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  1. #1 What if the options aren't just Atheism and Monotheism? 
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    What if you're a theist, but you don't believe there is any one supreme god? Suppose you also don't believe the gods created the universe? You still believe in evolution, and that the Earth is 4+ billion years old. It's just that you also believe there are higher powers.


    Where does that put you? Is that half way between?


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    Diest--what you've described actually fits a sizeable fraction of scientist, even if they don't call it that to be polite.


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    Sounds like you might be a pagan. what are these gods? are they not angels if there is a lot of them? or spirits? why gods?
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    Sweet... I am a Diest... I had been wondering about that... Thanks Lynx
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    Kojax, it looks like a spectrum - a broad one - between athiesm and faith based theism. Plenty of Theists who believe in evolution and an Earth 4+ billion years old. They usually still insist God created the universe in which this happened and in Godly interventions since. I'm not sure if they live happier lives that way or how strongly their beliefs skew their behavior. I like to think we have remarkable powers of observation and powers of intellect to make informed choices but I would note that there's plenty of evidence, even within my own life, that I'm wrong ie I don't, I don't and I haven't.
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    Correct spelling is "deist". "Diest" sounds like you believe you want to "die". Just nitpicking :P
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    If you believe in a god of any kind, you are a theist, period. There is nothing in theism that presupposes a monotheistic position. Certainly Hindus are theists and they are not monotheists. Deists are also theists, it is a subset of theism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by question for you View Post
    Sounds like you might be a pagan. what are these gods? are they not angels if there is a lot of them? or spirits? why gods?
    That is beginning to become my persuasion. I'm starting to believe in Odinism. (Don't worry, the form I'm following is a wholly non-racist variety.)

    I used to think it was impossible that the Greeks actually believed in Zeus, Apollo....etc. Now I actually share a similar belief. I started researching it as a way to create my own fiction based on Norse mythology, but increasingly became to believe that the stories might be more literally true (or in many cases allegorically true - but not quite literally). I hope that doesn't mean I'm insane.


    It just makes sense for the "gods" to be merely more powerful people, instead of omniscient creators. Or perhaps just visiting aliens far enough advanced/enlightened as to be worthy of worship.
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    Its aliens kojax
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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax View Post
    What if you're a theist, but you don't believe there is any one supreme god? Suppose you also don't believe the gods created the universe? You still believe in evolution, and that the Earth is 4+ billion years old. It's just that you also believe there are higher powers.


    Where does that put you? Is that half way between?
    Why do people feel the need to lable themselves? to define themselves with a lable that's supposed to sumerize what that person thinks and feels about something...? You could chat to a 'deist' in a forum and think hey I like them we've got a lot in common, when really you could have far more in common a creationist who you ignored becuase you assumed you wouldn't have much in common.

    I'm not trying to suggest you go around judging people in chat rooms by weather they are deists or christians etc... I don't know what im saying. I typed it so i might aswell post it :-) I'm what they call 'anti-lable-ist' I don't beleive in the importance of lables.
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    One shouldnt trust ordinary classifications too much, taxonomies should be professionally done (if at all).
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmwyant View Post
    Its aliens kojax

    I guess no matter how you cut it, that would technically be true. Or well.... unless the gods were native to Earth, in which case then they couldn't be called "alien", but it doesn't seem too likely for them to be native.

    One possibility is deification of exceptional humans, who's followers simply believed they became gods at death. I understand there's a cult in Brazil which has deified Ghandi and Martin Luther King, and holds ceremonies to try and call out their spirits from beyond. Snorri's Yngling Saga puts forth that theory as to the origin of the religion of Odinism.

    A literal Odinist would believe that the gods come from another world (Asgard) , possibly a parallel reality. In which case a literal Odinist is really an alien worshipper. The gods of Odinism don't really have any special abilities that wouldn't be possible using high technology. They're not omnipotent or omniscient or really any kind of "infinity this" or "infinity that". To an Odinist the idea of any one being, or even small combination of beings, controlling all realities or having created all realities is simply absurd.

    That last part is kind of what I was getting at, and I guess I should have framed it that way. Is it a religion if it has no creation myth? ........ perhaps time to start over......
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