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Thread: I can't believe in the extrordinary supernatural phenomenology of New Testament

  1. #1 I can't believe in the extrordinary supernatural phenomenology of New Testament 
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    All of them are just metaphoric? If yes, then why God tried to cheat those early christians/apostles? Who died (for example: Apostle Paul) because they believed in the 'Supernatural Powers' of Jesus

    Dont answer with retoric, just use physics/phylosophic language


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    Given that none of the supernatural powers of Jesus have been able to be reproduced, yes, I'd say that they are all just metaphoric. As far as this God fellow goes, any communication between it and humans would be supernatural, and therefor part of this metaphorical bunch.

    Regarding the deaths of these people, you'll have to get an answer from someone else; I'm not a Bible buff.


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    For me, the Resurrection of Lazarus means: ''Miracles never happens in the natural world. So, you must use the techno-science to solve all your problems''
    But, then if a prayer doesnt have any effect. Maybe God sends 'telepathic intuitions' to help to solve our problems? But Parapsychology can't prove telepathy exist.

    Then, can we make any quantitative measurement of the any God's effects? Science says not.
    Then, what means the God concept? A desperate pray when science offers no solution for a terrible ill/difficulty? A moral scheme? (not very scientific to deal with psychos, etc.) A ommniscient, timeless intelligence? (Can a limited human intelligence really build a concept of something ilimited, infinite?)

    One day science will understand the God concept? If never. Is it a non-sense? an useless concept?
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    The Bible interpretation also evolves with time, in order to survive. At first the words were treated as literally true. When a there are more evidence that indicate the incredulity of the words, they turn to be more metaphorical and abstract.

    The change in the interpretation is so large that, if you could bring a Christian who lived 200 years ago forward to listen to the present-day Christian, he would believe that now Satan rules the earth.

    Hope my language is plain enough!
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    Quote Originally Posted by prasit View Post
    The Bible interpretation also evolves with time, in order to survive. At first the words were treated as literally true.
    Is this correct? I had been led to believe that Hebrew was a lnaguage rich in metaphor and that therefore the Old Testament was understood to contain much that was symbolic, poetic or metaphorical, in addition to the legal and historical material. Was I misled?
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    Quote Originally Posted by prasit View Post
    The change in the interpretation is so large that, if you could bring a Christian who lived 200 years ago forward to listen to the present-day Christian, he would believe that now Satan rules the earth.
    This seems to be a pretty common Christian mindset anyway.
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    It is a common mindset now, but bible literalism and infallibility did not actually start until the later 1880's if I recall correctly
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    It is a common mindset now, but bible literalism and infallibility did not actually start until the later 1880's if I recall correctly
    Yes. Modern people often fail to understand that older forms of poetical expression were not meant to be taken literally.
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    Im not an exegete, but c'mon, ancient historiologists believed in resurrected people? in semi-gods who walked over water? semi-gods who levitates towards the sky? Elias levitated like a gas balloon...
    Jesus ignited a fig tree, as superman did. Jesus regenerated the cutted ear of an apostle. all was wrote in literal language

    Mary (Jesus's mother) levitated like a gas balloon.[it told me a priest, it was his explanation on why no bones of Mary was fund]
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    No actually a large chunk was written down stories that had been told word of mouth a number of times and started as allegory and parable. The Biblical liberalism movement started in England in the very late 1800's
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    Protestant Churches, as I understand it, are the Protestant people. The people are the church. Now we all like to get together for company. If the interests of the group serve to bolster good feelings amongst themselves, then, for the sake of continuing this environment beliefs conform to Doctrine. If the accepted Doctrine comes from the current New Testiment, so be it. The church members defend these Tenets as they are self serving. Wether they actually believe inwardly that the New Testiment Miracles actually occured is not the point. The support group is the important criteria here, gives them a reason to participate in life at a comfortable level. westwind.
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