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    Noahidism:

    • Noah represents the stage where we develop right-mindedness (a clear understanding of right and wrong)


    Judaism:

    • Abraham represents the stage where we develop faith in God


    Christianity:

    • Jesus represents the stage where we have a personal relationship with God


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    Love God, love others, love yourself. That's what Jesus said

    Christians will tell you to fear going to hell if you don't believe what they tell you to believe
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    I believe the Sermon on the Mount contains the fundamental teachings of Christianity.
    The readings talk about the blessings of righteousness and faith in Jesus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmatt9876
    What are the fundamental teachings of Christianity?
    Depends entirely on which specific church the person attends, and then how their community talks about it outside of church. There's a lot gray area there.
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    Going off the bible, the greatest commandment is to love God, and the second one is "like unto it" - to love your fellow mankind as yourself. In another passage it is clearly stated that doing a nice thing for a fellow human being and doing a nice thing for God are the exact same thing, so there you have it: Christianity == doing nice things for others.


    However, the Bible kept going after Jesus Christ's death, and Paul wrote enough epistles full of confusing passages to enable any hypocritical "Christian" who wants to kill, harm or steal stuff from someone to justify it by using the "Chewbacca Defense".

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense

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    Simply put:

    1. God exists eternally. God is a Single, Unique Being who is Triune in nature. He designed, created, assembled and sustains the Universe, including the Earth and all life thereon. As designer and creator, He established ALL the rules. God created man(kind) as a 'reflection' of God. God empowered man as the manager of the Earth.

    2. At some point thereafter, Man rejected God's authority and started doing things his 'own way'.

    3. God, being just, reacted to this rebellion by condemning man to eternal separation from God, essentially eternal death.

    4. God, being loving as well as just, established atonement for man's rebellion.

    5. God prefers man to accept the atonement program rather than to continue in rebellion and eternal death. Every person who has ever lived or ever will live has been or will be invited by God to accept atonement and reconciliation to God. However, God does not force man one way or the other.

    6. Which way do you choose? Rebellion and eternal death or atonement and reconciliation?

    Yes, there's other stuff about not sassing one's mother, being good to others and picking up one's mess. However, the six items above are the essential message of the Bible.

    Feel free to contact me directly if you have any questions.


    KOJAX: I just read your link regarding the Chewbacca Defense. Hysterical! And, your claiming Paul's writings provide a Chewbacca Defense for Christians who want to commit crimes is in fact, the Chewbacca Defense. It's a complete and total red herring and unrelated claim. Good work!
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    The above are, indeed, fundamental teachings of christian religion. Regardless of their place in reality.
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    As others have pointed out, the answer to your question depends on who you ask.
    I would recommend researching it for yourself.
    Here are some links to some bible research sources.
    The Dark Bible: Contents
    Evil Bible Home Page
    BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 100 versions and 50 languages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archie View Post
    Simply put:

    1. God exists eternally. God is a Single, Unique Being who is Triune in nature. He designed, created, assembled and sustains the Universe, including the Earth and all life thereon. As designer and creator, He established ALL the rules. God created man(kind) as a 'reflection' of God. God empowered man as the manager of the Earth.

    2. At some point thereafter, Man rejected God's authority and started doing things his 'own way'.

    3. God, being just, reacted to this rebellion by condemning man to eternal separation from God, essentially eternal death.

    4. God, being loving as well as just, established atonement for man's rebellion.

    5. God prefers man to accept the atonement program rather than to continue in rebellion and eternal death. Every person who has ever lived or ever will live has been or will be invited by God to accept atonement and reconciliation to God. However, God does not force man one way or the other.

    6. Which way do you choose? Rebellion and eternal death or atonement and reconciliation?

    So, basically Christianity teaches that we should follow the rules of Christianity, and because we didn't in the past we need to seek forgiveness.

    Ok, so ...um... what are those rules? How do you obey them?
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    This is my opinion on the religion... I think Jesus was an average man who knew how to harness his full potential. In the bible it says many times the kingdom of god is within us. It refers to us each one of us as gods! I believe god exists because of all the loose ends and how intracate everything is on earth. But I believe moreso as god sits back and watches I believe in free will and that's just my opinion.The bible in many religions many ways and repeatedly tells us we are the kingdom of god.That we need to build a temple, one that makes no noise to build... Etc etc and when I read "the lost symbol" by dan brown I realized I'm not the only one who shares my ideas. Clearly many people out there believe exact what I do. Does anyone else here feel similar?
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    Fmp2491 wrote:
    It refers to us each one of us as gods!
    In the bible there is only one god.

    I believe god exists because of all the loose ends and how intracate everything is on earth.
    Evolution theory can explain those without referring to god.

    Clearly many people out there believe exact what I do. Does anyone else here feel similar?
    There are over six billion people alive today. I think quite a few have the same belief as yours. But in this forum, I think you may be the only one who believes that you yourself are also a god.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prasit View Post
    Fmp2491 wrote:
    It refers to us each one of us as gods!
    In the bible there is only one god.
    Genesis: 3:4,5
    And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

    For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
    Genesis: 3: 22
    And the Lord God said, Behold the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever:
    Also the word "Eloheim" from which god is translated is constructed in a way that would usually be plural in Hebrew.


    Clearly many people out there believe exact what I do. Does anyone else here feel similar?
    There are over six billion people alive today. I think quite a few have the same belief as yours. But in this forum, I think you may be the only one who believes that you yourself are also a god.
    It's one of the core beliefs of Mormonism, that every person has the potential to become a God (and some may obtain it sooner than others). So, that gives you a few million, but certainly less than 1% of the world population. I think there are 15 million Mormons, so what does that give us? 0.25%?

    JC always said he was the Son of Man. If he were a bastard child, then referring to himself as a "Child of God" might have served merely as a way to remind people that his questionable parentage wasn't a valid reason to discount him as a person. Perhaps it wasn't until much later on that his followers decided to take that literally.
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    One can argue that "shall be as gods" is not the same as "shall be gods". I may interpret the sentence as: Men, like gods, will know good and evil.
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    The second passage was the important one. The first was just for context. "One of us" Who is "us"? The "EL" in Elohim is the part that says God. The rest is to make it plural. Of course there are lots of interpretations as to why that is. Some versions say it's to denote plural majesties, or etc......

    Elohim - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Of course, you know... another possibility is that maybe Genesis was originally co-opted from a polytheistic religion, which later became monotheistic. Rather than change the text itself to make God singular, perhaps it was just easier to change the way the plural word was interpreted in the culture's language system?
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    I always saw this plurality as a remnant of the Canaanite tradition the jews came from. Back when they were openly polytheistic.
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    [QUOTE=kojax;277856][QUOTE=prasit;277849]Fmp2491 wrote:

    It's one of the core beliefs of Mormonism, that every person has the potential to become a God (and some may obtain it sooner than others). So, that gives you a few million, but certainly less than 1% of the world population. I think there are 15 million Mormons, so what does that give us? 0.25%?

    JC always said he was the Son of Man. If he were a bastard child, then referring to himself as a "Child of God" might have served merely as a way to remind people that his questionable parentage wasn't a valid reason to discount him as a person. Perhaps it wasn't until much later on that his followers decided to take that literally.
    I agree with you, but i think that the advancements in technology and the study of genetics, only confirms this more. Please look into the book the genius in all of us. ( Amazon.com: The Genius in All of Us: Why Everything You've Been Told About Genetics, Talent, and IQ Is Wrong (9780385523653): David Shenk: Books ) This book basically all it says is that the conventional mendelian inheritance beliefs were wrong! The genetic makeup of each person is only a little variable in the scheme of an entire persons life. That each of us have nearly limitless boundaries if we put enough effort into something! That genius/ talent/ intelligence isn't a gift as much as its acquired. LIMITLESS POTENTIAL is the overall theme! Limitless potential is what they talk about in my opinion in the bible, as well as in many other religions. I think that maybe we are only starting to scientifically discover proof of the human potential.

    I've almost always been a church-goer I have also always believed the conventional religion of christianity. I think that now that I am slightly older that it makes much sense. That God is a "clockmaker" thats has always been my opinion. I think the bible is more of a figurative text then literal, and that it was written so that even if you want to interoperate it literally it will at least teach people morals / ethics.


    What do you guys think obviously just my opinion...
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    Fmp2491 wrote:
    That each of us have nearly limitless boundaries if we put enough effort into something!
    I am VERY suspicious when I hear the word 'limitless'. Do you believe that, with enough effort, you can fly to the sun in 8 minutes?
    The genetic makeup of each person is only a little variable in the scheme of an entire persons life.
    How little? Because of your genetic makeup you cannot be a spiderman, a turtle, or a cow, among many others. In this respect I do think the genetic makeup has a lot of control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prasit View Post
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    That each of us have nearly limitless boundaries if we put enough effort into something!
    I am VERY suspicious when I hear the word 'limitless'. Do you believe that, with enough effort, you can fly to the sun in 8 minutes?
    The genetic makeup of each person is only a little variable in the scheme of an entire persons life.
    How little? Because of your genetic makeup you cannot be a spiderman, a turtle, or a cow, among many others. In this respect I do think the genetic makeup has a lot of control.
    I just want to say that if you read the quote's literally you can see that I tried to defend slightly against this "extreme ideology"! Although it is funny and very true I, in no way and trying to pass off the ability to become superman. Or the ability to replicate god inside each one of us. EXCEPT I AM, I am saying that each of us have the dormant ability to mimic his superhuman abilities. I dont believe that we can create somthing from nothing... I dont believe we can defy rules grant access to a parted sea, and summon a giant flood to wipe out the population. But i do think that we have the ability to be what JC was and to mimic his superhuman abilities. I dont believe that we can create something from nothing.... But I do think that we have the ability to be what jesus was.

    In my opinion I think that JC was an average man, who was able to harness his TRAINED brain better than us because he was genetically favorable. Like the book says genetics exist and im not trying to say that genetics are slim to none factors but they arent what we think they are. (Essentially in a nutshell the book says this, people who have been considered gifted though out history were just born in an enviorment that demanded them to be more gifted at something. Meaning like Mozart, his dad was a teacher of music, a composer himself and an enthusiast because that was his life. So he passed that passion on to his daughter who was good... but then the real "genius was born... wrong he was created through dedication! ETC ETC ETC this isn't my main point) The conventional law of pundit tables and so on and so forth has been proved wrong... a long time ago actually. I obviously know no one is going to become superman... no one is going to fly without an aircraft to the sun in 8 minutes. No one is even proposing these ideas! Like I said although comical, they are clearly impossible! I agree with you that this will never happen; but read the quotes in the right frame of mind and you will see "Nearly Limitless Human potential". And quote 2 being, Genetic's play a very malleable role in ones life and do little to nothing to stop the dedicated mind.
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    The claim that a 4-minute mile was once thought to be impossible by informed observers was and is a widely propagated myth created by sportswriters and debunked by Bannister himself in his memoir, The Four Minute Mile (1955).

    This quote was ripped straight off wikipedia from the sight titled: Roger Bannister.

    Like the skepticism on the word Limitless, the word Impossible only due to surpress further advancement. The average person today can do things on a regular basis that were thought to be impossible years ago. It isn't because we are super humans but because we are allowing our environment to demand that we become more. Just wanted to say that on your suspicious thoughts on the word limitless its a very powerful word I get that, but its not IMPOSSIBLE to use it. lol
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    Fmp2491,

    Your 'limitless' capability is very limited indeed. I am not being 'extreme ideological', but want to have more precise meaning. Your saying is more like a sales speech to motivate salesman to make the yearly target.

    When a man succeeds in doing something that was thought impossible before, it does not mean the man's capability is limitless. It only means he has done better than before. He may run a mile within 4 minutes, but his capability to run faster is not limitless. For example, he run faster than a Jaguar. You should have agreed.

    If we have this understanding, we can see that God does not have anything to do with it. It is the law of physics and the theory of evolution that determine how much we can do.
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    You also mentioned that JC is an average man who has harness his trained mind. Do you really think an average man have the potential to walk on water, produce unlimited bread from a bag, heal the sick with his mind-power, stop breathing for three days while bleeding badly and fly to heaven?
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    Since we're talking about religion, I think introducing the paranormal is allowed. Psychic manifestations take the place of miracles, and then maybe a person could do all those things. Trouble is, there is not clear mechanism that describes what makes a psychic power work, or what the extent of its abilities are, or what it costs to do it. (One likes to hope the conservation of energy still holds up.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by prasit View Post
    You also mentioned that JC is an average man who has harness his trained mind. Do you really think an average man have the potential to walk on water, produce unlimited bread from a bag, heal the sick with his mind-power, stop breathing for three days while bleeding badly and fly to heaven?
    This is the easiest way to adress both posts towards me by quoting yours. Ok so do I believe these things are possible by "Normal Humans"? No. Do I think the majority of these are real events? No. This is my thing, I believe in the bibles overall message. I believe in god, I believe in the morals and ethics envolved in being a good christian. BUT!!! I do not believe that any of those stories involving those types of miracles have any validity. Like I keep reiterating this is only MY PERSONAL opinion not my views that im trying to force onto you.

    But do I think that man is capable of limitless power? YES. You two explain to me what the phrase limitless means as if i dont understand the word lol. I understand the word, meaning and comprehend it completely. Yet you refuse to believe it haha, ok enough on that. This is what it is, if you believe that humans adapted this ability through strictly evolution alone. Then explain how random genius is born from average parents who have average kids also? I agree with evolution, I actually reference it when I talked about the book "The Genius in all of us". Evolution is partly responsible for our advancement, but the only part about this whole picture from my statement to yours is you aren't reading this throughly enough. Im saying that we have virtually limitless potential because its true, look as far back as the invention/ implementation of electricity. From 1752 - 1827 roughly began the era of Electricity so ill use 1800 flat for my reference point. In the last 211 years since the first bout of electricity was harnessed and used look at how far we have evolved. The world is using previous advancements and compounding it duplicates the rate of advancement. You are 100% correct to be skeptical about the word limitless. But your wrong in being so stern about the use of it, because its clouding your judgement. We use the inventions of today to help invent the inventions of tomorrow. Computers today will help us build the future computers. Thus without the computers of the past we couldn't be where we are now. This is evolution but it evolution of the environment.

    Back to the point quickly, we are a society of "Normal Humans" who in my opinion and the opinions of a lot of more highly qualified scientists that we just havent discovered nearly the full potential of the brain. If you were to take an exact clone of someone from 1700's and put them in society today and grow them up from a baby. You would probably abandon your position, because they would fit in perfectly. Humans havent evolved much in the last few hundred years, it has mostly been attributed to the evolution of the environment. Like I said the book proves this with stats and figures, tests and data. I promise you that I would not lie about that! So do I think that our abilities are limitless yes... Do I think our generation will achieve godly powers? Nope. But all in due time I feel we will.

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    It seems that you and I agree on many things if we do not hang on to the word 'limitless'. So I will not pursue the meaning of the word anymore.
    What do we agree?
    - That the miracles in the bible are not valid.
    - That human can do a lot of amazing things by applying the knowledge they have accumulated over many generations.
    - That, equipped with appropriate technology, they can outrun a Jaguar, fly higher than an eagle, dive deeper than a shark and hit harder than a rhino. But without it, they are limited by their biological structure.

    What do we not agree?
    - You believe that God created human, to be limited in some ways and limitless in others.
    - I believe that human, and all other living things, are the results of process described in evolution theory that has been going on for many million years.

    Then explain how random genius is born from average parents who have average kids also?
    With the population of six billion, it would be surprising if everyone is born with the same IQ. Of course, a few will be geniuses, and a few will be stupid. If you think this contradict evolution theory please explain why.

    If you were to take an exact clone of someone from 1700's and put them in society today and grow them up from a baby. You would probably abandon your position, because they would fit in perfectly. Humans havent evolved much in the last few hundred years, it has mostly been attributed to the evolution of the environment.
    This statement shows that you do not sufficiently understand evolution theory. You expect that (Darwinian's) evolution will cause noticeable changes in human only after 15-20 generations. Biologists talk about existing human's traits that are not useful today but were essential for survival 40,000 years ago. So please study evolution theory more, to make the discussion more productive.
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    Then explain how random genius is born from average parents who have average kids also? With the population of six billion, it would be surprising if everyone is born with the same IQ. Of course, a few will be geniuses, and a few will be stupid. If you think this contradict evolution theory please explain why.

    I agree with your statement because you back it with evolution theory. Like any scientific discussion you may not agree on your beliefs, but as long as they are supported then they are irrefutable, unless research shows otherwise. Lacking research I have no grounds or means to prove you wrong, nor do i have the desire. But the book referred to multiple times proves your statement wrong. For lack of time I wont go through the book looking for quotes but If you are that interested in evolution theory I promise you will love the book. Even read a summary on it if your skeptical. I think that your evolution theory is good it works, but its outdated. I think that research, recent research has proved these statements false. I also think however that until the new research becomes a law, if ever your statements are still accurate. Evolution works and i do know a decent amount about evolution and you are right I should look up more, but i've never bought into it the more i read the less I believe. So I like to keep it simple for now with evolution.


    If you were to take an exact clone of someone from 1700's and put them in society today and grow them up from a baby. You would probably abandon your position, because they would fit in perfectly. Humans havent evolved much in the last few hundred years, it has mostly been attributed to the evolution of the environment.
    This statement shows that you do not sufficiently understand evolution theory. You expect that (Darwinian's) evolution will cause noticeable changes in human only after 15-20 generations. Biologists talk about existing human's traits that are not useful today but were essential for survival 40,000 years ago. So please study evolution theory more, to make the discussion more productive.
    Yes I do expect and you cant prove my statement false that it wont exhibit change in 15-20 generations. Ill abandon my own belief for a second to play the game here look... I dont mean this to be offensive to anyone so dont take offense. We went to africa upon the founding of this country for workers, we came back with exactly what we were looking for. African natives of all ages sizes and shapes, based on their build and projected "potential ability" they were given a money value.... I dont need to explain slavery too you because im 99% positive you know as much if not more about it than i do thats not the point. The point is those with the highest value were deemed superior over those with a lower value, obviously lol. But superior how? they were genetically superior? nope usually not at least... well not at first anyway. After 15 generations of Selective breeding, its safe to say that some decedents of slaves still exhibit superior genetic material. and that was a little as 15-20 generations.

    I may need to do more research on evolution your right! I agree to that statement and it is possible that I missing essential information, but it is also twice as likely that both of us are missing out on simple things that explain exactly why the discussion isn't optimally productive.
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    Maybe this discussion fits better in Biology or even better in new Hypothesis and Ideas?
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    It is certainly a long way off the thread's topic. Sorry. I will stop now.

    Fmp, if you want to continue please create a new thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prasit View Post
    It is certainly a long way off the thread's topic. Sorry. I will stop now.

    Fmp, if you want to continue please create a new thread.
    Agreed my apologies as well Let me know prasit where you would like to continue i am interested.
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    What are the fundamental teachings of Christianity?
    you shall not sin.
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    Fmp2491, prasit:

    If you guys are ok with it, I'll move your posts to the New Hypothesis and Ideas section under the heading: "Human potential: Limitless?". I'll do that after the next few hours to give you a chance to see this message.
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    There is a point made by Fmp2491 that is related to religion: He believes that the limitless potential is given by God, not through evolution or any other natural processes.

    Anyway, I am OK whichever section you will put it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spuriousmonkey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mmatt9876 View Post
    What are the fundamental teachings of Christianity?
    you shall not sin.
    So, the main rule is "Obey the rules."?

    .... That's helpful...




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    Im saying that we have virtually limitless potential because its true, look as far back as the invention/ implementation of electricity. From 1752 - 1827 roughly began the era of Electricity so ill use 1800 flat for my reference point. In the last 211 years since the first bout of electricity was harnessed and used look at how far we have evolved. The world is using previous advancements and compounding it duplicates the rate of advancement. You are 100% correct to be skeptical about the word limitless. But your wrong in being so stern about the use of it, because its clouding your judgement. We use the inventions of today to help invent the inventions of tomorrow. Computers today will help us build the future computers. Thus without the computers of the past we couldn't be where we are now. This is evolution but it evolution of the environment.
    Most human beings today have only the faintest clue how electricity works. It's the simple fact that 6 billion people are all focused on the same issue, a small percentage of which happen to be naturally very intelligent, that has forwarded our progress. Before that it was slow because communication was poor, and only a few eyes could look at every issue at a time, mostly locals.

    It's not even because of the number of eyes itself, though. It's the ability to be selective. A community with 10,000 people in it has 10,000 eyes, sure, but what if you instead chose the best 10,000 out of 6 billion? You'd get a better set of eyes.
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    A community with 10,000 people in it has 10,000 eyes
    20,000.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax View Post
    So, basically Christianity teaches that we should follow the rules of Christianity, and because we didn't in the past we need to seek forgiveness.

    Ok, so ...um... what are those rules? How do you obey them?
    Kojax. Sorry to take so long in response. I'm on vacation and not at my regular computer.

    Primarily, there are no 'rules'; one should have lived one's life in accord with God in the first place. It's not nor ever was a matter of proscribed actions and prescribed actions. Secondly, you miss the point, Kojax; it's too late to 'obey the rules'. The only options - alternatives? - now are either a) Accept God's sovereignty and the Lordship of Jesus Christ and become united with Jesus and therefore acceptable to God or b) continue to ignore God and spend eternity in an eternal death state. I'm not really sure what it will be like, but no one is going to like it.

    Frankly, I'm not sure what eternity with God in Heaven will be like, other than it will be joyous beyond humanity's wildest expectations. In short, everyone will like it, fully.
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    Lol i agree with your statements and I like that we share similar views. I think though that the meaning of Christianity is to be the most well grounded person who you can possibly be. Meaning yes, we may all have varying ideas of success (personally) that we aspire to obtain; but in the eyes of "the lord" we believe that a unified idea of success, (helps bring people together for a single cause/purpose) which may or may not include the following:

    Eliminate all unnecessary sins. (eliminate all if possible whilst still being true to yourself)
    Spread the word of the lord.
    Live to promote the wellbeing of others. (Even though you should live for yourself theirs a difference between living for you and being selfish. 'Its better to give than to receive')
    Carry out good faith. (Morals/ Ethics)
    Essentially treat everyone equally, Love, Respect, and Prosper as one unit.

    That is what I think the fundamental teachings are! Do I think all are obtainable? yes, do I think that it is realistic? absolutely not (for the average person). Especially in a time where science thrives, over religion...(In my opinion!!) anyway back to my point because that wasn't it lol! You guys say that our society is heading in the wrong direction, we have very few minds who put any effort towards being knowledgeable and using resources to the fullest. But think about it this way, I believe God instills "Nearly Limitless Power"** in every single one of us. Now thats the same thing as me saying on the loud speaker at a large school. I have hidden a million dollars in a mattress. It could be anywhere and their is no guarantee that anyone will find it... EVER. BUT ITS THEIR FOR THE TAKING. If one person was motivated enough to go searching and dedicate enough time, he/ she could find it. Nor will that statement motivate everyone to search, its essentially me telling you that I feel exactly how you feel that society devotes energy, time and money into the wrong things for the most part. But who's to say im right? no one! and who's to say im wrong? (Sidebar: and with the people in the world today do we really want all 6 billion thinking about the same thing lol take a look around, no offense!)

    That may sound like an empowerment speech for salesmen to meet quota's and who knows maybe it is somewhere out there. But these are my beliefs and like I stated way earlier, I may not be the most religious (not even close lol) But what I like about religion is that if one day it proves to hold no vale in terms of solidity, and proof. At least it teaches people ethics in a society that identifies itself as dog eat dog. We have a natural go get it instinct. But I believe that that is healthy; it is very healthy but I also think honesty is key!! Because Go-get-it means go EARN it in my opinion, but in modern times it means go-get-it* and that * being - even if you have to steal it. Honesty is scarce and I like the morals and ethics involved in being a good christian, a christian believer, or a believer in faith as a whole. (any faith)


    Agree to disagree right!? lol


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    Fmp2491, prasit:

    If you guys are ok with it, I'll move your posts to the New Hypothesis and Ideas section under the heading: "Human potential: Limitless?". I'll do that after the next few hours to give you a chance to see this message.

    I was away on Vacation so I just saw this now I appreciate it ill go check it out thanks!
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    It seems that your list of beliefs is basically the same thing as most, if not all, religion. It is not unique to Christianity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prasit View Post
    It seems that your list of beliefs is basically the same thing as most, if not all, religion. It is not unique to Christianity.
    I think that like I mentioned previously I dont think the bible should be interpreted literally. So I guess my "Fundamental beliefs"reflect my opinion more then I had wanted them too. To my own understanding though many others believe the bible is something that isn't a literal text also. (I dont mean in the world I mean in the forum) So I guess if you were tied up on my post after my list, then you didn't get my overall message. If thats the case than I guess I give my apologies for injecting my opinion unknowingly...
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    Of course I understand that you don't interpret the bible literally. But my point is that your fundamental beliefs are not unique to Christianity, they are common to all (or most) religions.

    But I understand in Christianity, you need to believe in God in order to have a seat reserved in heaven. Just doing good is not enough. Is that right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by prasit View Post
    Of course I understand that you don't interpret the bible literally. But my point is that your fundamental beliefs are not unique to Christianity, they are common to all (or most) religions.

    But I understand in Christianity, you need to believe in God in order to have a seat reserved in heaven. Just doing good is not enough. Is that right?
    Agreed thats what I ultimately think is true as well but still i am not sure to how positive i am in afterlife!
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    C S Lewis wrote a book called "Mere Christianity" in which he analyses exactly what the core beliefs of Christianity are. He is a lucid and entertaining writer, a classical scholar, and not least important, an actual Christian. If you actually want to know what the core beliefs of Christianity are I suggest reading it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sealeaf View Post
    C S Lewis wrote a book called "Mere Christianity" in which he analyses exactly what the core beliefs of Christianity are. He is a lucid and entertaining writer, a classical scholar, and not least important, an actual Christian. If you actually want to know what the core beliefs of Christianity are I suggest reading it.
    I will check it out I appreciate the recommended text I love reading books as opposed to internet sources so i appreciate it. My problem with this is that we got way off topic of the discussion of the origional thread and that is predominantly, my fault so I apologize I was trying to interject science into a solely religus thread. This will be my last post on this thread and thank you Sealeaf for the recommended text.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archie View Post
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    So, basically Christianity teaches that we should follow the rules of Christianity, and because we didn't in the past we need to seek forgiveness.

    Ok, so ...um... what are those rules? How do you obey them?
    Kojax. Sorry to take so long in response. I'm on vacation and not at my regular computer.

    Primarily, there are no 'rules';
    So, a law is not a rule? The Bible mentions many laws and commandments (especially the 10 commandments) and says "thou shalt" quite a lot. Is it possible that you are learning religion from some preacher who does not, himself, read the bible?


    one should have lived one's life in accord with God in the first place. It's not nor ever was a matter of proscribed actions and prescribed actions. Secondly, you miss the point, Kojax; it's too late to 'obey the rules'. The only options - alternatives? - now are either a) Accept God's sovereignty and the Lordship of Jesus Christ and become united with Jesus and therefore acceptable to God or b) continue to ignore God and spend eternity in an eternal death state. I'm not really sure what it will be like, but no one is going to like it.

    Frankly, I'm not sure what eternity with God in Heaven will be like, other than it will be joyous beyond humanity's wildest expectations. In short, everyone will like it, fully.
    So it's all ex-post-facto legislation? God says "and by the way, you already violated all my rules before I even told them to you"?

    How do you accept a sovereign and then make no meaningful attempt whatsoever to follow that sovereign's rules? How does that count as "accepting their sovereignty and lordship"? I understand being sorry for past failures, but I don't get the defeatism about not worrying about trying to avoid future failures. You're just taking it for granted you'll fail and not trying? You think that is God's will?

    Oh dear. Mormonism made so much more sense than that, back when I still believed it, and that says quite a lot about the absurdity of this.
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    Hello again, Kojax. I take it you're a 'lapsed' Mormon? I can see your inability to follow what I'm saying, seeing as you are steeped, if not pickled, in 'works'.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kojax
    The Bible mentions many laws and commandments (especially the 10 commandments) and says "thou shalt" quite a lot.
    You didn't notice the part in Romans Chapter 6 dealing with this very question? I reprint the passage here for clarity:
    6:1 What shall we say then? Are we to remain in sin so that grace may increase? 6:2 Absolutely not! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 6:3 Or do you not know that as many as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 6:4 Therefore we have been buried with him through baptism into death, in order that just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too may live a new life. 6:5 For if we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we will certainly also be united in the likeness of his resurrection. 6:6 We know that our old man was crucified with him so that the body of sin would no longer dominate us, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 6:7 (For someone who has died has been freed from sin.) 6:8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 6:9 We know that since Christ has been raised from the dead, he is never going to die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 6:10 For the death he died, he died to sin once for all, but the life he lives, he lives to God. 6:11 So you too consider yourselves dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 6:12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its desires, 6:13 and do not present your members to sin as instruments to be used for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who are alive from the dead and your members to God as instruments to be used for righteousness. 6:14 For sin will have no mastery over you, because you are not under law but under grace.
    In other words, Kojax, all those 'laws and commandments' - what is known in Christian circles as the Mosaic Law - are no longer applied to one is dead in Christ. Much like in modern U. S. law, a dead person is no longer subject to arrest, trial, conviction and penalty.

    You were not aware of this, Kojax. What were you saying about not reading the Bible?
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    So it's all ex-post-facto legislation? God says "and by the way, you already violated all my rules before I even told them to you"?
    None of this is 'ex-post-facto'. Almighty God has dealt with humans since then were first humans; that was long before the Bible, the Talmud, or even the Enuma Elish was written. God personally explained the rules to humanity from the beginning. And from just after the beginning, man has rejected God's rules; that whole 'snake, apple and woman' thing. In Christian circles the jargon word is "The Fall".
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    How do you accept a sovereign and then make no meaningful attempt whatsoever to follow that sovereign's rules? How does that count as "accepting their sovereignty and lordship"?
    The only rule that applies to a rebellious human - as was I, along with all the rest of humanity - is to accept Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord. That's it. That's all the 'rules'.

    I know. Too simple. 'What about - this?' and 'What about - that?'

    Sorry, Kojax. Until you obey the one single 'rule', you don't get any more answers from God. I could tell you what happened in my life, but it would be like describing eating chocolate.

    I have answered the basic question of the thread; the basic tenets of Christianity. If you do not agree with them, Kojax, that is your choice. However, do not justify your choice by claiming you don't understand. Should you wish to discuss this further, I am at your service. I must caution you I do not tolerate fools well. If you seek to play silly games about the meaning of Christianity, I will denounce you as such and leave you to your silliness.
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    by best guess at this point is:

    There is an Adam inside all of us. We are all sons of Adam
    Adam represents the stage where we develop language and reason

    If there as a noah inside you then you are a son of Noah (noahide)
    Noah represents the stage where we develop an understanding of right and wrong (clean & unclean)

    If there is an abraham inside you then you are a son of Abraham (theist)
    Abraham represents the stage where we develop faith in God (love of God)
    at this stage we obey the letter of the law


    If there is a Moses inside you then you are a son of Moses (judges)
    Moses represents the stage where we develop the ability to judge for ourselves how to obey the law
    but cannot create new laws

    If there is a David inside you then you are a son of David (king)
    David represents the stage where we develop the ability to create new laws

    If there is a Nebuchadnezzar inside you then you are a son of Nebuchadnezzar (king of kings)
    Nebuchadnezzar represents the stage where we develop teh ability to enforce laws even on others.

    If there is a Logos inside you then you are a son of Christ (christian)
    Jesus represents the stage where we develop love for our enemies
    and in loving those who refuse to accept the law we overcome them.
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    The definition of Christianity is one who believes in the Christ. I say The Christ because Christ is not a name but a title, in the Greek it means 'anointed'. We need to first seperate the old testament from the new. The old testament contained many laws rules and teachings that no longer apply.
    "'The day will come,' says the Lord, 'when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah. . . . But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel on that day,' says the Lord. 'I will put my law in their minds, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people'" (Jeremiah 31:31, 33).
    Jesus Christ came to fulfill the law of Moses (Matthew 5:17) and create a new covenant between God and His people. The old covenant was written in stone, but the new covenant is written on our hearts, made possible only by The Christ, who shed His own blood to atone for the sins of the world. Luke 22:20 says, "After supper, [Jesus] took another cup of wine and said, 'This wine is the token of God's new covenant to save you – an agreement sealed with the blood I will pour out for you.'"
    As for all the crap that poured forth from Paul well... There is one in every crowd...
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