Thread: Has the pope put his foot in it?

Apparently the Bizantine emporer in the 14th Century said Muslims were barbaric because their qu'ran advocated violence. The Pope apparently made a reference to this, to which muslims have taken offence. Muslims have threatened the pope with violence in an effort to teach him that their religion is peaceful.

And now you want to know what? If it’s the pope’s fault that we have some problems now?

bit of bad timing maybe, but honest. but muslims need to not be so sensitive about these thing, there will be a fatwa on the way me thinks

Originally Posted by captaincaveman

bit of bad timing maybe, but honest. but muslims need to not be so sensitive about these thing, there will be a fatwa on the way me thinks

You need to add the allness bit to the bottom of your post to indicate acceptance to our new religion which demands you give worship to the sun every year....

P.s It's a religion where you can only be stoned if you drink too much.

The art of diplomacy includes not making truthful observations in an insensitive way.

The Pope's remarks have inflamed the global situation. It is predictable that they would do so. It was therefore irresponsible of him to make them in the way he made them.

Originally Posted by Ophiolite

The art of diplomacy includes not making truthful observations in an insensitive way.

The Pope's remarks have inflamed the global situation. It is predictable that they would do so. It was therefore irresponsible of him to make them in the way he made them.

Do you mean one should speak like this;

I'd force all religions to fuse into a tight nucleus and form a strong bond.
Give them the opportunity to spend some time together - lots of time.

True muslims shouldnt take offense because his statement was made to admonish those who use the islamic faith as a front for their violence.

The only thing I'm suprised about, is that the pope said it out loud. What he sees and hears from the television, newspaper, and other sources cloud his judgment on the truth. He sees the (supposidly) bad acts committed by muslims, while in the environment he's in does not allow the enormous wrong-doings his 'people' are carrying out, to be seen. Nor could he understand the scale of western terrorist activity if it was shown to him.

Bullsh*t to his pathetic appologies, those are his opinions on Islam, they wouldn't change for many reasons. Camoflauged propaganda being one of them, as well as his fear of the faith growing too large (Islam is the fastest growing religion - there is a good reason). He shouldn't have given such a bold unnecessary statement in such a high position, where his understanding of the world is covered up for him...by the west.

OK, jagoman, list out a few of these wrong-doings which are being carried out in the name of Christianity. Also what terrorist activities are being carried out by Western countries.

Oh, maybe the Pope's quote is a form of terrorism.

Put up or shut up.

I'm an atheist but geez, I feel sorry for the Pope. He practically quoted from Islams history and now they went Jihad on him. What a scary world this is getting to be.

Bee

islam is the fastest growing religion? based on what study?, And if thats true its still not growing as fast as athiests and they are accepted no matter what religion they give up on "come one, come all my athiest brothers"


This is so funny, islam is supposed to be a peaceful and tolerant religion(or so we are told), but at every slight thing it turns to violence. This backs up my belief that moderate islam doesnt exist and if it does it has the minority share.

look at what happened, the pope made mention(sorry quoted old text) of islam bringing nothing but bad(cant remember exact wording)and the islamic world turns round threatening death, burning churches and shooting a nun in the back, therefore backing up his original statement, how stupid is that

In this day and age i cant think of a less peaceful or less tolerant religion

And the one thing i never understand is that every attack on the west by extremists means the death of ten times as many muslims in return due to retaliation, so therefore they are killing their own people

there are more muslims dying everyday in the world than any other religion, and a good percentage is religion based. darfur, afghanistan, and iraq all have muslims killing muslims and if they are fighting the west and each other i cant see it growing very fast or for very long

Originally Posted by jagoman

The only thing I'm suprised about, is that the pope said it out loud. What he sees and hears from the television, newspaper, and other sources cloud his judgment on the truth. He sees the (supposidly) bad acts committed by muslims, while in the environment he's in does not allow the enormous wrong-doings his 'people' are carrying out, to be seen. Nor could he understand the scale of western terrorist activity if it was shown to him.

I guess Muslims are immune from that....

Originally Posted by jagoman

Bullsh*t to his pathetic appologies, those are his opinions on Islam, they wouldn't change for many reasons. Camoflauged propaganda being one of them, as well as his fear of the faith growing too large (Islam is the fastest growing religion - there is a good reason). He shouldn't have given such a bold unnecessary statement in such a high position, where his understanding of the world is covered up for him...by the west.

Is that because it is more an explosive religion ?



If I had started this reply with the words "Listen 5h1thead" I quite rightly would have been reprimanded, so I'll start with something else..

Many in the west DO NOT support our governments when it comes to war or retribution. Civilians from western countries do not go around blowing themselves up. If [radical] muslims continue to keep trying to blow us all up there will come a time when we all say "phuck this for a game of soldiers" and give carte blanche for our government(s) to protect us once and for all. If you think this is the norm for us just remember that we lived alongside communism for around 70 years - we threw insults but did not undertake large militia style attacks that bastard suicide bombers do.

I'd like to know why when anyone points to Islam and say's it's a violent religion you all jump up and down and say things like "Islam is peaceful, tolerant and all merciful, death to those who say it is not"

The only thing I'm suprised about, is that the pope said it out loud

Why are you surprised by this? In this world it is normal to criticize each other, and Muslims are part of this world, aren’t they? It seems as if the Islam is one of the few religions that can’t have any critics.

Originally Posted by billco

Originally Posted by jagoman

The only thing I'm suprised about, is that the pope said it out loud. What he sees and hears from the television, newspaper, and other sources cloud his judgment on the truth. He sees the (supposidly) bad acts committed by muslims, while in the environment he's in does not allow the enormous wrong-doings his 'people' are carrying out, to be seen. Nor could he understand the scale of western terrorist activity if it was shown to him.

I guess Muslims are immune from that....

Originally Posted by jagoman

Bullsh*t to his pathetic appologies, those are his opinions on Islam, they wouldn't change for many reasons. Camoflauged propaganda being one of them, as well as his fear of the faith growing too large (Islam is the fastest growing religion - there is a good reason). He shouldn't have given such a bold unnecessary statement in such a high position, where his understanding of the world is covered up for him...by the west.

Is that because it is more an explosive religion ?



If I had started this reply with the words "Listen 5h1thead" I quite rightly would have been reprimanded, so I'll start with something else..

Many in the west DO NOT support our governments when it comes to war or retribution. Civilians from western countries do not go around blowing themselves up. If [radical] muslims continue to keep trying to blow us all up there will come a time when we all say "phuck this for a game of soldiers" and give carte blanche for our government(s) to protect us once and for all. If you think this is the norm for us just remember that we lived alongside communism for around 70 years - we threw insults but did not undertake large militia style attacks that bastard suicide bombers do.

I'd like to know why when anyone points to Islam and say's it's a violent religion you all jump up and down and say things like "Islam is peaceful, tolerant and all merciful, death to those who say it is not"

luckily in the west we are pretty laid back and passive to a point, but like you said at some point the west are going to say F**K this and start kicking. Im honestly suprised we havent already


jagoman, can i ask you a couple of questions? how do you feel about martyrdom and jihads?

the reason i ask is because you made this comment

He sees the (supposidly) bad acts committed by muslims

its the use of the word "supposidly" that i dont get, thats why im asking the questions, are you saying the suicide bombings and terrorist attacks are propaganda and never happened or you dont believe they are not bad?

could you clear this up?