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  1. #1 just how many of you on here are religeous? 
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    Im not here to bag on anyone who pipes up as religeous and I would hope others will follow suit. Im just curious about how many, if any, religeous people there are among the scientifically minded here on the forum. I myself have only ever met one person who was open minded and well informed on the nature of the universe etc, but still chose to hold faith over observation. For that I respect him.

    Btw, im defining "religeous" as any belief you have that is supported by your faith alone rather than knowledge or proof that it is true. You dont neccisarily have to believe in a god.


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    I practice Buddhism, so may be religious, but by your definition i am not. I don't accept things on faith alone, and those aspects of Buddhism which are unprovable or unproven i do not accept. This was encouraged by the Buddha in the Kalama sutra - an excerpt of which can be found in someone's sig. Maybe Prasit's?

    Whether that means i'm a Buddhist at all is another question, and one for which i do not care.


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    Science is rife with concepts that, while empirically accurate, seem on the surface to be common sensically absurd.
    Therefore the study of science requires the ability to entertain notions that violate heuristics and bias, but this is only temporary till one understands the chain of logic involved.
    So I am going to say that it is okay to temporarily accept things on faith, but not to maintain an idea on faith alone.
    Sometimes a person has no choice but to make a best guess and run with it.
    I do prefer to attempt to maintain the personal understanding that indeed, it is still just a guess.
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    I'm an atheist. I have no religious beliefs whatsoever.
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    I am religious, a follower of Christ. A student of Biblical symbolism and its application to one's individual life. I do not accept much and most of the literal evangelical orthodoxies found in Christianity.
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    Methinks there be not impossibilities enough in Religion for an active faith (Sir Thomas Browne)
    Unbelievers are your inveterate enemies. Infidels fight for the devil. (Koran)
    Atheists on the other hand fight for the truth. If they are wrong they have to accept they are wrong. This does not appear to apply to theists. They can't be wrong, because whatever is found in their holy scripture must be true. If awkward questions are asked then religion becomes a matter of faith alone.
    Religion cannot exist at all without a bit of magic. Good spirits, evil spirits, conjuring tricks, magicians (ie priests). And it can't seem to exist without a bit of desert either.
    Get rid of the hate, the religious apartheid (especially in schools), the bogus representatives of 'God', the churches, mosques, temples, the denial of science, the fables, the miracles, the misogyny, the sin, the karma, the martyrs, the cults...
    and the unhappy history of man will start to end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox
    Atheists on the other hand fight for the truth. If they are wrong they have to accept they are wrong.
    This is false. Atheists are no different from theists in this regard. There are a great many atheists out there who believe in ridiculous nonsense. In much the same way, a great many theists out there also fight for truth and accept when they are wrong. It's just that their conclusions in the search for truth (when grounded in their religion) often lack evidence or support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inow
    a great many theists out there also fight for truth and accept when they are wrong. It's just that their conclusions in the search for truth (when grounded in their religion) often lack evidence or support.
    Only within their own faith system do they fight for the truth. This will inevitably fail because not only do they have to cherry-pick their holy scripture to find some quantum of truth, but then when even this is discredited they move on to another passage to support some notion which survives in the public domain as a sort of truth, until even that is past its credibility date. As evidence consider the way the Church interpreted the Bible in the 19th Century as compared to the 20th.
    A Christian does not fight for truth in Hinduism. That would never do. An Anglican vicar even banned yoga in his church hall for fear of the influence of Hinduism. Another was defrocked because he didn't even believe in God (got to admire him there).
    One thing you are never taught in school is the bloody history of your religion. I don't recall being taught as an Anglican about the way Catholics were hunted down and murdered in Reformation England.
    Not so long ago, Christianity preached hatred, like Islam does today. Then it changed into a doctrine of love when it realised safer ground.
    While I admit that some Christians advance a little bit when it comes to scientific truth. I think you could say that Muslims go backwards. Large numbers of them still believe that the earth is flat and geocentric, and this belief is even hardening.
    The Catholic Encylopedia (has there ever been published as much nonsense as this to be read by well-intentioned people, other than perhaps the Catechism itself?) regards evolution by natural selection as contrary to divine revelation.
    That in itself deceives about 1 billion of the Earth's population. Over the centuries billions of ordinary people have been led by the nose by sanctified knaves into believing that salvation can be procured by submission to the faith, while unbelievers await their fate in the fires of hell.
    Holy books are always written by people unknown, and many of these almost certainly suffered from a medical condition which was untreatable then, but which is identifiable today. That is the main reason why there could never be a new religion.
    If your friend says 'let us go and serve other gods...you must kill him...you must stone him to death (Deuteronomy 13:7-11).
    When you encounter the Infidels, strike off their heads until you have made a grand slaughter of them (Koran)
    If these chunks of enlightened scripture are false, then why should any other of it be true?
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    I was raised in a vague pseudo-Anglican home by a religious mother who never had much time for church but made sure we knew our Bible. I've been an atheist since high school though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox
    While I admit that some Christians advance a little bit when it comes to scientific truth. I think you could say that Muslims go backwards. Large numbers of them still believe that the earth is flat and geocentric, and this belief is even hardening.

    The Catholic Encylopedia (has there ever been published as much nonsense as this to be read by well-intentioned people, other than perhaps the Catechism itself?) regards evolution by natural selection as contrary to divine revelation.

    That in itself deceives about 1 billion of the Earth's population. Over the centuries billions of ordinary people have been led by the nose by sanctified knaves into believing that salvation can be procured by submission to the faith, while unbelievers await their fate in the fires of hell.
    All completely irrelevant to the point I made.


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    Holy books are always written by people unknown, and many of these almost certainly suffered from a medical condition which was untreatable then, but which is identifiable today. That is the main reason why there could never be a new religion.
    Still completely irrelevant to the point I made.


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    If your friend says 'let us go and serve other gods...you must kill him...you must stone him to death (Deuteronomy 13:7-11).
    When you encounter the Infidels, strike off their heads until you have made a grand slaughter of them (Koran)
    If these chunks of enlightened scripture are false, then why should any other of it be true?
    I wasn't arguing in favor of the truth of any religion. I was arguing against your tendency to make broad sweeping inaccurate generalizations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_feel_tiredsleepy
    I was raised in a vague pseudo-Anglican home by a religious mother who never had much time for church but made sure we knew our Bible. I've been an atheist since high school though.
    Same here. Vague christian anglican upbringing. Converted to atheist at highschool in the middle of chappel lol.

    Haha I still remember the exact epiphany that converted me. It was the realization that christianity would've just been created back in the day by whoever was in power to explain the unexplainable so that they had an answer to questions they couldn't answer.
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    lapsed catholic, but still excpected to go to church every sunday (5 more years until I'm considered a voting adult)
    In reality I follow a morphing fluid set of personal beliefs I can't put into words.
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    Vaguely Christian upbringing, turned Agnostic at around 5 or 6, became increasingly atheistic through my teens from chatting on religious forums and recieving a fairly sound education in science.
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    Judging by some of the laconic replies so far, it seems to me that like most people they don't really know why they are what they say they are.
    I'm a Christian / Buddhist / Atheist / Other (delete as necessary).
    You might as well say 'I don't really know why. I just am. I was either indoctrinated into it when I had no real mind of my own, or I read something which triggered a sympathetic reaction in my head, and I've been like it ever since' (applies to atheism too).
    'But I will either stay loyal to the clan or at least I will not deny that I am wrong. Should anyone point out that such a piece of scripture is unlikely I will immediately declare it to be allegorical. Should anyone point out that I am wasting my time in prayer and meditation I will say that person lacks any real spirituality. Should anyone point out that they are only after my money I will laughingly tell them that money can buy anything. Should anyone mention Pascal's Wager I will tell them not to leave it until too late'.
    I am a deeply religious non-believer (Einstein)
    Now wasn't that a better way of saying something than loyalty to any religious clan?
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    i soppose you would say i am religious as i believe in god/s.
    i am definitly spiritual though.
    (and sientific. despite what some say, i think that people can be religious and still be succesful in sience.)
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    I am Roman Catholic. I believe in the teachings of Jesus.
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    I used to be Christian, but I have no belief in deities any more. In fact, the definition of what constitutes a deity is not by any means well defined. As for the definitions provided by most of the large religions, I do to believe in any of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by somfooleishfool
    defining "religeous" as any belief you have that is supported by your faith alone rather than knowledge or proof that it is true.
    In that case I'm a religious atheist. I've decided any evidence for gods, empirical or logical, is most probably a product of hallucination or wishful thinking... and I expect myself susceptible to both. Therefore I made up my mind, as an act of faith.

    I was raised atheist in a basically atheist environment. A few kids at school would make religious references or arguments, but in Canada we are taught to appreciate the different and give slack to the mentally disabled. Later I discovered religious beliefs are still common in the larger world, so I discovered I'm an atheist.

    I differ from many outspoken atheists in that I don't attribute my atheism to any critical thinking on my part. Moreover I value dumb faith as the smartest answer to some of life's questions.
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    Are you a Catholic atheist or a Protestant atheist, or what other type of atheist?
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    Fideist atheist.
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