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  1. #1 God: Male or Female? 
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    This question can be considered somewhat controversial and the source of hot debate amongst men and women of pious and semi-pious nature. I find it somewhat humorous though. Let me show you my logic: What is the defining factor or a male or female? Some would say their genetalia. after all if your a feminine person with male genetalia, your a male and likewise for a masculine female with female genetalia. So if God was a man or woman They'd have the defining genetalia to confirm it.

    So what's the point of genetalia? Propegating the species? As far as I know there were never stories of god weilding such a tool. No mention of offspring other than Jesus. But keep in mind, that was an immaculate conception. There would be no need.

    So tell me this: Is God a man and the "Virgin" Mary unfit to wear white (or the immaculate conception false), is God a woman and more false info delved from the Bible since Man was created in God's image and woman created from Adam's rib, or is God sexless and all stories can be allowed to maintain their integrity?

    The only answer which can be correct is the last.


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    I think you are trying to provoke an argument and not a debate since your text contains clear ridicule. I think this thread should not be subscribed to.


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    billco I respect your opinion. I've read your posts and most seem well planned. However, I'm not looking for an argument. And this is not ridicule as I'm simply pointing out inconcistancies in the story of Christian/Catholic God.
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    Hi densmin,

    What is the defining factor or a male or female? Some would say their genetalia. after all if your a feminine person with male genetalia, your a male and likewise for a masculine female with female genetalia.
    How about roles?

    So if God was a man or woman They'd have the defining genetalia to confirm it.
    God is neither man nor woman, and His male-ness and female-ness are His energies. The male represents God (spiritual nature), the female represents matterial nature. They both serve a purpose in this world.

    So what's the point of genetalia? Propegating the species? As far as I know there were never stories of god weilding such a tool.
    The point of genetalia are obvious, and of course propegation of species is one point.
    God doesn't have to have sex like animals to propegate. It is stated in vedic literature that He merely glances at the unmanifested material nature (mahat-tattva), and she becomes pregnant.

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    Provocative point densmin (well, it seems to have provoked billco).

    In another thread I just referred to God as her, largely for shock effect in the context.

    However, I don't see what contradictions there are inherent (is that a genetic pun?) in the Bible stories. You may think you have presented a couple, but you will need to be more specific. I simply don't see any contradiction. If God can be Father, Son and Holy Ghost, then he can simultaneously be Mother, Daughter and Holy Spirit. Where's the problem? 8)
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    answer this question and you answer gods sex question:
    what sex does nothing have?
    I am zelos. Destroyer of planets, exterminator of life, conquerer of worlds. I have come to rule this uiniverse. And there is nothing u pathetic biengs can do to stop me

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    forgive the ignorance but adam and eve had two sons cane and able, how did the rest of civilisation continue, without succomming to incest?
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    I pray for the Heavens above that God is really she...

    But its most probaply that God is somekind of "genderless" being
    who is one of the both sex at the same time or then
    none of these two... Or possibly have both sides in and and
    same presentation...
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    Heh... Lillith...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    answer this question and you answer gods sex question:
    what sex does nothing have?
    You tell us Zelos 8)


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    Provocative point densmin (well, it seems to have provoked billco).

    I just think there are people in this forum who are very good at baiting the religious - you can clearly see evidence of Master Baiters, It's almost like we are all guilty sometimes whether religious or not.
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    my questions just a question not for baiting purposes
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    Quote Originally Posted by captaincaveman
    my questions just a question not for baiting purposes
    It was not a criticism - it was a play on words.

    Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days, then mounted He the Throne. He covereth the night with the day, which is in haste to follow it, and hath made the sun and the moon and the stars subservient by His command. His verily is all creation and commandment Blessed be Allah.

    Well at least he does not claim to have produced the Galaxies, comets, planets, asteroids etc - just as in the bible and also in six days.

    since he distinguishes the sun as a seperate entity to the stars it just confirms the books were written by people who could not write beyond what they saw. A real God would have 'created many suns, one to give day and the many others to light the heavens and the night -now that would have been scary!

    Genesis [in the Bible] suggests God made 'two great lights, one to rule the day and one to rule the night. God would not have made the mistake of calling them both the same.

    I can't find anything about the Qu'ran 'fortelling the Big bang' or the universe expanding. Just ask them for the Verse Number & I can check it out.
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    doesnt anwer my question of cane and abel, how did the rest of supposidly come from these without incest?
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    Once more... Lillith? Heavenly intervention?
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    Did you not read my last post?

    Mine is the one true religion!
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    Quote Originally Posted by eternal
    Once more... Lillith? Heavenly intervention?


    oh ok, and then, at what point did incest creep in? i mean when did his creations suddenly get use of their tackle? :wink:


    thats a joke, not an insult, still a valid question :-D
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    This is easy God is everything, so God is both male and female and yet neither.

    captaincaveman: I can give you the catholic answer to that question, The bible is not meant to be a history book, it is meant to purvey spiritual truths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjacob
    This is easy God is everything, so God is both male and female and yet neither.

    captaincaveman: I can give you the catholic answer to that question, The bible is not meant to be a history book, it is meant to purvey spiritual truths.
    Either it is True or it is false.

    Could you explain what 'spiritual truth is'?
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    god and nothing are equals
    god and nothing have same sex
    nothing have no sex
    nothing is nothing

    god is irrelevant
    spirituals is irrelevant
    death is irrelevant
    life is irrelevant
    Only perfection is relevant
    I am zelos. Destroyer of planets, exterminator of life, conquerer of worlds. I have come to rule this uiniverse. And there is nothing u pathetic biengs can do to stop me

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    Off-Topic:
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    I read a prediction from the Supremes (the true origin of God)
    that there will be time when liarsmouths will claim their
    false gods (lesser Kaston) as the ultimate truth...

    I have also received holy vision from the Graihern (the Earthly
    harbingers of the Supremes)...

    So preferring to Platon (Knowledge is Justified, True, Belief),
    I am right since:

    1. I can justify my statement by own experimences...

    2. Since the statement is true in all possible cases because
    it is nearly inpossible to falsificate.

    3. And in the end it is based on a personal belief...

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    Sorry, my purpose wasn't insult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billco
    Either it (the Bible) is True or it is false.
    You mean in the same absolute way that light is either a wave or a particle. 8)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Quote Originally Posted by billco
    Either it (the Bible) is True or it is false.
    You mean in the same absolute way that light is either a wave or a particle. 8)
    Light is an electromagnetic wave (not a particle) which can interact with matter to [I'll finish this definition later..]


    I mean in the way the bible can be opened and read by anybody
    allowing any man to decide for himself whether it is true or false.

    Newton "It's a particle"
    Faraday, Fresnell, Maxwell, Herts, "It's a wave man"....
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    Quote Originally Posted by eternal
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    I read a prediction from the Supremes (the true origin of God)
    that there will be time when liarsmouths will claim their
    false gods (lesser Kaston) as the ultimate truth...

    I have also received holy vision from the Graihern (the Earthly
    harbingers of the Supremes)...

    So preferring to Platon (Knowledge is Justified, True, Belief),
    I am right since:

    1. I can justify my statement by own experimences...

    2. Since the statement is true in all possible cases because
    it is nearly inpossible to falsificate.

    3. And in the end it is based on a personal belief...

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    Sorry, my purpose wasn't insult.

    So because I don't agree with you I get beaten to death, Sounds just a bit like Hitler to me, Congratulations you have successfully convinced an open minded atheist who used to respect other religions that yours is no more than a global organisation hell bent on terror global because it is controlled by a god who has no compassion for those who do not believe in him.


    Oh forgive me please, I've double posted in error, I beg Mercy from Allah the all merciful the all knowing, show me the true way.
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    Sorry Billco, its hard to express emotions in the internet...
    And I wa

    My wholepost pointed to you was sarcasm from the begin
    to end... And my meaning was to ironisize the fact
    that it is impossible to tell which religion is correct and
    witch is not...

    Again, my humble apologize for you...
    (I whipped all those names in my post by myself)....

    And to explain more, if we prefer to your post:
    >> Mine religion is the only true one!

    Heh, I must say that my post is as open-minded
    than the one of yours...

    Sorry again... Hopefully this misunderstandind is now solved.
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    God is, in my opinion, neither male or female. If he is a spiritual being, then he has no gender. It wouldnt matter.
    "When you eliminate the inpossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbbable, must be the truth"- Sherlock Holmes
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    Quote Originally Posted by billco
    Quote Originally Posted by kingjacob
    This is easy God is everything, so God is both male and female and yet neither.

    captaincaveman: I can give you the catholic answer to that question, The bible is not meant to be a history book, it is meant to purvey spiritual truths.
    Either it is True or it is false.

    Could you explain what 'spiritual truth is'?
    Spiritual truths are found in understanding the context of what you are reading.

    For instance Genesis is not an account of how God made the universe. It is an account of realising that you have become conscious of yourself and your surroundings, like when you are a few years old. Thats why this account appears at the start of the bible. (*Clue* - to how the rest of the bible unfolds) - If you read the bible literally, it is a piece of crap, full of lies and falsehoods. Read it spiritually, ie understand the context of it and what the deeper meaning is, then 'spiritually' it is a truth.

    The bible was written the way it was, so that foolish people who read it in black and white, word for word, never get to understand it.
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    A book means what I say it means... Very Lewis Carroll.

    I have read it - a long time ago, the message I got was simply,
    'Live and let live' - but that was after considerable editing....
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    Quote Originally Posted by billco
    A book means what I say it means... Very Lewis Carroll.

    I have read it - a long time ago, the message I got was simply,
    'Live and let live' - but that was after considerable editing....
    Indeed, there is no absolute truth in the Bible, no parable or story has a correct answer to its meaning. In this sense its meaning is infinite - and the best meaning to any story is the best one you can come up with.

    If someone comes up with a more beautiful explaination for a parable, then that is the best meaning of the story thus far.

    It is a tool to get you to contemplate and philosophize.
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    Each time someone try to mix science and religion it end in a disaster.

    Science and religion are two differents beasts. The mix of the two is just creating crap.


    Next weird question . It you think that the sex of god is a relevant question, what do you think of this one : --
    - what is the ethnic appearance of god : black, white ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powerdoc
    Each time someone try to mix science and religion it end in a disaster.

    Science and religion are two differents beasts. The mix of the two is just creating crap.


    Next weird question . It you think that the sex of god is a relevant question, what do you think of this one : --
    - what is the ethnic appearance of god : black, white ...
    that would really depend on which God you are asking about. And as you know from elsewhere , Gods are personifications of natural phenomenen, or abstractions of conceptualizations, so I doubt that God has an ethnic appearance.

    But Apollo was definately Sun Yellow, or sunburned Greek, Jesus was Sun Yellow and an Arab. Isis is bright white and an Egyptian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powerdoc
    Each time someone try to mix science and religion it end in a disaster.

    Science and religion are two differents beasts. The mix of the two is just creating crap.


    Next weird question . It you think that the sex of god is a relevant question, what do you think of this one : --
    - what is the ethnic appearance of god : black, white ...
    Come one come all, Join Billco's religion - Allness.

    We merely assign the word 'God' to all space, time, energy, matter and history. You can only be stoned by drinking too much. Join and leave as you please (there's no forms to fill out or medical's to take, and it won't cost you a cent!). All we ask is you prostrate yourself for two weeks of the year to the local Allness rep (sol). And add the Allness line to your signature. All are welcome.

    There are no 'pink fairies' or all the other frilly bits associated with most religions
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    Newton "It's a particle"
    Faraday, Fresnell, Maxwell, Herts, "It's a wave man"....
    both are correct, when they move they are waves when they interact with matter they are particles (or should be considered it)
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    Quote Originally Posted by densmin
    What is the defining factor or a male or female?
    I do not think that masculinity and femininity can be reduced to body parts or even to bodily chemistry. Many same sex couples develop masculine and femine roles. And there is often talk of the feminine side of a man and a masculine side of a woman.

    Quote Originally Posted by densmin
    is God sexless and all stories can be allowed to maintain their integrity?

    The only answer which can be correct is the last.
    Not quite.

    God is the origin of all masculinity and God is the origin of all femininity, and so in some sense God is both. But male and female can also be considered a relational characteristic. In other words, there is a sense in which females are only females because there are males, and males are only male because there are females.

    The relationship between God and mankind is a complementary one much like the relationship between a man and a woman. God and mankind play different roles in this relationship. This is why I think the Bible has often compared and characterized this relationship between God and mankind as one of husband and bride. I believe that God is in this relationship to purely to give just as man/woman is in this relationship to receive. Of course, that hardly characterizes the far more partnership-like relationship between man and woman (except perhaps in the process of conception? sort of).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchellmckain
    This is why I think the Bible has often compared and characterized this relationship between God and mankind as one of husband and bride.
    First of all thank you for the carefully thought out reply.

    Forgive me though as I haven't boned up on the scripture, but where does it refer to this relationship? And are we the husband or the wife? Or would it be more accurate to say we're "married" to God without defining roles?
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    Quote Originally Posted by densmin
    Quote Originally Posted by mitchellmckain
    This is why I think the Bible has often compared and characterized this relationship between God and mankind as one of husband and bride.
    First of all thank you for the carefully thought out reply.

    Forgive me though as I haven't boned up on the scripture, but where does it refer to this relationship? And are we the husband or the wife? Or would it be more accurate to say we're "married" to God without defining roles?
    It is only an analogy. Off the top of my head there is the Song of Solomon (right after Ecclesiastes), and the parables of Jesus about the bridesmaids and wedding feasts. Oh and I think Revelations talks about the New Jerusalem as a bride as well.
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