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Thread: The Misery of Those Who Claim That God Does Not Exist

  1. #1 The Misery of Those Who Claim That God Does Not Exist 
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    Those who claim that God does not exist...are on a miserable course. Here are some reasons for this misery:

    1. The difficulty of proving that something does not exist. Someone can easily prove that something really exists. For example, someone can prove the existence of a certain type of plant or so by having a sample of it. Therefore, this item exists.

    But how does someone go about proving that something does not exist? Let us say, for example, that someone made a claim that a certain type of rock or gem exists, and let us also assume that this rock or gem is previously unknown to any human. Well, how do you prove that it does not exist? You might be able to say that we have not seen it or heard of it, or that we do not have any proof of its existence. But there is no way to disprove its existence.

    If someone does actually make the claim that the specified item does not exist, how did he arrive at his conclusion? Did he check every part of the earth, and look in all the different places, to see that none of them contain this item? That is not within any human’s capabilities.

    -So that was the first reason for the misery of those who claim that God does not exist.

    2. Going against commonly established principles. In common human sense and knowledge, we know everything to have a maker. This applies to different things like houses, cars, tools in general and so on. But we have some people who claim that this world has no Maker or Creator, and that it was the result of coincidence.

    When someone makes a claim that goes against commonly established principles and knowledge, it is that person who has to bring evidence for such an idea. As for people who believe that the world was created by a Creator, they are not making any deviant claim that tries to challenge commonly established principles and knowledge. Their belief goes along with what has already been established.

    -That was the second reason for the misery of those who claim that God does not exist.

    3. Inconsistency. Let us take a look at an example. Assume that some ancient structure was found in an uninhabited place somewhere in the world, and that this structure bears the signs of being a house or dwelling used for that purpose—it has a door, rooms, windows, etc. Of course, people will believe that this structure was built by someone for some purpose.

    So could this structure have been built by mere chance and coincidence? Could it be that the wind threw a group of rocks and other elements, and these parts somehow ended up building a house—just by coincidence? No one would venture to make such a claim, and it will be said that someone at some time must have built this structure purposely. But we have some people claiming that the entire universe was created by a series of very unlikely coincidences.

    Okay, so those people would believe that the structure in the example cannot be the result of coincidence. But when it comes to the universe—that is much more complex—they claim that it was created by a series of coincidences. This is a logical and mathematical inconsistency. If someone cannot lift 100 kilograms, can you expect him to lift 5,000 kilograms? Of course you cannot make that expectation.

    Well then, how can it be that a relatively simple structure like a house…cannot be created by mere coincidence, but that a much more complex structure (the universe) is the result of coincidence? This is a logical and mathematical inconsistency.

    -This is yet another reason for the misery of those who claim that God does not exist.

    They are claiming the nonexistence of God; they are going against commonly established principles; and they are making claims that suffer from inconsistency. They are on a miserable course.


     

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    Oh, I'm so miserable

    Actually, I'm not. That may be because I don't claim God doesn't exist any more than I claim football is boring. They are both just utterly irrelevant to real life.


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    FAS - you seem spend too much time thinking about atheists "being miserable", when their atheism does nothing towards either misery or happiness. Those things are decided by life and reality and the people we are with. It seems to me you spend so much time and effort on it because you might be afraid of misery in your own life arising despite your belief. Fear of ones' own insecurity will in a lot of cases put one on a mission to bring down those that are seemingly happy without something you hold crucial to happiness.
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    I don't believe there is a god and I'm actually quite happy
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    I couldn't be bothered to read this drivel first time round. Now I have, I am very disappointed.

    Quote Originally Posted by FAS View Post
    If someone does actually make the claim that the specified item does not exist, how did he arrive at his conclusion? Did he check every part of the earth, and look in all the different places, to see that none of them contain this item? That is not within any human’s capabilities.
    Oh great. So now I am supposed to believe in Santa Claus, dragons, Fnorp, unicorns, the Loch Ness monster, the whole pantheon of gods from Hinduism, Norse & Greek myth, earth spirits, universal intelligence, the Illuminati, ....

    That is a lot to ask. I'll try.

    So that was the first reason for the misery of those who claim that God does not exist.
    Sounds to me that believing everything must be pretty miserable.

    2. Going against commonly established principles. In common human sense and knowledge, we know everything to have a maker. This applies to different things like houses, cars, tools in general and so on.
    There is a very tiny subset of things that we know have a maker. For the vast majority of things we have no such knowledge. You might as well say "we know everything reproduces sexually, so obviously stars do".


    Well then, how can it be that a relatively simple structure like a house…cannot be created by mere coincidence, but that a much more complex structure (the universe) is the result of coincidence? This is a logical and mathematical inconsistency.
    As we have plenty of examples in nature of complex structures being formed by "random" processes, this is just an argument from incredulity. And, further, assumes some underlying structure or meaning to the universe. Which, given the human tendency for pareidolia is a pretty baseless assumption.

    Thanks for wasting my time. Heaven knows I'm miserable now.
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    Lordy, just think of all those busy little gnomes designing each and every snowflake.

    Or those fantastic fractal broccoli.
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    FAS, this is a science forum. You should have supported your position with at least one psychology study for example. You didn't.

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