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    Jari Iivanainen's article about NEAR-DEATH EXPERIENCES AND DAMNATION

    http://koti.phnet.fi/elohim/Border_of_death_experiences


    Most people are probably curious of what is after death, and beyond the border of death. This many be a reason why they seek knowledge from spiritism-sessions or books that ponder this issue. Many have also had personal close-to-death experiences – i.e. experiences when their heart may have stopped in the hospital or in connection with an accident and when they may have seen themselves as if from the outside; they may have seen the operations done to them or the entire operation hall. Some may have also seen in connection with their experiences, a light being that seems to be full of "love and compassion".

    The greatest conversation concerning this topic is indeed generally connected with the question, that are all the death-bordering experiences positive and will everyone end up fine beyond the border in spite of the way they have lived on earth? Many researchers want to believe this but is it true? We are going to look at this matter in the following lines. Several observations and examples seem to indicate that not everyone will necessarily end up well.


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    the thing after death is so simple and boring people refuse to acknoledge it. NOTHING


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    Quote Originally Posted by PetriFB
    Most people are probably curious of what is after death,
    some very delusional people may be curious, but as there has never and I repeat never, been any body come back, to tell us whether there is anything after. your statement is total moot.
    "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense - Buddha"
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    Quote Originally Posted by geezer
    Quote Originally Posted by PetriFB
    Most people are probably curious of what is after death,
    some very delusional people may be curious, but as there has never and I repeat never, been any body come back, to tell us whether there is anything after. your statement is total moot.
    Bible tells what happens to people after they die ...........
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    Yes. That's an empirical source of information.
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    Anyone interested in NDE would benefit in researching medical papers on the topic rather than testimonial websites. There's some good literature out there relating euphoric experiences to the loss and re-gaining of consciousness and/or the release of endorphins. Especially relating to fighter pilots and high G-force situations or traumatic injury. Simulated G-force experiments involving subjects that lose consciousness often report similar experiences to those of NDE. I think there's some other information about intense magnetic fields but I haven't read anything in depth so it may not be relevant.
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    bible tells alot of thing. little is reality
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    bible tells alot of thing. little is reality
    Read Matt 24 and comment again .......lol .........
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    There's nothing in Matthew 24 or elsewhere in Matthew (or any of the Gospels) that relates to anything that can be construed as reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkinWalker
    There's nothing in Matthew 24 or elsewhere in Matthew (or any of the Gospels) that relates to anything that can be construed as reality.
    http://www.blueletterbible.org/Mat/Mat024.html

    Do you know what fig tree present in the Bible?
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    for god sake cant people stop telling from a old book by humans that have absolutly nothing to do with the reality? a few things is good but most is like the TV serie BULLSHIT
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    Why is it that we can accept the notion of multi dimensions, yet rubbish the thought of another existence :? aka dimension, just a thought.
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    for god sake cant people stop telling from a old book by humans that have absolutly nothing to do with the reality?

    In a few 100 years the science books you read will be nothing but old books by humans. And in their (these old books you speak of) time they had everything to do with reality.

    Isn't it ironic that you say "for god sake".
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    not really. i could use other words but they would result in ban or something simular.
    its different between a 100 yaer old book and a 2000 year old book, a 100 year old book can have to do with realy wiuthn the limited knowledge of that time, while 2000 years it have nothing to do becase they knew nothing back then
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    Maybe we know nothing now. Also, a 2,000 year old book has more time to be improved apon.

    I don't mean to take this off topic. I am just trying to say that... well.... you just never know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaBOB
    Maybe we know nothing now. Also, a 2,000 year old book has more time to be improved apon.
    or altered to it's detriment, "you never know"
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    I don't mean to take this off topic. I am just trying to say that... well.... you just never know.
    so with your logic aesops fables or a thousand and one nights could be the real bible, as the contain much much more morality, and are just as old.
    "you never know".
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    yes, but bible havent been changed exept by human errors and language for this 2000 years
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    Fighter pilot's vision goes black and white and experience tunnel vision (their visual range shrinks in a center circle). I think NDE has more to do with brain counsciousness than death per say.

    I'm not sure but I have a feeling many NDE occur in or eventually end up on operating tables. My firend was operated on and when he regained counsiousness, he saw a scary doctor half-way imbeded in the wall and that wanted to hurt him , a very disturbing experience, which turned out to be a lab coat hanging on a peg on the wall and the effect of the drugs(pain killers) on his perception. :wink:

    If humans go somewhere after death where do chimps go, they have about 95% of our genetic makeup, they are very similar in many ways, do they go to chimp heaven or do they reincarnate in Michael Jacksons pet zoo?
    Small increments in genetic changes can lead you from humans to one organism to another until you end up with bacterias. Where do batcerias go in the afterlife when you wipe a countertop with Mr.Clean?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    not really. i could use other words but they would result in ban or something simular.
    its different between a 100 yaer old book and a 2000 year old book, a 100 year old book can have to do with realy wiuthn the limited knowledge of that time, while 2000 years it have nothing to do becase they knew nothing back then
    Perhaps our future generations will say the same about us
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    Quote Originally Posted by geezer
    Quote Originally Posted by DaBOB
    I don't mean to take this off topic. I am just trying to say that... well.... you just never know.
    so with your logic aesops fables or a thousand and one nights could be the real bible, as the contain much much more morality, and are just as old.
    "you never know".
    First of all my logic requires common sense.

    I don't know what "aesops fables or a thousand and one nights" is but, seeing as how they are not called the "Bible" and aren't used for worship (as far as I know), I highly dought they are the "real Bible".

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    its mroe like 98,5% alike
    does that mean 98,5% of all chimps go to the after life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaBOB
    First of all my logic requires common sense.
    if you have a believe in a god, then I very much doubt that.
    Quote Originally Posted by DaBOB
    I don't know what "aesops fables or a thousand and one nights" is but, seeing as how they are not called the "Bible" and aren't used for worship (as far as I know), I highly dought they are the "real Bible".
    the word bible literally means, book.

    Bible: (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bible)

    [Middle English, from Old French, from Late Latin biblia, from Greek, pl. of biblion, book diminutive of biblos, papyrus, book, from Bublos Byblos.]

    often bible: A book considered authoritative in its field: the bible of French cooking.

    and as aesops fables and a thousand and one nights contain more morality then the book/bible, and as they are a book/bible they could quite easily be the main book/bible, the quran is the muslim book/bible the torah is the jewish book/bible. etc etc.

    have you been on a desert island, how is it possible you've never heard of aesops fables or a thousand and one nights.
    heres a couple of links.
    http://www.pacificnet.net/~johnr/aesop/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boo...and_One_Nights
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    Don't worry, I have looked them up and yes I have heard a few of those.

    And let me say that we are talking about the "Holy Bible" which is in fact a title. A title with a meaning that you understand and if you claim that you don't than I suggest you stop responding untill you do understand.

    I am sure all these books you mention from other cultures also have passages realating to the "afterlife" or death.
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    did homo sapiens cro-magnon go to heaven or what ever after life is?
    did neanderthal do is aswell? how far back in the evolutionary chain did it exist a after life? and why would it just apphere of a sudden in the evolution for one species?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaBOB
    And let me say that we are talking about the "Holy Bible"[
    oh yes the holy book, is not the Quran a holy book to the muslim, is not the Torah a holy book to the jew, whats your point there all books are they not.
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    which is in fact a title. A title with a meaning that you understand
    exactly holy book, just what I've been saying, a book.
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    I am sure all these books you mention from other cultures also have passages realating to the "afterlife" or death.
    some holy books do, some dont, but fables are most morality tales.
    which is what supposedly the holy book/bible is full of! and there is certainly a lot of death in the holy book/bible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geezer
    Quote Originally Posted by DaBOB
    And let me say that we are talking about the "Holy Bible"[
    oh yes the holy book, is not the Quran a holy book to the muslim, is not the Torah a holy book to the jew, whats your point there all books are they not.
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    which is in fact a title. A title with a meaning that you understand
    exactly holy book, just what I've been saying, a book.
    OK. I know that you understand what I am trying to say but, to humor you, I will explain once more. The "Holy Bible" is a title. A title for a book. This particular title has a meaning that is different from the titles of other holy books. If you really can't understand this than I am sorry but, I can't explain it any better. Maybe you should ask someone else.
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    oh what like "cook book" is the title of a cook book and "geography book" is the title of a geography book, so what I gather is its a reference title, not the actual title given by the author, it's a compendium of stories, so did all the authors decide what to call it.
    who gives a f**k whether you consider the words holy bible as a title, is it not a book, book means bible and vice verser.
    call it what you like it still remains a book. does it not.
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    can someone tell me, did the previus humans go to heaven? cro-magnon and all of them, if not when did heaven become open to humanity
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    Quote Originally Posted by geezer
    oh what like "cook book" is the title of a cook book and "geography book" is the title of a geography book, so what I gather is its a reference title, not the actual title given by the author, it's a compendium of stories, so did all the authors decide what to call it.
    who gives a f**k whether you consider the words holy bible as a title, is it not a book, book means bible and vice verser.
    call it what you like it still remains a book. does it not.
    You just won't give up will you. Well I'm not going to argue deffenitions with you if that is what you want. If all you want is for me to say that the Bible is a book then yes, I agree it is a book. I am not sure that I see how this has any relevance to anything though.

    Why so persistant anyways? I mean it's not like I'm on trial here. Why are you try to twist my meanings? I guess I should get used to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    can someone tell me, did the previus humans go to heaven? cro-magnon and all of them, if not when did heaven become open to humanity
    I am not sure who you are expecting to get an answer from but, I can tell you that I don't have one.
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