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    A Field Guide to Critical Thinking

    I have noticed time and again that some members on this site and others, having no idea what evidence is, arguing over the burden of proof, not realizing why extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary proof, and make fallacy after fallacy, etc…

    This linked article below is a "MUST READ" for either those embarking on a journey of discovery and development, and for those who may be confused, and for those who don’t use there heads at all.

    It will also act as a refresher for those who use there critical thinking skills regularly.
    And to those of you who do, I wholly thank you, one and all.

    Here are a couple of excerpts:

    The six rules of evidential reasoning are my own distillation and simplification of the scientific method. To make it easier for students to remember these half-dozen guidelines, I've coined an acronym for them: Ignoring the vowels, the letters in the word ”FiLCHeRS” stand for the rules of Falsifiability, Logic, Comprehensiveness, Honesty, Replicability, and Sufficiency. Apply these six rules to the evidence offered for any claim, I tell my students, and no one will ever be able to sneak up on you and steal your belief. You'll be filch-proof.

    The evidence offered in support of any claim must be adequate to establish the truth of that claim, with these stipulations:
    - The burden of proof for any claim rests on the claimant
    - Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence
    - Evidence based upon authority and/or testimony is always inadequate for any paranormal claim

    A Field Guide to Critical Thinking - CSI

    It is about time now, for humanity to be capable of filching! And to learn how to be filch proof!


    A logician saves the life of a tiny space alien. The alien is very grateful and, since she's omniscient, offers the following reward: she offers to answer any question the logician might pose. Without too much thought (after all, he's a logician), he asks: "What is the best question to ask and what is the correct answer to that question?" The tiny alien pauses. Finally she replies, "The best question is the one you just asked; and the correct answer is the one I gave."
     

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    Great stuff.
    I won't be so "nice" as to say, "Some Members."

    Harold1437013313.14159; John Galt, Read That.

    I swear, sometimes you guys come across as closeted evangelicals.


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    Oh, great. Another troll thread in Scientific Study of Religion.
     

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    Well it depends on the defintion of trolling. We are all guilty over over-emphasizing our tone sometimes, not sure if that is classed as trolling or not.

    Thanks for the info might put it into practice a while and see if it works out! But perhaps this could be put in general discussion? Not sure there is anything to discuss religiously here, just saying.
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    Maybe the OP should be a sticky in the "New Hypotheses and Ideas" and "Pseudoscience" forums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    Oh, great. Another troll thread in Scientific Study of Religion.
    Whatever.
    Your denial and delusional attitude is disgusting. What you need to do is quit your job here and go apply as Mod or Admin at Sciforums. You would fit right in with that crowd.

    It's not trolling, not by any definition of the word; It's education. Something which you are in desperate need of.
    This statement alone demonstrates that you have no business administrating a science forum. Your understanding of Critical thinking is lacking, your understanding of science is intermittent and poor, your personal attitudes are appalling and your demonstrations of the scientific method are a farce.

    The only thing going in your favor is that you appear to not abuse your power. But I think you need to step down as Administrator and open the space up for an actual scientifically minded person, if a true scientist is unavailable (Although, in a pinch, I'd recommend Markus Hanke.)
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    Maybe the OP should be a sticky in the "New Hypotheses and Ideas" and "Pseudoscience" forums.
    Here, here. Maybe Harold can make that happen.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Maybe the OP should be a sticky in the "New Hypotheses and Ideas" and "Pseudoscience" forums.
    This would be a good idea. Had it been a Pseudoscience or a New Hypotheses/new idea, but it is neither. But as a teaching aid for said forums then fine.

    As it is an aid to study, I.E. it is way of identifying what is or what isn't Pseudoscience, and what is demonstrable and what isn't.

    So if the powers that be wish to make it a sticky then it should be in this forum and or Education. As it is fundamental to the process of science.

    When a person makes a claim, science checks to see if it is filch proof, If it isn't filch proof it is Pseudoscience.
    A logician saves the life of a tiny space alien. The alien is very grateful and, since she's omniscient, offers the following reward: she offers to answer any question the logician might pose. Without too much thought (after all, he's a logician), he asks: "What is the best question to ask and what is the correct answer to that question?" The tiny alien pauses. Finally she replies, "The best question is the one you just asked; and the correct answer is the one I gave."
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by pavlos View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Maybe the OP should be a sticky in the "New Hypotheses and Ideas" and "Pseudoscience" forums.
    This would be a good idea. Had it been a Pseudoscience or a New Hypotheses/new idea, but it is neither. But as a teaching aid for said forums then fine.
    That is exactly what I meant; I certainly didn't mean to imply it deserved to be in those forums !

    When a person makes a claim, science checks to see if it is filch proof, If it isn't filch proof it is Pseudoscience.
    Exactly my point.
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    I can't speak for everyone, but I'm getting a little tired of some members carrying their high school drama from one thread to another.

    Stop seeking conflict and grow up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    I can't speak for everyone, but I'm getting a little tired of some members carrying their high school drama from one thread to another.

    Stop seeking conflict and grow up.
    Don't be afraid... who are the "Some Members?"

    Seeking Conflict? Nonsense. Your post could be accused of 'seeking conflict' very easily. If others need to "grow up," then must you as well for carrying this post over, seeking conflict and demanding others behave in a specific manner you have in mind that you're claiming as age dependent?

    You really did not think this post through, at all, did you?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    I can't speak for everyone, but I'm getting a little tired of some members carrying their high school drama from one thread to another.

    Stop seeking conflict and grow up.
    Don't be afraid... who are the "Some Members?"

    Seeking Conflict? Nonsense. Your post could be accused of 'seeking conflict' very easily. If others need to "grow up," then must you as well for carrying this post over, seeking conflict and demanding others behave in a specific manner you have in mind that you're claiming as age dependent?

    You really did not think this post through, at all, did you?
    Thank you for a flawlessly executed example of what I was talking about in my post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    Thank you for a flawlessly executed example of what I was talking about in my post.
    Ah but the true hilarity is in that you're doing exactly what you're complaining about. Not to mention, Harold was utterly, totally out of line for his immediate commentary - yet you actually direct your commentary at those such as myself- which is why you're avoiding naming names.

    I notice you ignored the points I made demonstrating that you're engaging in the same. You are complaining just as loudly and are just as off topic.
    You could have reported the posts. You could have PM'ed those whose posts you find questionable and politely stated your case. Or done so rudely, if you prefer.- or you could do like me- Confront it head on.
    I see you chose my style.
    I'm flattered.

    If you're not flattered, I suggest you find another method than making yourself the kettle.
     

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    I would tend to agree with Neverfly but then I would be doing the same as starting conflict also. Maybe we should stick to the OP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Not to mention, Harold was utterly, totally out of line for his immediate commentary - yet you actually direct your commentary at those such as myself- which is why you're avoiding naming names.
    My prediction has panned out perfectly. It turned into a troll thread, largely by your efforts.
     

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    Another accusation and ad hominem, are you not adding to the possibility that the thread will continue to derail by saying that Harold? I know perhaps I am by saying this but can we please get some meaning out of this thread and be tactful instead of confrontational? Come on this is a science forum, not a playground. You should know better being a moderator and administrator yourself too, you have a responsibility to act maturely, not grab and run along with what you are criticizing. I am trying not to do the same myself, so let's get back on track and not let another thread derail please.

    The thread didn't class me as trolling at all. It is a very insightful article and useful in discussion, perfecly relevant in where religious discussion comes into being. Perhaps it is in the right section after all, it might serve as a good sticky for this sub-forum too for guidelines when discussing religion seeing as this sub-forum is the 'scientific study of religion' not the 'philosophical consideration of irrational claims based on semantic arguments'.
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    Post #14 reported. It's not a mod's job to exacerbate argument, which so far has been your sole contribution to this thread.
    Shut up or stand down as mod. Preferbaly both.
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    Thread closed.
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