stupid. You know what was a highly sexual lifestyle? The 1960's-80's where hippies ran rampant. Is the US still around? Naturally. However if you actually mean Europe and not the US, then I have no opinion.

    As for the family "unit", that doesn't build society. Many cultures exist (some even better) without the biblical verison of a family. In fact, the biblical version of a family fails to account for numerous factors. I'll mention them later if need be, but I can't be bothered right now.

    Yet another sociology researcher says that the muslims have valuable morals that prevents alcoholism that brings horrible things unto the man, his community, and of course his health
    Yeah, see, so does most of the worlds population. did you know that alcoholism only takes up a very very very small portion of the US? You have occasional drinkers, and those alcoholics that just love the stuff. The latter is very rare.
    As for "good morals", morals are defined by the person. If said person can't define their own morals then adopting anothers isn't "good", it's an excuse to keep living because you're too stupid to dicern right from wrong.

    Granted, many morals are copied over from person to person, but this is a social type thing. If one set of morals is better than another, it will be adopted by more and more people. Possibly why tolerance levels for things like homosexuality have continued to rise.

    All of these researchers were of western decent. Not muslims.
    Yeah, see...sociologists still suck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    I reachrd that Islam is too great and all the earth have to be muslims do you know why???

    I am sorry again for every body because I can not express in english well.
    Sorry but I don't buy the english excuse. What you say above is a perfect example of why in this forum, atheist and religious persons alike find you rather scary.

    What you say is precisely why everyone must not become muslims. Strength and beauty comes from diversity and the very attitude which you express in the above statement shows a great intolerance of diversity. Your belief that when all the world becomes muslim, the world will end, is quite believable, because such a destruction of the diversity of mankind will indeed most likely bring about its extinction. However, I cannot imagine the people of the world becoming so tired of life that they would all become muslim.

    It is sad really for in the past, during the time of the great Islamic scientists, Islam was quite an example of tolerance compared to Christianity. But the world has "grown smaller" and the need for tolerance is greater than ever and tolerance of Islam has not grown any where near enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettina
    Same here. I do not have a problem with you but your religion is another matter. I see it as intollerant of other religions and from verses in the Koran I see how it can easily breed extremism.

    If you want to help Islam, you would be better off preaching to the Jihadists through their forums and tell them to stop killing people and training others to kill. I doubt your going to convert anyone here to Islam when all they see in the paper is Islamic suicide bombers.

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    My dear Bettina tell please what are you worried about Islam ??
    I am sure that there are misunderstanding i found that they are many europeans do not understand real Islam
    so please tell me all your questions and doupts about islam in my questions thread.
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    what i dont understand is what concern is it of islam, if in the western world there are gay, free loving, drinking people in the civilisation.

    I m married with two kids, i have a drink sometimes, i slept around and took mild drugs when i was a teenager, never broke any laws, ive got a couple of gay friends, couple of hindu, jadist and jewish friends. Hold down a good job, as does my wife. we have equal respect of each other, equal responsibiltys and control over our finances. live in a nice village, with nice neighbours etc

    i've got other friends who are divorced and are really good with their kids, got friends who drink too much(but hold a steady job), friends who still sleep around and take drugs

    And you know what society still works, theres not this break down that you believe because of sex, drugs and alcohol. of course theres some nasty horrible thieving scumbags out there but they are not the majority you make them out to be.

    Our society works as a whole and as a whole were happy,thats the way we like it and would fight to the death to keep it that way(as our parents and grandparents did before us)
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    I can say that Islam is the latest version of religion from our God to us...If you want yourself to work perfectly you have to download this software and install it.
    Prof,

    I tried downloading your software, but got the following error message "Cannot install whilst WIFE 2.01 and GIRLFRIEND 6.4 installed," I then clicked on the help screen and the returned message was "Must execute GIRLFRIEND 6.4 before continuing" I decided not to, after which the installer then tried to completely ZIP UP WIFE 2.01 and hide it away. The installer then also completely wiped all my Favourites, BEER 3.41, FREEDOM 2, PARTY GIRL, Beach Games and many others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    I can say that Islam is the latest version of religion from our God to us...If you want yourself to work perfectly you have to download this software and install it.
    Prof,

    I tried downloading your software, but got the following error message "Cannot install whilst WIFE 2.01 and GIRLFRIEND 6.4 installed," I then clicked on the help screen and the returned message was "Must execute GIRLFRIEND 6.4 before continuing" I decided not to, after which the installer then tried to completely ZIP UP WIFE 2.01 and hide it away. The installer then also completely wiped all my Favourites, BEER 3.41, FREEDOM 2, PARTY GIRL, Beach Games and many others.

    First of all it is not my religion it is ALLAH`s religion ...I am sorry you have a corrupted program istalled on you. you have to remove it or format this partition ...Our system and programs are like Linux the strongest but can not enjoy you as windows systems.
    But it will be enjoyable after that .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    I can say that Islam is the latest version of religion from our God to us...If you want yourself to work perfectly you have to download this software and install it.
    Prof,

    I tried downloading your software, but got the following error message "Cannot install whilst WIFE 2.01 and GIRLFRIEND 6.4 installed," I then clicked on the help screen and the returned message was "Must execute GIRLFRIEND 6.4 before continuing" I decided not to, after which the installer then tried to completely ZIP UP WIFE 2.01 and hide it away. The installer then also completely wiped all my Favourites, BEER 3.41, FREEDOM 2, PARTY GIRL, Beach Games and many others.

    First of all it is not my religion it is ALLAH`s religion ...I am sorry you have a corrupted program istalled on you. you have to remove it or format this partition ...Our system and programs are like Linux the strongest but can not enjoy you as windows systems.
    But it will be enjoyable after that .
    I just don't know how to respond to that, can anybody help?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    I can say that Islam is the latest version of religion from our God to us...If you want yourself to work perfectly you have to download this software and install it.
    Prof,

    I tried downloading your software, but got the following error message "Cannot install whilst WIFE 2.01 and GIRLFRIEND 6.4 installed," I then clicked on the help screen and the returned message was "Must execute GIRLFRIEND 6.4 before continuing" I decided not to, after which the installer then tried to completely ZIP UP WIFE 2.01 and hide it away. The installer then also completely wiped all my Favourites, BEER 3.41, FREEDOM 2, PARTY GIRL, Beach Games and many others.

    First of all it is not my religion it is ALLAH`s religion ...I am sorry you have a corrupted program istalled on you. you have to remove it or format this partition ...Our system and programs are like Linux the strongest but can not enjoy you as windows systems.
    But it will be enjoyable after that .
    I just don't know how to respond to that, can anybody help?
    How can you say that????
    I am not fighting here I am trying to convince....that mean that you do not want to open your mind....

    Sorry but i will ignore you from now..I do not want to see any question or comment from you...OK?
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    YOu did not understand me, I needed help from somebody else, that's all!
    I was not directly insulting you, I am sad if you mis-understand me.
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    but linux is troublesome and awkward and nobody supports it cause its too much trouble. Is that what your trying to say :-D
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    My experience with linux is it tends to want to take over the world, it just executes everything, or blows things up, I can't seem to understand it, you can't work with it, it's a law unto itself, anf half of it is cloaked up to a point where it all looks the same!! it's just so bloody frustrating trying to change anything about it, I also found the linux manual was full of nothing but garbage and bore no resemblence to reality whatsoever :wink:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    YOu did not understand me, I needed help from somebody else, that's all!
    I was not directly insulting you, I am sad if you mis-understand me.
    you have to say agree or not agree not to shout "HELP ME GUYS"

    we are not fighting here ..I am sorry but I will ignore you and I do not want to see any comment or question from you.
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    So apart from me who else have you put on your ignore list?
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    So apart from me who else have you put on your ignore list?
    well i know i am
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    prof wrote
    This lead to me to a big search which take me since I was 18 .after 5 years from searching and asking ..I reachrd that Islam is too great and all the earth have to be muslims do you know why???
    Can you tell me the criteria you use to decide which religion is better than the others, for example,

    - number of miracles performed
    - size of miracles performed
    - number of wives allowed
    - level of strictness to the rules, for example, it is OK for a christian to miss attending the church sometime, but it is not OK for muslim to speak lie during the ramadon month.
    - level of punishment imposed
    - compatibility to scientific theory
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    I think you may have missed the last post of the previous page...
    no i got the same comment about a month ago. almost word for word
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    prof wrote
    This lead to me to a big search which take me since I was 18 .after 5 years from searching and asking ..I reachrd that Islam is too great and all the earth have to be muslims do you know why???
    Can you tell me the criteria you use to decide which religion is better than the others, for example,

    - number of miracles performed
    - size of miracles performed
    - number of wives allowed
    - level of strictness to the rules, for example, it is OK for a christian to miss attending the church sometime, but it is not OK for muslim to speak lie during the ramadon month.
    - level of punishment imposed
    - compatibility to scientific theory
    etc.
    Or he may have simply confined his questions to his close relatives, friends, his Immam and the library of the local mosque, which would have spiritualy guided him to the correct choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
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    prof wrote
    This lead to me to a big search which take me since I was 18 .after 5 years from searching and asking ..I reachrd that Islam is too great and all the earth have to be muslims do you know why???
    Can you tell me the criteria you use to decide which religion is better than the others, for example,

    - number of miracles performed
    - size of miracles performed
    - number of wives allowed
    - level of strictness to the rules, for example, it is OK for a christian to miss attending the church sometime, but it is not OK for muslim to speak lie during the ramadon month.
    - level of punishment imposed
    - compatibility to scientific theory
    etc.
    Or he may have simply confined his questions to his close relatives, friends, his Immam and the library of the local mosque, which would have spiritualy guided him to the correct choice.
    you are talking with almost a western man who studied everything about the west and read almost all articles about you.
    I am different from other muslims because I studied the west well.. :-D :-D and I know all the diseases which infected the west who will vanish because his sexual life style..and look the arabs are growing everyday.
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    Prof, I hate to point this out but you seem to be suggesting that all westerners have some sort of depraved sexual life-style and are prone to extinction as a result. I submit these articles at odds with your beliefs.

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=18641

    http://www.ockenden.org.uk/index.asp?id=1106

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05072/470110.stm

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3240938.stm

    It seems many muslin countries simply deny aids is a problem to them in much the same way America and Europe denied it in the eighties. Some African countries known to be riddled with it still have Governments who actually refuse to acknowledge it is a problem. Google "African government denies aids" or something similar.




    From the BBC article:-

    "The Egyptian government faces an enormous dilemma. Promoting safe sex, for example, could be interpreted as encouraging promiscuity in this deeply religious society.

    But international experts have warned that, unless there's a change of attitude, there's a real possibility of an epidemic in Egypt. "
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    Prof, I hate to point this out but you seem to be suggesting that all westerners have some sort of depraved sexual life-style and are prone to extinction as a result. I submit these articles at odds with your beliefs.

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=18641

    http://www.ockenden.org.uk/index.asp?id=1106

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05072/470110.stm

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3240938.stm

    It seems many muslin countries simply deny aids is a problem to them in much the same way America and Europe denied it in the eighties. Some African countries known to be riddled with it still have Governments who actually refuse to acknowledge it is a problem. Google "African government denies aids" or something similar.




    From the BBC article:-

    "The Egyptian government faces an enormous dilemma. Promoting safe sex, for example, could be interpreted as encouraging promiscuity in this deeply religious society.

    But international experts have warned that, unless there's a change of attitude, there's a real possibility of an epidemic in Egypt. "
    I did wrote something on it, but yours is better.
    So: What he said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht
    Born-agains. Born-agains are quite possibly the worst theists you'll ever meet. There is no talking to them, no reasoning, no evidence, no logic, not even a hint of accepting a possibility. Similar to Zelos (just kidding Zelos ), only 60x worse.
    Unlike your average person that would cling for psychological crutch purposes, these people subconsciously hate their life and to change it they receive "the voice of god" in their head. It's similar to a "gay" person that hears god say "today you come back to me". It's a simple subconscious mechanism that probably builds up until the boiling point is hit, and then an obvious escape mechanism is used.
    I am born again. But I am a lot of other things and no doubt the born again people you have talked to would deny that I am born again.

    However, consider http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_again

    I identify the term born again Christian with two aspects of modern Christianity. One is the conversion process of asking Jesus into your life as opposed to baptism or some other rite. The second is the doctrine that there is no way to work your way into God's good graces and so becoming "saved" and a Christian is a matter of simply accepting a gift from God.

    So I would suggest that you have only met born-again Christians of a particularly obnoxious type. There are various other characterstics that contribute, such as Calvinism, fundamentalism, and the evangelical, none of which are applicable to me. I find Calvinism the most alien to a rational point of view and I find it much more difficult to find any reason to appreciate them than either fundamentalism or the evangelical.

    In fact when I think of Calvinism, the fanaticism of Augustine (from whom I believe a lot of the ideas of Calvinism originates) comes to mind and his example suggest that my idea of "returnees" may have missed the mark. It may simply be that in any religion that affirms some existence of evil, someone who converts or returns after doing particularly nasty things can blame what they have done on the "deceptions" of life outside their religion. So it seems to me that some form of psychological repression or projection may be playing a role in their fanaticism.

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    This is why I usually stress the importance of some amount of neutrality when raising a child.
    Yes I have mentioned before that this is the attitude which is most consistent with someone who believes in religious freedom as strongly as I do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    Quote Originally Posted by prasit
    prof wrote
    This lead to me to a big search which take me since I was 18 .after 5 years from searching and asking ..I reachrd that Islam is too great and all the earth have to be muslims do you know why???
    Can you tell me the criteria you use to decide which religion is better than the others, for example,

    - number of miracles performed
    - size of miracles performed
    - number of wives allowed
    - level of strictness to the rules, for example, it is OK for a christian to miss attending the church sometime, but it is not OK for muslim to speak lie during the ramadon month.
    - level of punishment imposed
    - compatibility to scientific theory
    etc.
    Or he may have simply confined his questions to his close relatives, friends, his Immam and the library of the local mosque, which would have spiritualy guided him to the correct choice.
    you are talking with almost a western man who studied everything about the west and read almost all articles about you.
    I am different from other muslims because I studied the west well.. :-D :-D and I know all the diseases which infected the west who will vanish because his sexual life style..and look the arabs are growing everyday.

    prof, im assuming your talking about hiv/aids. there was a topic on here about it. one quarter of western europeans have(by research into it)the potential to not be able to get aids because of a gene mutation(because of the survival from the plague)

    so if aids swept across the planet and everyone got infected(or subjected to it)then the only people left would be one quarter of western europe(and desacendants in canada, US,australia etc)

    there are no known cases of arab or afro carribeans having the gene mutation

    Another point is your assuming all westerners have the same life style, Some westerns are gay, some have unprotected sex, some dont, some wait until marriage, some dont etc. you seem to stereotype the west into one type of person

    you say youve studied the west, can i ask how, was it american pie and carry on movies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht
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    Prof, I hate to point this out but you seem to be suggesting that all westerners have some sort of depraved sexual life-style and are prone to extinction as a result. I submit these articles at odds with your beliefs.

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=18641

    http://www.ockenden.org.uk/index.asp?id=1106

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05072/470110.stm

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3240938.stm

    It seems many muslin countries simply deny aids is a problem to them in much the same way America and Europe denied it in the eighties. Some African countries known to be riddled with it still have Governments who actually refuse to acknowledge it is a problem. Google "African government denies aids" or something similar.




    From the BBC article:-

    "The Egyptian government faces an enormous dilemma. Promoting safe sex, for example, could be interpreted as encouraging promiscuity in this deeply religious society.

    But international experts have warned that, unless there's a change of attitude, there's a real possibility of an epidemic in Egypt. "
    I did wrote something on it, but yours is better.
    So: What he said.
    I did not mean AIDS thanks that another good point..
    I was talking about the decline of Birth Rate can you deny this? :-D :-D
    about the diseaeses I meant moral diseases. :-D :-D :-D
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    and I know all the diseases which infected the west who will vanish because his sexual life style..
    - NO you were talking about diseases, as I quote from you here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht
    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    Prof, I hate to point this out but you seem to be suggesting that all westerners have some sort of depraved sexual life-style and are prone to extinction as a result. I submit these articles at odds with your beliefs.

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=18641

    http://www.ockenden.org.uk/index.asp?id=1106

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05072/470110.stm

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3240938.stm

    It seems many muslin countries simply deny aids is a problem to them in much the same way America and Europe denied it in the eighties. Some African countries known to be riddled with it still have Governments who actually refuse to acknowledge it is a problem. Google "African government denies aids" or something similar.




    From the BBC article:-

    "The Egyptian government faces an enormous dilemma. Promoting safe sex, for example, could be interpreted as encouraging promiscuity in this deeply religious society.

    But international experts have warned that, unless there's a change of attitude, there's a real possibility of an epidemic in Egypt. "
    I did wrote something on it, but yours is better.
    So: What he said.
    I did not mean AIDS thanks that another good point..
    I was talking about the decline of Birth Rate can you deny this? :-D :-D
    about the diseaeses I meant moral diseases. :-D :-D :-D
    There is an increase in infertility if that what you mean

    The reason for this is that more women are having children later(because of careers) and after 30 a womans fertility drops

    That has nothing to do with moral disease. Can you tell us what moral disease is causing this?

    Also what are your views on the population crashes that will happen soon in some middle eastern countries, eg from the massive amount of young men that never make it to fatherhood?

    Or are you not speaking to me?
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    Prof, I hate to point this out but you seem to be suggesting that all westerners have some sort of depraved sexual life-style and are prone to extinction as a result. I submit these articles at odds with your beliefs.

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=18641

    http://www.ockenden.org.uk/index.asp?id=1106

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05072/470110.stm

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3240938.stm

    It seems many muslin countries simply deny aids is a problem to them in much the same way America and Europe denied it in the eighties. Some African countries known to be riddled with it still have Governments who actually refuse to acknowledge it is a problem. Google "African government denies aids" or something similar.




    From the BBC article:-

    "The Egyptian government faces an enormous dilemma. Promoting safe sex, for example, could be interpreted as encouraging promiscuity in this deeply religious society.

    But international experts have warned that, unless there's a change of attitude, there's a real possibility of an epidemic in Egypt. "
    I did wrote something on it, but yours is better.
    So: What he said.
    I did not mean AIDS thanks that another good point..
    I was talking about the decline of Birth Rate can you deny this? :-D :-D
    about the diseaeses I meant moral diseases. :-D :-D :-D
    There is an increase in infertility if that what you mean

    The reason for this is that more women are having children later(because of careers) and after 30 a womans fertility drops

    That has nothing to do with moral disease. Can you tell us what moral disease is causing this?

    Or are you not speaking to me?
    And if you have blocked 'CC' above is what you are missing. :wink:
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    . Can you tell us what disease is causing this?
    Some ignorers prefer to have a girl friend all his life than marriage.
    Some ignorers try to be a gay or lesbian.
    people try to amuse themselves in the west not to build a family :-D

    So because of this 2 reasons the west will vanish maybe he will try clonning :-D :-D for his reproduction :-D :-D
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    Prof, could you tell me what you mean by 'ignorers', do you mean people who do not share your islamic religion, it really would help us to understand you a bit bettre,

    Thanks, Megabrain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    Prof, could you tell me what you mean by 'ignorers', do you mean people who do not share your islamic religion, it really would help us to understand you a bit bettre,

    Thanks, Megabrain.
    forget it man I said it because I was some nervous.I am okay now
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    So by ignorers you actually mean ignorant people then. That makes me unhappy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    . Can you tell us what disease is causing this?
    Some ignorers prefer to have a girl friend all his life than marriage.
    Some ignorers try to be a gay or lesbian.
    people try to amuse themselves in the west not to build a family :-D

    So because of this 2 reasons the west will vanish maybe he will try clonning :-D :-D for his reproduction :-D :-D

    few things to pick up on here

    firstly without marriage you can still have kids and many do

    you cant try to be gay, you either are or are not, this applies at the same percentage in arab countries too

    Am i right in saying that in the koran(52:24, 56:17. 76:19), if you do not have sex with men on earth you will be given young men and boys to sodomise in heaven, i think they are called "Ghilman" can you enlighten me on this matter?

    the west likes to give the best for their familys and dont have more children than they can afford to keep, in some african countries they have more children because there is less chance of them making it to adult hood
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    I'd not heard of this before so I went looking to find me an article by a learned islamic scholar. Make your own mind up..

    http://www.derafsh-kaviyani.com/engl...fterdeath.html

    " it is not difficult to understand that a virile man shall live and die for Islam, which promises the choicest sex-after-death in the form of paradise, dwelt in by the most beautiful damsels and the prettiest boys."

    And here's part of the description of the 'virgins in space'

    "2. She is of white colour, and free from the routine physical disabilities of an ordinary woman such as menstruation, menopause, urinal and offal discharge, child-bearing, and the related pollution."

    (I'll bet she still has to clean up after him though! - and it say's nothing about him not farting, belching, etc etc )

    I think that what is happening is the Muslims are being fooled into thinking that homosexuality is bad on earth but free and to be enjoyed in heaven. This may have been to keep down the rate on earth, force them to mate with females and thus increase the stock. Clearly by the time they die it's too late - nothing...

    So if there is a muslim heaven they are all invited to become that which they most despised and reviled on earth!

    So for any of you girls out there it looks like after Islam has bagged you up for a lifetime of beatings and disfigured you, there's no place in heaven anless you are one of the 'prettiest' damsels, then to be shagged possibly by some great hairy assed guy. Don't call your little brother to save you else you'll make him suffer the same fate. Sounds like paedophile heaven, think I'll stick to feeding the worms when I go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by captaincaveman
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    . Can you tell us what disease is causing this?
    Some ignorers prefer to have a girl friend all his life than marriage.
    Some ignorers try to be a gay or lesbian.
    people try to amuse themselves in the west not to build a family :-D

    So because of this 2 reasons the west will vanish maybe he will try clonning :-D :-D for his reproduction :-D :-D

    few things to pick up on here

    firstly without marriage you can still have kids and many do

    you cant try to be gay, you either are or are not, this applies at the same percentage in arab countries too

    Am i right in saying that in the koran(52:24, 56:17. 76:19), if you do not have sex with men on earth you will be given young men and boys to sodomise in heaven, i think they are called "Ghilman" can you enlighten me on this matter?

    the west likes to give the best for their familys and dont have more children than they can afford to keep, in some african countries they have more children because there is less chance of them making it to adult hood
    In sociology specialists say that the children who live with thier families have a good psychology and good health not to live in a shelter.

    You are wrong about all what you said..but this shows that some mischief maker trying to stir hatred for the muslim community maybe you are one of them as our fellow william told us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
    You are wrong about all what you said..but this shows that some mischief maker trying to stir hatred for the muslim community maybe you are one of them as our fellow william told us.
    For the record, I never stated that CC-Man was a mischief maker. Actually prof, I thought you might be....

    But I take that back now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by profahmfaw
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    . Can you tell us what disease is causing this?
    Some ignorers prefer to have a girl friend all his life than marriage.
    Some ignorers try to be a gay or lesbian.
    people try to amuse themselves in the west not to build a family :-D

    So because of this 2 reasons the west will vanish maybe he will try clonning :-D :-D for his reproduction :-D :-D

    few things to pick up on here

    firstly without marriage you can still have kids and many do

    you cant try to be gay, you either are or are not, this applies at the same percentage in arab countries too

    Am i right in saying that in the koran(52:24, 56:17. 76:19), if you do not have sex with men on earth you will be given young men and boys to sodomise in heaven, i think they are called "Ghilman" can you enlighten me on this matter?

    the west likes to give the best for their familys and dont have more children than they can afford to keep, in some african countries they have more children because there is less chance of them making it to adult hood
    In sociology specialists say that the children who live with thier families have a good psychology and good health not to live in a shelter.

    You are wrong about all what you said..but this shows that some mischief maker trying to stir hatred for the muslim community maybe you are one of them as our fellow william told us.

    i was asking a genuine question, islam is not accepting of homosexuality and i thought this was conflicting.

    Can i ask who Ghilman are in heaven and what purpose they serve, thats a genuine question

    the koran states "These are those who are brought nigh, in gardens of delight ... upon bejewelled couches, reclining upon them, facing one another. Upon them wait immortal youths [the ghilman]... "

    and from wiki and other web sites it states " it was evidently al-Amin who, following the Persian precedent, established in the Arabic world the Ghilman institution for the practice of unnatural sexual relations"

    why is that stirring up hatred or are there parts of the koran and the muslim world that we are not allowed to ask questions about?
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    Watch your back there caveman..... :wink:

    Looks like nothing and no-one is safe 'up there' (no pun intended).
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    I did not mean AIDS thanks that another good point..
    I was talking about the decline of Birth Rate can you deny this? :-D :-D
    about the diseaeses I meant moral diseases. :-D :-D :-D
    Then explain why birth rates are on the rise? And what "moral diseases"?
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    Born-agains. Born-agains are quite possibly the worst theists you'll ever meet. There is no talking to them, no reasoning, no evidence, no logic, not even a hint of accepting a possibility. Similar to Zelos (just kidding Zelos ), only 60x worse.
    Unlike your average person that would cling for psychological crutch purposes, these people subconsciously hate their life and to change it they receive "the voice of god" in their head. It's similar to a "gay" person that hears god say "today you come back to me". It's a simple subconscious mechanism that probably builds up until the boiling point is hit, and then an obvious escape mechanism is used.
    I am born again. But I am a lot of other things and no doubt the born again people you have talked to would deny that I am born again.

    However, consider http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_again

    I identify the term born again Christian with two aspects of modern Christianity. One is the conversion process of asking Jesus into your life as opposed to baptism or some other rite. The second is the doctrine that there is no way to work your way into God's good graces and so becoming "saved" and a Christian is a matter of simply accepting a gift from God.

    So I would suggest that you have only met born-again Christians of a particularly obnoxious type. There are various other characterstics that contribute, such as Calvinism, fundamentalism, and the evangelical, none of which are applicable to me. I find Calvinism the most alien to a rational point of view and I find it much more difficult to find any reason to appreciate them than either fundamentalism or the evangelical.

    In fact when I think of Calvinism, the fanaticism of Augustine (from whom I believe a lot of the ideas of Calvinism originates) comes to mind and his example suggest that my idea of "returnees" may have missed the mark. It may simply be that in any religion that affirms some existence of evil, someone who converts or returns after doing particularly nasty things can blame what they have done on the "deceptions" of life outside their religion. So it seems to me that some form of psychological repression or projection may be playing a role in their fanaticism.
    Or is it transference? Maybe it is all three. You know repressing ones guilt by transfering it or transforming it to this hatred of everything outside your religion as a projection of yourself to hate so that you don't have to hate yourself for what you did? Or something like that?
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