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  1. #1 Physical Immortality or Spiritual Immortality - why do we have to choose? 
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    With stem cell research, it appears you have to make a choice:

    1) - Engage in stem cell research and be damned for all eternity in Hell. - but also - Gradually move closer to technological immortality.

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    2) - Don't engage in stem cell research and remain susceptible to the ravages of age - but also - Maybe go to heaven (if you're good otherwise.)



    There appears to be no way to have both. If you experiment on human stem cells you're killing a fetus (or pre-fetus , but maybe it still has a soul?) If we don't use stem cells, it's unlikely we'll ever unlock the secrets of gene therapy. However, if we did unlock it, it's likely that gene therapy will one day allow us to grow fresh organs to replace our natural ones as they fail, new skin to replace old wrinkly skin, and someday maybe even whole new bodies. There could come a day when nobody has to die of old age (except the poor - which is another problem altogether.)

    I somehow suspect that most of the hardliners are going to oppose the research until it happens in a third world country somewhere, and then welcome the results of the research with open arms after it has become successful, gladly allowing themselves to be helped by the same tech they fought tooth and nail to prevent from being discovered.


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    Do you understand that there is a difference between fetal stem cell research and adult stem cell research?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    Do you understand that there is a difference between fetal stem cell research and adult stem cell research?
    Yes, but nothing more research would not rectify.
    Embryonic stem cells can become any cell, whereas adults stem cells are limited.
    Embryonic stem cells can be grown in culture, whereas adult stem cells are rarer, and harder to cultivate.
    We know that adult stems cells are unlikely to be rejected, whereas embryonic stem cells may be.

    So we are not there yet, as to what is best, this is because the research is constantly being interrupted due liberal small mindedness and religious BS.
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    Fetal stem cells are younger. I would think you'd end up having to grow the organs from them if you want a young result.

    On the other hand, age seems to be caused largely by a part of DNA called the "telomer" deteriorating, and Stem Cells don't appear to suffer as much deterioration in this respect as other cells do. So *maybe* adult stem cell research would work too? I'm not sure.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telomer...f_telomeres.29
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    Quote Originally Posted by pavlos View Post
    So we are not there yet, as to what is best, this is because the research is constantly being interrupted due liberal small mindedness and religious BS.
    There is also the issue of ethics. Let's assume we get to a point in medical technology where we could actually clone a complete viable replica of our own bodies, does this being have any rights as separate sentient or is it just genetic property of the original? This is one of the themes of the movie The Island (2005) tried to addressed.

    At what point does genetic material becomes sentient human? I think this question with other factors such as viability and legal ramifications should be addressed prior to further research.

    Here in the USA there isn't public consensus on what a sentient human is during natural conception, and other means of inducing pregnancy are in-dispute within varying faiths. Even people that are secular have varying opinions based on their own personal ethics. This issue is more complex than Science vs Christianity.
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    I love all this talk of immortality.

    We're all immortal. Matter cannot be destroyed, the elements of which we're composed have been around since the big bang in some form. The lighter elements initially present were forged into heavier elements in the hearts of stars and, after 14.2 billion years, they came together in a specific configuration which created you. After you die, those same element will create someone else, or a plant, or animal. In a few billion years when the Sun gives out, you may even be scattered to distant worlds. You will live on not only eternally, but in countless different forms. How could heaven be better than that?
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