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    I am a christian but i know how planets are formed and all i belive in God but i do know that Earth was made in the Big Bang so is there any trith about God making the Earth and all?


     

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    Hi, everything below in the latest Abrahamic reference has been confirmed by the scientific community:

    Then He turned to the heaven when it was smoke...
    (Quran, 41:11)

    Because the earth and the heavens above (the sun, the moon, stars, planets, galaxies, etc.) have been formed from this same ‘smoke,’ we conclude that the earth and the heavens were one connected entity. Then out of this homogeneous ‘smoke,’ they formed and separated from each other. God has said in the Quran:
    Have not those who disbelieved known that the heavens and the earth were one connected entity, then We separated them?... (Quran, 21:30)

    (Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the Worlds. And He placed on it firmly set mountains over its surface, and He blessed it and determined therein its sustenance in four days without distinction - for those who ask. And He completed them as seven heavens within two days and inspired in each heaven its command. And We adorned the nearest heaven with lights and as protection: such is the ordaining of the Almighty, the All-Knowing) (41:9-12)

    (Then He (rose over) the heavens while it was something like smoke, and said to it and to the earth: 'Come both of you willingly or unwillingly.' They said, 'We come willingly.) (41:11)




     

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    Believe in God if you want but there is no scientific evidence. The Quranic verses quoted by Dub prove exactly nothing. As a matter of fact, some of the assertions are disproved by science. Mountains are not "set over" the surface of the earth. They rise up from beneath the surface. There is no scientific evidence for seven heavens being created in two days. The universe is not made of smoke.
     

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    He says something similar to the mountains being like pegs on a carpet or such
    And Him sewing the universe up into a ball and releasing it.
    And the Heavens are invisible to us Humans.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mateja78 View Post
    I am a christian but i know how planets are formed and all i belive in God but i do know that Earth was made in the Big Bang so is there any trith about God making the Earth and all?
    Your English isn't that good sadly, So I've written this in Slovak too. The universe was formed from (what we call ) a big bang, the earth formed much later, a god/prime mover (The deist god) could have had a hand in the formation of the universe. There is no way of knowing, but the god of the bible is however absolutely impossible.

    Nie vaša angličtina je dobré, že Bohužiaľ, tak som napísal to v Slovenskej príliš. Vesmír vznikla z (to, čo nazývame) veľký tresku, sformovaním Zeme oveľa neskôr, Boh/v hnací (Boh deista) by mal ruku pri tvorbe vesmíru. Neexistuje spôsob, ako vedel, ale Boh Biblia je však absolútne nemožné.



    ok pavlos.
    A logician saves the life of a tiny space alien. The alien is very grateful and, since she's omniscient, offers the following reward: she offers to answer any question the logician might pose. Without too much thought (after all, he's a logician), he asks: "What is the best question to ask and what is the correct answer to that question?" The tiny alien pauses. Finally she replies, "The best question is the one you just asked; and the correct answer is the one I gave."
     

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    and we all know the universe is not made of smoke, but He's saying that it WAS made of smoke. here are more quotes that should clear up His statement.

    Whatever it is, it wasn’t until centuries later when sophisticated theories like the Big Bang Theory emerged that we discovered that the universe was made up of hot gaseous smoke.

    1. “And He [it is who] applied His design to the skies, which were [yet but] smoke” Noble Quran 41:11 (Asad)
    2. Then He turned towards the sky, which was but smoke” Noble Quran 41:11 (Malik”
    3. “Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke” Noble Quran 41:11 (Pickthall)
    4. “Moreover He Comprehended in His design the sky and it had been (as) smoke” Noble Quran 41:11 (Yusuf Ali)
    5. “Then He Istawâ (rose over) towards the heaven when it was smoke” Noble Quran 41:11 (Mohsin Kahn)
    It is clear that these verses talk about a thing of the past.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by dub View Post
    Whatever it is, it wasn’t until centuries later when sophisticated theories like the Big Bang Theory emerged that we discovered that the universe was made up of hot gaseous smoke.
    Wrong! Oh so wrong.
    To be made up of smoke it could only exist if their were organics and carbons. The universe was created from hydrogen and helium, no matter existed at all.

    Dub I'd give up, you're making yourself look stupid.
    A logician saves the life of a tiny space alien. The alien is very grateful and, since she's omniscient, offers the following reward: she offers to answer any question the logician might pose. Without too much thought (after all, he's a logician), he asks: "What is the best question to ask and what is the correct answer to that question?" The tiny alien pauses. Finally she replies, "The best question is the one you just asked; and the correct answer is the one I gave."
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by dub View Post
    Hi, everything below in the latest Abrahamic reference has been confirmed by the scientific community:


    Aside from the obvious, cherry-picked nature of the quotes and the unsupported assertions that they are scientific hypotheses, you are misrepresenting the qu'ran.

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    Then He turned to the heaven when it was smoke... (Quran, 41:11)
    Because the earth and the heavens above (the sun, the moon, stars, planets, galaxies, etc.) have been formed from this same ‘smoke,’ we conclude that the earth and the heavens were one connected entity. Then out of this homogeneous ‘smoke,’ they formed and separated from each other.
    The full quote is:

    "Moreover, He Comprehended In His design the sky, And it had been (as) smoke: He said to it And to the earth: ‘Come ye together, Willingly or unwillingly.’ They said: ‘We do come (Together), in willing obedience"

    The sky is referred to as being 'as smoke'; the Earth is represented as already being in existence at this point. Nothing about this account is correlatable with the accretionary model.

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    Have not those who disbelieved known that the heavens and the earth were one connected entity, then We separated them?... (Quran, 21:30)
    This is reminiscent of "God separated out the heavens and the Earth" from Genesis 1 in the bible. It stems from a Middle-Eastern Pagan belief that the pantheon of gods was 'separated out' from a single matriarchal and patriarchal pair, and the 'birth' of each new god led to the formation of some natural phenomenon.

    This isn't science, it's recycled creation myths.
    "The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair." ~ Douglas Adams
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by pavlos View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dub View Post
    Whatever it is, it wasn’t until centuries later when sophisticated theories like the Big Bang Theory emerged that we discovered that the universe was made up of hot gaseous smoke.
    Wrong! Oh so wrong.
    To be made up of smoke it could only exist if their were organics and carbons. The universe was created from hydrogen and helium, no matter existed at all.

    Dub I'd give up, you're making yourself look stupid.
    You should have more respect for other people Pavlos. I'm here not to convert people but to understand the statement, but for some reason you seem to be offended by a simple posting.
    Anyway, last I remember from the periodic table of the elements, that helium and hydrogen were gases, and isn't an in compressible fluid have the same attributes of smoke? And please resist the urge to back bite twice pavlov. Thank you
     

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    Thanks drowsy, I'll make sure I sift into more accurate info pertaining to this thread, like I said above, I thought He said something about gathering everything into a tiny knot and bursting it out into their ordained positions.
     

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    No science in this thread. Closed.

    Dub, you're close to preaching which isn't allowed--if that wasn't your intent than you need to provide more context.
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